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Texans claim CB Jason Allen
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Well atleast they're trying.
Allen has played FS before.
Allen has played FS before.
jaayteetx
All Pro
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7290339.html
To make room, Barber placed on IR.
To make room, Barber placed on IR.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Pretty poorly.
Been watching the Dolphins for years, this guy isn't going to be any better than Jackson or Quin. He will beat out McCain though, or should, but that isn't saying much considering McCain is getting worked on almost every play.
FYI, the Dolphins claimed Al Harris and waived Jason Allen. Why can't we pick up Al Harris, instead of wait for a team to pick him up and take their castoff?
Al Harris is exactly what the Texans need, a veteran who has been a great player and could still be. Not a veteran who was never any good, see new Texan Jason Allen.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Pretty poorly.
Been watching the Dolphins for years, this guy isn't going to be any better than Jackson or Quin. He will beat out McCain though, or should, but that isn't saying much considering McCain is getting worked on almost every play.
FYI, the Dolphins claimed Al Harris and waived Jason Allen. Why can't we pick up Al Harris, instead of wait for a team to pick him up and take their castoff?
Al Harris is exactly what the Texans need, a veteran who has been a great player and could still be. Not a veteran who was never any good, see new Texan Jason Allen.
Because we signed Ahman Green and Rick & Gary looked bad as a result.
JWarren14
Beer Me
Pretty poorly.
Been watching the Dolphins for years, this guy isn't going to be any better than Jackson or Quin. He will beat out McCain though, or should, but that isn't saying much considering McCain is getting worked on almost every play.
FYI, the Dolphins claimed Al Harris and waived Jason Allen. Why can't we pick up Al Harris, instead of wait for a team to pick him up and take their castoff?
Al Harris is exactly what the Texans need, a veteran who has been a great player and could still be. Not a veteran who was never any good, see new Texan Jason Allen.
Are we ahead of Miami on Waivers? We have the same record, but better division record...
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Ahh, I see. Maybe with our stellar defensive coaching we can turn this "kid's" career around.
drewmar74
disgruntled
And this season started with such promise.....
painekiller
All Pro
My understanding was that Al Harris cleared waivers and was free to sign with anyone he wanted to. No one wanted to pick up Harris's 2+Million in salary was my understanding.
False Start
On # 69
Yup. Its sad to have to say that.
Lets see what he can do, hell he couldn't possibly be worse than what they have now....... can he?
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
Tried googling it, but all I got was week-old stuff about Randy Moss.
False Start
On # 69
After his first practice he will be served this as his first meal. Its what all the DBs eat, gotta be a team player.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
I'd like to welcome Jason Allen to our defense! Here's a sneak peak, Mr. Allen:
I'm fairly excited about this pick-up because we get to add another former first round draft pick into our defensive line-up! If draft positions were a fair indicator of a player's talent, we'd be unstoppable. Our arsenal of first rounders in this defense sure are abundant.
Anyways, earlier reports state that Jason Allen is constantly tested by opposing quarterbacks; he's also prone to slipping and is reportedly atrocious when it comes to zone defense due to his inability to read offenses. Tackling and man-defense are his forte. Kareem Jackson #2, anyone?
With that said, I'd like to give Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak some praise for attempting to patch-up our Swiss cheese/marshmallow defense. . . a couple weeks too late.
I'm fairly excited about this pick-up because we get to add another former first round draft pick into our defensive line-up! If draft positions were a fair indicator of a player's talent, we'd be unstoppable. Our arsenal of first rounders in this defense sure are abundant.
Anyways, earlier reports state that Jason Allen is constantly tested by opposing quarterbacks; he's also prone to slipping and is reportedly atrocious when it comes to zone defense due to his inability to read offenses. Tackling and man-defense are his forte. Kareem Jackson #2, anyone?
With that said, I'd like to give Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak some praise for attempting to patch-up our Swiss cheese/marshmallow defense. . . a couple weeks too late.
The same cant be said about the rest of the Texans Defense or lack there-of.
They are the one thing I can think of right now thats worse than Vista.
Yep
This explains why Harris wasn't picked up off waivers.
Kinda like why Pollard wasn't picked up off waivers and instead signed as a FA after week 2. Pollards contract last yr became non garunteed. Like Harris' is for the Dolphins this yr.
Goatcheese
Texan
When I saw the news flash that the Texans had signed Miami CB Allen I was really excited. Then I check and realized it was Jason Allen and not Will Allen and I died a little on the inside.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Browsing the Fins MBs, a summary would be:
*Good STer
*Punishing and solid tackler
*Prototype size and more than adequate speed (4.39 40)
*A player who makes some great plays............generously sprinkled with lapses of concentration leading to toast material
*Safety may be the better consideration (less need for complicated decision tree............but scary if "lapse" occurs as "line of last resort."
*Sabin screwed him up by constantly switching him back and forth from CB to S.
*Glad they're not facing the Texans...............with a new coaching staff, they would worry that they would be playing against the second coming of Nnamdi Asomugha.
*Good STer
*Punishing and solid tackler
*Prototype size and more than adequate speed (4.39 40)
*A player who makes some great plays............generously sprinkled with lapses of concentration leading to toast material
*Safety may be the better consideration (less need for complicated decision tree............but scary if "lapse" occurs as "line of last resort."
*Sabin screwed him up by constantly switching him back and forth from CB to S.
*Glad they're not facing the Texans...............with a new coaching staff, they would worry that they would be playing against the second coming of Nnamdi Asomugha.
brakos82
Yaters Gonna Yate.
After his first practice he will be served this as his first meal. Its what all the DBs eat, gotta be a team player.
LOL
This Allen move is the equivalent to scraping the back off the toast and putting jam on it. It tastes better but still tastes like burnt toast with jam.
GNTLEWOLF
Rookie
I see this as a PR move to calm the fans. The idea here being that they can say that the at least tried to make an improvement. also if they don't get significantly better, then they can feel good that the "staying with what they had " move was the right one all along and trying the free agency thing never works. This will of course be all that some fans need to say..."well see they tried to make an improvement" ...and " no team ever improves with free agents."
The upshot here is this is all part and parcell of the job saving move. No real progress made. No wins produced, but it looks like they are trying on paper.
The upshot here is this is all part and parcell of the job saving move. No real progress made. No wins produced, but it looks like they are trying on paper.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
That was the word on Zeirlein's Twitter page yesterday. He said the Texans were going after Harris pretty hard.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Since this was announced I've been wondering if he might end up being useful. We've sent players to other teams who ended up performing. Even Phillip Buchanon is still kicking around the league and having a good game now and then for the Redskins.
It's not like nobody ever turned their careers around after being given up on.
This guy just might surprise us. He probably won't and I think it's safest to assume nothing. No sense getting our hopes up. It's not entirely impossible though that he might help.
It's not like nobody ever turned their careers around after being given up on.
This guy just might surprise us. He probably won't and I think it's safest to assume nothing. No sense getting our hopes up. It's not entirely impossible though that he might help.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
From what I remember, and this is purely off memory, Jason Allen was Saban's first pick in the NFL draft. I remember that Saban tried to find a role for him on a pretty horrible defense and the guy really stood out by making poor plays. It was the first thing that really went wrong for Saban in Miami.
Goatcheese
Texan
You're reading way too much into this. He was claimed because Barber went on IR and they needed a body. They felt he was the best they could get at the moment.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Sounds so much like the political world it's scary.
I don't think that's what they are trying to do. I think they want to have a young team that they can build with so they go for young players, regardless of skill level. Brice McCain was a 7th rounder out of Utah with great measurables. He was relatively untested last year playing in a reduced roll. For some reason, the Texans come out this season and act like this guy is ready to be a starter or something with the way they've handled the cornerback situation. Not only is McCain young and not ready to be a nickel back but they also have 2 starters that are equally if not younger than McCain. The #4 cornerback is a rookie, and #5 has never been healthy for an entire season, or wait was he healthy for his rookie season? Doesn't matter because he saw zero meaningful time at cornerback.
I think Rick and Gary aren't interested in making big moves in free agency unless they absolutely steal the player. They've had a few bad free agent signings in the past, and their handling of the cornerback situation this year is proof enough. Everybody was talking about Dunta last year, but what about Reeves. Reeves played better (edit: at first I wrote more games :/, tired) than Dunta last year and fit more into what the Texans were going for and they still refused to resign him. I was all for letting Dunta go but when we didn't resign Reeves I was befuddled.
Jason Allen is like a lottery ticket. The guy had promise coming out of college, but has proven to be a mistake prone player at a position(s) where that isn't acceptable. Maybe he turns it on one day, maybe he plays well for 8 games and can save Kubiak's job (Pollard anyone?). Whatever he's cheap and young, why not?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I'll take it.
Mean Machine
Waterboy
I like this pick up.
THis guy is young and sometimes getting cut is that WAKE UP call some of these guys need to get their act together.
He was a 1st rounder so he obviously has talent, and maybe , just maybe he can prove he was worth that 1st round pick back in '06.
I feel the same way about Anderson on the def line. I would rather pick up young guys who MAY have a an upside, rather than somebody on the way down.
GO TEXANS!
THis guy is young and sometimes getting cut is that WAKE UP call some of these guys need to get their act together.
He was a 1st rounder so he obviously has talent, and maybe , just maybe he can prove he was worth that 1st round pick back in '06.
I feel the same way about Anderson on the def line. I would rather pick up young guys who MAY have a an upside, rather than somebody on the way down.
GO TEXANS!
At least we didn't give up multiple picks to get him (Pburnt experience)
Thats improvement from the casserly era. We get washed up first round DBs who will probably perform even worse here than on the team that originally didn't want them, but now we get them for free.
DBs that come here midseason always seem to play really really well for the season they join and then fall off the face of the Earth. Lets hope Allen proves to be part of the trend for at least this season
Thats improvement from the casserly era. We get washed up first round DBs who will probably perform even worse here than on the team that originally didn't want them, but now we get them for free.
DBs that come here midseason always seem to play really really well for the season they join and then fall off the face of the Earth. Lets hope Allen proves to be part of the trend for at least this season
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
For all those crying about why we didn't get Al Harris..1st of all, the texans went after him pretty hard..or at least that's the word. 2nd, the guy was coming off a major knee injury & it's not even known what the guy will look like. 3rd, he's got family in miami & he wanted to go there & in that regard case closed.
For all the talk about getting a veteran in to help the young kids at cb, some of us sure are picky. What the hell did you think we'd be able to get at the mid point in the season Darrelle Revis? Sure the guy has had his share of issues, but i'm sure some thought the same thing about pollard when we picked him up off the street last year.
At the end of the day, I doubt Allen can be any worse than what we've ran with for 8 games & gotten torched with. If he makes even 1 or 2 more plays a game that our secondary wasn't making before, he's gonna be an improvement.
For all the talk about getting a veteran in to help the young kids at cb, some of us sure are picky. What the hell did you think we'd be able to get at the mid point in the season Darrelle Revis? Sure the guy has had his share of issues, but i'm sure some thought the same thing about pollard when we picked him up off the street last year.
At the end of the day, I doubt Allen can be any worse than what we've ran with for 8 games & gotten torched with. If he makes even 1 or 2 more plays a game that our secondary wasn't making before, he's gonna be an improvement.
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If the Texans truly wanted Harris they could have gooten him by simply putting in a waiver claim on him and taken on his contract.
The fact that they didn't do this says
1. They really didn't want Harris.
2. They wanted to pick up Harris witout taking on his existing contract.
I like the Allen pickup BTW. He's young and cant be any worse than what we've seen through the 1st eight weeks of the season.
There is the answer. Nobody in the NFL wanted to pay 3 million for old age and bad knees. Not going to kill them for passing on that gamble. More pissed that they did not have a true plan B for 2 rookies and 2 second year corners.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Didn't want to start another negative thread. This is just ugly
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx
Well, they needed to do something to calm the fans and media down. Doubt he'll be of much use because Kubiak is hell bent on keeping his "young" secondary, but, he at least did something to pacify the fans. Just a "front" IMHO, but, I'll try to think positive.
I'm thinking it's probably more of a health issue, most likely with Molden.
They say they have high hopes on him, but he can't even get on the field.
nero THE zero
All Pro
drewmar74
disgruntled
Yeah. That's really, really super bad.
I wonder if they'll continue to start him.... Of course, I don't know who else they could trot out there, but damn. That's bad.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Nah, we'll continue to draft defense and continue to be the worst in the NFL.