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I miss Dunta...
- Thread starter Dwade
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Naaah... Dunta wanted out. You'll never convince me otherwise.
now if we had Dunta and Kareem that would be much better than no veteran at the corner position. I can't believe the texans are going with basically two rookie corners this season with Kareem & Glover Quinn who I think has no talent to be starting in this league. Kareem Jackson is just not ready even though he has a lot of talent. The safeties are not great either so when he goes one on one he is basically on his own because our safeties are horrible in coverage.
Dwade
Waterboy
He wanted out because he wasn't getting paid...and even a disgruntled Dunta is better than Kareem Jackson.
We need a better pass defense if we want to go far in the playoffs. That or score every possession.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
I'm thinking "no". Think of what you're saying. "Should have paid Dunta"? $57 million dollars? $25.5 million guaranteed money?
No way. If we were going to go out and make that kind of commitment to a CB (and I have no objection to that) we should have just sucked it up and went after Asomugha and got what we paid for. Sure it would have cost us draft picks but one of them would have been the pick we used on Kareem Jackson so right now we'd be paying top dollar for a top cornerback and owing the Raiders another 1 maybe? Possibly a 2?
I fail to see how that's a problem considering how well our current brain trust has drafted in later rounds.
But Dunta? That is for to laugh.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I'm thinking more along the lines of the franchise tag here... not so much about giving him a long term contract.
gary
Hall of Fame
Are you serious? Dunte nor Jackson is going to make a world of difference on this team. The Colts played with rookies in the Superbowl last season. If Dunta did not have such a me first attiude he would have still been here and you pay based on production he was not worth the cash.
Dunta is gone, and after seeing him play for Atlanta lately..........good riddence. ATL isn't exactly jumping with joy for him on their team either, read their boards.
We won 2 games, one of which was against the Colts, with Jackson. Let him go through his growing pains and become a better CB. Till then we just find a way to win. Just like we did in the first 2 games.
We won 2 games, one of which was against the Colts, with Jackson. Let him go through his growing pains and become a better CB. Till then we just find a way to win. Just like we did in the first 2 games.
I know we keep talking about how much our secondary sucks, etc. but I'd like to point out that Romo didn't torch us as much as Manning or McNabb. Week 1 and 2 we let up 400+ yards. Romo took us for 284. Yes, we did lose, and yes it's not ideal, but it's not like we're getting torched by David Carr or some other scrub QB. We have faced 3 fairly prolific QBs.
We should probably save the fire "insert name here" threads until we give the team a little time to get a representative sample of their performance. My feeling is that by the bye week the numbers will be more representative.
We should probably save the fire "insert name here" threads until we give the team a little time to get a representative sample of their performance. My feeling is that by the bye week the numbers will be more representative.
The problem is on the back end of the defense with our safeties they can't cover and they are always out of position. The corners are playing bump & run coverage way to much and they don't have that type of speed and the safeties are never there to help over the top. The texans need to trade for a better free safety because Bernard Pollard is great against the run and needs help in coverage because he stinks in coverage.
Dwade
Waterboy
We won in spite of Kareem against the Colts.
Did you not see Peyton Manning throw for over 400 yards that game?
Arian Foster won that game for us.
m5kwatts
Veteran
How about our front four not let QBs set up a camping site and use binoculars to spot holes in our coverage? C'mon this pass rush has been non-existent. Lets reserve of DB judgement until a legit pass rush or even a freaking AVERAGE one is there.
I love Jackson. No doubt in my mind he will be a great corner in this league.
Dunta was the Texans best defender in the secondary and he had no help in COVERAGE from the safeties and he looked bad too so give Kareem time he is a rookie and he is playing one of the hardest positions in the NFL and is starting as a rookie and that means the safeties have to make the correct reads and help him over the top. The other is Frank Bush putting him in a bad position all the time and calling stupid plays on defense.
Dwade
Waterboy
....have you watched these first 3 games? I'm not impressed at all.
Also, on that last TD to Roy Williams, it looked like he gave up and stopped chasing him.
The problem is on the back end with the safeties, & the underneath coverage with the LBs. Our CBs are playing pretty good considering.
THe pass rush stinks and I really think that we have the linebackers for a 3-4 and the way Mario stands up like an OLB he is much more effective pass rushing that way. THe 4-3 defense scheme we are running sucks and just think if we converted Mario Williams as OLB/DE and Brian Cushing at the other OLB position with Demeco Ryans & Zach Diles at ILB postions. we would generate more sacks in 3-4 base defense instead of that 4-3 under mess IMO. Pleas fire Frank Bush he has no clue and there is no way we can compete for the playoffs with this type of defensive play.
Dwade
Waterboy
You're suggesting using Mario in a DeMarcus Ware type of role? Interesting, but I think he is better suited to be a pure end.
Yes I think he will get more sacks and will be better utilized and the other players will be better suited as well as we have no pass rushing threat other than Brian Cushing & Conner Barwin I say try a 3-4 base defense and use those great linebackers and let them create havoc on teams what we are doing stinks on defense. Fire Frank Bush the defense can't make any major stops and the secondary is getting abused by teams.
Goatcheese
Texan
I agree for the most part.
Robinson isn't worth that much money, but we still could have tagged him in an uncapped year where we were supposed to be contenders.
Also his contract isn't all that it appears to be. It's back-loaded and the supposed guaranteed money really isn't. It's mostly roster and other bonuses that he doesn't get if they end up cutting him before they roll around(which is likely since he would be 35 by the end of the contract).
His signing bonus was 7 mil, which is tiny all things considered. His cap(yes I know there is no cap right now) number for this year is a little over $6 mil which is 9th out of the corners I checked, and there are probably some that I missed.
Darrelle Revis $7.5 mil salary + $18 mil option bonus
Nnamdi Asomugha $755,000 salary + $8 mil roster bonus + $7.83 mil option bonus
Terence Newman $9 mil salary + $2 mil prorated signing bonus
Champ Bailey $9.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Asante Samuel $8.895 mil salary + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Corey Webster $ 2.75 mil salary + $4 mil roster bonus + $1 mil prorated signing bonus
Charles Woodson $6.5 mil salary + $1 mil bonus + undisclosed prorate signing bonus
Antoine Winfield $6.5 mil salary + undisclosed
Dunta Robinson $5 mil salary + $1.17 mil prorated signing bonus
The total contract number is more than he's worth, but he probably won't see more than half of it, over the first 4 years and then he will be a cap casualty. I could have lived with paying him $7-7.5 mil a year and putting some back loaded money that he will never see just to stroke his ego. Elite corners are going to be demanding 15+ mil a year in the future, so paying half of that doesn't hurt that much.
TexCanada
All Pro
I didn't really care much for Dunta's attitude. The play that I think of most when remembering Dunta is last season against the Colts when he came up and made a hit on Addai, holding him to about a 5 yard gain. Dunta celebrated this hit like it one us the superbowl while Peyton got his team up to the line and got a play off before we were ready.
I know Dunta brought lots of good things to this team, but he is not necessarily the veteran "leader" that I would want for this secondary.
I know Dunta brought lots of good things to this team, but he is not necessarily the veteran "leader" that I would want for this secondary.
Dwade
Waterboy
He may not have been a leader, but at least he didn't get torched as much as Kareem does.
We have a leader in Pollard....heck I would be fine with a robot playing cornerback as long as he can cover.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Sounds like you haven't watched the games. I see a LOT of raw potential here. He blew me away when he knocked the ball out of Cooley's hands last week. Kid was focused the whole play, stride for stride. I'm excited about KJ. He unfortunately does not have the arsenal to cover the NFL ones. That arsenal comes with learning what tricks the best WRs (or TEs in the case of Washington) have up their sleeves. With experience... KJ's gonna be something special. I wish we franchised Dumbta to help ease his way in but that's neither here or there. He's a Falcon now so I hope he loses chunks of his dreadlocks because I root for none other than the Texans. I always root for 31 teams to lose. Especially if they're facing each other. You should see the look on my wife's face right now. I am loudly booing BOTH the Jets AND the Dolphins.
I love football.
Stemp
Brew Master
Do you even remember Dunta's rookie year? He was torched and picked on numerous times. And he had some vets around him.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Give me a f-----g break. Dunta wanted OUT. Period. We offered him a ton of cash, and then he turned it down. Then he turned into a LITTLE ***** and whined and said we weren't paying him, instead of just admitting he wanted to go to another team.
Duna if a motherf------g LOSER and I'm glad his sorry ass is gone.
Duna if a motherf------g LOSER and I'm glad his sorry ass is gone.
If you really mean what the thread title implies them you are a fool. JMO.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Goatcheese
Texan
Wut?
Robinson said he would be happy to stay here and wouldn't be upset if they used the tag again. He also talked about how he took dealings with the front office personally and regretted doing so. He's an emotional guy. That's a big part of why he was a fan favorite, but emotional people swing both ways.
They offered him a ton of cash.. sure, but it was still less than he could get somewhere else. He wasn't on the market long enough to scratch your butt before somebody backed a dump truck full of money up to his door all like "HI!"
I don't blame him for grabbing what he can while he can. That injury would have ended most careers.
I still think he was an immature asshole for writing on his shoes and making a dick out of himself in the media during the holdout, but that's not a reason to hate the guy.
Do you really think we would be better with him here? What a freakin' joke!
houstonspartan
All Pro
Wut?
Robinson said he would be happy to stay here and wouldn't be upset if they used the tag again. He also talked about how he took dealings with the front office personally and regretted doing so. He's an emotional guy. That's a big part of why he was a fan favorite, but emotional people swing both ways.
They offered him a ton of cash.. sure, but it was still less than he could get somewhere else. He wasn't on the market long enough to scratch your butt before somebody backed a dump truck full of money up to his door all like "HI!"
I don't blame him for grabbing what he can while he can. That injury would have ended most careers.
I still think he was an immature asshole for writing on his shoes and making a dick out of himself in the media during the holdout, but that's not a reason to hate the guy.
If we had offered Dunta $500 million in cash, he would have turned it down. My issue with the guy is that he didn't man up and say "trade me." Instead, he kept turning down great money while claiming that he still wanted to be a Texan. Give me a break. Actions, not words.
As far as what we offered him, considering he was returning from a major injury and wasn't sure if he still had it in him, we were MORE than generous with our offer. The Texans appeared to be paying him more for intangibles (being a locker room leader and fan favorate) than actual production.
If Dunta has a great career in ATL, I'm happy for him. But I'm glad he is no longer a Texan.
Goatcheese
Texan
We were going to make him a top 5 paid corner in the league & he turned it down. I don't think he would have signed anything like that for us.
Goatcheese
Texan
I haven't seen anywhere that he said he didn't want to be here, and according to the other players he wasn't a problem in the locker room; some even considered him a leader.
I don't disagree one bit. They made more than a fair offer, but he knew he could get more elsewhere and ultimately did.
digitalswim
Sleepwalker
This is exactly the problem. So many blown coverages. It's a laugh blaming all this on one guy. I keep pulling my hair out every time I see an LB or a safety out of position. The scary thing is a lot of these missed assignments are basic football.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
When a guy says "that is for to laugh," then you need to know you just got a lesson in Olde English.
Norg
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Yeah the problem is we have no pass rush and that effects the back end
and also the poor play from our safteys is also a factor yeah im calling Out Pollard and wilson and to me it look like Wilson is on his way out .. its time for a CHange let someone else have a chance to get burned LOL
and also the poor play from our safteys is also a factor yeah im calling Out Pollard and wilson and to me it look like Wilson is on his way out .. its time for a CHange let someone else have a chance to get burned LOL
Schaub was sacked at least three times, because the coverage was so good.
It would be nice to see a Texans to get a coverage sack.
bckey
All Pro
And I had no doubt you would jump in this thread and say that.
80tothezone
Veteran
No way u give Dunta what he was asking he wasn't worth it KJ will be a solid #2 but he isn't a #1.I really put this game on the offense u got to score on first and goal if ur the Texans if u don't we don't win games no matter how much we pay over rated corners. Defensively I would say maybe u roll mcain or someone else to the number one slot and put KJ where he belongs as a number 2. But regardless we are going to be weak in the secondary all year there is really nothing we can do about it our pass defense comes in the form of # 90 and co. this year so if they don't get to the QB we also wont win games. We will do a little better against most teams when we get cushing back cause he can help pressure the qb and cover the faster tight ends.
-80
Hervoyel
BUENO!
My only question where the franchise tag is concerned is what kind of player you end up with coming out the other side after the fight he put up the first time we used it on him. He was adamant about the Texans not using the tag a second time on him when he agreed to take it the first time. I think there comes a point where you risk making everyone in the locker room a little alienated if you keep playing hard ball with a single guy, particularly if he's a guy like Dunta who is going to get mad, be vocal, and make poor decisions about playing things out through the press. At some point it's better for everyone to let them go sign their free-agent pay day or trade them to a new team.
I'm entirely fine with letting Dunta go. I'm starting to wonder though (like a lot of people) if the Texans plan for life post-Dunta wasn't a little naive. They could have made a run at a real "ready to play" CB.
I think it's pretty clear that our team is overall fairly deep. I look at the offense and I see:
QB - adequate (now acceptable depth)
WR/TE - deep
RB/FB - deep (or was before the injury bug attacked)
OL - adequate if not truly deep.
Special Teams - deep
DL - adequate (before Barwin going down, now they need more pass rush)
LB - deep
Secondary - need a player it appears, maybe two.
So why aren't we out there hunting these 1-3 guys we are away from being serious contenders? That's a mystery. We're young, mostly deep across the board, and we lack two things to make ourselves truly dangerous. A shut down CB and another truly effective pass rusher. This is when you go make a trade, give up a draft pick, pay for a free agent, or in some other way make a move to go get that guy.
We didn't do that. We are still apparently doing business in that "We'll keep adding through the draft" manner that got us this far. I'd like to see them go get these pieces and win the division or "die trying" so to speak.
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That is ridiculous. His days of being a quality NFL cornerback ended when he was injured.
I thought it was the lack of a long term contract that kept him from bringing the wood like he used to, but he still isn't bringing it. & his cover skills are & have been pathetic.
Had we franchised him again, it would only further aid in his delusions that he is worth even more, he still wouldn't bring that hard hitting sure tackling that we'd loved him for, & we wouldn't know if it is because of the lack of a long term contract.
The Texans had to make a decision, can he provide the run support he once did on the edges, or can't he. I think they chose right.
I don't believe this was the first time the Texans gave up over 400 passing yards, & I'm quite sure Dunta was on some of those teams that did.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Another Dunta thread. Really? :wadepalm:
Why can't people just realize that he's gone now and move on. This is pointless.
Why can't people just realize that he's gone now and move on. This is pointless.