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Mcnair speaks whats your thoughts

TheCD

Rookie
After the San Diego loss, McNair said coach Gary Kubiak wouldn’t be fired after the season. When he was asked about Kubiak today, he said, “We talk about the game and the performance and the very things I’m talking about.
As Texans fans we all pretty much felt that this is what McNair would say/do. But let me be the first to let out the collective...


UUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH....

Followed by the Kubespalm

:kubepalm:
 

HJam72

Hall of Fame
OK, great; so, if this team goes .500 or less for like 8 more years, Kubiak might get fired. Way to sock it to 'im, Bob!
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
:kubepalm:
.....This team is fantastic at public relations (The ONLY thing we excel at)... What he said sounded straight like "Owner speak". It's obvious he's starting to get whiff of how upset fans are (which is why he even bothered to "politician" his way through his previous comments), but doesn't really put anyone on notice. His comments were just damage control. Damage control that isn't going to work.


My god, I hope we don't keep Kubiak for another year. It's almost like if he can atleast get to 7-9, he'll let Kubiak keep his job.
 

jshabang

Quality Backup!
I didnt like everything he said......but a couple things strike me as weird

First of all the fan base is livid.....thats apparent or he wouldnt even be talkin to the media trying to clarify his words

Second hes pretty much saying......WE BETTER WIN THIS SUNDAY OR ELSE......which seems to be putting Kubiak on notice that we better not lose this weekend to a undrafted rookie QB

Third when asked directly is he behind kubiak.....there was no answer of....."What would firing the coach do.....it wont make us catch passe or tackle".......he would not give him a vote of confidence....instead sayin that......"I will do whats in the best interest of the team at all times and im worried about tennesee Sunday"


IDK but i think kubes seat just at least got a little lukewarm.....maybe not hot....but definately lukewarm
 

HTown2ATX

TexansMetalhead
:kubepalm: This team is fantastic at public relations... What he said sounded straight like "Owner speak". It's obvious he's starting to get whiff of how upset fans are (which is why he even bothered to "politician" his way through his previous comments), but doesn't really put anyone on notice. His comments were just damage control. Damage control that isn't going to work.


My god, I hope we don't keep Kubiak for another year. It's almost like if he can atleast get to 7-9, he'll let Kubiak keep his job.
Unfortunately, I think even 6-10......MAYBE even 5-11 he keeps his job.

-CBA lockout

-Extension signed

-#1 SOS in the league this year

-"Youth on defense"

-"Competed in most every game and were just killed by last second gaffs"

Above are all the selling points that Kubes and Co. will sell to keep their jobs plus McNair just doesn't pull the trigger sometimes. We need Marvin Zindler back from the grave to investigate how McNair became a billionare business man with eployees like this and not making personell changes.

I wish I could have been a McNair employee. I guess I could just Shake Weight up and down all day in my office, do damn near nothing or eff stuff up and get the ole "Aw Shucks" from my boss and go right back to work and my paycheck the next day.

:kubepalm: :gun:
 

gary

Hall of Fame
Is Bob the type of person to talk about Gary while he still has the job? I don't know.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
Havent read the article but just to play devils advocate ..... I can see why McNair might give him another year and the reasons are numerous.


1) The way they started the season smashing Indy in the mouth. That was encouraging.

1) Injuries to key contributors - Barwin , Ryans , OD , AJ. The suspensions of Brown and Cushing.


3) The youth in the secondary , we all knew there would be growing pains - just no one had a clue that it would be THIS BAD. Makes me miss "Pay Me Rick". I kinda put the blame for that move on Smith , this being an uncapped year they could have franchised him again or found a veteran CB in FA who could help these kids out.

4) And this is the big one -There is likely going to be a work stoppage next season. There could be no season or a partial season. If it happens to be a partial season with no training camp or preseason .... what are you going to do , bring in a new coach and have him hand out a new playbook and ask the entire team to learn it in a week or ten days ? That just doesnt seem very productive to me.


They have been in position to win almost every game and could easily be 7-3 with a few breaks here and there - The coaches get credit for that as its their job to put the players in a position to win - the players have to be held accountable too - Someone has to make a damn play , they havent done that.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
The bastard child of Ward Cleaver and Fred Rogers speaks, and it's still milquetoast.

Gary, can you tie your shoes. Sure you can. Oh look, here's Mr. Williams. Can he sack the QB today boys and girls? No, well not today, but he tried hard and that's why he gets a gold star today. Let me get my sweater and sit beside the fireplace for a chat. Now, boys and girls our word of the day is try. As long as we try we are winners and that's all that matters. Now go get your milk and cookies, kiss your Mommy good night and say a prayer for all those big and strong football players and let them know you love them no matter what. Oh, and don't forget to tell Daddy to buy some over-priced tickets and some over-priced beer so he can watch all the guys out there who try hard every week.
 

m5kwatts

Veteran
(on if he is still sticking with Kubiak) “I’m concerned about winning this game against Tennessee. I always do what I think is in the best interest of this team, and that’s what motivates me. And it’s in our best interest right now to get ready and play Tennessee and go out there and win this game, and that’s what I expect us to do.”

http://blog.houstontexans.com/2010/11/24/mcnair-chimes-in-on-texans-struggles/

That doesn't sound like an endorsement to me.
 

Trap_Star

SiteContributor
bob is such a *****. he's going to need someone to hold his hand again when it comes to a regime change.

****, just gather the entire team and coaching staff, tell them the playoffs is out of the picture this year but for the rest of the season EVERYONE is playing/coaching for their job next year.

grow a ****ing set.
 
Havent read the article but just to play devils advocate ..... I can see why McNair might give him another year and the reasons are numerous.


1) The way they started the season smashing Indy in the mouth. That was encouraging.

1) Injuries to key contributors - Barwin , Ryans , OD , AJ. The suspensions of Brown and Cushing.


3) The youth in the secondary , we all knew there would be growing pains - just no one had a clue that it would be THIS BAD. Makes me miss "Pay Me Rick". I kinda put the blame for that move on Smith , this being an uncapped year they could have franchised him again or found a veteran CB in FA who could help these kids out.

4) And this is the big one -There is likely going to be a work stoppage next season. There could be no season or a partial season. If it happens to be a partial season with no training camp or preseason .... what are you going to do , bring in a new coach and have him hand out a new playbook and ask the entire team to learn it in a week or ten days ? That just doesnt seem very productive to me.


They have been in position to win almost every game and could easily be 7-3 with a few breaks here and there - The coaches get credit for that as its their job to put the players in a position to win - the players have to be held accountable too - Someone has to make a damn play , they havent done that.
Agreed....but some new coaches on Defense for next season better be non-negotiable.
 

jshabang

Quality Backup!
(on if he is still sticking with Kubiak) “I’m concerned about winning this game against Tennessee. I always do what I think is in the best interest of this team, and that’s what motivates me. And it’s in our best interest right now to get ready and play Tennessee and go out there and win this game, and that’s what I expect us to do.”

http://blog.houstontexans.com/2010/11/24/mcnair-chimes-in-on-texans-struggles/

That doesn't sound like an endorsement to me.
exactly.....i would go out on a limb and say if kubiak and "the kids" stumble and bumble to another loss to the titans this weekend that his seat would go from lukewarm to hot in a hurry

then our 2 national TV games would come up and if we embarras ourselves royally in front of a national audience...which we will becuz its against philly and the ravens......I would go out on another limb and say that he could not possibly survive that kinda debacle and will be fired IMHO
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame



They have been in position to win almost every game and could easily be 7-3 with a few breaks here and there - The coaches get credit for that as its their job to put the players in a position to win - the players have to be held accountable too - Someone has to make a damn play , they havent done that.


THis is a big excuse for Kubes Corrosion. These have been the same horrid mistakes for the last three years. It's always "someone has to make a play" for this team." These sound like the same excuses that people have made over and over for Yao Ming over the years and that has put the Rockets in a corner, and it's putting the Texans in a corner right now once again just like it did in the Capers era. If Mcnair brings Kubiak back for another season, he's stating that he doesn't give a damn about having a winning team and 9 years into this franchise will say enough about Mcnair as an owner. I won't root for this team under Kubes anymore. The guy's a loser, and any other franchise that had an owner that was committed to winning would have fired Kubes already with how embarrassing this team is. The fact that this team has these constant meltdowns every week and this has gone on for 3 seasons now makes this franchise and this fan base look really weak at this point for accepting it.
 

dtran04

Veteran
I'm not sure what the complaining is about. He just said he's disappointed and that they are underachieving (which is actually saying alot).

Did people expect him to say that everyone will be fired the day after the last game?
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
"I was very proud of that comeback," McNair said. "At the same time, you can't win games playing 59 minutes, and that was the big disappointment. We just have to learn to play 60 minutes and get these things closed out."
Proud? :um:

Proud of a team that can't pull it's head out if it's ass for the first half of a game? I could see using words like "encouraged" or something, but proud indicates accomplishment.

That's just pathetic, even if it is just owner-speak. There's no accountability in those words.

And after five freakin' years, you'd think there would be a little less patience for a coach that has not taught his team to play a full 60 minutes of football.
 

Grid

All Pro
(on if he is still sticking with Kubiak) “I’m concerned about winning this game against Tennessee. I always do what I think is in the best interest of this team, and that’s what motivates me. And it’s in our best interest right now to get ready and play Tennessee and go out there and win this game, and that’s what I expect us to do.”

http://blog.houstontexans.com/2010/11/24/mcnair-chimes-in-on-texans-struggles/

That doesn't sound like an endorsement to me.
See....that sounds pretty bad for Kubiak to me.

There is a lot not being said there. I imagine that if he wasnt being political about it, that quote would have been:

I'd fire him right now, but I’m concerned about winning this game against Tennessee.

Seems to me that if Kubiak doesnt go out and win against Tennessee, yeah.. his seat is gonna be like lava.
 

HTown2ATX

TexansMetalhead
proud? :um:

Proud of a team that can't pull it's head out if it's ass for the first half of a game? I could see using words like "encouraged" or something, but proud indicates accomplishment.

That's just pathetic, even if it is just owner-speak. There's no accountability in those words.

And after five freakin' years, you'd think there would be a little less patience for a coach that has not taught his team to play a full 60 minutes of football.
^^^this
 

TEXANRED

Texan-American
I think that McNair is a business man and as long as his product is in the top 5 in value and sells out every game due to corporate sponcers he has zero reason to make a change.

Welcome to being a Bengal fan.
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
What McNair says during the season amounts to jack ****. He's not going to say anything negative about his employees during the season.

We all knew that he had a man-crush on Carr and he never said a bad word about him. Then the season was over in January and Carr was out by February. He still had nothing but good stuff to say about the guy.

If you're looking for the owner to say he joined the Soapers, it'll never happen. If human nature applies to him, then he wants the same results we all want.
 

Big Lou

Hall of Fame
Defensive end Antonio Smith isn't as optimistic.

"Am I worried about this team? Yeah, I'm worried about this team, of what could happen to it, of where it could go," Smith said. "It gets to the point where you're thinking the worst. But when you wake up and you come to work in the morning, you've got to shake it off and come with a new frame of mind.

"You can be worried about it," he said, "but you've got to put that in the back and go handle your business."

It was later stated that Antonio Smith jumped up and gave this statement before the reporter asked the question, and was promptly flagged for 5 yards although he did point at the reporter and complained that he flinched.
 

Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
What McNair says during the season amounts to jack ****. He's not going to say anything negative about his employees during the season.

We all knew that he had a man-crush on Carr and he never said a bad word about him. Then the season was over in January and Carr was out by February. He still had nothing but good stuff to say about the guy.

If you're looking for the owner to say he joined the Soapers, it'll never happen. If human nature applies to him, then he wants the same results we all want.
I absolutely agree with that. He didn't say a bad word about Dom Capers either before he fired him at the end of the season. Not one word.

I have no doubt that McNair will fire Kubes at the end of the season if they don't make the playoffs. I don't need to hear McNair throw Kubes under the bus in order to know that.

Some of you, no, a whole hell of a lot of you, want McNair to do just that . . . show his frustration, vent, and throw somebody under the bus.

Fans can show and voice their frustrations, make knee-jerk reactions, and throw people under the bus. That's because they have no say-so in running the team.

Owners aren't allowed to go half-cocked. Whatever they say or do, has consequences.
 

texanhead08

All Pro
The lack of a CBA could be what saves Kubiak's ass. I wouldn't be shocked to see a lot of coachs survive just because of the unknown to if next season will actually happen.
 

GP

Go Texans!
I absolutely agree with that. He didn't say a bad word about Dom Capers either before he fired him at the end of the season. Not one word.

I have no doubt that McNair will fire Kubes at the end of the season if they don't make the playoffs. I don't need to hear McNair throw Kubes under the bus in order to know that.

Some of you, no, a whole hell of a lot of you, want McNair to do just that . . . show his frustration, vent, and throw somebody under the bus.

Fans can show and voice their frustrations, make knee-jerk reactions, and throw people under the bus. That's because they have no say-so in running the team.

Owners aren't allowed to go half-cocked. Whatever they say or do, has consequences.
I agree. It's difficult to recruit coaches when an owner publicly humiliates them. Owners gotta' play poker.
 

DexmanC

Hall of Fame
Unfortunately, I think even 6-10......MAYBE even 5-11 he keeps his job.

-CBA lockout

-Extension signed

-#1 SOS in the league this year

-"Youth on defense"

-"Competed in most every game and were just killed by last second gaffs"

Above are all the selling points that Kubes and Co. will sell to keep their jobs plus McNair just doesn't pull the trigger sometimes. We need Marvin Zindler back from the grave to investigate how McNair became a billionare business man with eployees like this and not making personell changes.

I wish I could have been a McNair employee. I guess I could just Shake Weight up and down all day in my office, do damn near nothing or eff stuff up and get the ole "Aw Shucks" from my boss and go right back to work and my paycheck the next day.

:kubepalm: :gun:
I feel what you're saying, but Houston fans ain't buying those bullet
points this season. Mcnair knows that, and will have no choice but
to fire Kubes if the team falls short. We got people like Kimmy, Dale,
and Joe Texan calling for Kubiak's head. If THEY are wanting him gone,
I can imagine how the rest of the season ticket holders feel about it.

Mcnair ain't proved himself to be stupid, just yet.
 

Double Barrel

Texans Talk Admin
Staff member
Contributor's Club
I absolutely agree with that. He didn't say a bad word about Dom Capers either before he fired him at the end of the season. Not one word.

I have no doubt that McNair will fire Kubes at the end of the season if they don't make the playoffs. I don't need to hear McNair throw Kubes under the bus in order to know that.

Some of you, no, a whole hell of a lot of you, want McNair to do just that . . . show his frustration, vent, and throw somebody under the bus.

Fans can show and voice their frustrations, make knee-jerk reactions, and throw people under the bus. That's because they have no say-so in running the team.

Owners aren't allowed to go half-cocked. Whatever they say or do, has consequences.
Good points. While it is a fan's inclination to rant and rave, that's our duty as fans. We have a passion for an entertainment medium that we are powerless to control any of it.

I surely wouldn't want an owner to do the same, especially when the team is still mathematically "in the hunt" and not completely eliminated. I do not expect a run, but it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities. Crazier things have happened in the NFL.

However, I tend to not share your 'optimistic' projection about Kubiak's future, as I think McNair has patience beyond what most fans possess. I think changes will most likely be made, but I'm not convinced that he will be ready to implement a complete overhaul with so many factors going into the past five years and the potential lockout looming on the horizon.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
"I was very proud of that comeback," McNair said. "At the same time, you can't win games playing 59 minutes, and that was the big disappointment. We just have to learn to play 60 minutes and get these things closed out."



Kubiak's weekly personal reply to McNair (taken from Vince Lombardi):
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time.
:)
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
I can only think of 3 owners that would say something to the press that would turn the heat up on their HC's... Al Davis, Jerry Jones and Bud Adams.

Not only is McNair not that kind of guy, but most CEO's in business aren't that type of guy. Look at a guy like Steve Jobs. He won't say anything negative about anyone working for his company to the press, but I guarantee that he's putting his foot in asses behind the scenes.

The CEO's have to answer to stockholders just like the NFL owners have to answer to the fans. If CEO's melt down, then their stocks take a hit. If NFL owners melt down, then seats and merchandise take a hit.
 

wagonhed

Team Gruden
Why should he say anything? He isn't stressing out about it because he knows what he is going to do, and if he doesn't know yet, at least he is the one making the decision. We want him to say something so we can stop stressing out about what we think he is going to do. He has no reason to give in to our desires for him to be verbal about his choices. All he has to do is make the right decision at the end of the season.
 
I'm counting down they months, days, hours, minutes and seconds til the texans hire someone nobody likes.

I'm a make that 'i told you' thread, and get a ton of -rep for doing so.
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
I feel what you're saying, but Houston fans ain't buying those bullet
points this season. Mcnair knows that, and will have no choice but
to fire Kubes if the team falls short. We got people like Kimmy, Dale,
and Joe Texan calling for Kubiak's head. If THEY are wanting him gone,
I can imagine how the rest of the season ticket holders feel about it.

Mcnair ain't proved himself to be stupid, just yet.
Totally agree. If things don't turn around real quick, then it'll be a no-brainer.

When I say "turn around," I mean something we'll be watching on America's Game. It'll take a miracle for that to happen.

I honestly don't see how Kubiak stays next season if he has to deal with a new DC or GM that's not one of his drinking buddies....and that's what it's gonna take.
 

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
I'm counting down they months, days, hours, minutes and seconds til the texans hire someone nobody likes.

I'm a make that 'i told you' thread, and get a ton of -rep for doing so.
They already hired that guy.

How many months, days, hours, minutes, and seconds has it been since January 23, 2006?
 

Second Honeymoon

Hall of Fame
Nothing to see here
Just ownerspeak but it was nice that he didn't say 'fine job' again. Owners don't like being hit with these questions. He has gotten many letters in the past month and they haven't been very optimistic

Great opinions in this thread though

Fire kubiak
 
Uncle Bob said:
"I think we're going to go out and win this game," McNair said. "If we win this game, then probably we'll be in the second place in the division, one game out.
It sounds like he's satisfied being 2nd place and just being competitive. Lose this one and I think the wheels stop spinning out and the fire kubiak bus gets real traction. Bottom of the division = embarassment, which I would imagine is a bigger thing for billionaires.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
After four and a half seasons the Texans have improved from bad to below average. BFD.

* yawn *
 

97roc

Waterboy
I think we all know that Kubiak will be back next year. The only real question is what happens with the defensive staff. Honestly, there is only so much you can do with limited talent.
 
I think we all know that Kubiak will be back next year. The only real question is what happens with the defensive staff. Honestly, there is only so much you can do with limited talent.
The only thing we "know" is that season ticket holders are DONE. Even the most hard core season ticket holders can't defend this team anymore. I hung out with a buddy of mine tonight who has been an original ticket holder, and he's done.

This has hit to the core of the fan base, and, trust me, Kubiak doesn't have the job security you think he does.
 

GNTLEWOLF

Rookie
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I think we all know that Kubiak will be back next year. The only real question is what happens with the defensive staff. Honestly, there is only so much you can do with limited talent.
There it is again....Every year since Kubiak has arrived as HC that limited talent thing has been used to get him a pass. That doesn't hold water anymore. After four drafts this team and all the talent on it has been handpicked by Kubiak. It is HIS talent that is out there so if it is limitted, it is his. I am however not so sure that the talent is really that limitted. I subscribe to the talent regression theory. I believe the talent is there but it has been coached down. But any way it goes, that old "limitted talent" saw will not work anymore. It needs to be execised from Texan's vocabulary.
 
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There it is again....Every year since Kubiak has arrived as HC that limited talent thing has been used to get him a pass. That doesn't hold water anymore. After four drafts this team and all the talent on it has been handpicked by Kubiak. It is HIS talent that is out there so if it is limitted, it is his. I am however not so sure that the talent is really that limitted. I subscribe to the talent regression theory. I believe the talent is there but it has been coached down. But any way it goes, that old "limitted talent" saw will not work anymore. It needs to be execised from Texan's vocabulary.
Yep. Also, we have had several players leave this team, go elsewhere, and get dramatically better. That's coaching.

Also, I just read the Chronicle story. That was anything but a ringing endorsement of Gary Kubiak. He should be nervous.
 
Yep. Also, we have had several players leave this team, go elsewhere, and get dramatically better. That's coaching.
Or they are simply more mature players now, al la Vick. They could also be benefiting from having better players around them like Babin. He washed out with 4(?) other teams after the Texans and now everyone thinks he was just let go and become Reggie White reincarnate.:rolleyes:
 

Corrosion

Idealist
Staff member
The only thing we "know" is that season ticket holders are DONE. Even the most hard core season ticket holders can't defend this team anymore. I hung out with a buddy of mine tonight who has been an original ticket holder, and he's done.

This has hit to the core of the fan base, and, trust me, Kubiak doesn't have the job security you think he does.
And how would you know that ? You know McNair ? You know Kubiak ? .....

See ya at dinner today.:chef:
 
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