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Piqued by Peek !

On the Channel 13 news last night (Sunday, 7/31), the sports segment
included a few minutes from the Texans TC. Don't know how many people
saw it, but it included a play where Peek put a Bull Rush on one of our
tackles and totally knocked him on his can - Peek was awesome and it was
a demonstration of his strength as much as his quickness and athleticism, though I'm sure the OLineman was off balance thinking about Peek's outside move. Anyway, Peek did look bigger but he looked very fit and lets hope
he remains healthy and has learned to keep his cool, because he could be in
for a big year. OK, here's the downside to the story, and its a big downer, the
guy he knocked on his butt was Seth Wand. It had to be totally humiliating
for Wand. And they replayed it a couple of times. It reminded me of his meetings last year with the Colts DE Freeney - not very reassuring. Oh well,
were just getting the season started, but as good as Peek looked on the play, Wand looked that bad !
 
The down side to that was the OT he knocked down was as of now our starting LT Seth Wand...............I hope Carr saw that and walks over to the coach's & GM and thanks :goodnight them for listening to him about protecting him more.
 
nunusguy said:
On the Channel 13 news last night (Sunday, 7/31), the sports segment
included a few minutes from the Texans TC. Don't know how many people
saw it, but it included a play where Peek put a Bull Rush on one of our
tackles and totally knocked him on his can - Peek was awesome and it was
a demonstration of his strength as much as his quickness and athleticism, though I'm sure the OLineman was off balance thinking about Peek's outside move. Anyway, Peek did look bigger but he looked very fit and lets hope
he remains healthy and has learned to keep his cool, because he could be in
for a big year. OK, here's the downside to the story, and its a big downer, the
guy he knocked on his butt was Seth Wand. It had to be totally humiliating
for Wand. And they replayed it a couple of times. It reminded me of his meetings last year with the Colts DE Freeney - not very reassuring. Oh well,
were just getting the season started, but as good as Peek looked on the play, Wand looked that bad !
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I watched the Sports Sunday segment last night on Channel 2. Same blip was played on the Bull Rush, and he was interviewed about it. His response was pretty much "it happens to the best of us", as far as what he thought of the person he mowed over (Wand?). He had an awesome and humble attitude and seemed very jazzed to get this season started. Combine that attitude with his play intensity, and I believe that Peek has won over another fan. :)
 
I think this sums up Peeks ride in the NFL. Hopefully he can keep it together and reach his potential.
"If a guy at his position gets 12 or 15 or more sacks, it's an advantage for your team. But he's going to play 800 or more plays during a season. The question is how does he do on those other 785 plays."
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The other thing you can say about that is, if he is getting 15 or more sacks, someone else should be having a really good season for us defensively also.
 
I saw two plays where Peek just annilahated Wand. I don't know whether to be pumped about Peek, or concerned about Wand. Hopefully, Peek will be giving that kind of grief to alot of tackles this year.

I think Vinny has the crux of it though. We need Peek to be a consistant performer, while still having some big play ability. He hasn't shown up to now that he can be a consistent run stopper, or just a consistent performer in general. He has also shown himself to be injury prone. Here's hoping he can put it all together, as I think he may be the biggest key to our defense. If he busts, we are in deep trouble. If he becomes everything his potential suggests he might, playoffs are definitely attainable.
 
Actually, I am liking that Peek is lighting up Wand. Hopefully that will put a little gunpowder up his backside and make him ticked off, agressive and better. Most of what I see wrong with Seth is that he is to passive and thinking about it to much. Hopefully by the end of camp he will have punked Peek a couple of times and then take a nasty attitude into the season. If not, I look for someone else to be playing LT.
 
edo783 said:
Actually, I am liking that Peek is lighting up Wand. Hopefully that will put a little gunpowder up his backside and make him ticked off, agressive and better. Most of what I see wrong with Seth is that he is to passive and thinking about it to much. Hopefully by the end of camp he will have punked Peek a couple of times and then take a nasty attitude into the season. If not, I look for someone else to be playing LT.
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Agree... if Wand expects to handle his own against Indy this year Peek is the perfect training wheels. You can't get better unless there is a little competition... and now practice will means something because both Peek and Wand have something prove- Do they belong as starters?
 
I agree with EDO and Vambo with regards to the Peek/Wand head-to-head exchanges. It is interesting to me that Peek when interviewed about his success vs. Wand on Sunday said something like ..."yeah, I'm trying to make Seth Wand better". Maybe it means that this kid has so much confidence in his ability that when he lines up against Seth all he really sees is chance to help the team improve by making our current LT better. Hopefully Wand will improve his footwork to handle a speed rush and his confidence which I'll bet is not terrific right now.
 
Peek got more sacks and forced fumbles than anyone else last year but only played 4 or 5 plays a game, Maybe he anialates the Oline in practice just to show no mercy when he is on the feild. He will do just fine and will set the tone for the defense to follow, Why, Because he is Antwan


P---E---E-----K

If some of the players would take on half his energy we would be instantly successful
 
DID ANYONE CATCH THE EXTRA POINT SHOW ON 13 SATURDY? THEY HAD A SMALL FEATURE ON PEEK. ON HOW HE GOES TO THE WEIGHT ROOM EARLY EVERY DAY , WORKS WITH THE STRENTH COACH. DRIVES HIMSELF EXTRA HARD THIS YEAR. HE GAINED LIKE 15 OR SO POUNDS OF MUSCLE AND LOST ALOT OF BODY FAT . SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A GUY READY TO KICK SOME MAJOR BUTT. :drool:
 
Peek got more sacks and forced fumbles than anyone else last year but only played 4 or 5 plays a game
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Peek had 2 sacks last season, Wong had 5.5, Dunta had 3, and Babin had 4...
 
edo783 said:
Actually, I am liking that Peek is lighting up Wand. Hopefully that will put a little gunpowder up his backside and make him ticked off, agressive and better. Most of what I see wrong with Seth is that he is to passive and thinking about it to much. Hopefully by the end of camp he will have punked Peek a couple of times and then take a nasty attitude into the season. If not, I look for someone else to be playing LT.
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So is Peek lighting up Wand on every play? Or do the great plays by the DL make the highlight reels, and the plays when th OL stops them not make the reels?

This is not a knock against Peak who I think will be a stud this year. It is just the difference between the OL and DL positions.

I remember (dating myself) the way Mark Gastineau would dance around like an ***** when he made a sack. I thought it would be cool if the offensive lineman would dance a jig every one of the other 20 times he stopped Gastineau in the game. They were both just doing their jobs, right?

That's the difference between OL and DL - the DL get recognized when they make a play, the OL gets recognized when they get beat or called for a penalty.

All that being said, going against Peek is excellent preparation for the Freeneys of the league.
 
Runner said:
So is Peek lighting up Wand on every play? Or do the great plays by the DL make the highlight reels, and the plays when th OL stops them not make the reels?

This is not a knock against Peak who I think will be a stud this year. It is just the difference between the OL and DL positions.

I remember (dating myself) the way Mark Gastineau would dance around like an ***** when he made a sack. I thought it would be cool if the offensive lineman would dance a jig every one of the other 20 times he stopped Gastineau in the game. They were both just doing their jobs, right?

That's the difference between OL and DL - the DL get recognized when they make a play, the OL gets recognized when they get beat or called for a penalty.

All that being said, going against Peek is excellent preparation for the Freeneys of the league.
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Excellent post.
 
Runner said:
I remember (dating myself) the way Mark Gastineau would dance around like an ***** when he made a sack. I thought it would be cool if the offensive lineman would dance a jig every one of the other 20 times he stopped Gastineau in the game. They were both just doing their jobs, right?
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And then he did it in front of the Dawg Pound moments before the browns mounted their comeback and sent the Jets home and advanced to the AFC championship (where we won't discuss what Elway did)
 
"Some of the young guys, like Antwan Peek, have done some good things, like rushing the passer. But he has a lot of work to do on a lot of other things."

from the home front page. I want to see Peek out their starting sunday but that doesnt show alot of promise hes had 3 years to learn all the other things he should be working on. i hope this doesnt mean much.
 
TopTexanFan16 said:
"Some of the young guys, like Antwan Peek, have done some good things, like rushing the passer. But he has a lot of work to do on a lot of other things."

from the home front page. I want to see Peek out their starting sunday but that doesnt show alot of promise hes had 3 years to learn all the other things he should be working on. i hope this doesnt mean much.
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I hope Peek can step it up a bit, Im also anxious to see what Greenwood, Monk and Moreno are gonna do :hmmm:
 
ok i am a HUGE peek fan and i really hope he does well. but in the off chance that he struggles, i hope that kenneth pettway gets a shot. he's big, strong, was a DE in college, and he has 4.6 speed.
 
Anderson is way ahead of Pettway. Pettway is another player who is pretty much a 3 year project as Peek as been.
 
Good ole' PEEK. I knew Peek in college and now just like in those days he shows unbelievable atheltic ability and talent. Question is, will he use it to the best of his ability. No questions about his intensity but he has to keep his head on. After all LB is a thinkin man's job. I look forward to watching his success.
 
I hope Peek has learned to keep the throttle opened up after the snap and doesn't fall into that nonsense so many D guys do of celebrating a tackle before the ball carrier is even on the ground. Sure sounds like he's gonna be the "leader" that Sharper and Foreman was looking around for. :bomb:
 
the most important thing for peek is to get off to a good start and gain some confidence that he can be a full time starter. most people are saying how he needs to work on pass coverage but i think he needs to work of stuffing the run, even though thats not an OLB's main job. He only has 20 carrer tackles which is not acceptable for a starting linebacker.
 
the good thing about peek starting that right OLB spot is that he's got dunta playing the right CB spot. Dunta has shown he's a good run stopper for a CB, so i'm not worried about peek getting burned too much. sure its gonna happen, but dunta will make anybody peek misses pay.
 
He only has 20 carrer tackles which is not acceptable for a starting linebacker.
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Peek hasn't been a starting LB. He's started 4 or 5 games total and has 35 tackles (NFL.com). He's playing a completely different position than he had ever before. Most of those starts were as a rookie when Clemons was injured. We had a lot of injuries on the DL that season including Walker and Payne. Can't expect too much from him that rookie year. Last season he was used as a pass rusher and I believe only started once.

Year 3 is when OLB in the 3-4 are supposed to "get it" and begin to become effective.

not saying he doesn't have a lot of stuff to work on but using his tackle count as ammo against him isn't really fair IMO.
 
stephen1 said:
i just think they shouldnt throw a guy so unexperienced into the fray, but they dont have any other choice.
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he has been in the league 3 years now and in limited use , has shown that he can make crazy big plays. He has experience, and im sure that him practicing with the first team is giving him some extra experiece this TC. One moe thing. If you never start new and upcoming players on your team who show talent, ten years go by and he will never get the chance he deserves and people would say"hey, i wonder how good that guy could have been if he were a starter.
 
Vinny said:
Anderson is way ahead of Pettway. Pettway is another player who is pretty much a 3 year project as Peek as been.
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A lot of people said the same thing about Anderson at this time last year.

Anderson is one year ahead of Pettway. Last year at this time a lot of us saw Charlie in camp and compared him to Peek. This year in camp some of us took one look at Pettway and said, that guy has 3-4 OLB written all over him. He's done well dropping into coverage from what I've seen in drills. You really don't know how these guys are going to turn out until they line up in real game situations.

One thing Pettway has going against him is numbers, since the Texans drafted Peek, Babin, and Anderson in the two drafts before him. Those three are all obviously working out very well and will likely stay ahead of him on the depth chart for a while. Pettway is ahead of Acholonu and Cheatwood imo, so it will come down to special teams.

The Texans took 7 LBs into Week 1 last year. Babin, Wong, Greenwood, Peek, and Anderson are locks.

If they keep 7 again this year, that leaves two spots for Polk, Evans, Pettway, Acholonu, Cheatwood, Orr, Monk, Moreno, Chamberlain, et al.

I see Polk as #6 at the moment and they might want a guy who can play both inside and out for that 7th slot.

All this means is our depth at LB (among other positions) is the best it's ever been. Pettway could start the season on the practice squad but that wouldn't necessarily mean that he's that far behind a guy like Charlie Anderson.
 
i think that pettway could possibly beat polk out. the texans might go for more youth like they have been so far.

here are the stats according to NFL Draft Scout:

DaShon Polk:
Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6017
Weight: 233
40 Yrd Dash: 4.73
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
Wonderlic: 19
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 18
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 9'3"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.45
3-Cone Drill: 7.43

Dates:
Height: 6017
Weight: 233
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Kenneth Pettway:
Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6032
Weight: 234
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.66
Wonderlic: 18
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
Vertical Jump: 32 1/2
Broad Jump: 9'6"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.36
3-Cone Drill: 7.29

Dates: 03/17/2005
Height: 6032
Weight: 234
40 Yrd Dash: 4.65
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 35 1/2
Broad Jump: 9'6"
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:
 
You have to think that Pettway and Cheat wood if he is eligible, will be on the practice squad. Which leaves me to believe that moreno and polk will make the team based on the fact that they have the most experience.
 
but the texans have already favored youth over experience. pbuc over glenn, greenwood over sharper. im just curious.
 
rmartin65 said:
but the texans have already favored youth over experience. pbuc over glenn, greenwood over sharper. im just curious.
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They have favored players on the rise over players in decline.

Good point aj, but I'd still characterize Anderson quite a bit further along than Pettway in understanding the scheme and in their conversion to OLB from DE. I've been told that Anderson has an impressive understanding of what his assignments are and he is further along than Peek was at this time in his career.
 
Peek, Anderson, & Pettway - Antwaan only first day draft pick and a third rounder at that. Anderson and Pettway are 6th & 7th rounders respectively. Teams just don't need to burn high draft picks to get college DE/tweeners who are good material to play OLB in the 3-4.
 
Fact is the same for all the positions. Guys like Kendrell Bell and Derrick Thomas were first day picks as well. I could name a ton of first day tweeners if I took some time.
 
Good point aj, but I'd still characterize Anderson quite a bit further along than Pettway in understanding the scheme and in their conversion to OLB from DE.
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Yeah, he's a year ahead of him as he should be. From what I've been told by people who are out there every day - and from what I've observed, Pettway is also showing the knack. His problem will be the lack of open roster spots ahead of him. Maybe your source and my source need to compare notes.
 
I don't know much on Pettway other than his athleticism (I'll take your word as per your view on him cause you have a good eye). I just know that Anderson has impressed in the classroom. ;)
 
I think that pettway needes to play well in the pre-season, especially on special teams.
 
AJ is most likely dead on about Pettway. My thoughts from the 2005 draft was that Kenneth would be the sleeper pick to actually make the roster, as Vinny states Casserly goes for talent over experience at least in regards to positions of depth. there is some danger involved exposing diamonds in the rough to the practice squad as they can be claimed by other clubs, so do you want to take a chance of losing a potential frontline player in a couple years for a marginal filler now? don't think so.

As for Peek this should be his year to greatly impact the defensive front. it is going to be much more difficult to throw the ball on the Texans so he will have to maintain his area and be also effective against the run & short pass.
OLB's-
  • Babin
  • Peek
  • Anderson
  • Pettway
ILB's-
  • Wong
  • Greenwood
  • Polk
 
beerlover said:
AJ is most likely dead on about Pettway. My thoughts from the 2005 draft was that Kenneth would be the sleeper pick to actually make the roster, as Vinny states Casserly goes for talent over experience at least in regards to positions of depth. there is some danger involved exposing diamonds in the rough to the practice squad as they can be claimed by other clubs, so do you want to take a chance of losing a potential frontline player in a couple years for a marginal filler now? don't think so.

As for Peek this should be his year to greatly impact the defensive front. it is going to be much more difficult to throw the ball on the Texans so he will have to maintain his area and be also effective against the run & short pass.
OLB's-
  • Babin
  • Peek
  • Anderson
  • Pettway
ILB's-
  • Wong
  • Greenwood
  • Polk
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i agree with that.
 
ptowntexanfan said:
Remember, most of Peeks stops came on special teams as well. he has basically no in game LB experience.
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Last year, 3 starts at OLB ( in game LB experience) I think he started one the year before too, i may be wrong.
 
Peek started 4 games in 2003 which were legitimate starts and 1 game last year which was more of an in the game for the 1st defensive play start (Wong, Babin and Peek were all credited with starting against Indy on 12/12).
 
I kind of favor letting the young, talented guys get out on the field and learn the hard way. The Texans are still a very young franchise and we, as fans, are wanting them to win NOW. Maybe if we show some patience developing players like Peek, Anderson and Pettaway(SP?) we can have a solid core on the defense for years to come. Players can only learn so much from practice and need the game day experience to become productive starters in the NFL.
Kind of like the Astro's are letting the young guys in that organization get on the field and play. We'll take some lumps this year, but 2005 and on will be soooo much sweeter because of those lumps. Remember....5 YEAR PLAN. Not 4. :brickwall
 
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