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Mario oh Mario

silvrhand

silvrhand

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where art thou Mario???

Could you please find your A game in a big game that we need you? You didn't get double teamed the entire night you just sucked it up when we needed you the most to make a big play.. See big time players make big time plays when it's time, the closers for the Colts closed the game while you sat on the bench..
 
Agreed. Mario got a couple QB pressures but for the most part was nonexistent like our DT's. Mario is overrated.
 
Mario showed up to the best of his ability. He's just not very good.
It's time to just call it like it is with him. He's not quick enough or savvy enough to be a good pass rusher. He will get a few sacks here and there, but he does not provide any sort of consistent pressure at all. Mark Anderson was much more disruptive last night.
 
During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.
 
for all his physical talent, all a team needs to do is make him think and mario's removed from the play entirely. where freeney knows what he's going to do before each play (or 2 plays ahead as he sets up each move), mario has to stop and figure out his next move after the snap. absolutely zero natural instinct inside of a body sculpted perfectly for the role.

last night he was very vocal on the field, trying to help align the line. that is the LAST thing i'd want mario doing, regardless of who wants him to appear a leader. give that to smith until we get a legitimate nose tackle. mario's successes come from "brain off, you're A - get to B as soon as possible". he was most notably lost when he was standing up. that should've been a given to attack manning at the snap, but on most plays without a hand on the ground he paused to check the run before making a move on the tackle.

for his "unmasked" segment before the game comparing himself to a bull in the gates, he dang sure wasnt playing with the wild abandon needed for him to be successful.
 
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hobie said:
During the pregame when they did that little piece on him, I was like huh...

He is good, I will give him credit, but to say he is a caged beast.. please. I told my wife great players do great things every game, not every once in a while. Hoping my talk would be served back to me, I was right.. Mario is good, he is not elite, he is not dominant, and well it is time to stop making Mario out to be this dominate player.. Dominate players show up every game.
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Thought the same thing when I saw that piece. (chuckled to myself "yeah right, will be lucky if I even see you make a play tonight now")
 
Mario has a little Stacy McLady in him:


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When is Mario going to learn that spin move that we know Dwight Freeney is going to do but still can't stop?
 
The thing I blame Mario the most for is not taking it upon himself to better his attack arsenal. What moves does he have? A bullrush and that's it! Get some training and work on new moves. You're a beast, but you can't just go out and beat everyone one on one
 
Texan_Bill said:
Mario has a little Stacy McLady in him:


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True, LOL

Mario isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a**

The difference is the game of football means alot more to Freeney than it does to Mario. It's his job to get to the QB on every play. Mario doesn't play that way.
 
Mario's a beast if he can bull rush his guy, a non-factor if he can't.

Same thing in college, which is why half of D'Brick's highlight films during the combine were him pimp-slapping Mario.

With 5 years in the NFL, you'd figure somebody would coach him to use a few moves.
 
Gotta admit that caged bull ESPN thing was uh...

Reggie Bush-esque.

Mario's a good player, just not a great player. Certainly not a dominate player. Borderline probowler. All the talent and none of the desire.
 
I have always thought Mario would have been a great DT. If anyone watches him the whole game, he does very little moves. He bullrushes and that is about it.
 
Mario is an outstanding strong-side 4-3 DE (or 3-4 DE for that matter), but he's not a quick-twitch weakside edge-rusher as Freeney most certainly is. Maybe Barwin was and still could be that guy for us, but Mario isn't and won't be.
 
I'm sick & tired of this 4-3 BS! The Texans need to switch to a 3-4 if that means firing Kubiak & Co so be it. I think Mario & Antonio Smith could be fine ends in this alingment. Cody would have to be NT for now, with Earl his back-up, time to move on Amobi. Use four LB's (DeMeco will return next year) but for now stand-up Cushing & Adibi slot Sharpton & Diles inside (Barwin would be the other OLB next year after rehab).

I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.
 
IDEXAN said:
Mario is an outstanding strong-side 4-3 DE (or 3-4 DE for that matter), but he's not a quick-twitch weakside edge-rusher as Freeney most certainly is. Maybe Barwin was and still could be that guy for us, but Mario isn't and won't be.
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Right. I agree with this and I've resigned myself to the fact that Mario is "meh" against the pass and really seems better against the run.
 
beerlover said:
I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.
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I was not able to listen to the game commentary, but saw that interaction on the sidelines and would love to know what it was about.
 
Mario got some pressures but as usual, all Manning had to do was step up into the pocket because there was NO push up the middle. Yea he hasn't been that great the last couple of games but he's one of the only staples on that line and its better to add talent next to him than to replace him. Also, at the beginning of the game they said Freeney was held without a sack for the previous 4 games, these guys just go through stretches...
 
The Cush said:
Mario got some pressures but as usual, all Manning had to do was step up into the pocket because there was NO push up the middle. Yea he hasn't been that great the last couple of games but he's one of the only staples on that line and its better to add talent next to him than to replace him. Also, at the beginning of the game they said Freeney was held without a sack for the previous 4 games, these guys just go through stretches...
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and lay in wait to play Texans OL
 
beerlover said:
I'm sick & tired of this 4-3 BS! The Texans need to switch to a 3-4 if that means firing Kubiak & Co so be it. I think Mario & Antonio Smith could be fine ends in this alingment. Cody would have to be NT for now, with Earl his back-up, time to move on Amobi. Use four LB's (DeMeco will return next year) but for now stand-up Cushing & Adibi slot Sharpton & Diles inside (Barwin would be the other OLB next year after rehab).

I'm sure Mario is frustrated too, proof is just watching him on the sidelines shouting @ Kollar or throwing his hands up on the field. He is not being put into a position to succeed, period.
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Now you are talking BL! I blame Mario on the coaches not training him appropriately. Our coaches have no clue what to do with the players they have. If I were McNair, I'd move Kubes to "coaches assistant" to run the O. Drop the OC or re-assign him. Probably go hard after Wade Phillips for our DC and move this team to 3-4. Yes we will have to make some adjustments but this 4-3 is not getting us to SB. I think our corners would do much better and prob the safeties also. The difficult part of my plan would be signing the right head coach.
 
badboy said:
Now you are talking BL! I blame Mario on the coaches not training him appropriately. Our coaches have no clue what to do with the players they have. If I were McNair, I'd move Kubes to "coaches assistant" to run the O. Drop the OC or re-assign him. Probably go hard after Wade Phillips for our DC and move this team to 3-4. Yes we will have to make some adjustments but this 4-3 is not getting us to SB. I think our corners would do much better and prob the safeties also. The difficult part of my plan would be signing the right head coach.
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why does everyone think that a 4-3 can't win a superbowl?
 
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!
 
silvrhand said:
why does everyone think that a 4-3 can't win a superbowl?
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Did not say that. I said our 4-3 with our coaches is not getting this team to the Super Bowl. We have the talent, I predicted 12-4 but our coaches and our most recent draft is not getting it done.
 
A 3-4 is not the answer here. It's a 3-5 year transition to get the personnel, and that number is going to go up with all the other teams jumping on the 3-4 bandwagon. The fact of the matter is, there aren't enough 3-4 lineman coming out of college to make it possible for every team to run a 3-4.

I say stick with the scheme you have. Our defense is making improvements, let's see how the rest of the season goes before bailing on the system.
 
datchapin said:
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!
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Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?
 
silvrhand said:
Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?
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Exactly..

Last night was a perfect opportunity for Mario to shine, be dominant and show why he was the #1 pick... Instead all we got was a bunch of meh, average.
 
silvrhand said:
Really so you don't expect the best player to show up for the big game.. Obviously you have your Mario goggles on?
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Really, so did Schaub show up for the big game? Did Cushing, Pollard, Brown, OD or Foster for that matter? Did all these guys play to their full potential last night?
 
datchapin said:
Really, so did Schaub show up for the big game? Did Cushing, Pollard, Brown, OD or Foster for that matter? Did all these guys play to their full potential last night?
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Yeah, Foster showed up. He averaged 6.8 ypc

I don't think it was his decision to only get 15 carries
 
I definitely prefer the 3-4 to the 4-3, but I think the Texans are more than just a NT from having the right personnel, and the NT is in itself the key to the front 7.
But we really don't have any strong candidates for the primary pass-rushing positions at OLB. Barwin is a candidate, but he's never played the position and his return is unceertain. Cushing is a 4-3 LB, not a 3-4 OLB even though he has some pass-rushing skills.
 
datchapin said:
Is this a serious thread? I thought the calling out Mario thread was bad, but a second one. Wow. The only guy on the line who's real stout against the run, that consistently has gotten to or close to the QB, that's who we go after? God, that's kinda sickening to see how widespread this attitudes gone and no one has really said anything against it. Somebody please remind me of Kollars success with D-lines. Kollars lines are known for being small, quick, and weak against the run. Mario is the anti-Kollar guy, yet he is having better seasons than Kollars type of guys.

This whole pile on Mario thing is getting tired. Grow the F up man it's a team sport! Big time players make big time plays.... how many sacks does Jarred Allen have this season? 1! 1 F-in sack, so don't give me that big time players show up every game!
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what season have you been watching man?


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JB said:
Yeah, Foster showed up. He averaged 6.8 ypc

I don't think it was his decision to only get 15 carries
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So it's Marios decision to drop back into coverage? It's his decision if they run stunts or not? If he plays with his hand on the ground or standing?

I find it hard to believe I'm the only one sticking up for one of our better players.
 
Panama! Did you get tired of the Baytown Lee talk? haha

panamamyers said:
Mario showed up to the best of his ability. He's just not very good.
It's time to just call it like it is with him. He's not quick enough or savvy enough to be a good pass rusher. He will get a few sacks here and there, but he does not provide any sort of consistent pressure at all. Mark Anderson was much more disruptive last night.
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datchapin said:
So it's Marios decision to drop back into coverage? It's his decision if they run stunts or not? If he plays with his hand on the ground or standing?

I find it hard to believe I'm the only one sticking up for one of our better players.
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DATCHAPIN, most of us on this MB are long time Texans fans and before that many of us followed the Oilers. We are trying to fairly criticize and evaluate many team members. This is just one thread and it is about Mario. If you know Mario as you seem to indicate, you know he is not living up to billing this season. He has been a very good player at times and then very ineffective at other times. No player wins or loses on his own, but to say hands off anyone of them comes across not so well.
 
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Johnny Harris just brought up this gem of a stat.

Mario Williams 1 tackle.... Vonta Leach 2 tackles on special teams.
 
Mario Williams...

Standing at 6'7" and weighing almost 300 pounds, he sure has all the tangibles to be one of the greatest DEs in the NFL. Heck, he even sporadically flashes that talent he has.

The problem is that it seems like Mario Williams gives up at times. If he had the motor of Jared Allen, Mario would simply be unstoppable and dominate whatever O-lineman he's playing against. Sometimes, it seems like he just stops as if the play's over when he assumes he's been blocked and lost that round to the LT. If I remember correctly, during the game against the Redskins, Mario gave up on a play and McNabb threw a pass for a TD.

He is pretty good at run defense though. I think. I hope so.
 
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For the life of me I don't understand this. Mario Williams is outstanding against the run and formidable in the pass rush. I don't remember the exact number but I believe he is in the top 5 for most sacks since he entered the league, and he gets no help. Well, now he is getting help from Antonio Smith. But seriously, who would yall take over Mario Williams, besides Dwight Freeney apparently?

Just cause he doesn't have a sack in every game doesn't mean he is ****. Seriously. Get real.
 
badboy said:
DATCHAPIN, most of us on this MB are long time Texans fans and before that many of us followed the Oilers. We are trying to fairly criticize and evaluate many team members. This is just one thread and it is about Mario. If you know Mario as you seem to indicate, you know he is not living up to billing this season. He has been a very good player at times and then very ineffective at other times. No player wins or loses on his own, but to say hands off anyone of them comes across not so well.
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I don't know Mario. (Dunno how I indicated that, wasn't my intention.) I never said hands off, dunno if you were just taking that way. (again not my intention.) I never said he was living up to his billing, but my point is that he isn't the only one and I don't see any other players getting the same treatment as Mario.

The other thing is how much of that is on Mario and how much is on the coaching staff? I dunno, but considering I see poor play from everyone else on the D-line except a veteran who was brought here already established, I don't know where that line is drawn.

I'm not a Mario apologist, but to say he is being fairly critiqued, I'm not sure. Saying he isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a@@ or that he wouldn't even make a play after the unmasked segment. I dunno. I just wanted to state my opinion. I didn't do it on the Mario is a wuss thread, but I just wanted to weigh in. My bad.
 
datchapin said:
I don't know Mario. (Dunno how I indicated that, wasn't my intention.) I never said hands off, dunno if you were just taking that way. (again not my intention.) I never said he was living up to his billing, but my point is that he isn't the only one and I don't see any other players getting the same treatment as Mario.

The other thing is how much of that is on Mario and how much is on the coaching staff? I dunno, but considering I see poor play from everyone else on the D-line except a veteran who was brought here already established, I don't know where that line is drawn.

I'm not a Mario apologist, but to say he is being fairly critiqued, I'm not sure. Saying he isn't even a pimple on Freeney's a@@ or that he wouldn't even make a play after the unmasked segment. I dunno. I just wanted to state my opinion. I didn't do it on the Mario is a wuss thread, but I just wanted to weigh in. My bad.
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That defense is so bad, who knows whats the problem. Is it the players, the coaching, or both? Who knows. I think my 9 year old nephew could break down our D in his coloring book. It's ****ing pathetic what we run. And a lil embarrassing.
 
Our DB's are going to need to force the QB to hold the ball longer than 3 seconds for anybody to get any pressure.

There is a reason nobody got any constant pressure Monday night. Peyton dropped back and immediately found an open player.

Mario did get doubled a couple of times and needs to find a way to make himself more of a factor but I don't believe he is the problem at all.
 
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