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Would you trade...

Trade Schaub plus first round pick for first overall pick?

  • No way. Schaub is our guy!

    Votes: 52 67.5%

  • Yes, and I would pick Andrew Luck!

    Votes: 23 29.9%

  • Yes, and I would pick another player (specify below)

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Total voters
    77
RagingBull

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Matt Schaub plus our first round draft pick for the first overall pick to get Andrew Luck?

Makes sense for Carolina as they just spent a second on Claussen last year and he is not ready yet. They would get a proven NFL quaterback. We would get a guy that may turn out to be the next John Elway.
 
Because he might not be the next John Elway, they need more players, and they would still get a top 10 pick in addition to Schaub.
 
RagingBull said:
Because he might not be the next John Elway, they need more players, and they would still get a top 10 pick in addition to Schaub.
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Well, if he's not the next John Elway, then why would we want him? :stirpot:

I thought we just proved that Tim Tebow is the next John Elway. :)
 
Would Luck be able to put up 30+ points a game? How about trading Schaub for a NFL caliber defense?
 
Getting the #1 overall pick is not a quick fix for this franchise. Schaub's mistakes are magnified because he is the QB. However, Schaub is NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM on this team. Let's fix the most glaring problems first... Culture, defense, scouting department, coaching staff before selling the farm to draft what could be the next (HWNBNOTB or John Elway) rookie QB. :kubepalm:
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Getting the #1 overall pick is not a quick fix for this franchise. Schaub's mistakes are magnified because he is the QB. However, Schaub is NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM on this team. Let's fix the most glaring problems first... Culture, defense, scouting department, coaching staff before selling the farm to draft what could be the next (HWNBNOTB or John Elway) rookie QB. :kubepalm:
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Spot on.

I'm betting Luck stays for his last year anyway. We get a new coach, new attitude, bring in some D vets FAs, and address the defense bigtime. Our O can manage to win games as it stands, if our D could just compete. Schaub is not our issue and certainly not worth addressing.
 
hookinreds said:
Spot on.

I'm betting Luck stays for his last year anyway. We get a new coach, new attitude, bring in some D vets FAs, and address the defense bigtime. Our O can manage to win games as it stands, if our D could just compete. Schaub is not our issue and certainly not worth addressing.
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Luck might be different, but considering the CBA situation I'd think most under-classmen would want to come out. Odds are, the 2011 draft will likely be the last without a rookie salary cap.
 
I'm not voting in that poll because I didn't see my choice there. If I had it would have read something like "No, because that's not good value for Schaub plus our #1"

Look, Schaub has issues but he can be an effective starting QB for probably a majority of the teams in the league (including us if we'd start putting him better positions and stop asking him to do things he's not particularly good at doing). I'm not giving him plus our 1 for the top overall pick. We'd be getting fleeced in that deal.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Getting the #1 overall pick is not a quick fix for this franchise. Schaub's mistakes are magnified because he is the QB. However, Schaub is NOT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM on this team. Let's fix the most glaring problems first... Culture, defense, scouting department, coaching staff before selling the farm to draft what could be the next (HWNBNOTB or John Elway) rookie QB. :kubepalm:
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Exactly what I was thinking. Yes, Schaub has a medicore arm, but I think a lot of his issues this year are because he is always under max pressure from his own defense.

I think we can win with Schaub. I don't think he is elite, but with a good group of guys around him on offense and a much improved defense I think he is good enough.

Now, would I like to see some real competition for his spot? You bet. That's one of the issues on this team - too many players feel safe. We need to ratchet up the competition at all spots on the team. Nobody other than Andre Johnson should feel his spot is totally secure in 2011.
 
in a heart beat.

would also be aggressive in pursuit of Andrew Lucks HC Jim Harbaugh.

kill two birds with one stone :)
 
Schaub is a decent top 10-15 QB. Andrew Luck could turn out to be unbelievable though. We have stunk for so long, I would be interested in at least considering the trade.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm not voting in that poll because I didn't see my choice there. If I had it would have read something like "No, because that's not good value for Schaub plus our #1"

Look, Schaub has issues but he can be an effective starting QB for probably a majority of the teams in the league (including us if we'd start putting him better positions and stop asking him to do things he's not particularly good at doing). I'm not giving him plus our 1 for the top overall pick. We'd be getting fleeced in that deal.
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What HE said.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Luck might be different, but considering the CBA situation I'd think most under-classmen would want to come out. Odds are, the 2011 draft will likely be the last without a rookie salary cap.
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Your right, I keep forgetting about this being the last uncapped rookie salary year.
 
nut said:
Schaub is a decent top 10-15 QB. Andrew Luck could turn out to be unbelievable though. We have stunk for so long, I would be interested in at least considering the trade.
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Right...Schaub isn't a "put the team on my shoulders and I'll drive it 90 for the win" quarterback, but if you give him the case of characters to work with, he becomes above average in my eyes.
 
Next year you'll have Tate back to pair with Foster . Schaub and Johnson have good chemistry . They need some beef in the interior of the OL and focus on the D .
 
Anybody for the right deal is trade bait. But for me, in order to trade a proven NFL QB, I'd want a lot more than just swapping 1st round picks for a QB that MIGHT, repeat MIGHT, be a good NFL QB.

As everyone keeps saying, and I also believe it, Schaub is not the problem. It's coaching.
 
I think Schaub is our guy for the next two or three years as long as he's putting up numbers. In fact, I would do the opposite in a trade with our first rounder. I would trade out of the first round to pick up more picks. Our team has never done anything with it outside of Andre Johnson so why not pick up more picks.

Then you draft a QB late to groom.
 
hookinreds said:
Right...Schaub isn't a "put the team on my shoulders and I'll drive it 90 for the win" quarterback, but if you give him the case of characters to work with, he becomes above average in my eyes.
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ya...apart from the times when he has actually done that-(spitballing off the top of my head) v miami x2 the last few yrs, v the ravens (albeit to tie not win), v GB, v the redskins, v the chiefs, v pats, v titans
 
Right...Schaub isn't a "put the team on my shoulders and I'll drive it 90 for the win" quarterback, but if you give him the case of characters to work with, he becomes above average in my eyes.
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Maddict5 said:
ya...apart from the times when he has actually done that-(spitballing off the top of my head) v miami x2 the last few yrs, v the ravens (albeit to tie not win), v GB, v the redskins, v the chiefs, v pats, v titans
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No kidding. I saw that post and was like "Where have you been all season?".

:wadepalm: Because the original post was not worthy of a Kubiak facepalm
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Next year you'll have Tate back to pair with Foster . Schaub and Johnson have good chemistry . They need some beef in the interior of the OL and focus on the D .
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Would you be willing to trade Foster for the Packers or Pats 1st rd pick?

Ward has looked pretty good and a RB corps of Ward/Tate/Late rd pick doesn't look to bad.

That pick could be used to help improve the defense.

Foster's going to get paid this offseason.
 
I say no on trading Foster. I would trade Tate for another pick or player though. I am not sure about the Schaub deal. I like him a lot and think we can win with him but he is not special. I was just curious what the overall board opinion was since I keep seeing so many posts lumping Schaub in with Kubiak as part of the problem. Obviously there is not going to be anyone available by free agency that most people would rather have. Therefore, the only logical move if we are going to get rid of Schaub would be to draft a new quarterback, and Luck is the obvious favorite.
 
Uhh naw the #1 pick is to risky these days most teams dont want that pick so i say no
 
Matt Shaub has great stats based on the west coast offense that he plays in and he is throwing to the Top WR in the NFL so throw out the stats in this case. Matt Shaub is not a leader and he consistantly throw int's in key situations and never win big games so yes I would consider a trade up to get the top QB in the draft but is that likely no it isn't as the front office is sold on him as the franchise QB. How about drafting another WR opposite Andre Johnson who can help out the offense and spending the rest on the defense and in free agency get some DB's who can play. I would love to see the Texans draft WR- AJ Green since we will be drafting in the top 10.
 
PHAROAH said:
Matt Shaub has great stats based on the west coast offense that he plays in and he is throwing to the Top WR in the NFL so throw out the stats in this case.
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Except that he had almost 5k passing yards last year and has over 4k this year. That is not a "system" stat.

Matt Shaub is not a leader and he consistantly throw int's in key situations and never win big games
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You realize that he can't stop the other team from scoring, right? He hasn't played in any big games thanks to the defense. I can think of two key INTs that he's thrown, maybe 3... care to point to any more? I bet that he has led us to more comebacks, only to watch the defense give them away, than he's thrown key ints.

so yes I would consider a trade up to get the top QB in the draft but is that likely no it isn't as the front office is sold on him as the franchise QB. How about drafting another WR opposite Andre Johnson who can help out the offense and spending the rest on the defense and in free agency get some DB's who can play. I would love to see the Texans draft WR- AJ Green since we will be drafting in the top 10.
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Why would you go after the first pick in the draft? The contract will be ridiculous and you'll have a guy who may go Alex Smith/HWWNBM on us.

Mike
 
Texanmike said:
Why would you go after the first pick in the draft? The contract will be ridiculous and you'll have a guy who may go Alex Smith/HWWNBM on us.

Mike
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because this ain't working, it's ridiculous watching Texans find new ways to lose games they should win.

we need a change of Luck
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Do you people who are screaming to get rid of Schaub realize HE would be one of the reasons for Cowher coming here?

3 things that Cowher wants in a franchise to return:

1) Stable family ownership
2) Full control over decisions
3) An established starting QB

The ones who are screaming for Schaubs head I hope are not also clamoring for Cowher because you just keep contradicting yourself.

IMO, Scahub is fine. He has shown a lot of guts and leadership this year but is restrained by Kubiaks control. He proved himself to me in the 2nd half of that Ravens game. He was calling the shots on offense and he wore down and shredded one of the best defenses in the league. As soon as OT started Kubiak called the shots and we all saw the results.
 
Not just no, but hell no. Schaub should be the least of our worries right about now. His mistakes get drawn out more and more because our defense constantly puts him in a hole that he usually claws his way out of.

He has a great thing going with Andre and the other guys, and you want to completely try to re-establish that with a new and unproven qb?

Thanks but no thanks. In fact this deserves a :kubepalm:
 
DX-TEX said:
Do you people who are screaming to get rid of Schaub realize HE would be one of the reasons for Cowher coming here?

3 things that Cowher wants in a franchise to return:

1) Stable family ownership
2) Full control over decisions
3) An established starting QB

The ones who are screaming for Schaubs head I hope are not also clamoring for Cowher because you just keep contradicting yourself.
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Cowher is not the only guy. Harbaugh could come from Stanford and might want to keep his QB1.

I think there are a lot of possible solutions that could fix our probelm ranging from getting a strong D guy to take over as DC and keeping Kubiak all the way to blowing the whole thing up. One of the main reasons I started this poll was to get a better idea what the general feeling was. It looks like a slight majority are in favor of keeping the offense relatively unchanged from a personnel/scheme standpoint and getting a new HC to overhaul the D.

The reason I am curious is that from following the Broncos the past few years, most people wanted to keep their offense with Cutler/Marshall intact and get someone to fix the defense. Enter Josh McDouchey and he blew the whole thing up. I am hoping that history does not repeat itself and we have some arse-whole come in and destroy the offense when they were hired to fix the D.
 
Thorn said:
Anybody for the right deal is trade bait. But for me, in order to trade a proven NFL QB, I'd want a lot more than just swapping 1st round picks for a QB that MIGHT, repeat MIGHT, be a good NFL QB.

As everyone keeps saying, and I also believe it, Schaub is not the problem. It's coaching.
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Schaub is just below the line of elite QB's. To trade a proven starter for a non-proven college player (AND your first round pick?!?) is ridiculous. Ryan Leaf come to mind? HWWNBN? Tim Couch? JaMarcus Russell? Alex Smith?
 
Depending on where we pick. If we pick in the top 5, then no. If we are below 5, then hell yes.

I have stated my opinion on Luck in other threads, so I will just recap it here.

Pro arm- Incredible accuracy and power.

Athletic- See some of his runs, how he throws on the run

Smart- Does not throw the ball in bad places, follows the play when the ball is out of his hands.

Plus, he is a high character guy to boot. He is about as bust proof as one is likely to find in the draft.
 
This is like asking if Detroit should have traded Scott Mitchell and their #1 to draft Peyton Manning.
It's a no-brainer.
To go from an average qb to an elite qb makes all the difference.
 
Why trade up 8 spots when we can get Newton where we pick. :kitten: Id take Cam over Luck though, something in me is just screaming that Luck will be a bust. Eventhough I love schaub and he is a very good QB, hes not a franchise QB. Teams that have their best player at QB tend to be elite teams that are always in the playoffs. teams with good but not great QB's tend to need another aspect that is elite, like a DEFENSE! How 'bout Schaub to the Vikings for Allen and Kevin Williams. Take Newton where we pick and I think we improve drastically on the D-Line and have a QB that can be elite.
 
hookinreds said:
Right...Schaub isn't a "put the team on my shoulders and I'll drive it 90 for the win" quarterback, but if you give him the case of characters to work with, he becomes above average in my eyes.
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You mean he didn't go for two 90 yard drives against the Ravens to get back and tie the game on December 13th?
 
I think the 'number one overall draft choice' thing is overrated, at the moment.

It is costing a huge premium to pick a guy in the first few picks, and building up 2/3 early first round players is a real nice way to start attacking the team's salary setup.

I'll keep Schaub, draft where we are (or lower) and focus on fixing this defense early firstly, then trying to find an upgrade for our WR corps (to replace JJ) in the 3rd round or later. Oh, and perhaps a punter in the last round or an undrafted FA.
 
I'm hoping that our FO plays it like NE. Trade down in the first twice and wind up with 3 2nd round picks and 3 3rd round picks.


But no, I would not trade Schaub and a 1st for the #1 pick. Not this year.

What was Bradfords contract? You know this year it is going to be maybe 10% higher?

And we have much bigger needs than at QB.

Not to mention that we have a few players who will need new contracts this year.
 
JB said:
I'm hoping that our FO plays it like NE. Trade down in the first twice and wind up with 3 2nd round picks and 3 3rd round picks.


But no, I would not trade Schaub and a 1st for the #1 pick. Not this year.

What was Bradfords contract? You know this year it is going to be maybe 10% higher?

And we have much bigger needs than at QB.

Not to mention that we have a few players who will need new contracts this year.
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100% agreed. Would love to trade down if a ballhawk safety or a ridiculous corner is not at our spot.
 
I don't understand how anyone would really consider this. Most teams would trade thier next 2 first rounds for Schaub in my opinion. How many teams are a QB away from being really good? Carolina, Miami, Vikings, 49ers, Titans, Cowboys, Jets, and you can also make the argument for the redskins, and you can make the argument that Schaub is better than Eli Manning.
Alot of blame went on Schaub this year, but our offense looked alot different than last year. We dint get the huge plays down field like last year. I think partly because Jacoby sucked this year, Andre's injury, and maybe because of baby shannahan not being here.
Whats funny is everyone dogged him because no one thought he could stay healthy enough to play every game in a season, after 2 years of doing that, now its something else.
Shaub is not the problem. Its the mentallity of the whole team that comes down straight from the coaching staff.
 
steelbtexan said:
Would you be willing to trade Foster for the Packers or Pats 1st rd pick?

Ward has looked pretty good and a RB corps of Ward/Tate/Late rd pick doesn't look to bad.

That pick could be used to help improve the defense.

Foster's going to get paid this offseason.
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To me , Foster is an asset that would attract coaches . Schaub , Foster , and AJ is a good place to start .

Until they get a new coach and GM , I'm not sure if it matters .
 
Didn't see the price of Schaub and a 1st when I voted for the deal.

I change my vote to no way I would do this deal.
 
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