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Texans Still Courting Aaron Schobel

As I posted in another thread IF money is holding this deal back just pay the guy IMO.
 
gary said:
As I posted in another thread IF money is holding this deal back just pay the guy IMO.
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I'll have to agree with this. I'm never one for over-spending, but in the uncapped year a one year contract can't possibly hurt us. Even if the guy ends up eating his way to a terrible year, it is still not really a big loss. Reward is way bigger then the risk in this case.
 
Mac Engel of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram passes along a rumor that free agent Aaron Schobel is reconsidering a return to the NFL.
His target team would apparently again be the Texans. Engel only cites "TCU people" for the speculation, but it wouldn't be a big surprise, and Houston could use him. Gary Kubiak's team was forced to keep both Tim Jamison and Jesse Nading at end behind Mario Williams, Antonio Smith, and Connor Barwin. Schobel would be an obvious upgrade over Nading or Jamison.
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TexCanada said:
I'll have to agree with this. I'm never one for over-spending, but in the uncapped year a one year contract can't possibly hurt us. Even if the guy ends up eating his way to a terrible year, it is still not really a big loss. Reward is way bigger then the risk in this case.
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Schobel is known for having a passion for the game. Not the type to be seen "eating his way to a terrible year."
 
Is there really a 10 sack season or highly productive season left in him? Is there something extra he brings that Connor Barwin can't do other than to give the team more options?
 
The reason it's speculated he wants a pretty large contract is because the Bills were due to pay him a hefty sum.

In addition, IIRC, I think Schobel had made some hints that he's near the end of his career. Especially since he retired recently. IMO, he retired on purpose so that it would lay the groundwork for the Texans to throw him more money than they would have if he had gone through with a contract earlier on.

Retiring, then just sitting around did two things: (1) Rested him, since he doesn't have to bust it during camp. And (2) Makes the Texans pursue him even more because the season is almost upon us.

If this goes down, Schobel is a smart man. LOL.
 
Ryan said:
Is there really a 10 sack season or highly productive season left in him? Is there something extra he brings that Connor Barwin can't do other than to give the team more options?
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I like Connor but this guy is much more proven and is worth a one year deal. Of couse the risk is there but it is very low in this case.
 
Ryan said:
Is there really a 10 sack season or highly productive season left in him? Is there something extra he brings that Connor Barwin can't do other than to give the team more options?
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Don't know if he has another 10 sack season in him, but he is a definite upgrade over Nading. He is very familiar with Bill Kollar and what he wants to do. Just think of how good our 8 man DL rotation could be.
 
JB said:
Don't know if he has another 10 sack season in him, but he is a definite upgrade over Nading. He is very familiar with Bill Kollar and what he wants to do. Just think of how good our 8 man DL rotation could be.
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Bingo. It doesn't matter if he's an All-Pro. What matters is he's a helluva lot better than the backups we've got and his upside is that he may even be good enough to start.
 
I would love to see Schobel as part of our crew, but I just can't see paying him the $8 million or so he was due. If he's willing to come down to about $3 or $4 for one year, then, ok. But $8 million? No.
 
houstonspartan said:
I would love to see Schobel as part of our crew, but I just can't see paying him the $8 million or so he was due. If he's willing to come down to about $3 or $4 for one year, then, ok. But $8 million? No.
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It's not my money, it's Uncle Bob's.

And it's an uncapped year.

Why worry about what it takes to get him here?

Just get him here.
 
TexansFanatic said:
It's not my money, it's Uncle Bob's.

And it's an uncapped year.

Why worry about what it takes to get him here?

Just get him here.
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He is light years better than what is there right now and he does not complain I say just pay him.
 
The first time I heard this today I dismissed it. But I just heard the following from one other person who would know. Unknown
Former TCU defensive end and the recently "retired" Aaron Schobel of the Buffalo Bills has not ruled out playing this season for the Houston Texans.
A native of Columbus, Texas, Schobel has played for the Bills since he entered the NFL in 2001. But TCU people who know Schobel well said the toll of the game plus the struggles of the Bills forced him to retire. It was widely assumed that if he decided to return it would be for a team close to his home in Columbus; Houston made the most sense.
These same people said the Texans have been rather persistent in their pursuit, and he has told them he would let them know on Monday if he will play again.
He was officially released by the Bills back in early August, thus making him a free agent. Since NFL rosters had to be trimmed to 53, the Texans would have to create a spot for Schobel should he decide to play. The NFL regular season begins next weekend.
Schobel, 32, was a second round pick of the Bills out of TCU. He has been to two Pro Bowls, and has 78 career sacks.
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Looks like we should know something tomorrow.

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Ryan said:
Is there really a 10 sack season or highly productive season left in him? Is there something extra he brings that Connor Barwin can't do other than to give the team more options?
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You can NEVER have too many pass rushers on the D-Line. They bring in Schobel, you can move Mario and Smith around and still have Schobel and Barwin on the field at the same time. You could stand Barwin up and let him rush like 3-4 OLB and so on...

Alot of exotic things you could do with Mario, Smith, Barwin and Schobel....
 
Well, at the very least he'd give it his all which is all I ask for after paying any player.
 
@JasonLaCanfora

Reports of Aaron Schobel considering a return to football with the Texans are not correct, according to a source close to the situation
 
If I'm wagering, and I do, I'm making the bet he's in a Texans uniform. I agree with an uncapped year, who cares what he's paid, it's not coming out of my pock... er... wait... tickets... beer... screw it, stay home Aaron! ;)
 
houstonspartan said:
I would love to see Schobel as part of our crew, but I just can't see paying him the $8 million or so he was due. If he's willing to come down to about $3 or $4 for one year, then, ok. But $8 million? No.
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This ^^^^ exactly!!!!! He ain't worth $7 or $8 mill...
 
Dunta Robinson made $9,957,000 last year.

If Schobel could provide more quarterback hurries and sacks to the Texans defense I don't know what the holdup would be in paying him (or even overpaying him) in an uncapped year.

How much are the playoffs worth to you?
 
TexansFanatic said:
Dunta Robinson made $9,957,000 last year.

If Schobel could provide more quarterback hurries and sacks to the Texans defense I don't know what the holdup would be in paying him (or even overpaying him) in an uncapped year.

How much are the playoffs worth to you?
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Funny how you're willing to spend money not coming out of your own pocket. Who cares if next year is uncapped. That has nothing to do with running a profitable business. Are the playoffs worth more money? Absolutely, but spending 7 or 8 million for 10 sacks is asinine.... 3, 4 maybe even 5.... okay.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Dunta Robinson made $9,957,000 last year.

If Schobel could provide more quarterback hurries and sacks to the Texans defense I don't know what the holdup would be in paying him (or even overpaying him) in an uncapped year.

How much are the playoffs worth to you?
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As a five year season ticket holder and a huge Texans fan, the playoffs are a HUGE deal to me. But, I'm sorry, I just don't see Schobel being worth $8 million per year.

Using your logic, let's give him $200 million for one season and re-name the stadium after him.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Funny how you're willing to spend money not coming out of your own pocket.
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Are you somehow under the impression Bob McNair can't afford a few more million?

Texan_Bill said:
Are the playoffs worth more money? Absolutely, but spending 7 or 8 million for 10 sacks is asinine.... 3, 4 maybe even 5.... okay.
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That's amazing. Ten sacks could be the difference between 8 wins and 11 wins. The playoffs are worth more money because success brings in money in merchandising.

Even heard the term penny wise, pound foolish?
 
houstonspartan said:
As a five year season ticket holder and a huge Texans fan, the playoffs are a HUGE deal to me. But, I'm sorry, I just don't see Schobel being worth $8 million per year.
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You just keep saying you don't think he's worth it but you don't tell me why.

houstonspartan said:
Using your logic, let's give him $200 million for one season and re-name the stadium after him.
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That's not my logic at all. He's not asking for $200 million. We don't even know for sure he's asking for $8 million. But we do know he was slated to make $8 million this year with Buffalo. So, clearly Buffalo didn't think it was unreasonable to offer him that kind of money.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Are you somehow under the impression Bob McNair can't afford a few more million?



That's amazing. Ten sacks could be the difference between 8 wins and 11 wins. The playoffs are worth more money because success brings in money in merchandising.

Even heard the term penny wise, pound foolish?
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If it were only that simple!


:lol: Pay a guy a $million a sack!! Brilliant!!!! :rolleyes:
 
If bringing in Schobel @ $8 mill guaranteed a playoff berth, I would be all for it. But it doesn't. I do think that he could be a nice addition to the rotation, but he is not the one missing piece to take us to the promised land, imo. If he was willing to play for a reasonable incentive laden contract, I would love for us to sign him.

To throw a huge sum of money on a wish and a prayer...not so much.
 
TexansFanatic said:
You just keep saying you don't think he's worth it but you don't tell me why.



That's not my logic at all. He's not asking for $200 million. We don't even know for sure he's asking for $8 million. But we do know he was slated to make $8 million this year with Buffalo. So, clearly Buffalo didn't think it was unreasonable to offer him that kind of money.
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You're right. I didn't answer your original question of why he's not worth that kind of cash.

I think he's too old. Yes, when I heard about his productivity, I started drooling. But, we are assuming that he will have that same level of productivity this year as he did last year. And, I'm sorry, man, but $8 million for a 32-year-old is just too much money.


Am I making unfair assumptions about Schobel based on his age? Perhaps. But I'm likely not the only one doing so. Why didn't the Patriots sign him?

You are correct that we don't know what he's asking for. You are correct that he is possibly asking for a lot less than $8 million. That brings up another issue: Why is he hesitating? If he wants to play for the Texans, and is willing to settle for less to play for his home team, what's the problem here? Is it just about him not wanting to go through the grind of training camp?

I don't think his heart is into the game anymore.

The sweet spot for Schoebel would be about $3.5 million for one year. That would be fair.

But $8 million? Hell to the no.
 
JB said:
If bringing in Schobel @ $8 mill guaranteed a playoff berth, I would be all for it. But it doesn't. I do think that he could be a nice addition to the rotation, but he is not the one missing piece to take us to the promised land, imo. If he was willing to play for a reasonable incentive laden contract, I would love for us to sign him.

To throw a huge sum of money on a wish and a prayer...not so much.
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Right on!! I like Schobel, but I like him at about 3 to 4 mill a year, NOT 7 or 8....
 
Texan_Bill said:
If it were only that simple!


:lol: Pay a guy a $million a sack!! Brilliant!!!! :rolleyes:
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Not sure what you're laughing at. He's a football player who specializes in rushing the passer. So, essentially yes, you're paying for sacks.

Mario's cap number last year was $7.5 million. How many sacks did he have? Nine. Perhaps you should call the Texans front office and laugh hysterically over the phone while exclaiming: "Brilliant! Almost a million dollars per sack!"
 
Tacked on the bottom of the nfl.com article about the Texans possible being interested in Leinart is this:

"In other Texans news, a league source tells NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that defensive end Aaron Schobel will not be coming out of retirement to join the team.

It had been reported that Schobel, a native of Columbus, TX, was considering the move, but it is now believed that the 33-year-old isn't wavering on his decision to leave the game. He spent his entire nine-year career with the Bills, earning two Pro Bowl nods."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-may-find-landing-place-as-backup-with-texans
 
Hervoyel said:
Tacked on the bottom of the nfl.com article about the Texans possible being interested in Leinart is this:

"In other Texans news, a league source tells NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that defensive end Aaron Schobel will not be coming out of retirement to join the team.

It had been reported that Schobel, a native of Columbus, TX, was considering the move, but it is now believed that the 33-year-old isn't wavering on his decision to leave the game. He spent his entire nine-year career with the Bills, earning two Pro Bowl nods."


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There will continue to be conflicting stories until he either files his retirement papers with the NFL, or signs with a team.
 
houstonspartan said:
I think he's too old. Yes, when I heard about his productivity, I started drooling. But, we are assuming that he will have that same level of productivity this year as he did last year. And, I'm sorry, man, but $8 million for a 32-year-old is just too much money.
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OK, fair enough I guess.

I think a better answer is that there is a dangerous precedent you set when you throw money around. Players start pointing at other players and asking the owners: "He got his. Where's mine?"

Having said that: if you've had 8 straight seasons of losing and mediocrity, you need to do everything you can to get over the hump and become a playoff team for the first time. You have a superior player who could/maybe/possibly be the final piece that gives you that one extra win that puts you over the finish line and you have to overpay him by $3 million or $4 million for one season-----if you are truly committed to winning and not the bottom line---you do it.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Not sure what you're laughing at. He's a football player who specializes in rushing the passer. So, essentially yes, you're paying for sacks.

Mario's cap number last year was $7.5 million. How many sacks did he have? Nine. Perhaps you should call the Texans front office and laugh hysterically over the phone while exclaiming: "Brilliant! Almost a million dollars per sack!"
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No, I laugh at people like you that thinking that throwing around money is the answer!! I'm guessing business or finance was not your major in school.
 
@McClain_on_NFL

Lots of reports say Aaron Schobel will sign with Texans on Monday. They've had an offer on the table for him. Right now, he's still retired
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The texans have brought in 3 guys no one knows much about, one is a running back, use this guy as your 3rd stringer and stop the merry-go-round of players in -players out, then there is this talk of Schobel, the guy hasn't had more contact than tiger woods and he's 40, sure he had a good yr. last yr but that means nothing for this yr. the 3 guys brought into the Texans camp are inferior athletes to the ones on our PS. so before you pay a 40 yr. old guy 7/8 million dollars for 1 yr. bring up Shep from the PS, he's 6ft.2 and 290lbs. and could give you quality minutes for way less $, besides Williams and Smith should do just fine at the DE anyway.
 
Texan_Bill said:
No, I laugh at people like you that thinking that throwing around money is the answer!! I'm guessing business or finance was not your major in school.
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You've lost the argument when you make it personal.

If I wanted the Texans to throw money around I'd be asking them to pay me $8 million. I'm not doing that.

I'm suggesting the Texans should pay a top-notch player top-notch money in a year when doing so isn't prohibited by the league in order to take advantage of every resource available to them in order to win.

You're telling me a player isn't worth a certain amount of money, but rather than tell me why he's not worth the money you tell me I must not have been a business major.
 
TexansFanatic said:
You've lost the argument when you make it personal.

If I wanted the Texans to throw money around I'd be asking them to pay me $8 million. I'm not doing that.

I'm suggesting the Texans should pay a top-notch player top-notch money in a year when doing so isn't prohibited by the league in order to take advantage of every resource available to them in order to win.

You're telling me a player isn't worth a certain amount of money, but rather than tell me why he's not worth the money you tell me I must not have been a business major.
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My concern is the prospect of a veteran grabbing one last paycheck but not being focused for a season of football. Not only could his play early in the season be costly, but it could create a negative environment between players like Zac Diles, Owen Daniels and the management. They've been trying to get paid and haven't. Yet the Texans give this guy that missed all of camp a ton of money and hand him a starting job that he didn't earn, he plays poorly and seems disinterested... well, you get the idea... it could end poorly. And, we lose a player like Jamison to make room for him.
 
TexansFanatic said:
You've lost the argument when you make it personal.

If I wanted the Texans to throw money around I'd be asking them to pay me $8 million. I'm not doing that.

I'm suggesting the Texans should pay a top-notch player top-notch money in a year when doing so isn't prohibited by the league in order to take advantage of every resource available to them in order to win.

You're telling me a player isn't worth a certain amount of money, but rather than tell me why he's not worth the money you tell me I must not have been a business major.
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YUP!!! Pretty much I am telling you that.... That you have no idea on business and player worth... As much as I would love for Aaron Schobel to become a Texan, I would't acccept 8 million...
 
TexansFanatic said:
You've lost the argument when you make it personal.

If I wanted the Texans to throw money around I'd be asking them to pay me $8 million. I'm not doing that.

I'm suggesting the Texans should pay a top-notch player top-notch money in a year when doing so isn't prohibited by the league in order to take advantage of every resource available to them in order to win.

You're telling me a player isn't worth a certain amount of money, but rather than tell me why he's not worth the money you tell me I must not have been a business major.
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Actually, I was considering a similar reply to you, maybe not as blunt. I was wondering if you had any idea how business works. The impression that you give is that you do not. No offense intended.

A good businessman knows that Andre Johnson, for example, is worth it. Aaron Schobel, on the other hand, is not as much of a sure thing. That has nothing to do with business sense or being a finance major. That's just common sense, 101.

Sorry, man, but $8 million for a 33-year-old football player who may not even have a heart for the game anymore makes NO sense.
 
dalemurphy said:
My concern is the prospect of a veteran grabbing one last paycheck but not being focused for a season of football. Not only could his play early in the season be costly, but it could create a negative environment between players like Zac Diles, Owen Daniels and the management. They've been trying to get paid and haven't. Yet the Texans give this guy that missed all of camp a ton of money and hand him a starting job that he didn't earn, he plays poorly and seems disinterested... well, you get the idea... it could end poorly. And, we lose a player like Jamison to make room for him.
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I have heard he is not the kind of player who takes plays off. He plays for the love of the game.

But I hear you. I wouldn't offer a player a lot of money if I thought money was the only reason he was playing and he wasn't going to be giving me everything he had on every down.
 
lukewarm about Schobel to say the least, but you know, better Schobel than Lienhart. LOL
 
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