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KB potentially injured
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Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
If this is true, Neil Rackers is our new kicker.
I understand plantar fasciitis to be a condition, not an injury. The plantar fascia is connective tissue between the heal and the sole of the foot. It becomes inflamed and makes it painful to bear weight on that foot. It usually requires surgery.
Texans fans should be familiar with this condition. Mario Williams played his entire rookie season with it.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Kicker competition over.....
If everything is equal, you got to take the guy who's healthy. This injury could actually be a blessing....makes that decision MUCH easier.
If everything is equal, you got to take the guy who's healthy. This injury could actually be a blessing....makes that decision MUCH easier.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Very true. I thought Rackers had the edge anyway, but this closes the case for Kubiak and an FO that can be loyal to a fault.
Kris Brown said last year that he couldn't figure out why his kicks were pulling left. Maybe tight fascia in your planted foot could be the reason.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
If they do go with Rackers, I hope KB gets a chance to retire rather than being cut. He deserves it after all these years with the team.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
TexanSam
Hall of Fame
Why would he retire though? Unless he thinks this injury will prevent him from ever kicking again (at least at a high level) I would assume he would take time off to let the injury heal and sign with a team next year.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
KB injured, that sucks. I am not convinced Rackers is the answer. His leg power from 50+ is severely lacking....
You guys better be careful what you wish for because the first time Rackers comes up short on a 53 yarder, you're gonna wish you had Kris Brown back...
You guys better be careful what you wish for because the first time Rackers comes up short on a 53 yarder, you're gonna wish you had Kris Brown back...
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Last year, Brown was battling this same plantar fasciitis problem.
Here is a simple explaination of what plantar fasciitis, how it's caused, and what it's implications are. In this explanation, Eli Manning is used as the example, but the need for repeated "planting" of the foot and "push off" is easily extrapolated to Brown's case.
And here are examples of its most common treatments.
Nine-five percent of cases can be treated without surgery. One of the other common treatments not mentioned in the video, is injection of corticosteroids into the plantar fascia to decrease its inflammation. These injections, though, can weaken the fascia and increase its chance of rupture, and hence require surgical repair.
If the condition still persists after six months of conservative treatment, a technique of extra-corporeal shock wave therapy has been found to have some surprisingly good results. This is the use of a high frequency shock wave (much like breaking up kidney stones with sonic shock lithotripsy) to stimulate healing.
If problems still continue for a prolonged period of time and are unresponsive to the above treatments, surgery may be needed to release (lengthen) the fascia. Return to play success following surgery has been reported anywhere from 70-90%.
The problem with this condition is that it is easily aggravated, and the most important part of the treatment requires that the player returns to activity as pain has been shown to resolve...........most players try to play or are made to play through their injury and end up re-injuring and reinflaming the fascia.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Just proof that no one on this board reads what I write. KB has suffered from this since the 2008 season. He bought his own hyperbaric chamber to help with the healing. Not only that, he had a severe staph infection in his leg that required IV antibiotics. I saw him limp before the game started last night, and was wondering if this was still giving him problems. Most members of this board are to hell bent on crusifying him than trying to understand why he had a lousy season last year.
Understand something!! I am not a homer! If this is still a problem for Kris then he needs to be replaced. He would be the first one to tell you that!! I hope the Texans puts him on IR simply because I do NOT think Rackers is the final answer. Did anyone pay attention to his warmups at halftime?? If not, you should have. Give Rackers this year to PROVE what he can do and give Kris a year to heal. If this is long term for Kris, then please God, let him retire a Texan!!
Understand something!! I am not a homer! If this is still a problem for Kris then he needs to be replaced. He would be the first one to tell you that!! I hope the Texans puts him on IR simply because I do NOT think Rackers is the final answer. Did anyone pay attention to his warmups at halftime?? If not, you should have. Give Rackers this year to PROVE what he can do and give Kris a year to heal. If this is long term for Kris, then please God, let him retire a Texan!!
Dwade
Waterboy
I don't expect kicks from 50+ to land each time, however I do expect 20-40 yarders every time, and Kris Brown missed a lot of those last year. I'll take the accurate kicker in Rackers over KB.
And if he's injured, that makes it that much easier.
eriadoc
Texan-American
The first time he comes up short on a 53 yarder, I'm just going to assume that Kris Brown would have kicked it 60 yards outside the uprights.
I'll take accuracy over distance any day.
TimeKiller
Guest
This certainly isn't the first time I've heard of his PF woes but if you play, you're fair game for criticism. Being just injured enough to play but not do well is the Tracy McGrady way of life. I'm not saying KB is a wuss like Tmac, I mean did you see that tackle last night?! I'm just saying performance matters and if you need to sit to be healthy to give your VERY best performance, you do it for yourself and the team.
I think this pretty much puts a lock on Rackers being the kicker.
gary
Hall of Fame
Hoping for an injury in or for another player to make the team is not the way to be. If the coaches do not know who the kicker should be without the other being injured then maybe they should go. If Kris is not right then it is serious and I hope the Texans do place him on IR and then let him decide the direction he'd like to go from there JMO.
Scooter
Funky
i wonder if that is the extra "hitch in his giddy-up" that i've been criticizing for the past season and a half. any bets on if this began the back half of 2008? kris brown is excessively on his toes (which according to CND's link is a cause) during approach and has become increasingly "bouncy" for lack of a better term - almost skipping. as i've been saying, kris browns problems are entirely in his approach and plantar fasciitis certainly makes sense.
i cant say that rackers is any more aesthetically pleasing as the complete opposite. very squat with short steps and more of a roundhouse than i like, but he's got a much better base and plant, leading to better balance than brown - making it easier for him to be consistant if not all together accurate (not always inclusive), but also accounts for the difference in distance between the two.
i'm hoping rackers is our kicker, but i certainly dont want the decision to be made on injury. with brown's hometown and one of the nicest individuals to ever wear a uniform status, distance, and "athleticism" as evident by his tackles on special teams (a reminder given by potentially saving a touchdown with a great form tackle on the opening kickoff last night) ... i was hoping this to be an earned battle. i dont think we've seen a kick yet that was more than a couple inches off of dead center, the competition was certainly working.
well, bet's off as shetex confirms this began in 08.
i cant say that rackers is any more aesthetically pleasing as the complete opposite. very squat with short steps and more of a roundhouse than i like, but he's got a much better base and plant, leading to better balance than brown - making it easier for him to be consistant if not all together accurate (not always inclusive), but also accounts for the difference in distance between the two.
i'm hoping rackers is our kicker, but i certainly dont want the decision to be made on injury. with brown's hometown and one of the nicest individuals to ever wear a uniform status, distance, and "athleticism" as evident by his tackles on special teams (a reminder given by potentially saving a touchdown with a great form tackle on the opening kickoff last night) ... i was hoping this to be an earned battle. i dont think we've seen a kick yet that was more than a couple inches off of dead center, the competition was certainly working.
well, bet's off as shetex confirms this began in 08.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Agree 10000 percent. Well said.
Regardless of what was wrong with Kris Brown, all I know is whenever he is about to kick I get a knot in my stomach and hold my breath.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
If a player is put on IR, what does that do to a roster spot on the 53? This could be a blessing in disguise folks. They were pretty much tied in their preseason competition. I was just as aggrevated at Brown last year as the next guy, but he has a stronger leg than Rackers does, IMHO. If we IR him, can we use Rackers, get a feel for him while Kris heals up, and if Rackers ends up sucking, cut him and insert Brown? I'm not saying that Kris isn't hurt, but this is a good way to carry 2 kickers. How long do you have to be out if placed on IR?
drs23
Veteran
Currently, all season.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
IR does not count against the roster spot but if a player thinks they can play, they generally request an injury settlement and a release so they can find a team to hook up with and play for.
If we IR'd Kris, he'd probably request a settlement. There's definitely some team that would hire him, PF and all.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't think anybody was hoping for a injury, but since it has already happened then we can talk about it.
Going into the year, if the kicking competition was tied, I wanted the team to go ahead and move on without Kris Brown (Sorry, but I can no longer trust this guy...a change of scenery is needed for both parties...he might as well be named Brad Lidge), but I was scared they weren't going to make that decision. Let's face it, it sometimes takes Kubiak years to make some decisions and he's loyal to a fault sometimes.
If Brown has been struggling with this condition for a few years, then why the hell did we keep throwing Brown out there last season? Seriously, can someone answer that. We have a kicker with a bad wheel, but we kept putting ball games on that banged up foot, doesn't make any sense.
Oh well, like I said.....the kicking competition is tied and Kris Brown's foot is flaring up again so it'll probably force the team to make the move that they should of made last season, which isn't the worst thing in the world.
Kris Brown is a fantastic human being and I wish him nothing but the best if we do let him go, but what he has sounds like it's developing into a serious chronic injury, on that basis alot (kicking aside) we should be looking for his replacement.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Which is the saddest thing about all of this. Last season Kris Brown was the last original Texan left on the roster and if he was healthy it would've been his "OG" foot that finally put this team into the playoffs, but instead....well we all saw what happened.
Oh well, even though "technically" he's not a original texan......I still look at Andre Johnson as one. He's been here for 99% of the B.S. and heartache that this team has had to deal with on their way up from the celler.
If we do make the playoffs and by some miracle get a home playoff game, I'd love to bring back players like Aaron Glenn, Jamie Sharper, Dommanick Davis (Williams), Gary Walker, Chester Pitts, Petey Faggins (yes...even Petey) ect.
You know the players who busted their butts for this franchise, yet were never able to see the fruits of their labor
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
damaged goods, end of story.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Players who are sent to injured reserve by a club receive their full salary unless they signed a "split contract" which designates a base salary for a player if he makes the team and a lower salary if he winds up on injured reserve. Typically the only players signing a split contract are undrafted rookies and a few veterans with severe medical histories.
It may work to KB's benefit to try for complete recovery on IR, and to the Texans' benefit for "insurance" of at least good competition in the 2011 preseason (if there is a 2011 season) if Rackers performs less than stellar this year. The thing is, with KB's big contract extension, this route would not be cheapest route to go for the Texans.
It may work to KB's benefit to try for complete recovery on IR, and to the Texans' benefit for "insurance" of at least good competition in the 2011 preseason (if there is a 2011 season) if Rackers performs less than stellar this year. The thing is, with KB's big contract extension, this route would not be cheapest route to go for the Texans.
I dunno, Kris seems to really likes the Houston area.
If his thought process was "well I'll just get a job somewhere else if I get cut here" then I don't think he would have been as hurt when we brought Rackers in. He's an original Texan so that alone should tell you that Houston is pretty much home to him and his family. I could see him taking th eIR and trying to come back next year and reclaim his job.
You could be absolutely right, because if Rackers does well all season and hits some key kicks competition may not be welcome.
It'd be interesting to see though.
Andrew6
All Pro
If Texans PUP him can we keep him hidden to check Rackers out in the regular season? This way he still gets paid, still a Texan and if Rackers doesn't pan out we can always have K.Brown after a few games.
Really sucks about K. Brown. Stand up guy who does so much for the fans and kids especially. Heres to a speedy recovery.
Really sucks about K. Brown. Stand up guy who does so much for the fans and kids especially. Heres to a speedy recovery.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
In that case, he will count against the roster. Not sure the Texans would go for that.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
This! (regarding the option of testing out Rackers and havig KB as a safety net). I'm not sure if Kris got his head right yet, but I don't get the "warm and fuzzies" with Rackers at all. I just don't think he's the guy for us. He has a weak leg and it's going to hurt us on long field goals and kick offs. He may be accurate from 20-40 yards, but those aren't usually the game winners in a 2 minute drive. I don't know if Kris is our final solution, but I think he'll be better than Rackers.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
What gives you the idea Kris has anything wrong with his "head?" Just wondering!!
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
PUP isn't an option.
Players can only be placed on the reserve PUP list (The one that goes the first six weeks of the season) if they have previously been placed on the active PUP list (The preseason PUP list that O.D. just came off of).
Players can only be placed on the active PUP list if they have not participated in any practices. Therefore KB isn't eligible for the active PUP, and because he can't be placed on the active PUP list, he can't be placed on the 2010 reserve PUP list.
Final note - while players on the active PUP list do count against the 80 (or 75) man roster limits, players on the reserve PUP list don't count against the 53 man roster. In fact, once the six week period is up, it's not uncommon for an NFL team to get a one or two week roster exemption while determining whether to add the player back to the roster (which would require cutting someone), or to place him on IR for the remainder of the year.
AJ has done a great summary of the PUP rules the last couple of years - here's this year's summary.
LINK
Edit: In re-reading AJ's article, the roster exemption period after the 6 weeks of reserve PUP is up to 3 weeks.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Do you really have to ask that question? I think the shanks he had last year were due to mental errors, for whatever reason. The man has all the physical tools and he's proven that he can kick in the NFL, so when it all of a sudden takes a turn for the worse, I chalk that up to mental problems. It's no different than a golfer's swing
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I think even Kris is on record as saying he's not changing anything about his mechanics, since his mechanics weren't the problem last season.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Those of you who want Kris out for whatever reason you have, will probably get your wish. I believe he had more physical than mental issues, but, that's my opinion.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I never said I want him out. If the coaches only thought it was a physical issue, I don't think they would have brought in a kicker for competition. As a coach, you acknowledge that your man is hurt and you give him time to heal, that never happened in this case. I wish Kris the best and I'd like to see him stay if he can get back to his former stats. If he kicks like he did last season, it's in everyone's best interest that they part ways. It's all about winning. Those misses were squarely on his shoulders, for whatever reason, be it mental or physical. It's his responsibility to get right whatever is wrong.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Appreciate the clarification........and the link
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
KB was on the sidelines yesterday in a walking boot. Hopefully, this is a means that the Texans are trying to stretch the Achilles tendon while keeping the plantar fascia "stretched" on a 24 hour basis (rather than only wearing a night splint or boot). But this chronically recurring problem cannot help but affect performance, even if intermittently. Let me interject, that if KB's performance has been or is affected, this does by no means make him a "wuss." You might think of yourself hopping on one foot with a huge skin blister in your arch area, while having a 1 inch rock stuck in the arch of your shoe.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Hell no. Plantar fasciitis sucks. I had it for about 6 months and it's hard to get right.
I've said all along that I like KB, and it's unfortunate that kickers have the situation they have. But it's what he signed on for. If he can't reliably make kicks, for whatever reason, then he needs to be replaced. It's really that simple in the NFL.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I walk around like that every single day, just for the the fun of it. Why? Because I'm a MAN Cloak. An awesome MAN who rubbed a blister on the bottom of my foot and attached a big rock to it with a rubber band. It's how I roll.....errr....or hobble.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
As Confusius would say, "You belly silly man." I bet you also put rattlesnakes in your jock strap to help you get going in the morning.
Texas T
Veteran
Actually this is a pretty good description. I've had it for a year and a half, did all the non surgery stuff, then had the surgery and it still isn't right.
Turns out mine is nerve damage in my lower back causing the problems.
That being said I could not imagine trying to kick field goals with my foot (either one) feeling like that-much less chaising someone down and tackling them (ala KB vs. Cowboys).
I hope he gets better and this is the cause of his problems.
Great guy and a "MAN" playing like this.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I would just like to know what are they planning on doing. My "sceptical alarm" is going off on this thing though. They are saying that he has an injury and this injury may be the reason that he had some miscues last season. If that's the case, why didn't anyone say anything? Why did they bring in a kicker if he was only "off" due to the injury? I'm all for competition, but I don't think Rackers is better than Brown. I think Kris has a stronger leg and will give us the ability to kick a few from 50+, as long as he gets his accuracy back. Rackers barely made the 52 yarder (I think it was a 52 yarder) and needed the help of the cross bar to get it in. Kris has the leg to hit it better than that.
How could the cross bar help him get it in?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Yep. If 52 yards is the "lucky" max for a healthy Rackers, I don't think that's gonna cut it as a kicker I'd feel comfortable with.