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Rex Ryan - "Kareem Jackson's going to be an outstanding player"

m5kwatts

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If you're like me and you've lost all respect for any opinion this coaching staff voices, you've probably ignored any of the press quotes about Kareem. They're usually something like "he's making mistakes now but he'll get better" blah blah blah.

Well when I read this I felt a lot more positively about our 1st rounder.

On the challenges for a rookie corner like Kareem Jackson: “Kareem Jackson’s going to be an outstanding player – an outstanding player… It’s just a different game. The skill level is phenomenal in this league. You may have a guy covered in college, what you think is covered in college, well, that’s open in the NFL… Everybody makes mistakes. They’re all going to get beat. I mean, Darrelle Revis gave up a touchdown this year. You know, those things happen. But the guys that make it are the ones that can learn from it and take coaching.”
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Rex Ryan is no BSer. I think if he thought Kareem was a bust or just drafted too high, he would've said it in so many words. I bet if anything he's thinking "if only we could get him in a room with OUR coaches how much better would he be?" Either way, it should make us feel better that when Kubiak and Rick Smith are gone next year (fingers crossed), we won't be left with a 1st round bust on our hands. If Rex believes in Kareem, I believe in Kareem.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Sounded like a back-handed compliment to me.
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I don't see it that way. I see how you're seeing it, but I just don't think that's Rex's intention. I think he's just using that as an example to say "even if you're the best in the league you're gonna get beat at times."

Besides I don't think Rex does the whole back-handed compliment thing. He's a straight shooter.
 
m5kwatts said:
If you're like me and you've lost all respect for any opinion this coaching staff voices, you've probably ignored any of the press quotes about Kareem. They're usually something like "he's making mistakes now but he'll get better" blah blah blah.

Well when I read this I felt a lot more positively about our 1st rounder.



Rex Ryan is no BSer. I think if he thought Kareem was a bust or just drafted too high, he would've said it in so many words. I bet if anything he's thinking "if only we could get him in a room with OUR coaches how much better would he be?" Either way, it should make us feel better that when Kubiak and Rick Smith are gone next year (fingers crossed), we won't be left with a 1st round bust on our hands. If Rex believes in Kareem, I believe in Kareem.
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Rex Ryan is a 3-4 coach and sees KJ as a 3-4 corner which he could be with a really good safety over the top as a wingman. Jackson has a long way to go to be a 4-3 CB. Believe what you want.
 
Rex handed out many compliments last year too. Then he commenced to whoopin out asses game 1. So yeah, his words mean little to nothing to me.
 
badboy said:
Rex Ryan is a 3-4 coach and sees KJ as a 3-4 corner which he could be with a really good safety over the top as a wingman. Jackson has a long way to go to be a 4-3 CB. Believe what you want.
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What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?


HOU-TEX said:
Rex handed out many compliments last year too. Then he commenced to whoopin out asses game 1. So yeah, his words mean little to nothing to me.
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Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
 
m5kwatts said:
What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?




Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
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Maybe questions about his own team
 
HOU-TEX said:
Maybe questions about his own team
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I haven't seen anything in Rex's history with the media that would suggest he goes around throwing empty compliments at any random opponent's player even if they don't deserve it. I can't even remember one example of that.
 
Rex Ryan doesn't coach the Texans. Unless he's coaching the Texans or a possible future coach for us, why should we care? At this point he's the enemy, and I wouldn't trust anything he has to say anyway.
 
m5kwatts said:
What do you see in Kareem that lends to him being a better 3-4 CB than 4-3? Or I guess better worded: What weaknesses are preventing him from being a "4-3 CB"?KJ to be a good 4-3 CB needs fluid hips and hip swivle. If he is back pedaling with WR to either side and WR suddenly goes to the other side, hip swivle allows CB to move accordingly without losing much if any ground. His tendancy as a "bump" the receiver type CB (especially since he misses the bump so often) would not be a negative because corners are often allowed to blitz and I think he would be good at that. I think Jackson would be a pretty good SS.




Yeah but Rex doesn't give compliments to players who don't deserve it. Don't you think Rex answers questions honestly? He's not the type to "pay lip service" to anyone.
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See bolded.
 
Can somebody explain to me how a cornerback could be more suited to play in a 3-4 base defense over a 4-3 base, or vice versa? I can see how one may be better at man coverage or zone coverage or whatever... but I never really understood how the front 7 had that much of an effect.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Can somebody explain to me how a cornerback could be more suited to play in a 3-4 base defense over a 4-3 base, or vice versa? I can see how one may be better at man coverage or zone coverage or whatever... but I never really understood how the front 7 had that much of an effect.
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It's mostly about scheme and how the system is run. The front 7 responsibilties change for gaps, etc. So you need guys that may be used to that, and typically beefier mountains ont the line. The DB's are on different schemes though.

Either way you slice it, no matter who is complementing it, it doesn't matter. This defense is the football equivalent to the 2 girls, 1 cup video.

It's nasty and just makes you want to vomit.
 
badboy said:
KJ to be a good 4-3 CB needs fluid hips and hip swivle. If he is back pedaling with WR to either side and WR suddenly goes to the other side, hip swivle allows CB to move accordingly without losing much if any ground. His tendancy as a "bump" the receiver type CB (especially since he misses the bump so often) would not be a negative because corners are often allowed to blitz and I think he would be good at that. I think Jackson would be a pretty good SS.
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I don't see any difference between a 3-4 or a 4-3 corner.

I don't know that his problem in bump coverage is that he misses.... I think he just doesn't know how strong a "physical" receiver in the NFL really is.

He's going to have to learn a lot..... I don't think he's doing any worse than say Rodgers-Cromartie did his rookie year. If he's tough enough, he'll be a good corner.
 
HTown2ATX said:
It's mostly about scheme and how the system is run. The front 7 responsibilties change for gaps, etc. So you need guys that may be used to that, and typically beefier mountains ont the line. The DB's are on different schemes though.

Either way you slice it, no matter who is complementing it, it doesn't matter. This defense is the football equivalent to the 2 girls, 1 cup video.

It's nasty and just makes you want to vomit.
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Sorry not to offend, but I don't think that's a really responsive answer to the origional question.
 
IDEXAN said:
Sorry not to offend, but I don't think that's a really responsive answer to the origional question.
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3-4s tend to be man-coverage (with the biggest exception being the Pats).

The SS is usually much more active on the blitz, leaving CBs on islands a lot of the time

The Jets use a lot of man and press.
 
Larry Izzo was on the Jets when we played them last year. He said
the coaches got a hold of the Texans' offseason training program, and
preached to his guys how much MORE the Jets worked than the Texans
did during the offseason.

....yeah, get us better coaching please.
 
The1ApplePie said:
3-4s tend to be man-coverage (with the biggest exception being the Pats).

The SS is usually much more active on the blitz, leaving CBs on islands a lot of the time

The Jets use a lot of man and press.
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This is what I'm talking about! Having never played organized football, I'm oblivious to a lot of the nuances of the x's and o's.

Man vs. Zone I understand. I wasn't sure if one or the other were generally used to different base schemes like the 4-3 or 3-4.

This is also why I think, we as fans (in general) are so dumb when it comes to blasting the organization for not take this player or that player in FA or the draft. If we're asking our corners to play a certain way, the "pro bowl FA CB" could be a terrible fit for the scheme... yet we're griping that we don't sign him.

What are the Texans doing in the secondary? And don't say "sucking" lol. Do we mostly do man or zone? Or do we mix it up quite a bit?
 
DexmanC said:
Larry Izzo was on the Jets when we played them last year. He said
the coaches got a hold of the Texans' offseason training program, and
preached to his guys how much MORE the Jets worked than the Texans
did during the offseason.

....yeah, get us better coaching please.
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Stephanie Stradley: March 30 said:
As you may recall, after one year being promoted from assistant to head Strength and Conditioning coach, Ray Wright is gone and is now with the Redskins, and has been replaced with Cedric Smith.
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At least you got one wish!

http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2010/03/texans_strength_and_conditioni_1.html
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
This is what I'm talking about! Having never played organized football, I'm oblivious to a lot of the nuances of the x's and o's.

Man vs. Zone I understand. I wasn't sure if one or the other were generally used to different base schemes like the 4-3 or 3-4.

This is also why I think, we as fans (in general) are so dumb when it comes to blasting the organization for not take this player or that player in FA or the draft. If we're asking our corners to play a certain way, the "pro bowl FA CB" could be a terrible fit for the scheme... yet we're griping that we don't sign him.

What are the Texans doing in the secondary? And don't say "sucking" lol. Do we mostly do man or zone? Or do we mix it up quite a bit?
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Kareem Jackson was actually asked this in training camp. He said at Alabama it was all man coverage and with the Texans its about 50/50. Funny because the assumption was with him coming from Saban's "pro-style" coaching, he'd make a seamless transition to the NFL. Going from playing exclusive man coverage in college to 50/50 zone/man in the NFL doesn't sound like Saban's "pro-style" coaching prepared him for NFL zone concepts. And whatever "coaching" (if you can even call it that) he's getting now probably confused him even more.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Can somebody explain to me how a cornerback could be more suited to play in a 3-4 base defense over a 4-3 base, or vice versa? I can see how one may be better at man coverage or zone coverage or whatever... but I never really understood how the front 7 had that much of an effect.
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No it can't be explained because the back 4 can run whatever they want out of either set. Look at the hip swivel response you got - as if any CB doesn't need good hip swivel.
 
Thorn said:
Rex Ryan doesn't coach the Texans. Unless he's coaching the Texans or a possible future coach for us, why should we care? At this point he's the enemy, and I wouldn't trust anything he has to say anyway.
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He knows there is potential for a head coaching job in Houston to open up, so he's getting the Ryan name in there on behalf of brother Rob.
 
I like corners that line up with the receiver and mirror them down field. In today's NFL, WRs like AJ are too strong to "bump" off their route. I want a CB that has better than 4.5 speed with very fluid hips and good swivle like Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty last draft and Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith 2011
 
infantrycak said:
No it can't be explained because the back 4 can run whatever they want out of either set. Look at the hip swivel response you got - as if any CB doesn't need good hip swivel.
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They definitely need it but some don't have it and Karem Jackson doesn't.
 
"Kareem Jackson helped himself immensely," said David Jeremiah, a former Baltimore Ravens and Cleveland Browns scout who now operates the Web site MovetheSticks.com.

Jackson indeed raised his stock during workouts at Lucas Oil Stadium. He didn't win a gold medal in the 40-yard dash, but his time turned heads. Officially he was clocked at 4.48 seconds, but some stopwatches timed him as low as 4.41. Only four cornerbacks ran faster than 4.48. None was faster than 4.45.

"He has a good tape," Jeremiah said. "There were questions about his deep speed, but he answered those."

Jackson apparently answered other questions well, too.

"He interviewed ex*tremely well," said Phil Savage, the former Cleveland Browns general manager who was hired recently by the Philadelphia Eagles as a part-time player personnel consultant for the 2010 draft. Savage just finished his first season as the color commentator on Alabama football radio broadcasts.

"He impressed teams with his knowledge of the game and his understanding of what they were doing on defense at Alabama."

http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2010/03/nfl_scouting_combine_wrapup_cb.html
 
m5kwatts said:
If you're like me and you've lost all respect for any opinion this coaching staff voices, you've probably ignored any of the press quotes about Kareem. They're usually something like "he's making mistakes now but he'll get better" blah blah blah.

Well when I read this I felt a lot more positively about our 1st rounder.



Rex Ryan is no BSer. I think if he thought Kareem was a bust or just drafted too high, he would've said it in so many words. I bet if anything he's thinking "if only we could get him in a room with OUR coaches how much better would he be?" Either way, it should make us feel better that when Kubiak and Rick Smith are gone next year (fingers crossed), we won't be left with a 1st round bust on our hands. If Rex believes in Kareem, I believe in Kareem.
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Hopefully, Jackson will be improving for a new coaching staff. That runs the 3/4 defense. If MW isn't going to rush the passer in the 4/3. Then I'm sure the Texans can take advantage of Mario's strength in a 3/4 defense. Which is stopping the run.
 
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816dcc5f/2010-Combine-workout-Kareem-Jackson

If you can't really tell how smooth his hip action is, at least watch the portion right after the 40yd dash.

In this drill, they make the player backpedal, then turn 360% degree and continue running.

Try go outside and do it yourself.

Now watch McCourty and pay attention just to that drill.
I think you can tell that KJ made a smoother turn out of his backpedal.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816dd9ca/2010-Combine-workout-Devin-McCourty
 
drewmar74 said:
Sounds good.

Can we get him some better coaching, please?
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Hear hear! Uncle Bob may take till 2012 on that.

Super Mario said:
Rex Ryan and his crafty tricks. Trying to get Glover to let down his guard!
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You mean it wasn't ALREADY down?

badboy said:
I like corners that line up with the receiver and mirror them down field. In today's NFL, WRs like AJ are too strong to "bump" off their route. I want a CB that has better than 4.5 speed with very fluid hips and good swivle like Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty last draft and Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith 2011
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Kyle has been getting torched. He's who I expected the Texans to draft and I can't say that he's nay better than KJ.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hopefully, Jackson will be improving for a new coaching staff. That runs the 3/4 defense. If MW isn't going to rush the passer in the 4/3. Then I'm sure the Texans can take advantage of Mario's strength in a 3/4 defense. Which is stopping the run.
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I hope so, too, considering that he'll be a third year player by that point! :winky:
 
I still think the pass coverage of our safeties is a bigger problem than our CB's. Before the SD game Pollard had already given up 7td's and Jackson 4, but everyone is screaming Jackson needs to be benched.

How many times have we seen a WR go deep and our safety is no where to be found. The FS is supposed to keep everything in front of him and Wilson is usually no where to be found on a deep ball.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
This is what I'm talking about! Having never played organized football, I'm oblivious to a lot of the nuances of the x's and o's.

Man vs. Zone I understand. I wasn't sure if one or the other were generally used to different base schemes like the 4-3 or 3-4.

This is also why I think, we as fans (in general) are so dumb when it comes to blasting the organization for not take this player or that player in FA or the draft. If we're asking our corners to play a certain way, the "pro bowl FA CB" could be a terrible fit for the scheme... yet we're griping that we don't sign him.

What are the Texans doing in the secondary? And don't say "sucking" lol. Do we mostly do man or zone? Or do we mix it up quite a bit?
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The Texans mix it up quite a bit, but they do play more zone than man coverage. Sometimes they would disguise it, showing man then dropping into zone (though not very often.)

Whether in a 4-3 a 3-4, you can still play zone coverage.
We were strictly a 4-3 team in the past but had added some 3-4 looks this year.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
This is what I'm talking about! Having never played organized football, I'm oblivious to a lot of the nuances of the x's and o's.

Man vs. Zone I understand. I wasn't sure if one or the other were generally used to different base schemes like the 4-3 or 3-4.

This is also why I think, we as fans (in general) are so dumb when it comes to blasting the organization for not take this player or that player in FA or the draft. If we're asking our corners to play a certain way, the "pro bowl FA CB" could be a terrible fit for the scheme... yet we're griping that we don't sign him.

What are the Texans doing in the secondary? And don't say "sucking" lol. Do we mostly do man or zone? Or do we mix it up quite a bit?
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I really don't think it matters much what defense you run. A corner back is a corner back. Whether you are in a 4-3 or a 3-4 you have to be able to play the position.
 
m5kwatts said:
Kareem Jackson was actually asked this in training camp. He said at Alabama it was all man coverage and with the Texans its about 50/50. Funny because the assumption was with him coming from Saban's "pro-style" coaching, he'd make a seamless transition to the NFL. Going from playing exclusive man coverage in college to 50/50 zone/man in the NFL doesn't sound like Saban's "pro-style" coaching prepared him for NFL zone concepts. And whatever "coaching" (if you can even call it that) he's getting now probably confused him even more.
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In zone, he's expected to pass his receiver off to a safety.
That safety is never there, thus Kareem looks "burned."
 
76Texan said:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816dcc5f/2010-Combine-workout-Kareem-Jackson

If you can't really tell how smooth his hip action is, at least watch the portion right after the 40yd dash.

In this drill, they make the player backpedal, then turn 360% degree and continue running.

Try go outside and do it yourself.

Now watch McCourty and pay attention just to that drill.
I think you can tell that KJ made a smoother turn out of his backpedal.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816dd9ca/2010-Combine-workout-Devin-McCourty
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I see exactly what you're talking about. And I don't think the flaw here was the evaluation process. I think the problem started when he landed in Houston and this coaching staff got their hands on him.
 
I think any negative evaluation that Houston fans are making on Kareem are going to be a bit unfair, as he was been thrown in the deep end, with little to no help around him. As I've said before, they're doing the same thing they did to HWWNBN, in just throwing in a rook, and expecting him to stand out, and lead by example.
 
Norg said:
How is Kyle WIlson doing ?????? hes not starting right ????
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With Darell Revis and Antonio Cromartie as your starting CBs, it's hard for Kyle Wilson to crack that starting lineup. But I don't know whether or not if he has started any game or how he's played so far. As for Rex Ryan, I hope for our sake KJ is going to be an outstanding player.
 
i havent really kept up with the jets but last time i seen Kyle WIlson on the field he was getting burned

and with this few weeks that revis was hurt i call to remember teams scoring 20+ on da jets
 
Norg said:
How is Kyle WIlson doing ?????? hes not starting right ????
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Re: Question: Kareem Jackson

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Originally Posted by El Tejano
I believe that Kareem is the kind of player a team like The Ravens could draft. A team that gets so much pressure up front that they could still stick a player in there and he would exceed. Kind of like Kyle Wilson with The Jets. Right now, we don't have the pressure necessary to just trot out a rookie CB like Kareem.

It's only my hope that his confidence has grown over the last bye week.
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OK, so I decided to watch me some games of the Jets (all of them).

In their first game against the Ravens, Wilson played strictly nickel and was "torched" (using the same standard many posters here use for KJ) pretty much EVERY single time (about 11 or 12).

If you think KJ is bad then Wilson is utterly worse than garbage.
Those posters who called KJ a bust would call Wilson the biggest bust of all time.
In later games, he was used like McCain (sometimes at nickel, sometimes at CB) with worse results. He would look bad against David Anderson at this rate.
I thought he should be benched... then in the last 2 games, I don't see him in the line-up anymore.
He was still returning kick once in a while.

I wanted to give him benefit of the doubt, checking to see whether he's injured (even though he doesn't look injured on the return team) so I googled and found out that he had indeed been benched.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...vexes_rex.html

By the way, Cromartie (any CB not named Revis) looked worse than KJ as well. Even Revis got burned a few times.

The KJ bashing seems rather odd, really!
 
Here you can see why I said even Revis got burned from time to time.
His HC Ryan had put it into words if you didn't trust me!
 
Nawzer said:
With Darell Revis and Antonio Cromartie as your starting CBs, it's hard for Kyle Wilson to crack that starting lineup. But I don't know whether or not if he has started any game or how he's played so far. As for Rex Ryan, I hope for our sake KJ is going to be an outstanding player.
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Really none of 5 first round corners:

Haden Browns
Jackson texans
McCourty Pats
Wilson Jets
Robinson saints

have actually played well, but the Texans are the only team that thought that a rookie would come in a be the #1 CB. The other dudes, except for McCourty (starting, but not seeing the total time of K. Jackson) are nickel type guys.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Really none of 5 first round corners:

Haden Browns
Jackson texans
McCourty Pats
Wilson Jets
Robinson saints

have actually played well, but the Texans are the only team that thought that a rookie would come in a be the #1 CB. The other dudes, except for McCourty (starting, but not seeing the total time of K. Jackson) are nickel type guys.
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Kyle Wilson started and was demoted, and then benched!
OK, never mind, I didn't read the "nickel" part.
 
76Texan said:
Kyle Wilson started and was demoted, and then benched!
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and if anything Ryan may have mentally been comparing Jackson starting versus Wilson not handling his job with a legitimate defense and really good other corners around.

That's my Texans' sunshine moment of the week.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
and if anything Ryan may have mentally been comparing Jackson starting versus Wilson not handling his job with a legitimate defense and really good other corners around.

That's my Texans' sunshine moment of the week.
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There you go!

I have been totally honest when I said if the other guys on defense (based on their tenure and where they were drafted or the money they got paid) played as compared as this rookie where he was drafted, this defense would have been better than they showed!

It sounded crazy when quite a few folks think that KJ suck.
It sounded crazy when I defended Chris Myers last year too!

I have no gripe but to keep on begging people to rewind each play and watch all the details as Bill Walsh always wishes that the football fans would do for the love of the game!
 
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