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Steve Slaton injured

Cjeremy635

Cjeremy635

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I'm watching the replays on NFL Network and I just saw them do an update news thing from around the league. They said that Slaton suffered "turf toe" against the Cowboys and will not play next week. Anyone know how long it takes to heal from that? Any longer heal time being a RB?
 
Kubiak said they're going to try to get him ready for the opener, so apparently he doesn't think it will be too serious.
 
Ryan said:
Kubiak said they're going to try to get him ready for the opener, so apparently he doesn't think it will be too serious.
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Well that's good to know. Where did you hear it at? Was there a thread already posted somewhere that I missed? I did a quick scan of the front page before starting this one, but I could have missed it.
 
Turf toe sucks. I've seen it re-occur in a player all season long because it wasn't given enough time to heal. Based on what I've seen, I would estimate at least a full month for recovery.

An injury to the plantar capsular ligamentous complex can result in acute and chronic pain, resulting in time lost from sports participation for a short- or long-term period.
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Cjeremy635 said:
Well that's good to know. Where did you hear it at? Was there a thread already posted somewhere that I missed? I did a quick scan of the front page before starting this one, but I could have missed it.
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Just heard it in the post-game interview on 610 on the drive back.

As far as the effect on RBs are concerned, it seems like it could be a significant factor. Let's just hope not.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I'm watching the replays on NFL Network and I just saw them do an update news thing from around the league. They said that Slaton suffered "turf toe" against the Cowboys and will not play next week. Anyone know how long it takes to heal from that? Any longer heal time being a RB?
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Turf toe is a tricky injury...the only way to heal it is by rest and if it isn't treated right it can linger for a long time.

Basically put Slaton on a bike to keep him in shape and don't ask him to run or plant off that toe/foot for a couple of weeks. The injury happens when you plant your foot and then you're tackled and your toe bends backwards and you hyper extend the ligaments in that toe. Jimmy Clausen played through this injury last season, but it lingered on and bothered him all year. I've had it a couple of times and it's painful and very irritating and doesn't go away over night (takes a awhile to fully heal to where you can play pain free...and still, that toe will be very tender)
 
Brisco_County said:
Turf toe sucks. I've seen it re-occur in a player all season long because it wasn't given enough time to heal. Based on what I've seen, I would estimate at least a full month for recovery.



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Plus even if they get him on the field sooner he won't be himself. It looks to me like our running game is going to end up depending on a pair of undrafted free agents we signed last year (Foster & Johnson). Henry, I just don't think has what it takes to be an effective running back in the NFL

I swear every time he gets his hands on the ball we are treated to the quickest, hardest, most ferocious two yards I've ever seen. The man runs hard but he doesn't run smart and he doesn't seem to have any sense of where the hole should appear even though he's been here for a while now. I really want him to succeed and turn into something but I truly don't think he'll be much help.
 
I'll add that this is an especially difficult injury for a runningback, since they have to launch off that toe. LT's first disappointing year with the Chargers (2008) was due to this. The team depended on him, so they didn't give him ample time to heal.
 
Hervoyel said:
Plus even if they get him on the field sooner he won't be himself. It looks to me like our running game is going to end up depending on a pair of undrafted free agents we signed last year (Foster & Johnson). Henry, I just don't think has what it takes to be an effective running back in the NFL

I swear every time he gets his hands on the ball we are treated to the quickest, hardest, most ferocious two yards I've ever seen. The man runs hard but he doesn't run smart and he doesn't seem to have any sense of where the hole should appear even though he's been here for a while now. I really want him to succeed and turn into something but I truly don't think he'll be much help.
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Perhaps as an every down runner, but he's still very good in the passing game on screens and such. I think a more limited role as a change of pace/3rd down back will suit him better.
 
sometexansfan said:
Perhaps as an every down runner, but he's still very good in the passing game on screens and such. I think a more limited role as a change of pace/3rd down back will suit him better.
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He better learn his blocking assignments then, especially for 3rd down blitzes.
 
It depends on how bad it is. If it is turf toe, I have a spur in my toe as a result of mine and am going to have to get surgery done (sometime in september) I've been in a boot for four months mainly because I've put off the surgery hoping it would heal on its own but the spur isn't going away. My doc said that the bone spur is fairly rare (I was running basically barefoot my foot vs a tree root when I did mine) and that me being barefoot and full force probably made mine worse than most cases. Either way, I took the boot off after a month thinking I was ok. I was not. The first time I went to run, it wasn't 10 steps and I was in pretty bad pain so I shut it down.

Lets hope stevie's isn't that bad.

Mike
 
Anybody remember Jack Lambert, Deion Sanders, and Eddie George? They all were forced into retirement because of this "little" toe problem.
 
What is "Turf Toe?"

Turf toe is a condition of pain at the base of the big toe, located at the ball of the foot. Turf toe is usually caused from either jamming the toe, or pushing off repeatedly when running or jumping. The most common complaint is pain at the base of the toe, but patients may also have symptoms of stiffness and swelling.
 
I figured there was a problem because Slatons absense from the game was pretty obvious after his one and only series.
IIRC DE/DT Gary Walker from the old xspantion days on the Texans roster was a player who struggled with this injury ?
 
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IDEXAN said:
I figured there was a problem because Slatons absense from the game was pretty obvious after his one and only series.
IIRC DE/DT Gary Walker from the old xspantion days on the Texans roster was a player who struggled with this injury ?
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You recollect correctly. Turf toe almost killed Walker's inaugural 2004 season.
 
Bad luck with our running backs so far. Foster has looked great so that's a plus but I don't know how well Johnson will be as the #2 back. I'm assuming the Texans will pick somebody up off waivers once cuts are made just to try and shore up the position a little bit.
 
Hervoyel said:
Plus even if they get him on the field sooner he won't be himself. It looks to me like our running game is going to end up depending on a pair of undrafted free agents we signed last year (Foster & Johnson). Henry, I just don't think has what it takes to be an effective running back in the NFL

I swear every time he gets his hands on the ball we are treated to the quickest, hardest, most ferocious two yards I've ever seen. The man runs hard but he doesn't run smart and he doesn't seem to have any sense of where the hole should appear even though he's been here for a while now. I really want him to succeed and turn into something but I truly don't think he'll be much help.
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Here's what I said in my game review in another thread:

2b. JEREMIAH JOHNSON and CHRIS HENRY:
Cut Chris Henry and bring in someone else. The guy is awful. Jeremiah Johnson is like a cross between Moats and Slaton. I was satisfied with his play, and I think he and Slaton can tote the rock if they have to. Chris Henry doesn't look like anything special to me. He consistently finds a way to hit a pile, pump his feet 1,000 times as if he's running the ropes drill, and get arm-tackled at the LOS. Hooray! LOL.
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Ol' Stevie Wonder needs to put it back together soon. Bullfrog is pushing for his role and pushing hard. Don't know if Henry sticks, seems like they value his special teams and athleticism.
 
He does not have turf toe per Kubiak's press conferense. It's a toe strain. Should be ready or the opener! Good news!
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Unfortunately, the two terms refer to the same entity. Kubiak just chose to use the less scarey description.
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The way Kubiak said it left the impression that he believed the two were different, but he did not explain how they might be different. Surely the exact nature of the injury is more important than the label that is affixed to it anyway. Hopefully this is not serious and Steve will be back soon.
 
MojoMan said:
The way Kubiak said it left the impression that he believed the two were different, but he did not explain how they might be different. Surely the exact nature of the injury is more important than the label that is affixed to it anyway. Hopefully this is not serious and Steve will be back soon.
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There ARE grades of turf toe. Although, from Kubiaks' description, we really don't know. Hopefully, it is Grade 1. Although any level of sprain can quickly extend to higher Grade, if not properly attended to.
Eddie George started out as a relatively low grade sprain.

Grade 1 Stretch injury or minor tearing of the capsuloligamentous complex of the first MTP joint

No associated injury


Grade 2 Partial tear of the capsuloligamentous complex of the first MTP joint without involvement of the articular surface

No associated injury


Grade 3 Complete tear of the capsuloligamentous complex
tearing of the plantar plate from its origin on the metatarsal head/neck with dorsal impaction of the proximal phalanx into the metatarsal head

Associated injury: Articular cartilage/subchondral bone bruise, sesamoid fracture, diastasis of the sesamoids, medial/lateral injury
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
There ARE grades of turf toe. Although, from Kubiaks' description, we really don't know. Hopefully, it is Grade 1. Although any level of sprain can quickly extend to higher Grade, if not properly attended to.
Eddie George started out as a relatively low grade sprain.

Grade 1 Stretch injury or minor tearing of the capsuloligamentous complex of the first MTP joint

No associated injury


Grade 2 Partial tear of the capsuloligamentous complex of the first MTP joint without involvement of the articular surface

No associated injury


Grade 3 Complete tear of the capsuloligamentous complex
tearing of the plantar plate from its origin on the metatarsal head/neck with dorsal impaction of the proximal phalanx into the metatarsal head

Associated injury: Articular cartilage/subchondral bone bruise, sesamoid fracture, diastasis of the sesamoids, medial/lateral injury
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If it were grade 2 or 3, I don't think Kubiak would call it a strain. I bet we see him by week 2.
 
They still need to go after another running back even though Arian Foster looked great he is injury prone and slaton is showing his true colors and he can't be trusted to last the entire season.
 
PHAROAH said:
They still need to go after another running back even though Arian Foster looked great he is injury prone and slaton is showing his true colors and he can't be trusted to last the entire season.
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I was hoping either PJ Hill or that Ivory guy that we saw in the Saints game would be available and then it turns out Hill is out for the season and Ivory just cemented his spot on the roster with like a 76 yard TD run.
 
PHAROAH said:
They still need to go after another running back even though Arian Foster looked great he is injury prone and slaton is showing his true colors and he can't be trusted to last the entire season.
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It's going to be interesting to see who gets let go in this first round of cuts. Moats is already available and could be an option to at least pick up someone who already knows most of the playbook.
 
Brisco_County said:
If it were grade 2 or 3, I don't think Kubiak would call it a strain. I bet we see him by week 2.
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Steve Slaton (RB) HOU Updated 8/28/10 11:44 PM Coach Gary Kubiak said that while Slaton (turf toe) is unlikely to play Thursday in the Texans' preseason finale against the Buccaneers, he could be ready for the team's regular season opener on Sept. 12, the Texans' official site reports.

Impacts: That's a little on the vague side, but for his part, Slaton tried to downplay the injury. "My rookie year, the same thing happened against the Cowboys and I missed the last preseason game, so I guess it's a little bad luck with them," Slaton said Saturday. "But it'll get better. It's not too, too bad. I'll be ready...It'll heal with treatment. (I've got) plenty of time." The problem with turf toe injuries is that that can linger, so look for the Texans to play it safe with Slaton for the remainder of the preseason. In any case, this injury won't help Slaton's chances of beating out Arian Foster for the team's starting RB gig.

Kubiak's initial injury "coach speak" doesn't tend to reflect what we usually find out ultimately to be the extent of injuries.
 
Kubiak:
(RB Steve) Slaton's got a little turf toe. Chances are you won't see him Thursday. Hopefully we get him ready to go for Indianapolis.
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If he's not careful, he could get a little herpes with it.:thinking:
 
Frankly, Slaton has looked like crap anyway. He's only had a couple decent plays, a ton of no gainers, and a fumble. The couple of decent plays he had were plays designed to get him out in space. When he's taken the ball from the I formation, it's looked like he has no vision. Actually, he kind of looks like Chris Henry LOL. Hey, maybe we'll see some Chris Henry screen plays against the Bucs.
 
eriadoc said:
Frankly, Slaton has looked like crap anyway. He's only had a couple decent plays, a ton of no gainers, and a fumble. The couple of decent plays he had were plays designed to get him out in space. When he's taken the ball from the I formation, it's looked like he has no vision. Actually, he kind of looks like Chris Henry LOL. Hey, maybe we'll see some Chris Henry screen plays against the Bucs.
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Actually I've wanted to see the bolded with him running with the ones. You know Schaub can sell that screen way better than DanO.
 
The first time Slayton loses a fumble inside the 5 in Regular Season he won't have to worry about minor tearing of the capsuloligamentous complex. He should worry about a ruptured anal sphincter from his butt hitting the Bench.
 
Koolaid Time said:
The first time Slayton loses a fumble inside the 5 in Regular Season he won't have to worry about minor tearing of the capsuloligamentous complex. He should worry about a ruptured anal sphincter from his butt hitting the Bench.
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A who???
 
You all do know that we don't know what Arian Foster will look like in the regular season. The Miami game is the closest that we've seen, and while it shows promise... we don't know.

Slaton... good/bad, whatever... gives us another option at RB.

Same as JJ

Same as Henry.

We are really just as weak at RB as we were last year. Of course if things work out (& with Tate out, Slaton is a big part of that) then we'll end up very strong. But as it is now, we ain't seen nothing yet.
 
thunderkyss said:
You all do know that we don't know what Arian Foster will look like in the regular season. The Miami game is the closest that we've seen, and while it shows promise... we don't know.

We are really just as weak at RB as we were last year. Of course if things work out (& with Tate out, Slaton is a big part of that) then we'll end up very strong. But as it is now, we ain't seen nothing yet.
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We know exactly what Arian Foster is going to be like in the regular season.......he's already proven what he can do in this league. Every time he gets the ball, he makes plays.......has done it from his very first carry, I've already seen what I've needed to see, the kid can play.

the only question with him is can he stay healthy, because that's the thing we haven't seen........we haven't seen him complete a 16 game season......but there are no questions about his ability on the football field.
Sometimes I think Texan fans let the D. Davis, W. Lundy, C. Taylor ghosts haunt them. Arian Foster is his own player and he has nothing to do with those players.
 
Carr Bombed said:
We know exactly what Arian Foster is going to be like in the regular season.......he's already proven what he can do in this league. Every time he gets the ball, he makes plays.......has done it from his very first carry, I've already seen what I've needed to see, the kid can play.

the only question is with him is can he stay healthy, because that's the thing we haven't seen........we haven't seen him complete a 16 game season......but there are no questions about his ability on the football field.
Sometimes I think Texan fans let the D. Davis, W. Lundy, C. Taylor ghosts haunt them. Arian Foster is his own player and he has nothing to do with those players.
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Nice post! Rep youi if I could. AF is a very good back that had a tough senior year at college, and tough rookie year dealing with injuries and poor offense in the former, and a learning curve and injury in the later. He was one of the top backs in the country after his junior season, and he is reminding everyone why now.
 
thunderkyss said:
You all do know that we don't know what Arian Foster will look like in the regular season. The Miami game is the closest that we've seen, and while it shows promise... we don't know.

Slaton... good/bad, whatever... gives us another option at RB.

Same as JJ

Same as Henry.

We are really just as weak at RB as we were last year. Of course if things work out (& with Tate out, Slaton is a big part of that) then we'll end up very strong. But as it is now, we ain't seen nothing yet.
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Exactly
 
steelbtexan said:
Exactly
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So you don't think that we've seen enough of Foster to be confident in what he can do on a football field? I was sold after the Patriots game......the runningback position isn't complicated, it's all about natural instincts and vision and Arian has shown that he has them.
 
Here's a stat....


Does anybody realize that right now........Arian Foster is second in the entire league in rushing with only 28 carries???

And with players with 25 or more carries....... he leads the entire league in yards per carry.........with a 6.0 ypc average. (He's also 3rd in the league in yards per game.)


I think with what we've seen this preseason and what we saw last season that it's safe to say...

Arian Foster can play and is a good back in this league.

From the very first time that I saw Domanick Davis carry the ball I said to myself..."that's our starting RB" and I've had the same exact feeling when I saw Foster, He's our starting RB even with a healthy Tate.
 
Carr Bombed said:
So you don't think that we've seen enough of Foster to be confident in what he can do on a football field? I was sold after the Patriots game......the runningback position isn't complicated, it's all about natural instincts and vision and Arian has shown that he has them.
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You know the pundits are talking up CJSpiller and Ryan Matthews this preseason as well. Until I see him in the regular season, I'm going to be undecided. He appears to have good vision & balance, his burst looks better this year, & Like I said, he looks promising.

I'm not going to put too much stock in the Patriot game, because they were probably trying as hard as the Cowboys did last Saturday, or we did against New Orleans.

He ran well against Miami, but nothing to make him anything other than the best running back we have on our roster.

All I'm saying, is that it appears many people are giving up on Slaton, and we may need him more than they realize before 2010 is over.
 
Slaton was on the sidelines during yesterday's practice in a walking boot. Kubiak states that he is expected to be ready for week 1. The walking boot and a 2 week "rest" implies that he is dealing with at least a Grade II turf toe. Grade I can usually be treated by addressing acute swelling, then simple orthotic and return to play almost immediately with this protection.
 
I thought Kubiak corrected himself in Sundays presser, saying it was only a strained toe and not turf toe?
 
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