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We gave up 463 net yards (433 passing), 3 TDs, and 7 penalties!
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I'm EXCITED that we beat the Colts, but our defense....damn.
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BullNation4Life
All Pro
When you are aggressive like that, you will have penalties...
It was Peyton Manning that got that yardage. Had it been Mark Sanchez, I would be worried....
Frank Bush doesn't coach the secondary, David Gibbs does...
TimeKiller
Guest
Jesus, how many people just didn't notice Manning passed 60 times? THESE STATS ARE INFLATED.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
GP
Go Texans!
This is a bad thread.
Stats do not tell the whole story.
We beat the Steelers, at their place, with no offense at all. All TDs off of defensive plays. Fluke defensive plays.
We made the Colts one-dimensional today. When you eat the clock, like we did, and make the Colts pass on every play to try and catch up, it takes its toll on them. Then our offense comes out and goes on long long drives that rests our defensive players enough that they can come out and withstand Manning's passing attack.
We did this without Barwin and without Cushing.
Had Foster and the OL not shown up today, we don't win the game.
This was the FIRST time I have seen this team's offense AND defense play at the same elevated level for a whole game. It was a first. Now we know, and THEY know, as well, that they can do it.
What a wild, wild scene. Now the question is this: Can they keep up the same level of play and same pace all season long? Can we avoid injuries? Will there come a let-down game and possibly residue off that let-down game that leads to a losing streak?
I don't worry about Manning's yards today. I worry about the upcoming games. Can we get to 4-0 and then get Cushing back? Because when Cushing comes back, the league is going to have to play Texans games at midnight because of the degree of violence on the TV.
Stats do not tell the whole story.
We beat the Steelers, at their place, with no offense at all. All TDs off of defensive plays. Fluke defensive plays.
We made the Colts one-dimensional today. When you eat the clock, like we did, and make the Colts pass on every play to try and catch up, it takes its toll on them. Then our offense comes out and goes on long long drives that rests our defensive players enough that they can come out and withstand Manning's passing attack.
We did this without Barwin and without Cushing.
Had Foster and the OL not shown up today, we don't win the game.
This was the FIRST time I have seen this team's offense AND defense play at the same elevated level for a whole game. It was a first. Now we know, and THEY know, as well, that they can do it.
What a wild, wild scene. Now the question is this: Can they keep up the same level of play and same pace all season long? Can we avoid injuries? Will there come a let-down game and possibly residue off that let-down game that leads to a losing streak?
I don't worry about Manning's yards today. I worry about the upcoming games. Can we get to 4-0 and then get Cushing back? Because when Cushing comes back, the league is going to have to play Texans games at midnight because of the degree of violence on the TV.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
The same defense we played today against just about any other QB and we probably have 5+ sacks and give up around 10 points. Oh and we get some pretty good LB back in just 3 short weeks. Geeze.
Garbage time stats, bro.
Well most of the end wasn't really garbage time, but we completely went in "bend but don't break" mode, and let manning nickel and dime his way to two scores, which is i think what we wanted, to take time off the clock and make them work for it.
Our defense had an outstanding first half and held them off enough in the second to win the game, so i'm fine with it. We had a good pass rush and our secondary will keep improving.
Well most of the end wasn't really garbage time, but we completely went in "bend but don't break" mode, and let manning nickel and dime his way to two scores, which is i think what we wanted, to take time off the clock and make them work for it.
Our defense had an outstanding first half and held them off enough in the second to win the game, so i'm fine with it. We had a good pass rush and our secondary will keep improving.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
How about the TD to Wayne,? that was a Hall of Fame throw and catch. Pollard had Wayne covered and Manning threw it behind Pollard and Wayne and Wayne adjusted...
Only Manning....
GP
Go Texans!
Yeah, it was like the zombie movies where there's a horde of zombies and you don't know how the good guys keep getting out of jam after jam.
He had a horde of pissed off Texans in his face all day long. And he still managed to keep his cool and get passes off.
60 attempts and 400 yards is like 6.66 yards per pass. Ooooh! 666! An appropriate number for Manning.
6.5 yards per pass. That's a dink pass and fairly immediate tackle by a LB or DB. And then there's the freakish, we-don't-care-go-ahead-and-score TD at the end of the game. Remove the yards from that one play, and it's even worse.
Manning was hounded and attacked all day long. He doesn't like us.
No other QB in the league could put up the kind of numbers Peyton did with that kind of pass rush and with Mario harassing him and hitting him all day.
Peyton was Peyton and he's going to get his yards, but aside from that the Texans thoroughly whipped the Colts in just about all phases of the game.
And the Texans have 14 of their final 15 games against teams with QBs not named Peyton Manning, so if they can keep generating that kind of heat on the QB I'm not feeling bad about the pass defense overall. Not at all; to the contrary, in fact.
Peyton was Peyton and he's going to get his yards, but aside from that the Texans thoroughly whipped the Colts in just about all phases of the game.
And the Texans have 14 of their final 15 games against teams with QBs not named Peyton Manning, so if they can keep generating that kind of heat on the QB I'm not feeling bad about the pass defense overall. Not at all; to the contrary, in fact.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I enjoy the win........but there's no way around this,
Kareem Jackson played like crap today. (that is my only downer in this game)
He needs to get better and since he's a rookie, I'm sure he will......but damn, he played like hot garbage today. (He looked lost on several plays)
Kareem Jackson played like crap today. (that is my only downer in this game)
He needs to get better and since he's a rookie, I'm sure he will......but damn, he played like hot garbage today. (He looked lost on several plays)
Yeah, people see 400 yards and assume our guys didn't take the field. The D played ALOT better than the stats show. The DB's need a little time to get their legs, but not all together bad.
I'm with you. Y'all best believe that the weaknesses Manning exposed today are on film and that film on our DBs will be required learning for all upcoming teams.
Matt doesn't throw the pick, the score could have been 13-3 or worse at the half. D played its ass off.
Goatcheese
Texan
The Texans are an offense oriented football team. Anything good you get from the defense is just gravy on your touchdown steak.
...well... now that you mention it....
BullNation4Life
All Pro
I remember Cushing looking the same away against the same Colts team last year(remember Dallas Clark having 14 receptions on Cushing in the first half) and he turned out ok...One game against a Hall of Fame QB does not make or break a players season...
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
Are you serious? The best QB in the NFL just dropped over 50 passes on our defense and we are worried about passing yards allowed? lol
look if manning had gone 25-32 for over 400 yards then I'd agree with this thread, but he was 40-57. Alot of those were check down 5-6 yard passes. Plus that garbage time TD did inflate those stats a little.
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
If Cush was out there this team has about 2 more sacks...
GP
Go Texans!
KJ and Quin need to improve their positioning.
Now, I did see Quin make a break on a deeply thrown ball and almost come down with the pick except for Garcon poking the ball out at the last second.
Quin is also a liability in trying to tackle a RB. He whiffed and made generally bad angles on Addai and other ball carriers today.
KJ tackles verrrrry well. Had a nice open-field, and a nice wrap-up near the sideline to keep the player from advancing.
Overall, I rate them a B- right now.
Now, I did see Quin make a break on a deeply thrown ball and almost come down with the pick except for Garcon poking the ball out at the last second.
Quin is also a liability in trying to tackle a RB. He whiffed and made generally bad angles on Addai and other ball carriers today.
KJ tackles verrrrry well. Had a nice open-field, and a nice wrap-up near the sideline to keep the player from advancing.
Overall, I rate them a B- right now.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I didn't say it did.....
I'm just stating facts. Kareem Jackson played like crap and needs to get better.
alphajoker
Veteran
Manning can have all the yardage he wants...as long as the Texans win.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Kareem looked no worse then Dunta did last season. In fact Kareem might have looked better the D-Rob.
I actually can`t believe, that you all think it`s no big deal because it`s Peyton... Now I´m not saying the world is ending, but 400 yards and 3TDs mean your secondary did not have a good day.
Throwing 57 time and only missing on 17 passes? Remember that Garcon had several drops, and there were some more catchable passes. So your secondary basically allowed let`s say 43 catchable balls (and that`s looking at it pessimistic), and only forced 14 "errors" - and that with a real, real good pass rush.
Now that is not good! It is not horrible, because it is Peyton, but it is also not good. KJ looked lost several times, GQ didn`t look good all game, McCain got beat...
KJ willlearn from this game, as well as the rest of our young secondary. And next week against McNabb I expect better numbers - but so far our secondary seems to be our weakness this year!
Throwing 57 time and only missing on 17 passes? Remember that Garcon had several drops, and there were some more catchable passes. So your secondary basically allowed let`s say 43 catchable balls (and that`s looking at it pessimistic), and only forced 14 "errors" - and that with a real, real good pass rush.
Now that is not good! It is not horrible, because it is Peyton, but it is also not good. KJ looked lost several times, GQ didn`t look good all game, McCain got beat...
KJ willlearn from this game, as well as the rest of our young secondary. And next week against McNabb I expect better numbers - but so far our secondary seems to be our weakness this year!
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Oh good Lord, go wash your mouth out with soap. Don't even SAY that ****.
Or is it your keyboard.......
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't like Dunta.......but he didn't look as bad as Kareem Jackson looked today.
However you can tell alot of his problems is just due to inexperience. A couple of times it looked like he didn't even know what play was called or what some of his assignments were. Those are issues that can be fixed in the film room and with good coaching.
Mention what? Show me a team that has a QB throwing for 400 yards playing against a team that has a 200+ yard rusher, and I'll show you the probably outcome: the team with the stud RB probably won.
Texas T
Veteran
For some reason I never saw KJ celebrating a tackle and allowing the Forehead to throw a TD on his side...just saying...
KJ did a good job, not great, against a fantastic QB and I'm sure he'll only get better.
ReliantTexan
Waterboy
The defense as a whole was great , they kept the colts at 10 points for the first three quarters and kept us in the lead through the entire game. Now I'll agree that the secondary especially our corners for the most part were picked apart, but understand that manning threw the ball more than he ever has in his career 57 attempts. The defense weathered the storm and made the necessary stops.
In the old days, we would have called them garbage stats.
Goatcheese
Texan
Robinson gave up just 3 receptions for 24 yards against Manning in our first meeting with the Colts last season...
Jackson gave up that in a quarter today.
He's going to get better, and you can't judge a rookie by one game against a HoF QB, but he can't carry D-Rob's "Pay MeRick" cleats at this point.
I don't doubt that there are areas that need improvement.
But it's on film for us as well. Washington & Dallas have got pretty good QB/WR combos as well. Our passing game is going to have to show up if we're to have a chance of winning the next two.
And we weren't even blitzing.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
When did our fan base stop understanding football?
Our defense was fanFNtastic today. They held the Colts to 10 first half points, made a huge Red Zone stop to force them to settle for a field goal and put Manning on his ass all day.
They ran all kinds of blitzes which means the secondary was left on an island. The secondary did a great job of keeping everything in front of them.
We just beat the Colts today. Not just win, beat. We dismantled them.
I am trying not to get to excited b/c its just one game and now have to go off and play the Skins and Cowboys but damn, it's hard not to.
I am extremely excited about our D!
Our defense was fanFNtastic today. They held the Colts to 10 first half points, made a huge Red Zone stop to force them to settle for a field goal and put Manning on his ass all day.
They ran all kinds of blitzes which means the secondary was left on an island. The secondary did a great job of keeping everything in front of them.
We just beat the Colts today. Not just win, beat. We dismantled them.
I am trying not to get to excited b/c its just one game and now have to go off and play the Skins and Cowboys but damn, it's hard not to.
I am extremely excited about our D!
Bronco Texan
Waterboy
I don't think so. If we can get good production out of Foster for the next two games I think our passing game just needs to be decent. The Colts have a better passing attack then Dallas or Washington, and we didn't need Schaub at all today. Now do I expect Foster to rack up 231 yards the next two weeks? Nope, but I don't see why he can't average 130 yards.
Also who are we kidding? Schaub, AJ, JJ, OD, and KW aren't going anywhere this team's passing game will be strong again. Pair that with Foster's running game and we will be dangerous.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
Nobody gets rid of the ball quicker than Manning and he was on hid butt all day long. I'm fine with how our D played today. Especially without one of our best players. Couldn't ask for more.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
And pair that with a defense that got some nuts and we will win the division!
Dammit I told myself I wouldn't get excited. I just can't help it!
axman40
Hall of Fame
TexanBacker93
Veteran
The defense got stops when they needed stops. At the end of the 1st half they kept Indy out of the endzone and forced a FG, in the second half Mario got the big sack to take Indy out of FG range, they forced the fumble when they were clinging to a 10 point lead early in the 4th. A young defense was facing one of the greatest QBs to ever play and held them to 10 points through the until there was only 5 minutes left in the game. They were also 4/12 on 3rd downs.
I'll be concerned if it continues, but right now I couldn't be happier.
Well, losing Barwin sucks so I guess I could be happier.
I'll be concerned if it continues, but right now I couldn't be happier.
Well, losing Barwin sucks so I guess I could be happier.