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Where would Matt Schaub be without kubiak

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GlenRice

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Why do you think leinart came here knowing he would have no chance to start.
Without kubiak schaub would be an average qb. Thoughts.
 
Schaub is not a superbowl quarterback. Plain and simple. Trade him for another first round draft pick and move Leinart to starting QB.
 
Matt Schaub would be a good QB regardless of HC. Kubiak has always had the luxery of having good QB's. Do you really think he coached up Elway? Jake the Fake had a couple of good seasons under Kubiak, but he'd had some of those at Arizona.
 
Wolf said:
I don't know.. he could be where Matt Ryan is right now
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Funny thing is, the Falcons let Schaub go at a time when they still thought Mike Vick was their future. And when the Vick incident hit, the general thought was, "I'll bet the Falcons wished they still had Schaub now"...

But looking back now, if the Falcons still had Schaub and didn't trade him away, they probably don't draft Matt Ryan. So I suspect they're quite glad they did it...
 
Rey said:
No...He's not....

Well, not IMO....
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If not Top 10, then Top 12.

In no order;

Brady, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Vick (assuming we're talking right-now, right now), Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, Schaub.

Unless I'm forgetting a dude or two.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If not Top 10, then Top 12.

In no order;

Brady, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Vick (assuming we're talking right-now, right now), Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, Schaub.

Unless I'm forgetting a dude or two.
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That seems about right, although I wouldn't put Flacco up there at this point.

My opinionated rankings:

1. Brady
2. Brees
3. (Peyton) Manning
4. Rothlisberger
5. Rivers
6. Rodgers
7. Vick
8. Ryan
9. Schaub
10. Gets a bit fuzzy here, but I'd have to go with Jay Cutler... :bender:
 
Wolf said:
i'd like to see our offense against our defense in a game day situation

I bet AJ would break all kinds of NFL records going up against our secondary
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Tebow's last drive = rushing TD

Schaub's last drive = pick:kubepalm:
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If not Top 10, then Top 12.

In no order;

Brady, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Vick (assuming we're talking right-now, right now), Rodgers, Flacco, Ryan, Schaub.

Unless I'm forgetting a dude or two.
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I'd take Bradford, Cutler and Romo over Schaub in this system...

Note, I said in this system...

I'd actually take Bradford over him str8 up in any system...
 
Cutler has to get over his fantasy of being Brett Favre before he cracks my top 10. Schaub is a very good QB.
 
no need to get upset:wadepalm:


bronco's have an equally atrocious D and Schaub only led us to 6 meesly points in the 2H. Tebow outplayed him in that game.

As an overall QB, Schaub is much better no doubt. :kubepalm:
 
I'm happy with Schaub. My concern after his first year here was durability, but he's laid that to rest.
 
Mixgosu said:
Schaub is not a superbowl quarterback. Plain and simple. Trade him for another first round draft pick and move Leinart to starting QB.
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This may be the dumbest thing Ive heard. Yes, he is not a superbowl QB, only because we havent been good enough to make it to one. He has put up the 6th most passing yards in a season in the history of the NFL, not to mention led the league last year.

He is in the top 5 of the NFL this year in passing yards if I remember correctly.

Getting rid of Schaub and giving the starting job to Leinart may be the most unacceptable thing Ive heard.........other than the whole Kubiak staying thing.

That soft throwing lefty is a backup for a reason, its not like teams were lining up to give him the starting job. He had one of the best WR tandems in the NFL with Boldin/Fitz and he still couldnt get it done.

This message board would self-destruct if they took your advice on this.

:kubepalm:
 
ziggy29 said:
Funny thing is, the Falcons let Schaub go at a time when they still thought Mike Vick was their future. And when the Vick incident hit, the general thought was, "I'll bet the Falcons wished they still had Schaub now"...

But looking back now, if the Falcons still had Schaub and didn't trade him away, they probably don't draft Matt Ryan. So I suspect they're quite glad they did it...
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I think Schaub could do what Ryan is doing in ATL right now. You surround Schaub with a great RB, league leading WR, helluva TE, a decent defense, and a good head coach and he can get it done.

Looks like we have 3 out of 5.
 
Rey said:
No...He's not.... (a top 10 QB)
Well, not IMO....
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All of these stats are prior to the JAX game:

3rd in completions
10th in completion %
4th in total pass yds
9th in yards/attempt
8th (tied) in TD passes
5th in yards/game

The only meaningful category that he wasnt in the top 10 was QB rating. He is 14th with a 90.4. #10 was Drew Brees at 92.2. Out of those top 13 above him, one was Romo who only played a half season.

If the above doesnt show that hes a top 10 QB, not sure what you're looking for. You can argue all day about the intangibles but those are merely opinions. Stats are what counts in this arguement.
 
John McClain McClain_on_NFL

Matt Schaub just became the 5th QB to throw for more than 9,000 yards over 2 seasons. 6 minutes ago via web



is that just for these past two seasons, or is that all-time?
 
TheMatrix31 said:
John McClain McClain_on_NFL

Matt Schaub just became the 5th QB to throw for more than 9,000 yards over 2 seasons. 6 minutes ago via web



is that just for these past two seasons, or is that all-time?
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Im willing to bet all time, but according to Rey, thats not top 10 material.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
John McClain McClain_on_NFL

Matt Schaub just became the 5th QB to throw for more than 9,000 yards over 2 seasons. 6 minutes ago via web



is that just for these past two seasons, or is that all-time?
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hehe somebody's been caught with their hands in the clever jar! :fingergun:
 
Schaub's QB rating up to 9 per http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player?stat=passing&sort=quarterbackRating&year=2010&seasontype=2

Here's another interesting http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5972554ranking starting NFL QBs

12. Matt Schaub, Houston Texans

Analysis: Schaub established himself as a 4,000-yard thrower the past two years. Too bad he didn't get a chance to play his own defense each week. He would have been a 5,000-yard passer against the porous Texans.
Arrow is pointing: Up
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Thoughts?
 
Matt shaub would be a backup if it were not for Gary Kubiaks system please give me a break. Shaub hasn't shown me anything in clutch situations that proves he is a top 10 QB in the past 4 seasons. Sure you stat freaks will hang your hat on the stats but the top Qb's uplift there teams and win close games all shaub does is throw pics during key situations all the time that cost us games. Look Rex Grossman was lighting it up in the same offense in washington that he learned while he was in houston and he is straight up garbage at QB. So until Shaub start to win the games that he should win in close situations instead of throwing pics he is not in my top 10 QB's maybe Top 15 but he isn't a top QB yet. Josh freeman in Tampa has done more with less weapons now go figure that one and they were 10-6 with no dominant player on defense while we have Mario, Demeco, B. Cushing etc. now name me one guy off of Tampa's D you can't so that means the QB put the team on his back.
 
interesting point. I don't think Schaub is a legit QB. He's def. in the top 10 but I don't even see him being that franchise QB. Would love to trade Schaub for 1st rounder.
 
PHAROAH said:
Matt shaub would be a backup if it were not for Gary Kubiaks system please give me a break. Shaub hasn't shown me anything in clutch situations that proves he is a top 10 QB in the past 4 seasons. Sure you stat freaks will hang your hat on the stats but the top Qb's uplift there teams and win close games all shaub does is throw pics during key situations all the time that cost us games. Look Rex Grossman was lighting it up in the same offense in washington that he learned while he was in houston and he is straight up garbage at QB. So until Shaub start to win the games that he should win in close situations instead of throwing pics he is not in my top 10 QB's maybe Top 15 but he isn't a top QB yet. Josh freeman in Tampa has done more with less weapons now go figure that one and they were 10-6 with no dominant player on defense while we have Mario, Demeco, B. Cushing etc. now name me one guy off of Tampa's D you can't so that means the QB put the team on his back.
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You know schaub has thrown several game winning/tying TDs only to watch his defense give up a go ahead/game winning TD/FG in an impossible manner. He's also lead the team down to the 1 yard line with and been K(ch)ris Browned several times and I think you're exactly right. This guy is not the guy to lead this team. We need a guy with the kind of arm that can run a 14 second offense. You know so he can throw the game winning TD after the defense gives up the TD after the fist game winning TD.

Is clark's alter ego in the draft?

To say all he does is throw pics in key situations? That's kind of a stretch. He certainly did ruin the Balt game. Of course it would have been better to take a sack or an intentional grounding call in that situation. At least that way we'd have only lost by 2.


Mike
 
texas838 said:
interesting point. I don't think Schaub is a legit QB. He's def. in the top 10 but I don't even see him being that franchise QB. Would love to trade Schaub for 1st rounder.
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...there is so much ignorance on this board.

You admit that you think Schaub is top 10, yet you think that doesn't make him a franchise QB. Not ONLY that, you would "love" to trade him for a first round pick?! Who would be our QB then? The first round pick?! You're aware that there are NO GUARANTEES in the draft, right? In fact, with the Texans drafting, the closest thing to a guarantee that you can get is that the Texans will draft the next David Carr (who, coincidentally, was a first round draft pick).

On another note, for all the people complaining that Schaub throws picks in when the game is on the line: he wouldn't be throwing them if he didn't have to lead the Texans on a game-winning drive EVERY. SINGLE. WEEK. Maybe if the defense showed up once or twice, Schaub would be able to hand it off to our monster RB in the fourth quarter after running up the score to a comfortable lead (with the defense we had this year, no lead is comfortable).
 
texas838 said:
interesting point. I don't think Schaub is a legit QB. He's def. in the top 10 but I don't even see him being that franchise QB. Would love to trade Schaub for 1st rounder.
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How can you say Schaub is not a legit QB, but that he is definitly in the top 10???
 
PHAROAH said:
Matt shaub would be a backup if it were not for Gary Kubiaks system please give me a break.
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It's a good thing you made a really dumb statement at the beginning of your post rather than the end. I'm sure the rest of your rant is just as quality as this post (btw there were lots of teams that wanted Schaub as their QB in 2007, so your little theory about him being a backup is fail).
 
Mixgosu said:
Schaub is not a superbowl quarterback. Plain and simple. Trade him for another first round draft pick and move Leinart to starting QB.
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Matt Leinart?!?! The same Matt Leinart that couldn't beat out Derek Anderson, John Skelton, OR Max Hall? THAT Matt Leinart?

sheesh

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