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To The Kubiak Supporters Who Love Numbers So Much...

DexmanC

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Kubiak's Record against teams with winning records: 8-22

Kubiak's Record against the AFC South: 8-18

Both sets of numbers indicate Kubiak to be a total failure as a head coach;
however, they are equally important when determining playoff berths.

This regime has been a colossal failure so far, and the NFL didn't schedule
enough "little sisters of the poor" to hide it in 2010. This is a 6-10, 5-11 type
season, now that there are no ways to "pad the stats."

The Colts game was illustrative of the causes of those records, and the rest of
our opponents are JUST the type of teams the Texans rarely (if ever) beat.
 
Well at least Kubiak "job-saving" mode will begin next week if we lose to the Chargers...he usually seems to coach well when he has to. :kubepalm:
 
I'm not in the Fire Kubiak club yet as proven by my statements on here.

I am also not in the "all is well" camp either as I have been one of the harshest critics of this team so far this year. (Had to put the disclaimer out there :tiphat: )

I will say though that it is somewhat funny that we still have a winning record but are ready to blow it up. I understand why though, this defense blows (Indy game was not that bad TK I know that, but rest of games have been horrid on D) and the playcalling/scheming and just everything offensively for Indy blew burro juevos.

It just sux that we have a 4-3 team but we know that chances are it's not gonna last and we need to start getting ready to rebuild.... :(

This must be what being a Philadelphia area fan is like....... I refuse to throw batteries damnit!
 
Wow, damning. Winning Monday would have gone a long way towards a culture change. He is a ****ing loser. This is from a guy who has been a big supporter.
 
HTown2ATX said:
I will say though that it is somewhat funny that we still have a winning record but are ready to blow it up.
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I don't think anything needs to be "blown up". This team does not need to be rebuilt. It just needs someone that can get the most out of all the talent here (tweak some things) and bring in a winning/tougher attitude.

I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I don't think anything needs to be "blown up". This team does not need to be rebuilt. It just needs someone that can get the most out of all the talent here (tweak some things) and bring in a winning/tougher attitude.

I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
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This is my first time to jump on the Cowher wagon :cow:

one: will improve the defense
two: will run the ball more
 
Hookem Horns said:
I don't think anything needs to be "blown up". This team does not need to be rebuilt. It just needs someone that can get the most out of all the talent here (tweak some things) and bring in a winning/tougher attitude.

I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
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There would be a change over on D (doesn't Cowher like to run the 3-4?) If so that is not immediate. Even with a 4-3, if he sticks to that, the guys on D would have to actually, you know, learn how to ACTUALLY play D in a 4-3 = time :kubepalm: :)

The o-line is not what he would want for a power run game IMO. I think the trenches and overall Defensive scheme would take a little time. So, no, I'm not implying a 2005-esque rebuild or an Astros type "blow up" but something that I would still see as not immediate. However, they will probably at least play like they don't wear Junior XSm jock straps........

Also, overall I see him as out the door and will support that when the time comes (anything less than 10 wins in my mind) but I wanna give it the rest of the season before I sport the soap. But as I said in that original post, I'm definitely not on the "supporting Kubiak" side right now.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I don't think anything needs to be "blown up". This team does not need to be rebuilt. It just needs someone that can get the most out of all the talent here (tweak some things) and bring in a winning/tougher attitude.

I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
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That's where I'm coming from. Kubiak and Smith have put together a nice team. We're a few pieces shy of the whole package but we've got talent here and some depth. What we don't have is coaching that can reach these players. They may like Gary and want to win for him but they clearly aren't getting whatever it takes to make them execute on game day. That they can look good at times on both sides of the ball says to me that they're talented and that the systems they are running are not completely without merit.

They're just losing against good teams despite that fact.
 
That is just terrible. Awful awful awful.

With that said, I did some of my own calculations just for the hell of it. And because I am a Kubiak supporter that loves stats. ;) lol

Kubiak against Teams with Winning Records:
2006-2009 (full seasons only): 8-18 (31% winning pct)
2006 to date: 10-22 (31%)
2006: 1-5 (16.67%)
2007: 2-7 (22%)
2008: 3-6 (33%)
2009: 2-4 (33%)
2010: 2-2 (50%)

Interestingly enough, we have witnessed progress each season.

Next I took out the Texans games from our opponents W/L column to see if we had any significant effect on their overall outcome.

Kubiak against Teams with Winning Records (excl. Texans games):
2006-2009 (full seasons only): 11-22 (33% winning pct)
2006 to date: 15-24 (38%)
2006: 3-5 (37%)
2007: 2-7 (22%)
2008: 3-6 (33%)
2009: 3-4 (43%)
2010: 4-2 (66%)
 
HTown2ATX said:
There would be a change over on D (doesn't Cowher like to run the 3-4?) If so that is not immediate. Even with a 4-3, if he sticks to that, the guys on D would have to actually, you know, learn how to ACTUALLY play D in a 4-3 = time :kubepalm: :)

The o-line is not what he would want for a power run game IMO. I think the trenches and overall Defensive scheme would take a little time. So, no, I'm not implying a 2005-esque rebuild or an Astros type "blow up" but something that I would still see as not immediate. However, they will probably at least play like they don't wear Junior XSm jock straps........

Also, overall I see him as out the door and will support that when the time comes (anything less than 10 wins in my mind) but I wanna give it the rest of the season before I sport the soap. But as I said in that original post, I'm definitely not on the "supporting Kubiak" side right now.
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You're worried that implementing a 3-4 might make us...worse than 32nd ranked? :um:

A complete overhaul of our defense could not make them any worse than they are at this point, and I'd argue that someone like Cowher would make them better just by instilling the right attitude and attention to fundamentals.

I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he's cut out for this head coaching job, but that being said, he's our coach so let's see how the rest of this 4-3 season plays out. If we should beat the Chargers, we'd be 5-3 and I'm sure every Texans fan would have been happy with that record at the start of the season. And Kubiak's teams have traditionally finished the season strong, so there is still hope that this season is successful.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel at this point, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders, either. I'll call it like I see it, praise where/when it's due, and criticize when/where, as well.
 
Double Barrel said:
You're worried that implementing a 3-4 might make us...worse than 32nd ranked? :um:

A complete overhaul of our defense could not make them any worse than they are at this point, and I'd argue that someone like Cowher would make them better just by instilling the right attitude and attention to fundamentals.

I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he's cut out for this head coaching job, but that being said, he's our coach so let's see how the rest of this 4-3 season plays out. If we should beat the Chargers, we'd be 5-3 and I'm sure every Texans fan would have been happy with that record at the start of the season. And Kubiak's teams have traditionally finished the season strong, so there is still hope that this season is successful.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel at this point, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders, either. I'll call it like I see it, praise where/when it's due, and criticize when/where, as well.
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Maybe Ole Miss Numbers can crunch that, but my observation tells me
the last 4 games of the Texans' "strong finishes" are smoke-n-mirrors.

They were all against struggling teams, or teams that had clinched playoff
berths, and were resting key players. There was no sense of urgency for
the Texans' opponents, thus it was all something the Texans' Marketing
Department continually propagates ast "progress." I call "BULL$lksjsldasd;"
 
Double Barrel said:
You're worried that implementing a 3-4 might make us...worse than 32nd ranked? :um:

A complete overhaul of our defense could not make them any worse than they are at this point, and I'd argue that someone like Cowher would make them better just by instilling the right attitude and attention to fundamentals.

I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he's cut out for this head coaching job, but that being said, he's our coach so let's see how the rest of this 4-3 season plays out. If we should beat the Chargers, we'd be 5-3 and I'm sure every Texans fan would have been happy with that record at the start of the season. And Kubiak's teams have traditionally finished the season strong, so there is still hope that this season is successful.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel at this point, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders, either. I'll call it like I see it, praise where/when it's due, and criticize when/where, as well.
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Couldn't have said it better, DB. I've never been a fan of whacking a coach during the season. I'm severely disappointed in his coaching thus far, but willing to see how this season pays itself out.
 
I wonder how many of those teams with winning records are teams that play smash mouth football as opposed to Kubiak's finesse play?
 
Double Barrel said:
You're worried that implementing a 3-4 might make us...worse than 32nd ranked? :um:

A complete overhaul of our defense could not make them any worse than they are at this point, and I'd argue that someone like Cowher would make them better just by instilling the right attitude and attention to fundamentals.

I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he's cut out for this head coaching job, but that being said, he's our coach so let's see how the rest of this 4-3 season plays out. If we should beat the Chargers, we'd be 5-3 and I'm sure every Texans fan would have been happy with that record at the start of the season. And Kubiak's teams have traditionally finished the season strong, so there is still hope that this season is successful.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel at this point, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders, either. I'll call it like I see it, praise where/when it's due, and criticize when/where, as well.
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I agree. Still a lot of football left and I am not calling for any heads just yet. I am not a bucket of sunshine either. Nothing will happen until the offseason anyway. We need to hope for the best but plan for the worst.

Unfortunately I think we go some around 8-8......again.
 
patience soapers....patience if Kubiak;s led team doesnt make the playoffs then you have a bone to pick until then...patience
 
spurstexanstros said:
patience soapers....patience if Kubiak;s led team doesnt make the playoffs then you have a bone to pick until then...patience
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We have a bone to pick now, because of what we see on the field.
The way they are playing is good enough to beat bad-to-average teams,
but against the gauntlet of championship contenders we face, it'll get
us slaughtered.

The Texans didn't lose a "what if" game. They played EXACTLY as they
had in SIX of SEVEN games, and against the playoff teams, it'll get
ya smashed. The defense is a sieve, and the offense folds when hit
hard. We've got plenty bones to pick, right now.
 
I'm not ready to throw in the towel. But I'm reserving judgement for the next few games. Right now it's not loooking good.

I cant belive that some of the MB members dont believe that a defense that's ranked 32 are fretting over how this defense will play if it's rebuilt by a guy like Cowher.

It's got to look better than the last place defense that is currently in place.

My biggest problem with the Smithiak regime is they aren't tough enough in the trenches. Until this gets corrected this will continue to be a 6-10,10-6 team with no chance of making noise in the playoffs. If they ever get there.

They need to get tougher wether it be under Smithiak or whoever the new regime is.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm not ready to throw in the towel. But I'm reserving judgement for the next few games. Right now it's not loooking good.

I cant belive that some of the MB members dont believe that a defense that's ranked 32 are fretting over how this defense will play if it's rebuilt by a guy like Cowher.

It's got to look better than the last place defense that is currently in place.

My biggest problem with the Smithiak regime is they aren't tough enough in the trenches. Until this gets corrected this will continue to be a 6-10,10-6 team with no chance of making noise in the playoffs. If they ever get there.

They need to get tougher wether it be under Smithiak or whoever the new regime is.
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It's not about size, either. The Titans have a line composed of canned
hams, but they are coached up to a point where they dominate the
line on both sides of the ball. This is a mental hole in the Texans' regime.
The current coaching staff has proven inept in this category.
 
HTown2ATX said:
There would be a change over on D (doesn't Cowher like to run the 3-4?) If so that is not immediate. Even with a 4-3, if he sticks to that, the guys on D would have to actually, you know, learn how to ACTUALLY play D in a 4-3 = time :kubepalm: :)

The o-line is not what he would want for a power run game IMO. I think the trenches and overall Defensive scheme would take a little time. So, no, I'm not implying a 2005-esque rebuild or an Astros type "blow up" but something that I would still see as not immediate. However, they will probably at least play like they don't wear Junior XSm jock straps........

Also, overall I see him as out the door and will support that when the time comes (anything less than 10 wins in my mind) but I wanna give it the rest of the season before I sport the soap. But as I said in that original post, I'm definitely not on the "supporting Kubiak" side right now.
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Agreed but I do think Cower could run this 4-3 but would make some changes. I prefer a more drive the D back rather than ZBS. I am quickly running out of patience with Gary but I still support him. He needs to start his "win for the coach" this week.
 
spurstexanstros said:
patience soapers....patience if Kubiak;s led team doesnt make the playoffs then you have a bone to pick until then...patience
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Oh my young grasshopper, as you get older, wiser, you will learn this about some people: Some people aren't happy unless they're bitching and moaning and starting redundant threads all to spew the same redundant crap..over and over and over and over and over...

Come to think about it, was talking about soapers or my ex?? :thinking:
 
Texan_Bill said:
Oh my young grasshopper, as you get older, wiser, you will learn this about some people: Some people aren't happy unless they're bitching and moaning and starting redundant threads all to spew the same redundant crap..over and over and over and over and over...

Come to think about it, was talking about soapers or my ex?? :thinking:
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32nd ranked defense. Can't get any worse?

Sure as heck we can. We're giving up 28.1 points per game. That's 29th in the league... I don't care if that was 32nd in the league though for arguements sake. If we stay the 32nd ranked defense (thats measured by yards) but our defense allows one less TD per game, that would put us middle of the pack in PPG. That's huge improvement.

If we give up less yards per game and jump to the middle of the pack but we're still giving up 28, 29, 30 points per game.... that IS worse. That's much more losses than we have.

Look at San Diego. They're #1 in Defense because that's measured by yards allowed. But they're 19th in allowing points. In SD's case, I think it's their offense that is distorting their defense's numbers, for better or worse. Although the Chargers are #1 in offense (the magical yards ranking), they are 30th in turnover ratio. They've had 19 turnovers. That means opposing offenses have had less to travel to score their points. Makes their defense look better than they may actually be.

If the 2nd half of the season their offense stops turning the ball, opposing teams will have to travel more, their yards allowed will likely increase, their defensive ranking will fall and everyone will be wonder why SD's defense got worse. When in fact it may have nothing to do with their defense.

You can't just look at one ranking of 32nd and think that's the bottom point. It could get a lot worse than that. I'd gladly give up yards and yards and yards, be ranked 32nd, but if we're forcing turnovers in the red zone or holding teams to FGs, that gives us a much better shot at winning games. That's another problem we're having those is not getting to the QB and forcing TOs.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I don't think anything needs to be "blown up". This team does not need to be rebuilt. It just needs someone that can get the most out of all the talent here (tweak some things) and bring in a winning/tougher attitude.

I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
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beerlover said:
This is my first time to jump on the Cowher wagon :cow:

one: will improve the defense
two: will run the ball more
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I guess its time for the new campaign sig:

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Put me on the Cowher bandwagon if there is room. The only way Kubiak is going to win back my personal support as him for a Head coach is if we finish this season strong...As in lose only 1-3 games from here on out.

Wins against teams like the Ravens and Jets would also help. Sorry,i'm tired of the team being mediocre. If the ownership accepts average then average is what we'll get. It's about time this team goes to that next level.
 
DexmanC said:
Maybe Ole Miss Numbers can crunch that, but my observation tells me
the last 4 games of the Texans' "strong finishes" are smoke-n-mirrors.

They were all against struggling teams, or teams that had clinched playoff
berths, and were resting key players. There was no sense of urgency for
the Texans' opponents, thus it was all something the Texans' Marketing
Department continually propagates ast "progress." I call "BULL$lksjsldasd;"
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Perhaps, man...I don't disagree with you and tend to lean with your perspective...I'm just trying to find something positive to hang our hats on since we still have 9 games left and they still have a winning record...for the moment, at least...although most of those 9 games are against some tough opponents...

HOU-TEX said:
Couldn't have said it better, DB. I've never been a fan of whacking a coach during the season. I'm severely disappointed in his coaching thus far, but willing to see how this season pays itself out.
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No doubt about disappointment, especially after the last game. Even Joe Texan is expressing doubt, so you know Kubiak has effed up!

Hardcore Texan said:
I agree. Still a lot of football left and I am not calling for any heads just yet. I am not a bucket of sunshine either. Nothing will happen until the offseason anyway. We need to hope for the best but plan for the worst.

Unfortunately I think we go some around 8-8......again.
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I tend to agree about 8-8...maybe 9-7 if they "finish strong"...just good enough to keep Kubiak's job...*sigh*

spurstexanstros said:
patience soapers....patience if Kubiak;s led team doesnt make the playoffs then you have a bone to pick until then...patience
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Lots and lots of patience, for sure, because I think there is the very real potential for another 8-8 or 9-7 season, which means yet another year of Kubiak and lots and lots of patience...
 
Double Barrel said:
You're worried that implementing a 3-4 might make us...worse than 32nd ranked? :um:

A complete overhaul of our defense could not make them any worse than they are at this point, and I'd argue that someone like Cowher would make them better just by instilling the right attitude and attention to fundamentals.

I'm not a Kubiak fan, but I don't hate the guy. I don't think he's cut out for this head coaching job, but that being said, he's our coach so let's see how the rest of this 4-3 season plays out. If we should beat the Chargers, we'd be 5-3 and I'm sure every Texans fan would have been happy with that record at the start of the season. And Kubiak's teams have traditionally finished the season strong, so there is still hope that this season is successful.

I'm not ready to throw in the towel at this point, but that doesn't mean I'm wearing blinders, either. I'll call it like I see it, praise where/when it's due, and criticize when/where, as well.
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I never said it would make us worse. I just said that it would take some time to install and run properly which was in response to Hookem saying it may not take too long to turn the keys over to someone else. Never said it would be worse.

I think we're on the same boat though for the most part. I am all for booting Kubes should we win less than 10 games.
 
DexmanC said:
This is a 6-10, 5-11 type
season, now that there are no ways to "pad the stats."
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Just to be clear, you are saying this is a 6-10 team at best. If we get 7 wins, we would have exceeded what you thought this team/coach is capable of?

Is that correct?
DexmanC said:
The Texans didn't lose a "what if" game. They played EXACTLY as they
had in SIX of SEVEN games, and against the playoff teams, it'll get
ya smashed. The defense is a sieve, and the offense folds when hit
hard. We've got plenty bones to pick, right now.
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This sieve of a defense allowed the Colts 23 points... 4 points more than what KC allowed. But you had good words for KC's defense, or do I have that wrong?

The offense folded after it was hit hard.... when did they hit us hard, was that before or after the two TDs we scored to open the third Qtr? Was it after that last drive that started on our 4 yards line, but ended on their 18?

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HTown2ATX said:
There would be a change over on D (doesn't Cowher like to run the 3-4?) If so that is not immediate. Even with a 4-3, if he sticks to that, the guys on D would have to actually, you know, learn how to ACTUALLY play D in a 4-3 = time :kubepalm: :)
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Well what a scary thought. God forbid the worst defense in the league gets an overhaul. Lol!! I can't believe you could sit here and say that this defense couldn't use an overhaul, a change of scheme, or a complete mix up. Who cares if the Texans created an entirely different scheme called the 2-5. We've never had a good defense under Kubiak and we flat out stink. We're a perfect example of a defense that "needs" an overhaul.
 
thunderkyss said:
Just to be clear, you are saying this is a 6-10 team at best. If we get 7 wins, we would have exceeded what you thought this team/coach is capable of?

Is that correct?


This sieve of a defense allowed the Colts 23 points... 4 points more than what KC allowed. But you had good words for KC's defense, or do I have that wrong?

The offense folded after it was hit hard.... when did they hit us hard, was that before or after the two TDs we scored to open the third Qtr? Was it after that last drive that started on our 4 yards line, but ended on their 18?

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I'm waiting on Kubiak to SURPRISE me. We've gotten over 4 full seasons
of near-perfect .500 ball. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. This is a 5-11, 6-10 SEASON.
The TEAM is CAPABLE of much more, but the COACHING is SUB-PAR.


....bolded for clarity.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well what a scary thought. God forbid the worst defense in the league gets an overhaul. Lol!! I can't believe you could sit here and say that this defense couldn't use an overhaul, a change of scheme, or a complete mix up. Who cares if the Texans created an entirely different scheme called the 2-5. We've never had a good defense under Kubiak and we flat out stink. We're a perfect example of a defense that "needs" an overhaul.
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:kubepalm:

:gun:

Never did I say that it would be a bad thing. Please read what that was in response to for context. Please also see in many, many, many threads about our Defense I have been as harsh as anyone on them. Seriously.

:kubepalm:

I have been as vocal as anyone about this Defense sucking balls. Been going round and round more than once with people who defend it.

Hookem said that the team would be quick to respond to a new coach and win immediately. My only response was that it may not be that quick.

Is changing schemes quick? No.

That is the sum total of what I said when in context.

:)
 
Hookem Horns said:
I think a good coach can come here and immediately take this team to the playoffs the first season. That is why it was rumored that Cowher would be interested in this job because of the talent that he would have to work with. He felt he could win instantly without being involved in a rebuild project.
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HTown2ATX said:
There would be a change over on D (doesn't Cowher like to run the 3-4?) If so that is not immediate. Even with a 4-3, if he sticks to that, the guys on D would have to actually, you know, learn how to ACTUALLY play D in a 4-3 = time
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And here is just one example of something I said about our D after the Chiefs game found here.. (this was in response to someone else)

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1554407#post1554407

HTown2ATX said:
You're right. This siv like defense is getting effing old.

You really think if we played a good team we win yesterday playing like that (no, the Chiefs are not good......I'll call them good if they make the playoffs...as of now for all we know they are the 2009 Broncos. Hell, we let the Raiders back in the game when we played them.)

We play like that on MNF against Colts we win huh?

Think we win in December/January with crap like that??

Good luck man lol...

For me, personally, I'm done being satisfied with mediocrity and moral victories and a "w is a w" mentality. Guess some of us are in the minority of expecting more....
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Another little gem....

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76588&page=2

Feel free to scroll through that to see me grill this crapfest D and this is only one thread out of a few I have flushed them down the toilet in.

So yes, in summation our D SUCKS. I hate this D and want something done about it but the simple fact is that it will not be overnight which we should all know.

I am basically just lamenting the fact that, IMO, the defense needs to be rebuilt....problem is it was never "built" so it's frustrating.

I rest my case.
 
HTown2ATX said:
:kubepalm:

:gun:

Never did I say that it would be a bad thing. Please read what that was in response to for context. Please also see in many, many, many threads about our Defense I have been as harsh as anyone on them. Seriously.

:kubepalm:

I have been as vocal as anyone about this Defense sucking balls. Been going round and round more than once with people who defend it.

Hookem said that the team would be quick to respond to a new coach and win immediately. My only response was that it may not be that quick.

Is changing schemes quick? No.

That is the sum total of what I said when in context.

:)
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A scheme change can certainly change quickly. It all just depends on what pieces you currently have that would be effective in a 3-4 or a 4-3 if you were changing to that. There are a lot of players around the league that have skill sets that favor both. A lot of times it just depends on the DC and the position coaches that are running their scheme and how effective they are with the personal. I've seen plenty of teams improve their defense real fast in certain situations. You can do it in one off season if your GM finds the right guys that can fill missed holes in your unit.

RIght now the Texans just need a change on their defense. Any kind of change. IF we switched to a 3-4, what would it matter at this point? Could we get any worse? Possibly, but we just need a new coach that can implement his scheme period and one that will force either Mcnair or Smith's hand to finally legitamitely fill some holes on defense for a change in the off season. We've ignored the secondary for years and I've ranted about it on and on and over and over. I did all off season, and got fried for it from some people that felt our defense was actually good last season. Our secondary was pathetic last season and I don't even have a word that describes the current secondary. Our pass rush is a mythical illusion to say the least as well. A scheme change could possibly be a great thing at the rate we've been at. I'm not saying it's what I want, but if we get a new DC next season I'll roll with whatever he wants if he's the right guy that knows what he's doing.
 
Texecutioner said:
A scheme change can certainly change quickly. It all just depends on what pieces you currently have that would be effective in a 3-4 or a 4-3 if you were changing to that. There are a lot of players around the league that have skill sets that favor both. A lot of times it just depends on the DC and the position coaches that are running their scheme and how effective they are with the personal. I've seen plenty of teams improve their defense real fast in certain situations. You can do it in one off season if your GM finds the right guys that can fill missed holes in your unit.

RIght now the Texans just need a change on their defense. Any kind of change. IF we switched to a 3-4, what would it matter at this point? Could we get any worse? Possibly, but we just need a new coach that can implement his scheme period and one that will force either Mcnair or Smith's hand to finally legitamitely fill some holes on defense for a change in the off season.
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Dude, somehow we are not connecting. I never mentioned that I am worried about us getting worse...........

Where did I say that???

I want to win now and it sucks that this is happening and YES, changing schemes coiuld possibly take some time.

This is all I'm saying. The D blows so bad they may as well stay off the field I get that. I never said I am worried about it somehow getting worse.

I just wish we didn't have to "potentially" have to spend another year fixing it.

I made my second post while you must have been typing so check that out as I think it helps illustrate my point more. :)

I'm killing time at my second job posting all this. Isn't easy as crap PT paycheck earning fun. :tiphat:
 
HTown2ATX said:
Dude, somehow we are not connecting. I never mentioned that I am worried about us getting worse...........

Where did I say that???

I want to win now and it sucks that this is happening and YES, changing schemes coiuld possibly take some time.

This is all I'm saying. The D blows so bad they may as well stay off the field I get that. I never said I am worried about it somehow getting worse.

I just wish we didn't have to "potentially" have to spend another year fixing it.
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The Rockets didn't lose season ticket holders when they decided to rebuild.
Reason is, the organization was HONEST about the situation, and gave
the fans the OPTION to ride with the process. The Astros LIED about
rebuilding, and spent a half-season with empty seats. When the
youngsters took over the team, they started selling out again.

Bottom line, rebuilding isn't so bad. When the organization lies about
the process, then it becomes a real drag.
 
Hervoyel said:
That's where I'm coming from. Kubiak and Smith have put together a nice team. We're a few pieces shy of the whole package but we've got talent here and some depth. What we don't have is coaching that can reach these players. They may like Gary and want to win for him but they clearly aren't getting whatever it takes to make them execute on game day. That they can look good at times on both sides of the ball says to me that they're talented and that the systems they are running are not completely without merit.

They're just losing against good teams despite that fact.
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Where are we shy at? Where have the Texans not deovted draft picks and money? We have much more $$ invested in the 32nd ranked defense than offense. The O is producing, most of the time. The D would have a hard time stopping a top 25 NCAA team. Mario Williams? Close to a bust. He brings it sometimes. Okoye? The only bust he will see is next to Travis Johnson. It won't be in the HOF. Ryans? The D sucked when he was healthy. Since he was drafted. Cushing? Steroids are a helluva game changer. Not quite so DROY in '10. CB? I've seen sponges with fewer holes.
We are in far worse shape than you guys are making us out to be. We are next to salary cap hell and we can just hope that the Texans FO will make the proper moves st the proper time. The O is doing much more with less. Can that be blamed on an O minded coach? Yes. Maybe Kubes lacks the balls to hire a DC with as much or more coaching experience as he has. McNair has invested way too much $$ on the D side of the ball to see the results he is seeing.
I've always been a Kubiak supporter, but I'm starting to feel a soap bar coming my way.
 
HTown2ATX said:
I am basically just lamenting the fact that, IMO, the defense needs to be rebuilt....problem is it was never "built" so it's frustrating.

I rest my case.
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Never built?

Mario Williams #1
Amobi Okoye #10
Brian Cushing #15
Kareem Jackson #25

2nd round guys are Ryans, Barwin with ASmith as a big F/A sign...I mean there are A LOT of things you can say about this defense but that they never tried to build it is wrong.

Rebuilt is in the right direction, I'll give you that but this is like having good legos pieced together in a weird fashion. We need a better lego builder.

And a real safety....

Look how the big time D's are built....3/4's Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Polamalu....Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Reed...Jenkins, Scott, Revis...

The Texans have tried a similar tactic of having a superstar at every level of D...Mario/Okoye on the line, Ryans/Cushing at backer, Jackson/Pollard in the back...problem is-none of these guys play like the units mentioned prior.
 
TimeKiller said:
Never built?

Mario Williams #1
Amobi Okoye #10
Brian Cushing #15
Kareem Jackson #25

2nd round guys are Ryans, Barwin with ASmith as a big F/A sign...I mean there are A LOT of things you can say about this defense but that they never tried to build it is wrong.

Rebuilt is in the right direction, I'll give you that but this is like having good legos pieced together in a weird fashion. We need a better lego builder.

And a real safety....

Look how the big time D's are built....3/4's Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Polamalu....Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Reed...Jenkins, Scott, Revis...

The Texans have tried a similar tactic of having a superstar at every level of D...Mario/Okoye on the line, Ryans/Cushing at backer, Jackson/Pollard in the back...problem is-none of these guys play like the units mentioned prior.
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@ Dexman - never said that this would effect sales or fan passion.

@TimeKiller - never built as in never became a CONSISTENT defense year in and year out despite alllllllll the picks you named. And if a coach changes schemes, hence rebuild the defense, some of the 4-3 shceme players may not work in a 3-4 correct?

Am I typing in some jacked up way somehow? I'm sober, how am I not expressing this??

I seriously am re-reading my posts for invisible ink that I must have typed that I can't see.....

I never said or implied any of what is being said in response to it......

wow

:kubepalm:
 
The fourth largest city in the country ranked 19th in NBA attendance with an average of 16,528 (last season), which is about 91 almost 92% of capacity (which, meh, ain't all that bad). The Astros, as bad as they sucked, ranked 16th in the MLB with an average of 28,783, which is about 70% capacity.


The Texans, so far this seaon rank 8th in attendance, with an average of 71,116 or 100.1% of capacity..
 
Texan_Bill said:
The fourth largest city in the country ranked 19th in NBA attendance with an average of 16,528 (last season), which is about 91 almost 92% of capacity (which, meh, ain't all that bad). The Astros, as bad as they sucked, ranked 16th in the MLB with an average of 28,783, which is about 70% capacity.


The Texans, so far this seaon rank 8th in attendance, with an average of 71,116 or 100.1% of capacity..
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Damn Texans! Always screwing up the numbers! :pissed:
 
W-L % wise we have been steadily growing

Overall the Kubes era is much better then the Capers era thats why Bob Kept Kubes around

we will see how this season goes tho we better get 10 or 11 wins
 
DexmanC said:
I'm waiting on Kubiak to SURPRISE me. We've gotten over 4 full seasons
of near-perfect .500 ball. NOT GOOD ENOUGH. This is a 5-11, 6-10 SEASON.
The TEAM is CAPABLE of much more, but the COACHING is SUB-PAR.


....bolded for clarity.
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It would have been much easier for you to say you don't believe this coach can do better than 6 games this year.

I think you're crazy. We've already got 4 wins. Philly, Denver, Titans(x2), Jags(x2)....... & I think we'll beat the Jets (it's more like hope now)..... You're crazy.
 
TimeKiller said:
Never built?

Look how the big time D's are built....3/4's Hampton, Harrison, Woodley, Polamalu....Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Reed...Jenkins, Scott, Revis...

The Texans have tried a similar tactic of having a superstar at every level of D...Mario/Okoye on the line, Ryans/Cushing at backer, Jackson/Pollard in the back...problem is-none of these guys play like the units mentioned prior.
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Let's take Palamalu off the Steelers D, & see how they do. Let's take Ed Reed off the Ravens D, & see how they do. Let's take Jenkins off the Jets D, & see how they do.

Cushing was gone for 4 games..... He played 6 Qtrs before we lost Demeco.

Sunday was our first game without the defensive leader & while there are a lot of things that need to be fixed on defense...... Indy's offense has been held to 24 or fewer points 3 times this season.

Twice by the Houston Texans.

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thunderkyss said:
Let's take Ed Reed off the Ravens D, & see how they do.
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He's been on the bench almost all season long, and they've been a good defense, and he's been hurt before for periods of time where the Ravens defense is still a top defense.

thunderkyss said:
Let's take Jenkins off the Jets D, & see how they do.
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Do you even realize that Jenkins was hurt all season last year when the Jets had the best defense they've had all decade long when he was out? Do you even realize that he's been hurt almost all season long this year as well? Jenkins hasn't hardly played a lick for the Jets this year or last year.

If you're going to try and use random players as examples right off the top of your head, you might want to know about their recent career developments if you expect anyone to think that you're aware of what you're talking about.




thunderkyss said:
Sunday was our first game without the defensive leader & while there are a lot of things that need to be fixed on defense...... Indy's offense has been held to 24 or fewer points 3 times this season.

Twice by the Houston Texans.

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And If you're going to try and skew stats on points, you might want to actually use games against teams where the Texans defense didn't give up over 400 yards of offense through the air in the first game and get completely toyed with in the next one. Those were horrible examples to use as signs of hope for this Texans defense.
 
Wasn't the Texans best defense ever the one we had during the first season in 2002? Remember the Steelers game we won when our offense only gained something crazy like 40 yards?

That was a 3-4 defense under Capers who coached under Cowher.
 
Texecutioner said:
If you're going to try and use random players as examples right off the top of your head, you might want to know about their recent career developments if you expect anyone to think that you're aware of what you're talking about.
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The point is they are better with those players, not as good without them. I'm not saying the Texans has a top 5 defense. That has never been the case. We were better than average last year, we've slipped some.... part of that, is that we've had key injuries of our own. We allowed 22 ppg or something like that in 2009... we're allowing 28(??) now.
Texecutioner said:
And If you're going to try and skew stats on points, you might want to actually use games against teams where the Texans defense didn't give up over 400 yards of offense through the air in the first game and get completely toyed with in the next one. Those were horrible examples to use as signs of hope for this Texans defense.
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How am I skewing stats? I posted facts.
 
thunderkyss said:
It would have been much easier for you to say you don't believe this coach can do better than 6 games this year.

I think you're crazy. We've already got 4 wins. Philly, Denver, Titans(x2), Jags(x2)....... & I think we'll beat the Jets (it's more like hope now)..... You're crazy.
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Let Kubiak prove me crazy, and I'll be a happy loon.
 
As of now, I'd certainly say we should look for a proven defensive coordinator. We have one of he premier offenses in the league.....no reason to mess with that. Every team is going to have some questionable moments on either side of the ball. A new Head Coach could maybe make a substantial difference on defense, but I'd argue that an experienced DC could do the same, if not more. No reason to blow up the offense because our defense sucks. The defense has good enough players to hold their own against any team in the league.....we are taking really good players and making them play OK. Bush got them in line last year, but that looks like an aberration...maybe overhype. If things continue, I'd call for a new DC. Even if you think that Rick Dennison/GK have done nothing correct with the offense, the stats are the stats, and they'd only improve with a reasonably improved defense. I'm just guessing that most OC's don't anticipate having to counter the league's worst defense.
 
texansdrummer said:
We have one of he premier offenses in the league.....no reason to mess with that.

No reason to blow up the offense because our defense sucks.

Even if you think that Rick Dennison/GK have done nothing correct with the offense, the stats are the stats, and they'd only improve with a reasonably improved defense.

I'm just guessing that most OC's don't anticipate having to counter the league's worst defense.
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I'd love to see this defense play with a lead.
 
Well here is why we are guaranteed a victory on Sunday:

Kubiak currently has a 35-36 record. He's a .500 coach, right? That means we will win this game and get him back to happy land at 36-36.

Under Kubiak, the Texans have never lost to the Chargers when playing at home.

Under Kubiak, the Texans have never lost to the Chargers after the bye week.

;)
 
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