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Dunta's hit on Desean jackson

There were a lot of them today. Steelers cheap shot artist James Harrison got away with a couple helmet-to-helmet shots against the Browns today. (Well, he got away with it where the zebras are concerned; I don't think the NFL office will overlook it, though.)
 
stingray said:
You mean fined? Because they did penalized him in the game.
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Ya fined or suspended. I saw that they threw the flag, but it seems to me that hits exactly like that are why they have put in those new rules about the defenseless receiver. I wouldn't be surprised if they made an example out of Dunta, and set the bar high for future hits like this.
 
TexCanada said:
It was helmet to helmet on a defenseless receiver.
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No, It wasn't.

Dunta didn't hit him with his shoulder in his chest...

He neither led with his helmet, nor hit Jackson in the helmet...

He might have caught him a little bit on the bottom of his face mask, but anyone who says he hit him helmet to helmet either can't see, or they are blind.
 
LOL @ people saying it was a dirty play...

Nothing dirty about it...

It was a violent collision, but completely within the rules...

He broke on the ball and reciever and he arrived almost simultaneously as the ball arrived...He actually led with his shoulder pads, but he cannot help it if there was some incedental contact with the bottom portion Deseasns facemask...

There was no leading with the helmet from Dunta's end...Look at the clip and you can clearly see he put his shoulder pads in his chest..
 
Rey said:
No, It wasn't.

Dunta didn't hit him with his shoulder in his chest...

He neither led with his helmet, nor hit Jackson in the helmet...

He might have caught him a little bit on the bottom of his face mask, but anyone who says he hit him helmet to helmet either can't see, or they are blind.
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Look at the .47 mark. Dunta clearly led with his helmet, and if you can't see that you are blind.
 
JB said:
Look at the .47 mark. Dunta clearly led with his helmet, and if you can't see that you are blind.
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I've looked at the whole thing about three times, plus I played it back on TV a few times.

Sure there is some contact with his helmet, but he did not LEAD with his helmet...

Not sure what you're looking at, but you are wrong. He led with his shoulder pads.

There is no way he can make a tackle and hit someone with his shoulder pads without lowering his head. He could have put his face mask into the receiver and kept his head up, but then he would have actually been leading with his helmet.

Not sure how many of you guys have actually played football, or when the last time you played was, but to say he lead with his helmet after looking at those shots is just asinine.

His helmet hit the outside shoulder of the receiver...

(1) that isn't helmet to helmet

(2) The bulk of his hit was with the top of the shoulder pads to Jackson's chest
 
I don't know what you do about "defenseless" receiver


that was just a bang bang play


If D-Rob did anything wrong it was not get his head up
 
Rey said:
LOL @ people saying it was a dirty play...

Nothing dirty about it...

It was a violent collision, but completely within the rules...

He broke on the ball and reciever and he arrived almost simultaneously as the ball arrived...He actually led with his shoulder pads, but he cannot help it if there was some incedental contact with the bottom portion Deseasns facemask...

There was no leading with the helmet from Dunta's end...Look at the clip and you can clearly see he put his shoulder pads in his chest..
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Thats bull man. He can help it if there was incidental contact - he tackles him around the torso.

He drops his head, leading with both his head and shoulder at the same time, with his head hitting the shoulders, as well at hitting the facemask with the shoulder.

Looking at it ten times now, I think there is helmet to helmet contact during the hit, the Eagles player is most definitely defenseless, and D-Rob makes every attempt to make a dangerous his, rather than trying to tackle him to the floor, rather than laying him out.
 
Wolf said:
I don't know what you do about "defenseless" receiver


that was just a bang bang play


If D-Rob did anything wrong it was not get his head up
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Pretty much my thoughts, but the only things about getting his head up is how was he supposed to make that tackle?

From little league you are taught to hit with the two screws in the front of your helmet...

That is supposed to help you keep your head up and not use your helmet as a spear.

Dunta clearly had his head down in the clips, but he didn't go helmet to helmet and the top of his helmet went mostly into the receivers shoulder. Jackson went down due to the massive hit into his chest by Dunta's pads.
 
It was neither dirty nor a hit on a defenseless receiver. Jackson caught the ball and got his foot down, then turned and looked right at the corner.

AJ takes that hit 3 or 4 times every game and I can't remember one single flag being tossed over it.

They are just getting stupid with these rules. Put flags on them already.
 
Rey said:
Pretty much my thoughts, but the only things about getting his head up is how was he supposed to make that tackle?

From little league you are taught to hit with the two screws in the front of your helmet...

That is supposed to help you keep your head up and not use your helmet as a spear.

Dunta clearly had his head down in the clips, but he didn't go helmet to helmet and the top of his helmet went mostly into the receivers shoulder. Jackson went down due to the massive hit into his chest by Dunta's pads.
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I agree, that his head went mostly into the shoulder, but the impact from that type of hit is going to propel yourself upwards. As soon as the contact is made, D-Rob's body lifts, and hits the helmet of Jackson, during the process of the hit.

It was neither dirty nor a hit on a defenseless receiver. Jackson caught the ball and got his foot down, then turned and looked right at the corner.
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Sorry man, but having one foot down, at high speed does not made you a 'defended player'. Going off the ESPN report on the rule changes:

In years past, Anderson said, defensive players were allowed to hit receivers in the head once the receiver touched both feet on the ground. Now, officials will give a receiver an extra split-second to "basically get into a position where he can defend himself," Anderson said.
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He didn't have the two feet on the ground that he needed BEFORE the rule changes. Definitely under the new rules he was defenseless. He had no chance to defend himself there at all.
 
mattieuk said:
Thats bull man. He can help it if there was incidental contact - he tackles him around the torso.

He drops his head, leading with both his head and shoulder at the same time, with his head hitting the shoulders, as well at hitting the facemask with the shoulder.

Looking at it ten times now, I think there is helmet to helmet contact during the hit, the Eagles player is most definitely defenseless, and D-Rob makes every attempt to make a dangerous his, rather than trying to tackle him to the floor, rather than laying him out.
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Yes...He tried to knock the **** out of him rather than tackle tackle him down do the ground....

So what....

And as for your assertion that he can try to hit him in the torso, that is bull...You'd rather take a hit like that in your unprotected stomach area vs an area where you have padding...

Pollard hits the same exact way that Dunta does. Look at the 2nd hit on Gradkowski by Pollard. Only difference is that Gradkowski was falling away from Pollard vs. Jackson running full speed into Dunta...If I'm not mistaken, both players ended up walking off the field under there own power anyways...


People are going to get hit hard...It's football...

There are occasionally going to be violent collisions and there will occasionally be times when players hit each other in the helmet...

Doesn't mean that it was intentional...It's a fast game played by some of the fastest ans strongest humans on the planet...

They may fine Dunta for the hit, but I honestly don't think they will...There was very little helmet to helmet and the bulk of the hit came from Dunta putting his shoulder pads in the receivers chest..
 
Rey said:
Yes...He tried to knock the **** out of him rather than tackle tackle him down do the ground....

So what....

And as for your assertion that he can try to hit him in the torso, that is bull...Even if he hits him in the stomach there Jackson would still be hurt...

Pollard hits the same exact way that Dunta does. Look at the 2nd hit on Gradkowski by Pollard. Only difference is that Gradkowski was falling away from Pollard vs. Jackson running full speed into Dunta.

Not sure what you wanted him to do there.

People are going to get hit hard...It's football...

There are occasionally going to be violent collisions and there will occasionally be times when players hit each other in the helmet...

Doesn't mean that it was intentional...It's a fast game played by some of the fastest ans strongest humans on the planet...

They may fine Dunta for the hit, but I honestly don't think they will...There was very little helmet to helmet and the bulk of the hit came from Dunta putting his shoulder pads in the receivers chest..
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I get where you are coming from, and of course there will be violent collisions, I just want them to occur in a situation where players are in a position to see what is coming, and have every chance to minimize their injury. In this case I think Robinson made the decision to go for a borderline legal hit, in a manner which was going to be extremely dangerous for the receiving player (and himself). The two main issues I have with the play is Robinson's ducking down of his head, and the defenselessness of Jackson. That play was just never going to end without someone getting injured as soon as Robinson's head went down, and he started to push himself into that hit.

But hey, footballs all about opinions.

For the record, I do think the NFL needs to clear up the rules, so people know exactly what type of hits can and cannot be leveled, as an educated football crowd in this thread has deeply differing opinions.

I just hope both the guys involved are ok.
 
mattieuk said:
I get where you are coming from, and of course there will be violent collisions, I just want them to occur in a situation where players are in a position to see what is coming, and have every chance to minimize their injury. In this case I think Robinson made the decision to go for a borderline legal hit, in a manner which was going to be extremely dangerous for the receiving player (and himself). The two main issues I have with the play is Robinson's ducking down of his head, and the defenselessness of Jackson. That play was just never going to end without someone getting injured as soon as Robinson's head went down, and he started to push himself into that hit.

But hey, footballs all about opinions.

For the record, I do think the NFL needs to clear up the rules, so people know exactly what type of hits can and cannot be leveled, as an educated football crowd in this thread has deeply differing opinions.

I just hope both the guys involved are ok.
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That's really the main part.

As much as I like to see big hits, I don't wish injury on the players.

Robinson should have had his head up, but again, I think that was moreso the product of him leading with his shoulder pads.

It's hard to make a good hit with your chest (which is what Robinson would have had to do if he were to compeltely have his head up).


But lets reverse this for a second.

Offensive players lower their heads on defenders all the time. Earl Campbell has a famous clip where he puts the whole top of hi helmet into a defenders chest and really does some damage to him.

That defender would probably have been better served to get low and not expose his chest like that.

Lowering your head to make a hit is natural. Everyone does it. You are taught from little league to put the screws of your helmet into the defenders chest.

If a defender comes in with his chest exposed and his head completely up right, he then becomes the prey instead of the hunter.

Sure they can stop going for knock out blows and just try to wrestle guys to the ground, but then it wouldn't be football and they'd really be able to lose the pads all together.
 
That was most definitely hit on defenseless receiver but nothing suspendable IMO. I mean he definitely could've been a step behind that and STILL dealt a big hit but he popped him way too hard way too early. Hell of a hit though.
 
Only thing I'll say is that was the nastiest hit of the season thus far. Nothing like a fresh reminder why I could never ever play the game. I'd be dead.
 
Man, Dunta really brings it. Seems like every time he has one of these big hits he ends up hurting himself just as much as he hurts the other guy though...

It's hard to say whether the hit should cause a suspension though. He did lead with his helmet...at the same time that's what you want your players to do. If the WR is going to catch the ball, do whatever you can to knock the ball loose for a incompletion.

You don't want to set a standard that WRs have to be protected also...but then at the same time Desean was defenseless.

I hope both guys are alright though.
 
i hate the penalty call, that hit is how football's meant to be played. if anything the flag should've been on the quarterback with the designation "personal foul #4 offense, 15 yards, leaving his receiver unprotected".
 
See, that's what Dunta is all about. He's on YouTube and he'll be on ESPN later and everybody will be talking about how Dunta Robinson jacked up DeSean Jackson to help his team go on to win..... no, wait a second. His team didn't win did they? No they didn't. They went on to get carved up by Kevin Kolb and the Eagles. The Texans let Dunta go for a reason, he ain't worth what he thinks he is. He's a highlight reel hitter who makes no difference to the outcome of the game.
 
according to the rules he was defenseless but i dont see what dunta could have done. not at all dirty just the perfect situation to blow someone the f++k up. jacksons not the biggest dude either
 
Hervoyel said:
See, that's what Dunta is all about. He's on YouTube and he'll be on ESPN later and everybody will be talking about how Dunta Robinson jacked up DeSean Jackson to help his team go on to win..... no, wait a second. His team didn't win did they? No they didn't. They went on to get carved up by Kevin Kolb and the Eagles. The Texans let Dunta go for a reason, he ain't worth what he thinks he is. He's a highlight reel hitter who makes no difference to the outcome of the game.
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Exactly. Dunta's most important play of the game resulted in a 1st down and 15 yards. Had he played more intelligently OR been in position to break up the pass rather than jack a guy up, it would have been fourth down. Instead the Eagles got to keep going.

Dunta also took himself, their most expensive defense player, out of the game.

ATL gave up almost 500 yards of offense today.

Overated
 
A good reason why, if I had a son, I wouldn't let him play football. There are plenty of great sports (individual or team) that have a far less concussions and head injuries associated with it.
 
hit looks pretty good, its unfortunate but its part of the game...the rules describe defenseless receivers but this looks to be perfect timing...do we now have to let a receiver catch the ball and make a football move before he can be tackled?
 
Dunta's good for a highlight hit once...maybe twice a game.

In other very related news Maclin, Jackson, and Kolb tore up the secondary of Atlanta.
 
Its ridiculous to cheer hits like these. This is what results in the long term brain damage that NFL players suffer

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...n-collision-with-robinson?module=HP_headlines

NFL Network and FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports Jackson has a "severe concussion" and suffered memory loss from the hit.

Last year, a concussion caused Jackson to miss one game. This year, Jackson could be out of action even longer.

His status moving forward isn't known. He won't be able to play until he's cleared by a team doctor and an independent neurological consultant.

Both players stayed on the turf for several minutes before being helped from the field. Jackson dropped a pass when hit by Robinson, who led with his head and hit the receiver in the helmet. Robinson was flagged for hitting a defenseless receiver.
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ziggy29 said:
There were a lot of them today. Steelers cheap shot artist James Harrison got away with a couple helmet-to-helmet shots against the Browns today. (Well, he got away with it where the zebras are concerned; I don't think the NFL office will overlook it, though.)
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I saw that one. It looked kinda incidental. Were I a zebra I would have talked to the other officials on that one.
 
Rey said:
No, It wasn't.

Dunta didn't hit him with his shoulder in his chest...

He neither led with his helmet, nor hit Jackson in the helmet...

He might have caught him a little bit on the bottom of his face mask, but anyone who says he hit him helmet to helmet either can't see, or they are blind.
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I saw that one a couple of times. It wasn't helmet to helmet, homie just got his bell rung. That my friend is just a hell of a hit.
 
Defenseless receiver my left @ss. He caught it and was drilled the second he did. He needs to either accept the fact that he's playing a man's game or put on a formal gown and attend a summer cotillion with the other ladies.
 
Dread-Head said:
Defenseless receiver my left @ss. He caught it and was drilled the second he did. He needs to either accept the fact that he's playing a man's game or put on a formal gown and attend a summer cotillion with the other ladies.
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If he had been hit legally, I completely agree. Drob knows how to hit. He went at Deseans head. Watch the replay they show on tv, rather than this one. Jacksons head gets snapped back something vicious.

Helmet to helmet should be an automatic 2 game suspension. I think DRob was trying to knock jackson out of the game

watch this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...n-collision-with-robinson?module=HP_headlines

The slow motion one, on the 2nd or 3rd angle, you can claerly see DRob lower his head and hit helmt to the bottom of Jacksons helmet. That is dirty 100 times out of 100
 
gtexan02 said:
If he had been hit legally, I completely agree. Drob knows how to hit. He went at Deseans head. Watch the replay they show on tv, rather than this one. Jacksons head gets snapped back something vicious.

Helmet to helmet should be an automatic 2 game suspension. I think DRob was trying to knock jackson out of the game

watch this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...n-collision-with-robinson?module=HP_headlines

The slow motion one, on the 2nd or 3rd angle, you can claerly see DRob lower his head and hit helmt to the bottom of Jacksons helmet. That is dirty 100 times out of 100
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Go to 0:36 at the moment of contact. Robinson's head hit him directly in the shoulder and then Jackson's head snaps forward and collides with Robinson's shoulder.

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gtexan02 said:
If he had been hit legally, I completely agree. Drob knows how to hit. He went at Deseans head. Watch the replay they show on tv, rather than this one. Jacksons head gets snapped back something vicious.

Helmet to helmet should be an automatic 2 game suspension. I think DRob was trying to knock jackson out of the game

watch this one: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...n-collision-with-robinson?module=HP_headlines

The slow motion one, on the 2nd or 3rd angle, you can claerly see DRob lower his head and hit helmt to the bottom of Jacksons helmet. That is dirty 100 times out of 100
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I'll have to watch it again. It looked like he hit him in the pads and his pads hit his face mask to me. I could be wrong, but that's what it looked like.
 
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