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Has There Been Enough Kicks To Decide Who Wins The Job So Far?

gary

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I mean I seriously do not think there have been. I think we will see a lot more of Brown and Rackers in the last two preseason games. I don't see how the coaches are going to choose the best when there have not been much of either one them thus far in no real mess ups thus far. What do you think?
 
gary said:
I mean I seriously do not think there have been. I think we will see a lot more of Brown and Rackers in the last two preseason games. I don't see how the coaches are going to choose the best when there have not been much of either one them thus far in no real mess ups thus far. What do you think?
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I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.
 
awtysst said:
I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.
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I see Brown making the team unless he has an awful next two games.
 
Im still holding out hope for Rackers. I think giving Brown the job back speaks poorly for accountabiliity.

You have a season like that, for any reason, and you should be gone
 
awtysst said:
I think its Brown's job to lose right now. Brown has been fine in camp and in the preseason. Kubes knows him. If it is equal, Kubes will likely take his guy over one he doesn't really know.
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................and he DOES know him all too well............:shots:
 
I was praying KB would get a chance to miss that 50 yarder but the screen got blown up in the backfield. I'm praying KB starts goes back to his old ways soon enough so we can get a kicker out there we can rely on. I will be highly disappointed if Rackers doesn't win the job.
 
Is it just me, or did Kubiak look unhappy after Rackers made the 51 yarder?

I think Kubiak wants to keep Brown for some strange, strange reason.
 
Kubiak's loyal, that's why. But, like said above, Brown needs to be held accountable for that season last year.

Then again, maybe he knows it and he won't **** up this year?
 
Kubiak allows these guys to make huge paychecks, and all they get
for screwing up is "shame on you guys."

"We wubs kubes." is the battlecry, because no other self-respecting
coach would put up with a bullshit performance like yesterday. EVERY
regular season game matters, and all we get is "Oh well, it's a long
season. Fifteen games to go."

Last year, the Jets debacle on OPENING DAY put the Jets IN to postseason,
and sent the Texans HOME. The Saints practiced ALL WEEK the same
way they expect to attack the season.

Texans show up one game, take the next one off, for 3 years in a row now.
They've never shown us how preseason isn't what should be expected
over the Real Sixteen. They are RIGHT BACK into the one game up, one game
down pattern. If they stay true to form, they will roll Dallas and take a
dump against Tampa.

Make sure the distributors have that pink soap on standby if this turns
into a repeat of the 2007, 2008, and 2009 seasons.
 
I will say that Brown's kickoffs have looked better. Kickoff performance can translate directly to yards on the field, and that can make a significant difference on its own: figure 25 yards a game (5 yards each from say, one starting-half kickoff and 4 scores). If there's not a clear winner in the field goal arena, this is likely to be the difference, and I think based on that, Brown currently has the edge.
 
False Start said:
Hopefully, the NO game was our jets game and we wake the fluck up before the season starts.
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I would say that, False Start, but the same thing happened last year
AT RELIANT against the Saints. They exposed the Texans' weakness
up the middle on both sides of the ball, and every team since exploited
it.

All a good team needs to beat the Texans, is a good enough running game,
and a quarterback to kill our LB's in the middle of the field with playaction, and
our defensive ends with draws and screens.

They need to stop this trend, NOW. You PRACTICE how you PLAY.
 
Rackers seems to have better accuracy than Brown from what I've seen so far, but he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the range. Brown could boot FGs from 60 yards out, but Rackers needed a lucky bounce to get that 52 yarder.

It comes down to whether you want a guy who will make 90% of his kicks inside the 35 or a guy who has the leg to go those extra few yards but will inexplicably shank easy field goals.

I'd rather have a reliable guy. Atleast you know not to send him out there from the 36. You never know when you can count on Brown anymore.
 
Brown is winning. If you look, his kicks are going right down the middle now. That doinker 51 yarder that Rackers made and the line drive kickoff that landed at the 20 put KB ahead of the race.
 
El Tejano said:
Brown is winning. If you look, his kicks are going right down the middle now. That doinker 51 yarder that Rackers made and the line drive kickoff that landed at the 20 put KB ahead of the race.
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:facepalm:

How many 50+ has Brown made lately?
 
DexmanC said:
I would say that, False Start, but the same thing happened last year
AT RELIANT against the Saints. They exposed the Texans' weakness
up the middle on both sides of the ball, and every team since exploited
it.

All a good team needs to beat the Texans, is a good enough running game,
and a quarterback to kill our LB's in the middle of the field with playaction, and
our defensive ends with draws and screens.

They need to stop this trend, NOW. You PRACTICE how you PLAY.
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Good points. :goodpost:

As far as the kicker situation, I would like to see more of Rackers, and less KB.
 
I would say the Texans have more than just the kicker battle to worry about after the last doo doo preformence.
 
Goatcheese said:
Rackers seems to have better accuracy than Brown from what I've seen so far, but he doesn't seem to have anywhere near the range. Brown could boot FGs from 60 yards out, but Rackers needed a lucky bounce to get that 52 yarder.

It comes down to whether you want a guy who will make 90% of his kicks inside the 35 or a guy who has the leg to go those extra few yards but will inexplicably shank easy field goals.

I'd rather have a reliable guy. Atleast you know not to send him out there from the 36. You never know when you can count on Brown anymore.
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Couldn't agree more.

I just did the math and teams averaged a little over 3 field goals, over the course the entire season, that were in the 50-59 yard range (Houston attempted 4).

I'd rather have the guy who's going to almost be a given from 20-49 yards but can't kick anything over 50 than the guy who can get the distance on the 3-4 50 yard attempts they have over the entire season but shanks game winners.
 
C Madd said:
Couldn't agree more.

I just did the math and teams averaged a little over 3 field goals, over the course the entire season, that were in the 50-59 yard range (Houston attempted 4).

I'd rather have the guy who's going to almost be a given from 20-49 yards but can't kick anything over 50 than the guy who can get the distance on the 3-4 50 yard attempts they have over the entire season but shanks game winners.
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Yes. Kris Brown is far too unreliable. He is a choker

If we had Neil Rackers last year, arguably we would have made the playoffs.
 
keyser said:
I will say that Brown's kickoffs have looked better. Kickoff performance can translate directly to yards on the field, and that can make a significant difference on its own: figure 25 yards a game (5 yards each from say, one starting-half kickoff and 4 scores). If there's not a clear winner in the field goal arena, this is likely to be the difference, and I think based on that, Brown currently has the edge.
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kickoffs kickoffs.. who really gives a )(*@()#4 about kickoffs.. hire someone, if my field goal guy 0-50 was 100% who cares if they kicked it to the 10 yard line everytime, I'd make the punter do the kickoffs..
 
I'll be very surprised if Kris Brown doesn't return (and very upset if his case of the "shanks" does return.)

I think he still has a "benefit of the doubt" card to play with this coaching staff and I'm ok with that as long as we're done with this rash of missed high-pressure kicks. I feel like I did when I was hoping that Brad Lidge would be able to get it back somehow though.
 
Hervoyel said:
I'll be very surprised if Kris Brown doesn't return (and very upset if his case of the "shanks" does return.)

I think he still has a "benefit of the doubt" card to play with this coaching staff and I'm ok with that as long as we're done with this rash of missed high-pressure kicks. I feel like I did when I was hoping that Brad Lidge would be able to get it back somehow though.
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Exactly what I have been thinking. Rackers has to show KB up, he can't just tie - and I don't really have a problem with that I just hope the result is good.
 
Wish Rackers would've gotten the chance to kick that 51 yds against the Cards. Kubes is doing his best to rig the competition for doo doo Brown.

If Brown doesn't win the FG job they will carry both Brown (kickoffs long FG's) and Rackers.

Brown is one of McNairs and Kubes favs. (Remember the hug after the Pats game)
 
steelbtexan said:
Wish Rackers would've gotten the chance to kick that 51 yds against the Cards. Kubes is doing his best to rig the competition for doo doo Brown.
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Other than doing exactly what he would have in a real game and trying to get closer with 10 seconds left what has Kubiak done to rig the competition?
 
I worry about Rackers strength when he has to kick into any kind of a wind. If its dicey indoors at 50 yards, how much distance does he lose outside?
 
infantrycak said:
Other than doing exactly what he would have in a real game and trying to get closer with 10 seconds left what has Kubiak done to rig the competition?
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What Cak said!!

Im a Kris Brown fan, and will remain one as long as he's a TEXAN!! I will support him the same way I have other members of the team who screw up plays that cost us points!! (BOTH sides of the ball!! ) If you guys think KB is the only TEXAN who has a "mental," "confidence" problem, you haven't watched as much Texan football as I have, and I haven't missed a game!!
 
Dwade said:
Yes. Kris Brown is far too unreliable. He is a choker

If we had Neil Rackers last year, arguably we would have made the playoffs.
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If Rackers was such a clutch guy he would still be kicking in Phoenix.

Sure, KB had a horrible season last year and that was part of the reason the Texans missed the playoffs, however there are many more reasons that have nothing to do with KB as to why the Texans didn't make the playoffs last year.

Also it's funny how everyone seems to forget when the only reliable thing this team had for many seasons was KB.

What I find disgusting is how some of you are wishing for him to fail. If the guy bounces back then not only good for him personally, great for the Texans and the community.
 
Hookem Horns said:
If Rackers was such a clutch guy he would still be kicking in Phoenix.

Sure, KB had a horrible season last year and that was part of the reason the Texans missed the playoffs, however there are many more reasons that have nothing to do with KB as to why the Texans didn't make the playoffs last year.

Also it's funny how everyone seems to forget when the only reliable thing this team had for many seasons was KB.

What I find disgusting is how some of you are wishing for him to fail. If the guy bounces back then not only good for him personally, great for the Texans and the community.
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Great post. It seems to me like most people don't want Rackers to win, they want Brown to lose. And that's not going to make your team better. What will make your team better is if the best kicker goes out there and does well in the pre-season and proves they're the best option.

If Brown goes out there and shows last year was a bad year, but he's put in the work and has put it behind him, then by all means, please start Brown.

If Rackers goes out and nails a bunch of field goals, then let Rackers stay.

I'm rooting for them to WIN, not for someone to LOSE
 
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30
 
Goatcheese said:
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30
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This.

Rackers was pretty clutch last year except that one missed field goal against the Packers in the Wild Card Round. Brown was just inconsistent, and keeping him around keeps a losing attitude around that much longer, in my opinion.
 
Dwade said:
This.

Rackers was pretty clutch last year except that one missed field goal against the Packers in the Wild Card Round. Brown was just inconsistent, and keeping him around keeps a losing attitude around that much longer, in my opinion.
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LOSING ATTITUDE?! You are new to the board, and apparently new to the TEXANS! If not, you would know that KB is anything but a loser!! You obviously DO NOT know Kris Brown!! If a kicker causes a TEAM to have a "losing attitude" then they might as well forfeit now and get it over with. That horrendous display of football we watched Sat night had NOTHING to do with the kicker battle. It had to do with the MENTAL issues of every player on the team, INCLUDING the coaches! Do you honestly think 4 blocked FGs is totally the kickers fault?

Personally, I like 'buddyboys' post. I am rooting for them to win, not for someone to lose. Whether it's #3 or #4 that shows up on Sept 12th in a Texan's jersey, that player will have 100% of my support. If it's KB I certainly will not be one of those "fans" who will boooooo him. If it's NR, I will not be standing at my seat wishing him to fail. I want the ENTIRE TEAM to get their heads screwed on straight and go out with a winning attitude. Until that happens, we will never change.
 
It would be just as justifiable to feel that Brown needs to show up Rackers rather than just tie him to balance out his poor 2009 show. And it still should be kept in mind that, of the last 5 games Arizona played last year, Rackers missed 2 games and played injured for 3 of those games because of a groin injury.

It's not unusual to see an athlete in a slump need a change of venue to turn things around. When it's not "physical," it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control.

We'll only know AFTER the decision is made......and we have the benefit of the Retrospectoscope.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It would be just as justifiable to feel that Brown needs to show up Rackers rather than just tie him to balance out his poor 2009 show. And it still should be kept in mind that, of the last 5 games Arizona played last year, Rackers missed 2 games and played injured for 3 of those games because of a groin injury.

It's not unusual to see an athlete in a slump need a change of venue to turn things around. When it's not "physical," it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control.

We'll only know AFTER the decision is made......and we have the benefit of the Retrospectoscope.
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Few people know about the injuries Kris was dealing with at the end of the 2008 season. Severe staph infection in his groin area that was slow to heal, severe planters fac in his "plant" foot. Few fans know he bought his own hyperbaric chamber to help heal his foot so he could finish the season! Kickers injuries RARELY get the media attention "star" players tend to receive. AJ gets a hang nail and the entire NFL knows about it, MS nicks himself shaving and the entire Texan fan base goes apesheeeeet!! I'm not saying Kris's injuries had anything to do wlth his failure to compete in the 2009 season, but, maybe he needed that year to regain his balance, restore his confidence, etc. Who knows! Like you said Jean, it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control. BOTH our kickers have had injuries, and are neck and neck in this competition. For all our sakes, may the best man win!!
 
Goatcheese said:
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30
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Uh oh. Someone used stats.

Thank you, goatcheese. Looking at the past two years, you can see the difference between the two. It's fairly stark. The one angle is the fewer kicks by Rackers, but that's negligible to me.

What's a kick in the crotch, though, is that a FG kicker is still a FG kicker. No matter who he is, he could goat it in a game that decides your team's fate.

I am of the opinion that the NFL needs to do away with FG attempts altogether. You still have kickoffs, but you cannot attempt a FG. Nor can you attempt an extra point kick after a TD. You have to score touchdowns, and you have to attempt 2-point conversions, and this is how you avoid ties and overtime where kickers decide games (when they really should NOT).

I know that's a radical idea, but things change. The NFL is to the point where the game can withstand not having FG attempts. I think fans of all 32 teams would agree that nobody wants THEIR kicker, or another team's kicker either, deciding a playoff or Super Bowl game. Instead, leave it in the hands of the real football players who are out there doing the heavy lifting--If THEY can't get it done, then you know you were beaten fair and square (and not beaten by a guy in a perfectly clean jersey who squeezes the kick right inside the post or right over the cross bar...effectively bastardizingthe other 99.999% of the game).

Down with field goals. They can go play soccer. Remove your kicker from the roster, and have kickoffs be handled by the punter who can choose to kick the ball off a tee or a punt-style kick. Hey, this is a GOOD thing! It opens up an extra roster spot for another position. Bonus.
 
GP said:
Uh oh. Someone used stats.

Thank you, goatcheese. Looking at the past two years, you can see the difference between the two. It's fairly stark. The one angle is the fewer kicks by Rackers, but that's negligible to me.

What's a kick in the crotch, though, is that a FG kicker is still a FG kicker. No matter who he is, he could goat it in a game that decides your team's fate.

I am of the opinion that the NFL needs to do away with FG attempts altogether. You still have kickoffs, but you cannot attempt a FG. Nor can you attempt an extra point kick after a TD. You have to score touchdowns, and you have to attempt 2-point conversions, and this is how you avoid ties and overtime where kickers decide games (when they really should NOT).

I know that's a radical idea, but things change. The NFL is to the point where the game can withstand not having FG attempts. I think fans of all 32 teams would agree that nobody wants THEIR kicker, or another team's kicker either, deciding a playoff or Super Bowl game. Instead, leave it in the hands of the real football players who are out there doing the heavy lifting--If THEY can't get it done, then you know you were beaten fair and square (and not beaten by a guy in a perfectly clean jersey who squeezes the kick right inside the post or right over the cross bar...effectively bastardizingthe other 99.999% of the game).

Down with field goals. They can go play soccer. Remove your kicker from the roster, and have kickoffs be handled by the punter who can choose to kick the ball off a tee or a punt-style kick. Hey, this is a GOOD thing! It opens up an extra roster spot for another position. Bonus.
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Do away with punters as well, and they could change the name of the game to handsball.
 
Goatcheese said:
Over the past 2 seasons:

name ----- Brown ----- Rackers
Attempts - 65 -------- 45
Made ----- 50 --------- 41
% --------- 77 --------- 91
Long ------ 56 --------- 54
Blocked --- 4 ---------- 1
Games ---- 32 -------- 30
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Ridiculous at how many more attempts Brown had...If Rackers comes here, we don't know what we have, dude was hardly tested..
 
Mr teX said:
Ridiculous at how many more attempts Brown had...If Rackers comes here, we don't know what we have, dude was hardly tested..
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I will be a very happy Texans fan if either kicker is hardly tested this season. Don't really care who wins the kicker job -- I want to see less of whoever it is.

7 in the RZ, please. I'm sick of stalling out on short yardage drives.
 
SheTexan said:
Few people know about the injuries Kris was dealing with at the end of the 2008 season. Severe staph infection in his groin area that was slow to heal, severe planters fac in his "plant" foot. Few fans know he bought his own hyperbaric chamber to help heal his foot so he could finish the season! Kickers injuries RARELY get the media attention "star" players tend to receive. AJ gets a hang nail and the entire NFL knows about it, MS nicks himself shaving and the entire Texan fan base goes apesheeeeet!! I'm not saying Kris's injuries had anything to do wlth his failure to compete in the 2009 season, but, maybe he needed that year to regain his balance, restore his confidence, etc. Who knows! Like you said Jean, it can be very tricky for the mind to regain control. BOTH our kickers have had injuries, and are neck and neck in this competition. For all our sakes, may the best man win!!
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Injuries? = excuses, If Brown was too injured to do his job effectively last yr he should've been put on IR. That way maybe the Texaans could've made the playoffs.

Look I dont care who wins the K competition. I just want to see Rackers get a fair shot. Certianly seeing no more of the crappy lack of clutch FG kicking that happened last yr would be a blessing.

BTW why do you want to see Brown win the job so badly?

Did you not get enough of the sick feeling that I'm sure you had every time Brown stepped on the field to make a clutch FG?

Maybe I'm missing something here.
 
I think whichever guy we don't keep is going to end up on the cowboys.
I think Brownie bounces back and wins the job and then goes on to have an All Pro year for us.
I really am pulling for him.
 
Mean Machine said:
I think whichever guy we don't keep is going to end up on the cowboys.
I think Brownie bounces back and wins the job and then goes on to have an All Pro year for us.
I really am pulling for him.
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Why are you pulling for Brown? Is it familiarity?

Rackers also fits the Texans good guy mode.
 
There are a lot of people with the "what have you done for me lately" type attitude (I'm guilty of this from time to time) and what Kris Brown did for us lately was miss 11 field goals, two of which would have sent games to OT.

Brown has done a lot of good for the Texans in the past, like when he made the field goal to win for the Texans only win in franchise history against the Colts. That, combined with the fact that he is an original Texan, doesn't make me want him to lose the competition. If Brown is the better kicker, then may he win and help us out this season.

But, because of a fear of a repeat performance, I am pulling for Rackers a bit more than Brown and I don't think that makes me a bad fan.

Like SheTexan says, though, may the best man win.
 
C Madd said:
There are a lot of people with the "what have you done for me lately" type attitude (I'm guilty of this from time to time) and what Kris Brown did for us lately was miss 11 field goals, two of which would have sent games to OT.
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I don't have a problem with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude. These pro football players make a good paycheck, and they should either earn it or get out.

That said, again, I don't care who our kicker is this season, as long as he makes the damn FGs.
 
Field Goals are the only really bad thing about football.

It's like having a really smokin' hot wife but she farts all night in her sleep. I mean, everything else is awesome but that one little glitch stinks. Literally.

Do away with field goal attempts. Make it go the way of the leather helmet. Wait a second...leather helmet doesn't fit this analogy. Because leather helmets were superbad. Anyways, you get my drift.

Some things need to be retired. Field goals is just begging for retirement.
 
GP said:
Field Goals are the only really bad thing about football.

It's like having a really smokin' hot wife but she farts all night in her sleep. I mean, everything else is awesome but that one little glitch stinks. Literally.

Do away with field goal attempts. Make it go the way of the leather helmet. Wait a second...leather helmet doesn't fit this analogy. Because leather helmets were superbad. Anyways, you get my drift.

Some things need to be retired. Field goals is just begging for retirement.
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that's not a bad idea GP, and I'd vote for it if it was up for a vote. But doing away with FGs and kicking extra points after a TD just are not going to go away.
 
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