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BADBOY's 2011 pre-season mock

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I am predicting Texans are 11-5 and picking at #25.

QB: what is there for us to look at that is more than a project? Locker, Luck, Ponder and Devlin will probably all be gone by our 2nd. For now, I think Mallett does not come out. As stated before I will be watching Enderle but he is coming off a shoulder injury and has an avg arm anyway. I'm becoming more concerned with Orlovsky daily.

Center: see the need but just can not see Kubes giving up on Myers without a super stud rookie center ready to step in. I think Pouncey is gone by our 1st and O'Dowd is my leading candidate if he plays healthy and well this season and he should be there in first. Wisnewski interests me but the knee is ? for me. Anything else is a reach imo. So.. O'Dowd in first?

FS: I just see nothing that assures me Barber or Nolan will be our future. Wilson is steady, when he is on the field. I want a draft pick that will start no later than 2011. If this guy is there in 1st, I think I'd be all over him.
Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2011): Top 25 Pick.
5/14/10: Deunta Williams was an All-ACC First Team member, thanks to 47 tackles, eight pass break-ups and six interceptions.

Having said that, if I could get Pouncey or O'Dowd in first and Gideon in second I'd be happy.
Blake Gideon*, FS, Texas
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2011): 2.
5/14/10: Blake Gideon had 49 tackles and six interceptions to go along with his three pass break-ups in 2009.

OK here we go:

1st: Chris O'Dowd Center
2nd: Blake Gideon FS
3rd: Nathan Enderle QB
4th: Chykie Brown CB
5th:Chris Prosinski SS/FS
6th: Zach Heberer OG
7th: Ben Jacobs ILB

For those of you that think this is way too early, simply back out of thread and stroll on along. It ain't for you.
 
I thought Gideon played SS?

He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)
 
Gideon was more of a SS last year but was given typical FS responsibilites quite often. Because Texas is so good against the run with their front seven, both safeties can play quite deep against the pass.

This year he will be almost exclusively a FS. Christian Scott will be taking over Gideon's old position and Gideon will be moving into Earl Thomas' position (although he will not be used as a nickel corner as Thomas was).

As a college player Gideon is good. He is smart, understands his physical limitations, and plays to his strengths.

As a NFL prospect, I don't see him making the leap. And I certainly wouldn't use a second rounder on him. He cannot play SS in the NFL. He doesn't tackle well enough. And he doesn't project well to FS athletically. He did manage 6 interceptions this past season, but that was mainly due to Texas having the best pass rush in the nation.

He can make a NFL roster as a special teams guy and FS depth. But I don't see him as a starter. He just doesn't have the athletic skills to cover NFL WRs.
 
Thanks for the info. That is what I was looking for.
 
I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.
 
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back up
 
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.
 
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.

Williams is probably the #2 CB right now on most boards, if he comes out. I'm pretty sure he will.
 
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska
 
He did, I want to see how the season plays out. But fixing the interior OL is job no.1 IMHO

With that said my mock would be

Rd.1 Wiesnewski
Rd.2 O'Dowd (Falls because of injury concerns)
Rd.2 Ras-I- Dqwling (after trading up)
Interesting that you would use a first and second on two centers or would you use Wies as a guard?
 
I'm also not high on Chykie Brown unless he becomes more consistent in his senior year. He is a guy that will look like Champ Bailey on one series and then Phillip Buchanan on the next two.

His technique and awareness are severly lacking, which causes him to make mistakes often. But he is an incredible athlete, which usually allows him to recover.

Will he be able to recover when he is chasing down a NFL WR? I don't know.

But a fourth rounder is not a bad place to try on a guy like him. If he figures it out he is a steal there.
I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.
 
nice draft


heres a quick one i made






First pick..

Allen Bailey, DE/DT, Miami
Height: 6-4. Weight: 288.
Projected 40 Time: 4.80.

Okoya is young, but he just should not have been drafted by us.i see us geting allen bailet de / dt

2nd pick

Quinton Carter, FS, Oklahoma
Height: 6-1. Weight: 193.
Projected 40 Time: 4.53.

I love to see Carter and Polard on the same team


3rd pick

Chykie Brown, CB, Texas
Height: 6-0. Weight: 187.
Projected 40 Time: 4.39

We need all the corners that we can get with Peyton in our league!

4th pick

Roy Helu, RB, Nebraska
Height: 6-0. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54

i see Tate and Helu and Foster starting i hope slaton turns around ,,,

5th pick

Jake Kirkpatrick, C/G, TCU
Height: 6-3. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.09.

I know it kinda late to be drafting a center but this is a big kid so i would give him a shot


6th pick

Kai Forbath, K, UCLA
Height: 6-0. Weight: 192.

if rackers can rack on some points this is no need but if not i see a kicker in the draft
7th pick

Brian Smith, ILB, Notre Dame
Height: 6-3. Weight: 240.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.

back up
SIAB, I am watching your TCU center also. Good eye on your part.
 
If you are looking at Texas secondary prospects then I would look at Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown. They are both CBs.

Williams is a junior and a guaranteed first round lock if he enters the draft. He is a lockdown guy. A potential franchise corner.

Brown is probably a second round guy. He is a senior. Great athlete but has been stuck behind better players for most of his career.
Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:
 
I like what you have going on there badboy. This early, I would be hard pressed to find a better mock. I love the Prosinski pick (glad you agree from our pm's), and the Enderle pick.

Just for giggles, my pre-season mock would be:

1) Deunta Williams, FS, North Carolina
2)John Moffit, OC/OG, Wisconsin
3) Nathan Enderle, QB, Idaho
4) Will Rackley, OG, Liberty
5) Chris Prosinski, FS/SS, Wyoming
6) Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford
7) Eric Peitz, TE, Colorado State








7) Just kidding about that one, Alex Henry, K, Nebraska
Interesting on Moffitt. I considered him but 6'5" 320 gave me pause. 5.13 40 but what about his movement? Seems to have a solid base. Can he get into secondary in our ZBS? Yep on Williams if he is still on board in first as I mentioned. Like your mock. I am sure we will adjust many times if last time is any indication.
 
I agree with your assessment of both UT guys and you can bet I will be watching both this season. Brown has the tools and the speed and hopefully another year in college and the good Texans coaching and he will be there. I think we will be deep at CB and especially if Moldin and Sherrick McManus step up. I am looking for an eventual replacement for Reeves.

I am hoping Gideon will surprise you and others but I could easily be wrong on him. I just don't see many other options for this position.

Personally, I don't think the Molden project is gonna work out. Nothing against the guy but I just don't see him being a long term fix at CB. I like McMannis. I'm optimistic about that.

I don't think Reeves is here long term. Bennett looks lost. So all we really have is Jackson, Quin, and McMannis.

I hope Gideon surprises me too. As a Longhorn fan, the better he plays the happier I'll be. I just don't see him as a NFL FS. And I don't think we should force it just because FS is not a great situation for us right now. I don't see Gideon as an upgrade over what we have.
 
Nope, do not need a CB that high. Got to fix other areas first.:tiphat:

I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.
 
Interesting that you would use a first and second on two centers or would you use Wies as a guard?

Wies would be a OG. He's a player like his uncle Steve. This draft would solidify the OL for 8-10 yrs.

Dont you think it's about time that the OL was a strength of the team?

Instead of the weakness it has been since the teams inception.

An OL of

D.Brown, Wiesnewski, O'Dowd, Caldwell, Winston for the next 10 yrs really appeals to me. How about you?
 
I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.

Agreed

I dont care how deep you are at CB. You dont pass on a talent like Williams. IMHO
 
Interesting on Moffitt. I considered him but 6'5" 320 gave me pause. 5.13 40 but what about his movement? Seems to have a solid base. Can he get into secondary in our ZBS? Yep on Williams if he is still on board in first as I mentioned. Like your mock. I am sure we will adjust many times if last time is any indication.

I love Moffitt as a prospect. A little tall to be an interior lineman, but he is strong, athletic and nasty. I like his ability, and we would be lucky to get him in the second.

Ha ha, like I said in the other thread, I would be very surprised if the draft shakes down like this. That is why it is so great, it is an ever shifting world.
 
I guess we disagree here. I know we just took Jackson in the first, but let's say we add Williams next year. You can then put Quin over at FS or push him into the nickel CB spot. That's a significant upgrade to our team.

This is now a passing league. And I'm of the opinion that the more talented DBs you have the better off you are.

I've been pushing Quinn to FS but was Texans best physical CB last year, that changed with selection of Kareem, now if they added an upgrade coverage corner to compliment Jackson that could push McCain & the Texans would be loaded @ CB hence more willing to move Quinn to his natural position. I like it, but then again picking #25 Williams is off the board so realisticly back to badboys mock. :shades:
 
1st pre-season behind us and look pretty good. If Nolan continues to progress, we might be able to remove FS from a high round pick. I was pleasantly surprised by Troy's play. He and Wilson brought the hammer. I never saw Barber, did he play if so give me your thoughts on his play. Wow, we do need a back up QB. I may have to change my mock to move QB up higher.
 
1st pre-season behind us and look pretty good. If Nolan continues to progress, we might be able to remove FS from a high round pick. I was pleasantly surprised by Troy's play. He and Wilson brought the hammer. I never saw Barber, did he play if so give me your thoughts on his play. Wow, we do need a back up QB. I may have to change my mock to move QB up higher.

impressed with Nolan play, guy is a ballhawk which is what we need @ FS
 
While I think that it is too early to call someone a future starter, I do think that Nolan looks good. I may have to eat some crow on that one.
 
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.
 
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.
The negative you are mentioning can be corrected with good coaching and 8 INTS can not be overlooked. He may or may not step up this year. You should hope Scott can overcome his eligibility issues and get on the field.
 
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.

Texas recently had their final live scrimmage of the summer/fall. Next time they go live in full pads will be in the season opener.

Whenever the defense went into man coverage Gideon was put over the slot receiver. Chiles abused him over and over and over again.
 
I would want no part of having Gideon as a safety on the Texans and I highly doubt he has an NFL career. The guy gets constantly ran over and misses tackles. All the time over the last two years when I'd see big plays occuring agains the Longhorns defense Gideon would somehow be involved. He reminds me of Matt Stevens and I've wanted Christian Scott to be able to start over him at Texas for a while. Gideon gets a lot of praise and all and is a very smart player but he's limited physically.

I've also seen him give up alot of plays in the past couple of years. I never really thought much of him as a prospect, just a guy that makes occasional plays on a good college football team.

Piggy backing off of what bah was saying about Chiles abusing Gideon, FS's in the NFL have to be able to play man coverage against a slot receiver or they won't last if they get there at all.
 
I've also seen him give up alot of plays in the past couple of years. I never really thought much of him as a prospect, just a guy that makes occasional plays on a good college football team.

Piggy backing off of what bah was saying about Chiles abusing Gideon, FS's in the NFL have to be able to play man coverage against a slot receiver or they won't last if they get there at all.
In our defense, a CB would cover that slot WR allowing FS to well be free...
 
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.
 
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.
I'm probably only one that has my philosophy with our defense today. Yes a FS should be able to cover slot. However, with exception maybe of Quin, our corners are bangers and not cover guys. Until proven different(maybe Jackson will be better at this than I think), I want our FS to play back and go deep with WR that I think will jet by our CB. Our other corners should play slot in most situations. I don't want TDs deep over our CBs. Ideally, Jackson or Quin will have backup over the top from our FS. Anyway, both Wilson and Nolan looked awesome so as 65 says may be moot.
 
I dont know badboy, having a FS that can cover the slot or someone out of the backfield is as close to a must in this day and age as any other position. A guy that I have been looking at for 2nd-4th rounds is Temple's Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Not exactly a ball hawk, but makes plays on the ball. A solid tackler, good hip movement and speed, he should be a starter in this league relatively soon. I dont think he has star potential, but I would feel confident with him at FS.

That said, the FS conversation may become moot. I know it was only 1 pre season game, but Nolan looked pretty good.

Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.

I obviously do agree with you that having a FS that can play a slot receiver man up is essential in today's NFL. You can open up so many coverages and blitzes when your FS can do those sorts of things. Look at the Ravens, they've been able to do alot of exotic things over the years because of Ed Reed, and recently Dewan Landry's versatility. Same can be said about Pittsburgh and even Arizona and New Orleans in recent years .
 
Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.

Dont get me wrong, even if Nolan pans out I want a FS in the mid to late rounds. But if Nolan pans out, I think Center clearly becomes a more important hole to fill.

That said, I have been down on Nolan before the season and dont think that he will turn out to be the answer. I was just acknowledging that he had a good preseason game.
 
Regardless of if Nolan emerges as a starter or not the depth at that position is still very weak. Wilson is good for now, but we shouldn't count on him lasting past 1-4 more years. If he lasted even 4 years as a starter I would be very surprised.

I obviously do agree with you that having a FS that can play a slot receiver man up is essential in today's NFL. You can open up so many coverages and blitzes when your FS can do those sorts of things. Look at the Ravens, they've been able to do alot of exotic things over the years because of Ed Reed, and recently Dewan Landry's versatility. Same can be said about Pittsburgh and even Arizona and New Orleans in recent years .
I can see having Wilson FS starter this season and then switching with Nolan. Wilson is 30 and could play back up for a year or two if Nolan can start.

Torri William 6'2" 209 might develop eventually but I don't know much about him. Purdue college. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2820329
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/47962.html
http://rivals.yahoo.com/purdue/football/recruiting/player-Torri-Williams-23593

He seems more of SS to me.
 
Dont get me wrong, even if Nolan pans out I want a FS in the mid to late rounds. But if Nolan pans out, I think Center clearly becomes a more important hole to fill.

That said, I have been down on Nolan before the season and dont think that he will turn out to be the answer. I was just acknowledging that he had a good preseason game.
Scenario pans out that Nolan and Wilson can resolve FS. Give the three top picks by position.
 
That's Not funny! :foottap: Yes it is.:truck:

I really think that unless we sustain more serious injury's, that next year will be the first time we can truly draft BPA. Our depth is starting to look good.
 
I really think that unless we sustain more serious injury's, that next year will be the first time we can truly draft BPA. Our depth is starting to look good.
Agreed although I am concerned that QB may require a high selection unless another Schaub becomes available. Next draft will really takes some work to pull out the gems.
 
Agreed although I am concerned that QB may require a high selection unless another Schaub becomes available. Next draft will really takes some work to pull out the gems.

If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.
 
Scenario pans out that Nolan and Wilson can resolve FS. Give the three top picks by position.

1) Center
2) Backup QB
3) OT

Its actually pretty hard after FS, Center, and backup QB. The Texans have good, young starters across the board, should players pan out as expected. Realistically, the next draft becomes about depth and filling injury holes and free agent defections.
 
If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.

depends where he's projected by NFL draft commettie? if he is projected in the late 20's hell yeah. his people however should advise him to stay in school & become a top 10 pick his senior season.

I could see the Texans using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. some may thing I like to bash Aggies :dangit: (I'm sure there are good ones, somewhere) but you got Kubiak (aggie) & Sherman (aggie) connection it would not surprise me one bit if the Texans took a long look @ A&M QB Jarrod Johnson http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13771091/texas-ams-johnson-still-growing-into-nflcaliber-qb
 
If we are picking in the mid twenties, and someone like Mallett fell to us, I would not be adverse to taking him if he was the BPA.
If Mallett is there we grab him imo. I've been in Orslovky's corner but he really needs to step up this year. Mallett could be a franchise Qb and stats are great. 6'7 238 he could take a few hits.
 
depends where he's projected by NFL draft commettie? if he is projected in the late 20's hell yeah. his people however should advise him to stay in school & become a top 10 pick his senior season.

I could see the Texans using a 2nd or 3rd on a QB. some may thing I like to bash Aggies :dangit: (I'm sure there are good ones, somewhere) but you got Kubiak (aggie) & Sherman (aggie) connection it would not surprise me one bit if the Texans took a long look @ A&M QB Jarrod Johnson http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/13771091/texas-ams-johnson-still-growing-into-nflcaliber-qb
I understand your thinking on Mallett returning to school but remember we should see a tremendous reduction in rookie salaries and more importantly guaranteed money under new CBA. I believe I'd advise him to come out and start getting NFL coaching. Especially with Houston; closed stadium, Kubiac training with Schaub as a mentor. He is 22 and could absorb a pretty decent contract while playing behind Matt for four years.
 
I understand your thinking on Mallett returning to school but remember we should see a tremendous reduction in rookie salaries and more importantly guaranteed money under new CBA. I believe I'd advise him to come out and start getting NFL coaching. Especially with Houston; closed stadium, Kubiac training with Schaub as a mentor. He is 22 and could absorb a pretty decent contract while playing behind Matt for four years.

As far as money goes, it would be better for him to go back and be a top ten pick than to leave early and go in the twenties.

Plus, Petrino is no slouch when it comes to QBs. I'm not saying he is better than a NFL coaching staff. But Mallett would definitely raise his value in the draft.
 
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.
 
Just for the record, I was just using Mallett as an example because he was the first name to come to mind. The point I was making is that if a QB that was highly rated fell to us, I would not be adverse to us selecting one in the first round. I just think that we will be in a position to take the true BPA, not just the best at a position of need.

see 08 Flacco vs Brown
 
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