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Evidence: Slaton potentially re-injures neck

barrett

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While doing my film study for Texans Bull Blog I noticed what potentially may be breaking news about Steve Slaton's health. I have video screen shots showing a severe collision to his head and neck prior to the fumble on the goal line. You can also see what appears to be him wincing his hand trying to regain feeling followed by favoring his right arm as he walks off the field.

Check it out and let us know what you think.

http://www.texansbullblog.com/evidence-slaton-reinjured-neck-cardinals/news/
 
While doing my film study for Texans Bull Blog I noticed what potentially may be breaking news about Steve Slaton's health. I have video screen shots showing a severe collision to his head and neck prior to the fumble on the goal line. You can also see what appears to be him wincing his hand trying to regain feeling followed by favoring his right arm as he walks off the field.

Check it out and let us know what you think.

http://www.texansbullblog.com/evidence-slaton-reinjured-neck-cardinals/news/


Barrett did a great job capturing this with pictures. However, I suggest anyone with the game on DVR should start watching the drive with about 7 minutes to go in the second quarter. His head snapped back severely!
 
I sure hope you guys are wrong. It could have been a stinger, or maybe a little apprehension. I hope he is smart enough that if he did re-injure it, he does not try to play more with it. That's too scary.
 
I've never wanted to be more wrong about anything. It's certainly not ideal to speculate from the TV but there are certainly signs that would suggest something happened.

And Dale is right, watch the video live it really shows how violently his head snaps back.
 
I've never wanted to be more wrong about anything. It's certainly not ideal to speculate from the TV but there are certainly signs that would suggest something happened.

And Dale is right, watch the video live it really shows how violently his head snaps back.

He looked shaken to me on a couple of plays. There are some "suspicious" injury-associated body positionings that support your premise. What I noticed in that play is there appeared to be helmet-to-helmet contact. But, even more telling than the hard-to-interpret still shots of his arm positions, is his backpedalling/fallback right after contact. Watch how he is trying to shake off his right arm that then immediately thereafter goes hanging limp as he is falling back. Tell me what you see.
 
He looked shaken to me on a couple of plays. There are some "suspicious" injury-associated body positionings that support your premise. What I noticed in that play is there appeared to be helmet-to-helmet contact. But, even more telling than the hard-to-interpret still shots of his arm positions, is his backpedalling/fallback right after contact. Watch how he is trying to shake off his right arm that then immediately thereafter goes hanging limp as he is falling back. Tell me what you see.

That's about right... On the initial hit, his head whip-lashed straight backwards (hard!) and pretty far. Then, after the fumble, he was on all fours.. then, he picked his right hand off the ground, shook his fingers, and then rubbed then together. As he stood up, the arm dangled rather motionless by his side as he walked to the sidelines.
 
Just not good... Not good at all.

Foster better be the real deal. It was going to be running back by committee to a certain degree, now its getting to just running back. the committee is gone.
 
So, if you guys are right, this is pretty much the end of the road for him huh?

Hopefully we are just overreacting. Not only for his career, but for his life outside of football.
 
I think it was just a stinger.

It certainly could be. I want to make it clear that we are not trying to diagnose him with an injury but rather point out that it's a possibility. I would imagine a stinger would yield similar results but it's certainly plossible that his recently repaired spinal chord could have been effected to create similar simptoms.

So, if you guys are right, this is pretty much the end of the road for him huh?

Hopefully we are just overreacting. Not only for his career, but for his life outside of football.

The end of his career is certainly heavy speculation. If he can't take the hits without suffering from numbness and in turn fumbling it could be a problem as he moves forward though.
 
So, if you guys are right, this is pretty much the end of the road for him huh?

Hopefully we are just overreacting. Not only for his career, but for his life outside of football.

We aren't suggesting that. We just noticed what happened and became concerned about it. Doing research on the injury/surgery (click on those links early in the article), there is some real level of risk that could force him to shut it down indefinitely...
 
While doing my film study for Texans Bull Blog I noticed what potentially may be breaking news about Steve Slaton's health. I have video screen shots showing a severe collision to his head and neck prior to the fumble on the goal line. You can also see what appears to be him wincing his hand trying to regain feeling followed by favoring his right arm as he walks off the field.

Check it out and let us know what you think.

http://www.texansbullblog.com/evidence-slaton-reinjured-neck-cardinals/news/

Which is why he dropped the ball.

He didn't WANT to drop the ball, but the effects of the hit forced him to do so. It's like when you get a charlie horse in your calf and you jerk your leg and contort it out of the pain: You don't WANT to react a certain way, but it just happens. It's involuntary. It happens. On its own.

I mean, I'm no expert here...but at some point you've got to say that things are not normal. All of his actions after the hit lead me to believe that his ability to control his arms and hands is jacked up when he's hit certain ways.

He's busting his ass out there. He's TRYING his hardest to hold onto the ball, but he gets whacked just right and all bets are off.

Man, this is really really potentially BAD for him.
 
When I saw the hit the first time I was concerned about the way his arm moved when it popped out. I came here to look for injury news and didn't see any. Either way though, this could be very bad for our guy.

Mike
 
Bring on Jeremiah Johnson to backup Foster. If Slaton cannot go, put Henry as the #3. We may need to scour the PS and grab another back.

If Slaton is potentially hurt, I would like to remind everyone that last year Doc CND, was saying that he was not sure Slaton would be completely healed this fast and if he was, he may have a chance of reinjury (or something to that effect). So give the man credit for obviously being very VERY good at his job!
 
He also just holds on to the ball with one arm.

IIRC, he was covering it up and got popped. Then I remember seeing his body kind of go rigid and his arms opened up.

It makes total sense now. He didn't drop the ball because his arms got hit. He dropped the ball because of the chain reaction: Hit to head, spinal area reacts, then it travels down to the arms. Then all the visible reactions Slaton exhibited after the play ended.

If this is all true, then they can't let him continue out there. Just my opinion, which obviously is not a professional one. I just have a feeling that an isolated play can tell a lot, based on prior known problems. The guy isn't being careless.

Unless his actions are a cop-out to escape taking responsibility for the fumble. Sort of an "Oh crap, I better shake my head, stumble a bit, and act like my hands are tingling..." I am not saying he would do that, but it's gotta' be one or the other IMO.
 
If he had run lower he might have been ok. He ran very upright and tall. I think maybe he had thoughts of jumping the pile. As much as Spencer Tillman can be annoying with all of his slogans, he's right. Low man wins, and I have no idea why a 5' 10" RB would want to run so upright into a pile. Makes no sense.
 
If he had run lower he might have been ok. He ran very upright and tall. I think maybe he had thoughts of jumping the pile. As much as Spencer Tillman can be annoying with all of his slogans, he's right. Low man wins, and I have no idea why a 5' 10" RB would want to run so upright into a pile. Makes no sense.

well, if his shoulder and neck aren't right, perhaps he runs upright to protect them from direct impact. That's my concern and thought. I think that's why he started running upright last season and why it happened again Saturday night.
 
well, if his shoulder and neck aren't right, perhaps he runs upright to protect them from direct impact. That's my concern and thought. I think that's why he started running upright last season and why it happened again Saturday night.

If his shoulder is not right now (as was the problem before) it is most likely due to continued symptoms of recovery related to the fusion, or another level of unaddressed disc bulging is symptomatic. With 1 level fusion, few orthopods totally recommend nixing return to contact sports, but will tend to encourage about 1 year. With 2-3 levels most will feel uncomfortable, and with 4 no way.

No matter what, running upright puts an RB at great risk for snapping of the neck. And certainly running backwards as he likes to do (an which he did in this game) leaves him open to that dreaded whiplash injury which can easily result in additional disc problems. If the grafted segment holds, there is that much more torque load that the other segments are exposed to, thus cervical disc injury. Keep remembering that Slaton's shoulder and hand problems were always caused by nerve compression related to his disc problem. He was never noted to have an independent shoulder pathology.

Last year, he most likely ran upright because with a cervical disc, extension of the neck reproduces/exaccerbates the nerve compression symptoms of the disc problem (positive Spurling test). If you run low, you have to extend your neck to see where you are going .

In essentially all of his hits Saturday night, his necked snapped back (in hyperextension). I'm surprised that he has not been fitted with a Cowboy collar, which has been proven in studies to significantly limit cervical hyperextension.
 
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Well, I think it's time for Kubiak to pull Foster out of the remaining preseason games. No point in risking our last decent RB on meaningless games.
 
If his shoulder is not right now (as was the problem before) it is most likely due to continued symptoms of recovery related to the fusion, or another level of unaddressed disc bulging is symptomatic. With 1 level fusion, few orthopods totally recommend nixing return to contact sports, but will tend to encourage about 1 year. With 2-3 levels most will feel uncomfortable, and with 4 no way.

No matter what, running upright puts an RB at great risk for snapping of the neck. And certainly running backwards as he likes to do (an which he did in this game) leaves him open to that dreaded whiplash injury which can easily result in additional disc problems. If the grafted segment holds, there is that much more torque load that the other segments are exposed to, thus cervical disc injury. Keep remembering that Slaton's shoulder and hand problems were always caused by nerve compression related to his disc problem. He was never noted to have an independent shoulder pathology.

Last year, he most likely ran upright because with a cervical disc, extension of the neck reproduces/exaccerbates the nerve compression symptoms of the disc problem (positive Spurling test). If you run low, you have to extend your neck to see where you are going .

In essentially all of his hits Saturday night, his necked snapped back (in hyperextension). I'm surprised that he has not been fitted with a Cowboy collar, which has been proven in studies to significantly limit cervical hyperextension.

Thanks for the info

With regards to the cowboy collar, you have to remember we're talking about the Texans medical/training staff.
 
I would think that the fused vertebrae reduces the natural shock absorption of the neck, which increases the chances of stingers or any kind of nerve related complication. This is what worried me the most about Slaton playing with fused vertebrae, along with limited range of motion while turning his head to catch a ball.
 
OR he could just be a fumbler like he was in college..

IIRC, he was covering it up and got popped. Then I remember seeing his body kind of go rigid and his arms opened up.

It makes total sense now. He didn't drop the ball because his arms got hit. He dropped the ball because of the chain reaction: Hit to head, spinal area reacts, then it travels down to the arms. Then all the visible reactions Slaton exhibited after the play ended.
 
OR he could just be a fumbler like he was in college..

Probably a combination of both.

Fumbling is bad. Fumbling at the goal line is a crime.

I don't see how he rises above our 3rd or maybe even 4th option now.
 
Probably a combination of both.

Fumbling is bad. Fumbling at the goal line is a crime.

I don't see how he rises above our 3rd or maybe even 4th option now.

OR he could just be a fumbler why are people making excuses, if he's hurt he's done and he'll retire. If not he's a fumbler and he neext to fix it.
 
Maybe just a 3rd down back with no goal line carries.

Which you then think "Well why in the heck is he even on the roster?"

I mean, if you can only be out there for 3rd downs and you can NOT be trusted when near the end zone, then doesn't that mean you pretty much shouldn't be on the roster at all? Injury or not, it presents a real problem with regards to roster spots and overall usefulness.

He can't even withstand the contact, IMO. Something real (injury) or imaginary (mental lapses) has got this guy in trouble. What if we had lost a game by 5 points and Slaton fumbles that goal line carry like he did vs. Cards pre-season this past weekend: Oops? Sorry 'bout that, guys...my bad?

Sheesh.
 
Which you then think "Well why in the heck is he even on the roster?"

A third down back isn't the same as a goal line or short yardage back. Foster's size and power would be better for that anyway.

Slaton is still a weapon for receiving out of the backfield, and he can pick up blocks quite well for his size. He'd be better off not rushing between tackles anymore. Basically we'd be using him like Reggie Bush, but with better blocking.

Case in point, go to 1:38 and 3:53: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa5YlgOBwDk
 
I would think that the fused vertebrae reduces the natural shock absorption of the neck, which increases the chances of stingers or any kind of nerve related complication. This is what worried me the most about Slaton playing with fused vertebrae, along with limited range of motion while turning his head to catch a ball.

With a one-level cervical fusion at C5, there should be no noticeable loss of range of motion IF the graft is well healed and the neck fully rehabbed. If the above criteria have been met, and there is still decrease in range of motion, then you start worrying that there may be a compression problem with adjacent non-fused cervical segment(s). There's also the possibility of long term/permanent postoperative pain causing the player to "protect" his neck by avoiding certain movement.
 
Which you then think "Well why in the heck is he even on the roster?"

I mean, if you can only be out there for 3rd downs and you can NOT be trusted when near the end zone, then doesn't that mean you pretty much shouldn't be on the roster at all? Injury or not, it presents a real problem with regards to roster spots and overall usefulness.

He can't even withstand the contact, IMO. Something real (injury) or imaginary (mental lapses) has got this guy in trouble. What if we had lost a game by 5 points and Slaton fumbles that goal line carry like he did vs. Cards pre-season this past weekend: Oops? Sorry 'bout that, guys...my bad?

Sheesh.

Slaton was drafted as mainly a 3rd down change of pace back in the first place. I think pretty much everyone was surprised at the way he handled the main load his rookie season. Despite the load, we STILL needed a larger back for short yardage situations. So, with Foster becoming that guy (Tate eventually), Slaton slips back to his projected role which should also mean he takes less hits overall.

Until I hear SOMETHING from the Texans regarding a Slaton concern regarding injury its all SPECULATION and not a concern to me. Maybe he just fumbled the dang ball in a goal line carry (which he wont be getting in the future)and thats it?
 
Well here is Slaton at Monday's practice.

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