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Cushing's 4-game suspension remains in place

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Texans just released a statement from the NFL that LB Brian Cushing's 4-game suspension has been upheld after a review by the commissioner

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Commissioner Goodell found no basis for changing Brian Cushing’s suspension. Four game suspension remains in place.
 
Not surprising, hopefully this is the last time we will have to hear about the suspension until it actually gets lifted in week 5. Getting more and more confident that we can survive those first 4 without him as well.
 
I had very little hope that this would be overturned. I'm glad they tried though.
I still think that it is unfair to suspend someone for 4 games when there's even the remotest possibility that the lab test could be false. Cushing did test positive once and negative twice. On top of that, the agent he test positive for isn't a performance enhancing drug but a masking agent. Maybe he was just taking the masking agent for the hell of it. It seems to me though, that the NFL is acting on circumstantial evidence, which bothers me.
 
Of course it remains in place. I would have actually lost all respect for the commish if he had done anything but scoffed at the Texans.

Overtraining. Yeah, because in a league full of people who have dedicated their entire lives to working out and getting big, you're the one guy that ends up with an excess of female hormone. Uh huh.
 
Exactly Sharpton looked good the other day, I think he can fill the void till Cushing comes back puts another gash on Eli's head.

From the NOLA Times-Picayune....


# The Saints' second-string offense fared even worse in the two-minute drill. Quarterback Patrick Ramsey threw an interception to Houston linebacker Darryl Sharpton on his second pass attempt.
 
Of course it remains in place. I would have actually lost all respect for the commish if he had done anything but scoffed at the Texans.

Overtraining. Yeah, because in a league full of people who have dedicated their entire lives to working out and getting big, you're the one guy that ends up with an excess of female hormone. Uh huh.

God, it's about time someone stopped with this nonsense. I'm glad that goodell didn't overturn it either. Cushing tested positive so he should be suspended just like any other player who would have. Amazing how people try to twist this into Cush being some type of victim here. This is his fault and no one else's fault. Hopefully he learns from this and this doesn't ever happen again.
 
God, it's about time someone stopped with this nonsense. I'm glad that goodell didn't overturn it either. Cushing tested positive so he should be suspended just like any other player who would have. Amazing how people try to twist this into Cush being some type of victim here. This is his fault and no one else's fault. Hopefully he learns from this and this doesn't ever happen again.

Well, it isn't his fault if he wasn't taking an illegal substance. I have no problem with the suspension being upheld. After all, Goodell has more information on the subject than I do. However, I'm not going to condemn a player and assume that he is a liar and a cheat unless he has a track record to prove him untrustworthy. Until then, I view this as an unfortunate situation and I am hopeful that Cushing is being honest about it.
 
God, it's about time someone stopped with this nonsense. I'm glad that goodell didn't overturn it either. Cushing tested positive so he should be suspended just like any other player who would have. Amazing how people try to twist this into Cush being some type of victim here. This is his fault and no one else's fault. Hopefully he learns from this and this doesn't ever happen again.

Agreed. Sounds like the players have his back but have hinted at the same

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5476631

"Cushing's going to be missed, he's a great piece to this puzzle, but they are not going to stop the games because he's not playing," Pollard said. " . . . We have to back him at whatever he does. That's out teammate, we love our teammate.

"He knows and understands for every decision you make, there are consequences. He has to understand that for everything you do, we have to hold each other accountable. Cush is a great man, he's a great player. And when he comes back we're going to be ready to play ball."
 
Whatever....

Big Ben's 6 game suspension better stay in place too.

****ing right. RAPE is different than steroid use. RAPE is much different than steroid use. RAPE is entirely different. Especially since this is BR's 2nd RAPE...and only Cush's 1st negative test ever.

On top of that, the agent he test positive for isn't a performance enhancing drug but a masking agent. Maybe he was just taking the masking agent for the hell of it. .

I heard a few effects that hcG has, one being increased production of natural testosterone (let's all guess how that would be beneficial to an athlete) and two being increased metabolism (another enormous benefit to an athlete). It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to think he loaded up on hcG without a roid cycle just to get those small benefits. However, too much is too much and he got popped. I really doubt he was roiding, just my gut feeling. I honestly believe he values his body too much to do that. I'm probably wrong but hey, time will tell.
 
Well, it isn't his fault if he wasn't taking an illegal substance. I have no problem with the suspension being upheld. After all, Goodell has more information on the subject than I do. However, I'm not going to condemn a player and assume that he is a liar and a cheat unless he has a track record to prove him untrustworthy. Until then, I view this as an unfortunate situation and I am hopeful that Cushing is being honest about it.

If Cushing is innocent and has never touched roids, than I'll say the same thing for Brian Bozworth. That's about as silly as this whole issue is with the people trying to defend him because he plays for the Texans. Just stop it already. The fact that he keeps trying to keep this chirade up and coming up with different twists and turns as to how he tested positive is getting embarrassing at this point. Cushing's had more steroid rumors circulating about him since he was in freaking High School. That's how far the stigma goes back with Cushing. He needs to let it go and so do the fans that keep defending him. He's getting his 4 game suspension as he should and it's time to JUST MOVE ON.
 
If Cushing is innocent and has never touched roids, than I'll say the same thing for Brian Bozworth. That's about as silly as this whole issue is with the people trying to defend him because he plays for the Texans. Just stop it already. The fact that he keeps trying to keep this chirade up and coming up with different twists and turns as to how he tested positive is getting embarrassing at this point. Cushing's had more steroid rumors circulating about him since he was in freaking High School. That's how far the stigma goes back with Cushing. He needs to let it go and so do the fans that keep defending him. He's getting his 4 game suspension as he should and it's time to JUST MOVE ON.

Sorry bro, there is just no proof of steroid use. There is proof of a masking agent and lots of speculation that goes with it but if someone wants to stand by Cushing, let 'em. I for one believe he wasn't doing roid-ios for breakfast. I totally think he found something else that gave him an edge that he thought was perfectly within the context of the rules though. Steroids aren't the only banned substance. Since "freaking high school" he's peed and peed and peed and only once has he been positive for something and it wasn't roids. That's a fact.
 
HcG isn't a masking agent. It won't hide the presence of steroids. It's used to jump-start testosterone production after a cycle, but if steroids are in the system, they'll show up on a test.
 
I will support Cushing in week five but good for Roger. To make the case these drugs should all be fair game is a different thread for a different day. They are not yet and he broke the rules so I am glad. He should not have put his team in this matter but we still love him. I have seen Brian up close last year twice and this year again at training camp and had to do a double take in order to make sure it was him. Even mom said, is that Brain? He would not have any reason to mask them if they were not there. Let him serve his four games and the team has much deapth behind him to take his place. Hopefully this a one and done thing with Brian and he learns his lesson. I know he'll come out ready to go in week five and I do not feel his play has changed at all so that counts for something JMO.
 
I heard a few effects that hcG has, one being increased production of natural testosterone (let's all guess how that would be beneficial to an athlete) and two being increased metabolism (another enormous benefit to an athlete). It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to think he loaded up on hcG without a roid cycle just to get those small benefits. However, too much is too much and he got popped. I really doubt he was roiding, just my gut feeling. I honestly believe he values his body too much to do that. I'm probably wrong but hey, time will tell.

I pretty sure that hCG doesn't increase testosterone or enhance performance in any way, but we'll wait for Pencil Neck or CND to get here to confirm this.
 
If Cushing is innocent and has never touched roids, than I'll say the same thing for Brian Bozworth. That's about as silly as this whole issue is with the people trying to defend him because he plays for the Texans. Just stop it already. The fact that he keeps trying to keep this chirade up and coming up with different twists and turns as to how he tested positive is getting embarrassing at this point. Cushing's had more steroid rumors circulating about him since he was in freaking High School. That's how far the stigma goes back with Cushing. He needs to let it go and so do the fans that keep defending him. He's getting his 4 game suspension as he should and it's time to JUST MOVE ON.

Exactly. He failed the test and tries to come up with the excuses of possible tumors and then later the infamous overtraining syndrome - give me a break. Cushing needs to sit out these games and then come back clean and with even more intensity than before. This will all be forgotten if he comes back and performs at the levels we have been accustomed to seeing...
 
I will support Cushing in week five but good for Roger. To make the case these drugs should all be fair game is a different thread for a different day. They are not yet and he broke the rules so I am glad. He should not have put his team in this matter but we still love him. I have seen Brian up close last year twice and this year again at training camp and had to do a double take in order to make sure it was him. Even mom said, is that Brain? He would not have any reason to mask them if they were not there. Let him serve his four games and the team has much deapth behind him to take his place. Hopefully this a one and done thing with Brian and he learns his lesson. I know he'll come out ready to go in week five and I do not feel his play has changed at all so that counts for something JMO.

Gary, was your double take because Cushing looked smaller or larger than you remember him from last season?
 
I pretty sure that hCG doesn't increase testosterone or enhance performance in any way, but we'll wait for Pencil Neck or CND to get here to confirm this.

It is not a performance enhancer and is not taken to elevate testosterone above ordinary levels. It is taken to bump start normal testosterone production which has been reduced during a steroid cycle. And as stated above, it is not a masking agent.
 
Sorry bro, there is just no proof of steroid use. There is proof of a masking agent and lots of speculation that goes with it but if someone wants to stand by Cushing, let 'em. I for one believe he wasn't doing roid-ios for breakfast. I totally think he found something else that gave him an edge that he thought was perfectly within the context of the rules though. Steroids aren't the only banned substance. Since "freaking high school" he's peed and peed and peed and only once has he been positive for something and it wasn't roids. That's a fact.

Do you believe the same thing about Brian Bozworth or Shawn Merriman?
 
Exactly. He failed the test and tries to come up with the excuses of possible tumors and then later the infamous overtraining syndrome - give me a break. Cushing needs to sit out these games and then come back clean and with even more intensity than before. This will all be forgotten if he comes back and performs at the levels we have been accustomed to seeing...

I would Cushing would just shut up at this point and move on. Take your lumps and stop trying to deflect this as something else. I'm actually surprised that Goodell even entertained him and Mcnair's last little defense. He heard them out though and made the right decision. It would have been nice to have the suspension dropped for the team's sake, but the NFL has to keep it's integrity.
 
I don't remember what test Boz failed but Merriman tested positive for steroids not an adjunct.

Cush failed a test just like Merriman did, but that wasn't the point. The only people that I've seen remotely going out of their way to defend Cush and act like he's some innocent victim here are certain Texans fans from this site. Everyone else around the nation and other fans have been laughing at this pathetic smoke screen Cush has been trying to get people to believe. It's gotten embarrassing at this point and it's not believable in any way. And the fact that Cush has been the poster child for steroids in college for several years and then fails a test makes this whole thing even more ridiculous that people would buy into all these theories that Cush has tried to throw out there. I just hope that these same folks are in the Clemens thread defending him as well.
 
Cush failed a test just like Merriman did, but that wasn't the point. The only people that I've seen remotely going out of their way to defend Cush and act like he's some innocent victim here are certain Texans fans from this site. Everyone else around the nation and other fans have been laughing at this pathetic smoke screen Cush has been trying to get people to believe. It's gotten embarrassing at this point and it's not believable in any way. And the fact that Cush has been the poster child for steroids in college for several years and then fails a test makes this whole thing even more ridiculous that people would buy into all these theories that Cush has tried to throw out there. I just hope that these same folks are in the Clemens thread defending him as well.

I'm being precise rather than defending Cushing. Fact is he failed a test but it was not for steroids as was Merriman's failed test. Also I give no credence to rumors. Now having said that after hours of conversations with CnD I think it is all but certain Cushing used steroids at some point.

Smaller. But hey, I am just being honest here.

Might have been finding what you were looking for. Cushing weighed in 16 lbs heavier this year than when he was drafted.
 
I'm being precise rather than defending Cushing. Fact is he failed a test but it was not for steroids as was Merriman's failed test. Also I give no credence to rumors. Now having said that after hours of conversations with CnD I think it is all but certain Cushing used steroids at some point.



Might have been finding what you were looking for. Cushing weighed in 16 lbs heavier this year than when he was drafted.
It may have more weight on him but his shoulders are smaller. It is my understanding that Cushing has been suspended for taking something to mask the use of preformence enhancing drurgs. Is that correct?
 
It may have more weight on him but his shoulders are smaller. It is my understanding that Cushing has been suspended for taking something to mask the use of preformence enhancing drurgs. Is that correct?

No. hcg is not a masking agent.
 
I pretty sure that hCG doesn't increase testosterone or enhance performance in any way, but we'll wait for Pencil Neck or CND to get here to confirm this.

hCG is not a performance enhancer and it's not a masking agent.

When you're taking steroids, your pituitary gland recognizes that your testosterone level is too high and stops sending a hormone to your nads. When your nads stop getting that hormone, they shut down and stop producing to try to get your testosterone level back down to normal. When you take hCG, it looks like your pituitary gland is sending the hormone saying to continue producing natural testosterone so your nads start working again.

If your nads aren't shut down, it doesn't make them produce more than normal.

On the weight loss front, it's not a metabolism booster. Some doctor used it along with a VLCD (Very Low Calorie Diet) and said that the hCG helped preserve muscle tissue during dieting. I don't think there's any real proof of this. BUT... the amounts that are supposed to be used for this are fairly low.

Cush might be using it this way so that when he diets, his body preserves muscle mass and loses a higher percentage of fat.
 
Well, it isn't his fault if he wasn't taking an illegal substance. I have no problem with the suspension being upheld. After all, Goodell has more information on the subject than I do. However, I'm not going to condemn a player and assume that he is a liar and a cheat unless he has a track record to prove him untrustworthy. Until then, I view this as an unfortunate situation and I am hopeful that Cushing is being honest about it.
But if what he was doing got him suspended and he has said he is not changing anything........
 
Cush failed a test just like Merriman did, but that wasn't the point. The only people that I've seen remotely going out of their way to defend Cush and act like he's some innocent victim here are certain Texans fans from this site. Everyone else around the nation and other fans have been laughing at this pathetic smoke screen Cush has been trying to get people to believe. It's gotten embarrassing at this point and it's not believable in any way. And the fact that Cush has been the poster child for steroids in college for several years and then fails a test makes this whole thing even more ridiculous that people would buy into all these theories that Cush has tried to throw out there. I just hope that these same folks are in the Clemens thread defending him as well.

I'm defending Cush because I believe there's a possibility that he didn't take hCG. There's a possibility that he did.

I've always believed that people were silly for only looking at hitters in baseball when it came to steroids because the players who would get the biggest benefit were the pitchers. And I've always thought Clemens and several other pitchers (even some that don't "look" like steroid users) were taking steroids.

Cush, however, is a different case. He has been tested for steroids many, many times even during his college days, and he's never tested positive. He is known to have an enlarged pituitary gland. There is, in my mind, a slight possibility that he didn't do anything wrong. And because of that and the fact that he's a Texan, I will defend him to my dying breath.

People keep saying things that are absolutely false about him. He didn't test positive for steroids. He didn't test positive for a masking agent. He didn't test positive for a performance enhancing drug. He tested positive for something that is only on the list because bodybuilders used to take it during and/or after their steroid cycles.

People are going to keep calling him a cheater for his entire career and the fact is that the elevated levels he tested positive for don't really constitute any sort of competitive edge.

People keep dogging him for saying things (like the tumor comment) without really even trying to understand why he would say it.

And that irks me.
 
HGC is on the banned list in the NFL if he indeed took it.

The way the rules are, it doesn't matter if he took it. The rules don't care how the levels got elevated, they just care that they're elevated. If he tests high, then he gets suspended.

He tested high. He gets suspended.

Them's the rules.

But that doesn't mean that you can't argue and get the rules changed. Sometimes, there are bad rules.
 
OK to clarify the NFL testing process Cloak has gone to great lengths to investigate it and ultimately got it from someone at the NFL's lab. I've held onto it for a while but for clarity:

For perspective normal hcg in a male is considered 0-1 miu/l

A urine sample is taken and then split into A and B specimens on which the A and B tests are run. If the A test is negative the testing is done. If the A test is positive then the player is notified and allowed to have a representative present for the testing of the B specimen by a different technician in the same lab. If the B test if negative then the entire test is considered a negative.

The “A” and “B” tests are not the same test run by different technicians, but test different entities on the HCG. The second test, thus acts as the “confirmatory” test. This is why the validity of the test is accepted by the NFL. This is the exact same protocol used with confidence by The World Anti-Doping Association.

The NFL’s HCG urine test is run using a very accurate method called immuno-assay. This is a test that will be determined as positive at 5 miu/l or higher. The way this test is run is that antibodies, created in the laboratory to attach only to a specific target (antigen), in this case HCG (much like antibodies attach to a bacterial target) is mixed with a person’s urine. The complex that is formed if there is HCG in the urine is then reported if it meets the detection tolerance of the test (in this case 5 miu/l). The NFL first tests the “A” specimen of the split sample. IF it is reported positive, the “B” specimen will be run by the same laboratory, but by another technician. Furthermore, to afford the player added accuracy insurance, a different antibody is used in each of the 2 specimens, differing in the fact that one is “trained” to seek out one specific component (epitome) on the HCG while the other is trained to seek out a separate and distinct specific component on the HCG. After a positive “A” specimen is obtained, if the “B” specimen is negative or questionable (for example, on the cusp of almost being positive), the player is given the benefit of the doubt........and the cumulative testing is considered negative. It should be kept in mind that the lower limits of the “positive” 5 miu/l level is considered well above levels expected in the urine.

So two different tests are used and "barely" failing a test still means levels significantly above normal.
 
Exactly. He failed the test and tries to come up with the excuses of possible tumors and then later the infamous overtraining syndrome - give me a break. Cushing needs to sit out these games and then come back clean and with even more intensity than before. This will all be forgotten if he comes back and performs at the levels we have been accustomed to seeing...
I saw the Cush I remember those few snaps last Saturday. So he sits. If anything, he should be super pissed game 5. Like...injure people pissed.

It is not a performance enhancer and is not taken to elevate testosterone above ordinary levels. It is taken to bump start normal testosterone production which has been reduced during a steroid cycle. And as stated above, it is not a masking agent.
If you take enough, would it elevate testosterone?
Do you believe the same thing about Brian Bozworth or Shawn Merriman?
Merriman, as stated was busted for the juice. Then he came out and wasn't lights out anymore, now he's just another guy. Boz I have no idea, I'm 24. :shrug:

Smaller. But hey, I am just being honest here.

See what you want to. The other night I was thinking his guns looked huge, possibly even bigger.

The way the rules are, it doesn't matter if he took it. The rules don't care how the levels got elevated, they just care that they're elevated. If he tests high, then he gets suspended.

He tested high. He gets suspended.

Them's the rules.

But that doesn't mean that you can't argue and get the rules changed. Sometimes, there are bad rules.

Them's the rules then, per Gooddell. Roethlisberger better sit the full 6 or I call shenanigans. I don't care what a rulebook states, rape is worse than Cushing cheating, if that is what really took place.
 
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