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St. Louis Rams (this week's new Texans descriptor phrase)

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Last week, I started a thread entitled "3rd & 19" that I said described the Texans. This week, the descriptor phrase is "St. Louis Rams." Not because of the similarities. But rather, because of the differences.

St. Louis Rams: An awful previous season. A rookie QB. Who is their coach again? Few playmakers on their offense AND few playmakers on their defense.

And yet there they are: Sitting at 6-6 right now.

Is this just luck? How can we rationalize that the Texans are better than the Rams, even though the Rams are clutching out their games and failing to realize how awful they are?

Can we even compare these two teams, or is this an apples-to-oranges comparison?

Interested to see the responses on the discussion about the path these two teams have taken this season.
 
HOU-TEX said:
The Rams have a defensive-minded coach.
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That's one reason. A good defense will limit the other teams' offense.

This will allow a lesser Rams offense to be required to do less, in terms of scoring points. Just convert the chances you get, when you get them.
 
They're in the NFC West, for starters.
Also, I'm pretty sure that they haven't beaten a team with a winning record yet. Their schedule looks unbelievable soft at this point.
 
Sam Bradford is a FRANCHISE QB in his rookie season.

Matt Schaub is a decent/average/ain't-gonna-get-no-better QB in
his SEVENTH season. Huge difference. The Rams are actually getting
better as time goes on. Same goes for the Jets, Falcons, Lions, Patriots,
Chiefs, Raiders, and so on... The Texans?

Standing in place, and are proud of it.
 
houstonhurricane said:
In all fairness, they "battle" San Fran, Seattle and Arizona for six of their games...
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Yeah? Well, we "battle" the mighty Colts (who aren't mighty this year) and the awesome Titans (who aren't "awesome" this year).

There's four wins for us, if we look at it that way.

The Jags are not world beaters either.
 
GP said:
That's one reason. A good defense will limit the other teams' offense.

This will allow a lesser Rams offense to be required to do less, in terms of scoring points. Just convert the chances you get, when you get them.
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Most defensive-minded coaches coach to pound the ball on offense and stop the run on defense. That's my kind of coach. Kubiak has thrown on the first possession of every game. Kubiak single-handedly lost the 2nd Colts game by forcing the pass.

Give me a coach like Spags, or at least a good coach that'll bring in a DC with a sack and experience at whoopin that ass
 
GP said:
Yeah? Well, we "battle" the mighty Colts (who aren't mighty this year) and the awesome Titans (who aren't "awesome" this year).

There's four wins for us, if we look at it that way.

The Jags are not world beaters either.
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Look, we stink and our division is nothing to brag about. But the NFC South is still well below the quality of Indy, Jax and even us...at least for now.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Look, we stink and our division is nothing to brag about. But the NFC South is still well below the quality of Indy, Jax and even us...at least for now.
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Agreed. We went 3-1 against the NFC West last year. Not a real powerful division. The Texans still suck though. New coach is needed.

DexmanC said:
Sam Bradford is a FRANCHISE QB in his rookie season.

Matt Schaub is a decent/average/ain't-gonna-get-no-better QB in
his SEVENTH season. Huge difference. The Rams are actually getting
better as time goes on. Same goes for the Jets, Falcons, Lions, Patriots,
Chiefs, Raiders, and so on... The Texans?

Standing in place, and are proud of it.
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I feel sorry for Matt Schaub. He receives so much hate. Schaub is an above-average QB. He's not an elite QB (Grade A), but he is above-average (Grade B). Schaub is still in the top ten in the league.
 
Why does everyone assume we would handle the Rams?

The NFC West is a joke, but so is the AFC South. Our division is friggin GARBAGE this year. The NFC West and AFC South could possibly both send an 8-8 team to the playoffs.

Lol....seriously......AFC South is unfortunately not much better than the NFC West...sorry to have to say that but it's true. Our defense sucks. Bradford could throw for 300+. You don't think so?

Look at other **** QB's and WR's we have made to look like Montana and Rice this year.

Ajiritoutou anyone? Enough said.
 
DexmanC said:
The Rams are actually getting
better as time goes on. Same goes for the Jets, Falcons, Lions, Patriots,
Chiefs, Raiders, and so on... The Texans?

Standing in place, and are proud of it.
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Yep, go ahead and add Cleveland who was terrible last year, and have the same record as us. Add Tampa Bay too. They were terrible last year, play in a tough division, and we'd kill to have their record right now.
 
DexmanC said:
Sam Bradford is a FRANCHISE QB in his rookie season.

Matt Schaub is a decent/average/ain't-gonna-get-no-better QB in
his SEVENTH season. Huge difference. The Rams are actually getting
better as time goes on. Same goes for the Jets, Falcons, Lions, Patriots,
Chiefs, Raiders, and so on... The Texans?

Standing in place, and are proud of it.
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Bradford was the #1 pick in the draft. If he was anything BUT a franchise QB he would be a bust. Schaub was a top 5QB last year and is a top 10 QB this year. If he had some semblance of a Defense, the team would have beaten SD, Jags, Jets, and Eagles. Instead of being 5-7, they would be 9-3 and in contention for not only the division, but best record of the AFC. Don't blame Schaub, blame the piss-poor D.
 
Apologies in advance, but anyone who thinks the NFC West is anywhere remotely close to the AFC South is either completely out of their mind with blind rage over our collective struggles or does not watch NFL football. The idea that the Rams are a better team with a brighter future is flat out laughable.

Yeah, we're 5-7 again but we've also played a very tough schedule. We lose every damn week against those division-leading good teams, yet we're in every game despite our historically awful defense.

One quick glance at the Rams schedule and you see why they're 6-6. They are a bad team made mediocre by a function of a very favorable schedule against terrible, terrible teams.

This ranking is fair and places us where we actually deserve to be overall. We are a mediocre team made worse by a function of an unfavorable schedule.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff
 
If we had the schedule of anyone in the NFC West, we'd have at least 9 wins right now.

Try not to let your blind hatred cloud your judgment so much.
 
Personally, I am not saying the Rams are "better" than the Texans and I'm definitely not blinded by rage or something like that.

I'm not saying the Rams would blow us out, but if you think the Texans would just shred the Rams you are blinded by sunshine and carebears while thinking some of us are blinded by rage.

We've had more than a few games in hand that have turned into just total embarassing losses. Meanwhile the the Rams, who blow according to everyone, including me - not saying they are world beaters here - have managed to grab a hold of their division and may just make the playoffs with a rookie QB and no playmakers.

Houston - with playmakers and vets on both sides of the ball have a worse record.

You play the teams on your schedule and in your division, that's all you can do and that's all that matters regardless of SOS or whatever.

The record and division states who you are and the division and overall record state that overall as of this moment in time, the Rams are an example of why Kubiak and the coaches should be embarassed.

"If" we had their record, "If" we didn't have such a strong SOS, "If"....too many "if's" and too late in the season.
 
[ QUOTE=HJam72;1601063]Schedule? I'm not even gonna bother looking.[/QUOTE]

^^^^
This, the Texans had a schedule that was comparable to the Rams schedule last yr. They finished 9-7.

This is the yr of no excuses.
 
Mailman said:
Apologies in advance, but anyone who thinks the NFC West is anywhere remotely close to the AFC South is either completely out of their mind with blind rage over our collective struggles or does not watch NFL football. The idea that the Rams are a better team with a brighter future is flat out laughable.

Yeah, we're 5-7 again but we've also played a very tough schedule. We lose every damn week against those division-leading good teams, yet we're in every game despite our historically awful defense.

One quick glance at the Rams schedule and you see why they're 6-6. They are a bad team made mediocre by a function of a very favorable schedule against terrible, terrible teams.

This ranking is fair and places us where we actually deserve to be overall. We are a mediocre team made worse by a function of an unfavorable schedule.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff
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Apologies in advance, but, anyone who doesn't see that the AFC South is mediocre this year and is ripe for the taking is either completely out of their mind with blind acceptance of our mediocrity or does not watch NFL football.

Also, I'm tired of the "tough schedule" argument.

Tough schedule? Tough ****. Play the games you're given.
 
The Texans and the Rams have this in common....both are mediocre.

The difference is that these are 2 teams going in opposite directions. The Rams D started making strides last year. Now their offense is following suit.

The Texans already topped out last year and are now regressing.
 
houstonspartan said:
Apologies in advance, but, anyone who doesn't see that the AFC South is mediocre this year and is ripe for the taking is either completely out of their mind with blind acceptance of our mediocrity or does not watch NFL football.

Also, I'm tired of the "tough schedule" argument.

Tough schedule? Tough ****. Play the games you're given.
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Agreed!
 
ensign_lee said:
If we had the schedule of anyone in the NFC West, we'd have at least 9 wins right now.

Try not to let your blind hatred cloud your judgment so much.
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We had that kind of schedule last year. It took the final game, against a team
that laid down with a two-touchdown lead in the fourth quarter to win the ninth game.
Don't give me that argument. It doesn't hold water.
 
Face it y'all, we have a culture of losing. We're the new Cardinals, Lions, Bengals; whatever, I'm too tired to really give a damn anymore.
 
DexmanC said:
We had that kind of schedule last year. It took the final game, against a team
that laid down with a two-touchdown lead in the fourth quarter to win the ninth game.
Don't give me that argument. It doesn't hold water.
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The Patriots did not lay down, where do you get this stuff from!?
 
imatexan said:
The Patriots did not lay down, where do you get this stuff from!?
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Really, dude? They rested half their defense, which was aging, for
the REAL game to start the following week. This year, their defense
is YOUNGER than ours, yet, their offense is consistent enough to
keep that defense off the field. The Patriots are rebuilding a Superbowl
champion right before our eyes. Five years into this regime, and not a
SINGLE playoff berth.

As to your point. The Patriots started the 4th quarter with a 2-touchdown
lead, and pulled key starters out of the game. They used the fourth quarter
as a scrimmage to teach their young backup quarterback how to handle certain
game situations. If you can't see the strategy of how the Patriots handled
that game, then you're drunk on Battle Red Kool-Aid.

For the sake of this team, we need fans to put that **** down until
this regime has been overhauled.
 
DexmanC said:
Really, dude? They rested half their defense, which was aging, for
the REAL game to start the following week. This year, their defense
is YOUNGER than ours, yet, their offense is consistent enough to
keep that defense off the field. The Patriots are rebuilding a Superbowl
champion right before our eyes. Five years into this regime, and not a
SINGLE playoff berth.

As to your point. The Patriots started the 4th quarter with a 2-touchdown
lead, and pulled key starters out of the game. They used the fourth quarter
as a scrimmage to teach their young backup quarterback how to handle certain
game situations. If you can't see the strategy of how the Patriots handled
that game, then you're drunk on Battle Red Kool-Aid.

For the sake of this team, we need fans to put that **** down until
this regime has been overhauled.
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/End Thread
 
DexmanC said:
Really, dude?

As to your point. The Patriots started the 4th quarter with a 2-touchdown
lead, and pulled key starters out of the game. They used the fourth quarter
as a scrimmage to teach their young backup quarterback how to handle certain
game situations. If you can't see the strategy of how the Patriots handled
that game, then you're drunk on Battle Red Kool-Aid.
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Yeah really dude. You are so full of crap on this it isn't even funny. Hoyer played one series ONE to end the game after the Texans were up by a TD. Brady wasn't pulled until he got waylayed by Mario resulting in the Pollard INT.
 
DexmanC said:
Really, dude? They rested half their defense, which was aging, for
the REAL game to start the following week. This year, their defense
is YOUNGER than ours, yet, their offense is consistent enough to
keep that defense off the field. The Patriots are rebuilding a Superbowl
champion right before our eyes. Five years into this regime, and not a
SINGLE playoff berth.

As to your point. The Patriots started the 4th quarter with a 2-touchdown
lead, and pulled key starters out of the game. They used the fourth quarter
as a scrimmage to teach their young backup quarterback how to handle certain
game situations. If you can't see the strategy of how the Patriots handled
that game, then you're drunk on Battle Red Kool-Aid.

For the sake of this team, we need fans to put that **** down until
this regime has been overhauled.
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infantrycak said:
Yeah really dude. You are so full of crap on this it isn't even funny. Hoyer played one series ONE to end the game after the Texans were up by a TD. Brady wasn't pulled until he got waylayed by Mario resulting in the Pollard INT.
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The score was 20-14 going into the 4th quarter. Hoyer did come in a series in the 2nd, which ended with a FG. He also came in after the Pollard/Mario play.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Hoyer did come in a series in the 2nd, which ended with a FG. He also came in after the Pollard/Mario play.
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Correct. Hoyer played two whole series in the game. Last one of each half for the Patriots. The idea they were playing him as some sort of training exercise for any significant portion of the game is ludicrous.
 
infantrycak said:
Correct. Hoyer played two whole series in the game. Last one of each half for the Patriots. The idea they were playing him as some sort of training exercise for any significant portion of the game is ludicrous.
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Ha, yeah, I don't know about all that. I just thought I remember him coming in before the 4th so I went and took a look.

The only player of significance I remember sitting for the Pats was Wilfork. I think he was "nicked", but could've played if he had to.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah really dude. You are so full of crap on this it isn't even funny. Hoyer played one series ONE to end the game after the Texans were up by a TD. Brady wasn't pulled until he got waylayed by Mario resulting in the Pollard INT.
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You just like going around and saying everyone else are homers but the fact that you are missing is that you are just as blinded if not more by your "anger" or whatever you have towards this team rite now.

Watch the highlights yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZvlME6U5GE

The Patriots wanted to win that game and the Texans played better in the 4th quarter, accept it.
 
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imatexan said:
You just like going around and saying everyone else are homers but the fact that you are missing is that you are just as blinded if not more by your "anger" or whatever you have towards this team rite now.

Watch the highlights yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZvlME6U5GE

The Patriots wanted to win that game and the Texans played better in the 4th quarter, get over it.
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Did you quote the wrong person? I think that is what I-cak is saying too
 
I've seen so many arguments that are using the word "anger" and saying this is why some people aren't thinking straigh or something in a lot of threads, not just this one.

Ozzie Guillen says......"Psst, please!"

When did everyone else turn into frickin Jedi's or something. Anger is what, clouding our mind to the darkside?
 
RTP2110 said:
Yep, go ahead and add Cleveland who was terrible last year, and have the same record as us. Add Tampa Bay too. They were terrible last year, play in a tough division, and we'd kill to have their record right now.
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Does anybody here actually think these are serious contenders this year? The answer would be no. Tampa Bay hasn't beaten a team above .500 this year. They've beaten Cincinnati, Cleveland, Carolina (twice), St Louis, Arizona & San Francisco. None of those are playoff teams (besides possibly St Louis). They will finish third in their division behind both New Orleans & Atlanta, and will likely not make the playoffs.

St Louis has beaten Washington, Seattle, San Diego, Carolina, Denver & Arizona. They could possibly make the playoffs in the NFC West, but does anybody expect them to beat a playoff caliber team? I know I don't.

Cleveland seems to be a pretty good team on the rise. They've had one of the toughest schedules this year playing Atlanta, New Orleans, New England, Kansas City, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville & New YorkJ. They could be a tough team next year.
 
DexmanC said:
Sam Bradford is a FRANCHISE QB in his rookie season.

Matt Schaub is a decent/average/ain't-gonna-get-no-better QB in
his SEVENTH season. Huge difference. The Rams are actually getting
better as time goes on. Same goes for the Jets, Falcons, Lions, Patriots,
Chiefs, Raiders, and so on... The Texans?

Standing in place, and are proud of it.
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Just happy to finally be standing I guess.
 
JCTexan said:
Does anybody here actually think these are serious contenders this year? The answer would be no. Tampa Bay hasn't beaten a team above .500 this year. They've beaten Cincinnati, Cleveland, Carolina (twice), St Louis, Arizona & San Francisco. None of those are playoff teams (besides possibly St Louis). They will finish third in their division behind both New Orleans & Atlanta, and will likely not make the playoffs.

St Louis has beaten Washington, Seattle, San Diego, Carolina, Denver & Arizona. They could possibly make the playoffs in the NFC West, but does anybody expect them to beat a playoff caliber team? I know I don't.

Cleveland seems to be a pretty good team on the rise. They've had one of the toughest schedules this year playing Atlanta, New Orleans, New England, Kansas City, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville & New YorkJ. They could be a tough team next year.
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Hmmm...what changed there..?:thinking:
 
imatexan said:
The Patriots did not lay down, where do you get this stuff from!?
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Yes...Yes, they did.

When you are rotating in your back-up QB when you have Tom Brady on your roster, you are not doing everything in your power to win the game.
 
Rey said:
Yes...Yes, they did.

When you are rotating in your back-up QB when you have Tom Brady on your roster, you are not doing everything in your power to win the game.
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The backup qb played 2 series... one of which was the final series of the game when it was already decided.
 
infantrycak said:
All evidence to the contrary.
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You could say the same thing about this year had I said Manning was a better QB....if you're looking at stats...


If you are watching them play a little bit then it's kind of in the eye of the beholder.

I'd take Bradford over Schaub all day. Even as a rookie.

He doesn't have near the offensive talent we have and he is getting it done.

But it's just my opinion. I thin kBradford is a better QB. I think he is a true franchise guy. When you have one of those guys you will be a contender year in and year out.
 
JB said:
The backup qb played 2 series... one of which was the final series of the game when it was already decided.
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Ok. So what?

If we played Dan-O in the middle of the game for no apparent reason do you think that we are putting our best effort forth?

And I'm not sure how you figure the game was out of hand...we only won by 7??????


Brady had 26 attempts, Hoyer had 12...

That is almost half of Brady's attempts....


But besides that, if you go back and look at the play by play Hoyer was in on the last drive that could have tied the game for them....

C'mon, there is no way they were putting forth their best effort...
 
Rey said:
The Rams have a better QB.
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No they don't. If being a fan of the Houston Texans means one cannot judge their performance objectively and must make ridiculous, fictional assertions comparing the disappointing Texans and the disappointing AFC South to the far crappier teams from the NFC West, then I am not a fan.
 
Rey said:
You could say the same thing about this year had I said Manning was a better QB....if you're looking at stats...


If you are watching them play a little bit then it's kind of in the eye of the beholder.

I'd take Bradford over Schaub all day. Even as a rookie.

He doesn't have near the offensive talent we have and he is getting it done.

But it's just my opinion. I thin kBradford is a better QB. I think he is a true franchise guy. When you have one of those guys you will be a contender year in and year out.
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And Schaub isn't getting it done? Last time I checked, the Texans still had a very potent offense. Schaub is a top-ten qb with a historically awful defense standing on his own sideline.
 
By the way JB...The sad thing is that Hoyer was actually driving them down the field...

He got to our 34 and was faced with a 4th and 3 that was incomplete...

Going back and thinking about that game makes me realize that the Texans are really just suck....
 
Mailman said:
And Schaub isn't getting it done? Last time I checked, the Texans still had a very potent offense. Schaub is a top-ten qb with a historically awful defense standing on his own sideline.
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I don't think he is capable of being an elite level QB on a consistent basis.

I look at it like this...

If Schaub was in that Rams offense...everything exactly the same...I think he doesn't perform as well as Bradford has.

I think if Bradford is the QB of the Texans...everything exactly the same...He is a better QB this year...and definitely in the years going forward...

But besides that it's my opinion. I could care less about what you or anyone else thinks about Schaub. I have my opinion about him. I have my opinion about other QB's.

I bet you would have said it was a wild statement to say Vick would be a better QB than Schaub. In fact you probably did say that in the past.
 
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