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Cushing telling the truth?

Where do you stand on this whole Cushgate thing?

  • Yes he's telling the truth, he has no idea how HcG got into his system

    Votes: 23 16.3%

  • He is lying, he's been juicing for years

    Votes: 45 31.9%

  • Who cares, whats done is done, just dont get caught again.

    Votes: 73 51.8%
  • Total voters
    141
  • Poll closed .
I certainly hope so. He hasn't lost much of the fanbase, if judging by the boards is any indication, yet. If it turns out he's lying, I think he's out of houston
 
Nobody can say for sure. But I would be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that the guy is a steroid user.

Doesn't really bother me other than the fact that he got caught.
 
I can't believe so many don't care. Very strange.

Its one thing to get busted for PEDs. Its another thing to be on steroids. But its serious to me when someone lies in the face of fans.

Either you believe him that he did not knowingly put steroids/PEDs into his system.
Or you are aknoweldging that a player stood up in front of the media and fans and blatantly lied.
 
I voted "Dont Care" because at this point I have no idea if he did or didnt.

I think there is compelling arguements for both sides.. and I dont think we are going to get a whole lot more information at this point. I HOPE that sometime in the near future he will announce some medical data that gives a good reason for why the hGC was there, something that puts the steroid theories to rest.. but I doubt that will happen.

So my stance has become:

"Either you did it or you didnt, I cant say for sure...so lets just forget about the past and move forward. Keep yourself clean, dont fail any more tests... you will always have the asterisk next to your name, and the hall of fame is probably out of the question now, but you can still win alot of superbowls and be mentioned in the same sentence with the greatest linebackers of all time, and thats gotta count for something."
 
gtexan02 said:
I can't believe so many don't care. Very strange.

Its one thing to get busted for PEDs. Its another thing to be on steroids. But its serious to me when someone lies in the face of fans.

Either you believe him that he did not knowingly put steroids/PEDs into his system.
Or you are aknoweldging that a player stood up in front of the media and fans and blatantly lied.
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Can't speak for others, and I have not voted yet. But it's not that people don't care, but I think that many feel that it's done, he is going to serve his 4 game suspension and nothing we can do about it. Time to move on.
 
JB said:
Can't speak for others, and I have not voted yet. But it's not that people don't care, but I think that many feel that it's done, he is going to serve his 4 game suspension and nothing we can do about it. Time to move on.
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^^^This is why I selected that option
 
He just needs a masking agent for his masking agent (Rickie suggests weed)....and occasionally a bro for the off-season (see Seinfeld).
 
Here is how I see it. Cushing falls into one of these three categories.

Cushing is telling the trouth. (For some reason his diet pills, suppliments, or whatever he takes is causing the FP.)

Cushing THINKS he is telling the truth, but is not being 100% truthful. (He is taking a banned substance but has been doing it so long that it doesnt seem wrong.)

Cushing is lying to help save his reputation and image. (He is taking a banned substance and knows that without it he wont be special. But wants to save face and gain everyone's respect back.)


I really want to believe its an FP, but the deck is stacked against him. At this point he is guilty until proven innocent.
 
I think you'll find his pants are on fire.

A bizarre and wholely unbelievable story. Quite what cancer sufferers or those that have lost loved ones to this killer will make of it beggars belief.
 
WHO CARES?????!!!! For the people who b i t c h and moan that he has been juicing for years, I hope your weren't cheering for him while he was tearing up the league last year!! I don't give crap what these players do because at the end of the day there are more that are juicing that we will ever know about. As long as them team wins, I don't care how they do it. Between my seats and the tailgates, I spend more than $10,000 a year on the Texans. I pay to watch them win. I've paid alot of money threw the years and all I've gotten back is a bunch of L's!!

If Cushing was taking steriods and has been, then he is doing it to win. If the man wants to risk his OWN life to win, then I'm on board!! Like the old saying, " If you ain't cheating, then you ain't trying!"

I wish we had more Cushing's then the David Carr's because a good person doesn't win championships, and before you call out Payton Manning's name just remember that Big Ben has more rings!

:twocents::rant::soapbox:
 
infantrycak said:
Would have been nice to have a don't know option.
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I agree. I do not think he was being completely honest at the press conference, but that doesn't mean he's juicing.

The press conference seemed very controlled, and according to many reporters, it was barely 9 minutes long, reporters were only allowed one question with no follow up, and implied sanctions against reporters by the front office were suggested if things got out of hand (whatever that means).

It seemed so...manipulated and corporate, I guess. I like Cushing, will continue to root for him as long as he's a Texan, but I don't wear homer blinders. There's just something not right about this whole story, but beyond that is just speculation, IMO.

Personally, I'm ready for this thing to blow over and see some football.
 
Since I'm a firm believer that a HUGE percentage of NFL players are liars and cheats anyway, I TRUTHFULLY, DON'T care!! I don't have to respect a player to like his play on the field. Players cheat in more ways than one ya know, and LIE about it. Illegal hits on the field that blows out someones knee or causes a concussion, and they pull the little boy act saying "I didn't mean to do it!" BS!!!! DWI's, spousal abuse, weapons violations, MURDER, etc, etc, etc. BUT, always an excuse, few ever OWN up to what they did wrong. Yes, they are bound by league rules, and if they get CAUGHT need to pay the price! DO IT, get over it, and (if possible))go back out and play the game of football, which is what they get paid to do. Anyone who has been a football fan for very long should be able to blow this crap off. Much worst stuff has happened in the NFL, and will continue to happen. Much rather Cush fail a drug test than get caught beating up on his girlfriend! JMO!
 
I didn't buy his explanation yesterday. But I still think if did take something it was before the season had started and that's why the lab found trace amounts of hcg. I hope he has learned from his mistake and moves forward.
 
I think he's definitely telling the truth in places.... (lol)

I wouldn't call him a full blown liar, but there are definitely some parts that just have me thinking "really Brian?". I do believe him when he says he hasn't taken steroids, at least around the time in question. That September morning... I don't think this has anything to do with Steroids. I do think he takes a butt load of supplements and this hcg happened to be in one of them. Maybe he was taking it intentionally, but I don't think he's the bold faced cheater that many people do. And I don't think its an overtly performance enhancing drug where he's cheating. I do find it questionable that it's never registered at this level before or after. It could be something that's part of his intake and this time he had a little too much to tip the scales. I'm not worried about it other than the fact he misses 4 games and even more if this happens again.

I don't think he's a cheater at all though.
 
Lying.

Despite my desire to want to believe him, I'm sold in the fact that time and time again, professional athletes get up in front of the cameras pound their chest, put on that matter of fact face and tell everyone that they have not done anything wrong; have not taken roids, have not done this, that or the other, only to find out otherwise in the end.

My vote has less to do with Cush's integrity, and more about the forrest for the trees concept.
 
Personally, I don't care.

I actually believe him in that I think he was surprised that he tested positive for hCG and I even think he hadn't knowingly taken hCG. OTOH, I absolutely believe that he's taking every performance enhancing drug he can figure out how to take without testing positive. Whether those are steroids or even drugs that the NFL and the general public haven't even heard of is a totally different story.

And I don't think that can be considered cheating because I think it's actually a part of the game that we, the fans, don't even see. It's a part of the game that takes place in the background. I think every athlete out there is looking for an advantage and if they can find a drug that will give them the advantage and won't get them suspended, they'll give it a shot.

I think Brian took something and it raised his hCG as an unintended side effect.

And I don't care as long as he gets it all figured out.
 
If I had to venture a response I would say it's most likely that he is not telling the truth, that he was using PED's. It's the most logical conclusion, all things considered and IMO. However, he's always adamantly maintained that he's clean - it's obviously a very important issue with him, and his denial casts enough of a shadow of uncertainty that I think this episode won't haunt him for long if he can a) come back and play well, and b) never test positive again. That he was able to accomplish that small uncertainty through the PC made it a successful exercise for him, IMO.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Personally, I don't care.

I actually believe him in that I think he was surprised that he tested positive for hCG and I even think he hadn't knowingly taken hCG. OTOH, I absolutely believe that he's taking every performance enhancing drug he can figure out how to take without testing positive. Whether those are steroids or even drugs that the NFL and the general public haven't even heard of is a totally different story.

And I don't think that can be considered cheating because I think it's actually a part of the game that we, the fans, don't even see. It's a part of the game that takes place in the background. I think every athlete out there is looking for an advantage and if they can find a drug that will give them the advantage and won't get them suspended, they'll give it a shot.

I think Brian took something and it raised his hCG as an unintended side effect.

And I don't care as long as he gets it all figured out.
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I think this is the best post yet
 
The Pencil Neck said:
I think Brian took something and it raised his hCG as an unintended side effect.
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Brian said, or it was at least implied, that he only takes supplements that are OK'd by the Texans nutrition staff, who test the supplement to make sure it won't violate the rules of the NFL. Do you believe he's taking supplements outside of that confidence or that the Texans' nutrition staff whiffed? I'm partial to the prior, and would be interested to know if it will continue in lieu of this episode.
 
JB said:
Can't speak for others, and I have not voted yet. But it's not that people don't care, but I think that many feel that it's done, he is going to serve his 4 game suspension and nothing we can do about it. Time to move on.
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That's about it. I don't know if he did, didn't, whatever.... At this point, I'm not sure I want to know. I'm just hoping that he's as bad ass as he was last year when he steps back on the field. I want Cushlash, dammit, not Shawn Merriman v2.0.

Whatever is done is done, I guess. My statement to Brian: Just don't put the team in this position again, knucklehead.

HJam72 said:
He just needs a masking agent for his masking agent (Rickie suggests weed)....and occasionally a bro for the off-season (see Seinfeld).
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Manziere, thank you very much.

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Double Barrel said:
It seemed so...manipulated and corporate, I guess.
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One moment kind of stood out to me and it had no merit to the subject at hand particularly, but often those kinds of questions are good indicators. You wouldn't catch it unless you saw the interview on TV. Some reporter asked Cushing about Florio or someone saying he should give the DROY back. Cushing responded "why would I, I earned that award on the field." It wasn't so much the words but his eyes flared and his facial expression went fierce. I don't know if he used steroids but I think he is fiercely proud of his performance and doesn't consider himself a cheater.
 
infantrycak said:
One moment kind of stood out to me and it had no merit to the subject at hand particularly, but often those kinds of questions are good indicators. You wouldn't catch it unless you saw the interview on TV. Some reporter asked Cushing about Florio or someone saying he should give the DROY back. Cushing responded "why would I, I earned that award on the field." It wasn't so much the words but his eyes flared and his facial expression went fierce. I don't know if he used steroids but I think he is fiercely proud of his performance and doesn't consider himself a cheater.
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Yeah I saw that, I noticed he had some fire in his eyes that makes me really want to believe hes telling the truth. Also, was I mistaken or did he get choked up in the beginning of the press conference or was he just clearing his throat?
 
I will say this, Im glad we have something to talk about right about now in the offseason. Normally we have a bunch of BS topics and hooplah on the boards at least unitl OTA's but this has given us something to yap about.

Unfortunately its about our star player in a bad light.....oh well, Ill take what I can get (selfishly)
:pissed:
 
2slik4u said:
Also, was I mistaken or did he get choked up in the beginning of the press conference or was he just clearing his throat?
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Looked like his throat tightened up on him. Happens to me sometimes when I have to speak in public..... just nerves, methinks.

2slik4u said:
I will say this, Im glad we have something to talk about right about now in the offseason. Normally we have a bunch of BS topics and hooplah on the boards at least unitl OTA's but this has given us something to yap about
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I'd gladly take some peace and quiet and nothing to talk about if we weren't about to lose our stud strongside 'backer for four games.
 
The Texans are no stranger to controversy though.

Didn't last year we end up talking for a long time about being suspended due to training camp violations?
 
Fox said:
Brian said, or it was at least implied, that he only takes supplements that are OK'd by the Texans nutrition staff, who test the supplement to make sure it won't violate the rules of the NFL. Do you believe he's taking supplements outside of that confidence or that the Texans' nutrition staff whiffed? I'm partial to the prior, and would be interested to know if it will continue in lieu of this episode.
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He said that he took supplements that had been OK'd by the Texans. We've heard rumors that this incident may have gotten Ray Wright fired and that someone had told Wright & Cushing that something Cushing was taking could test positive. So there's the possibility that Wright at least OK'd whatever it was that Brian took that raised his hCG (assuming, of course, that he took something that did that.)

I wouldn't really be surprised if he was taking extra stuff BUT I'm not part of the NFL. It might be that NFL athletes work very closely with the S&C staff and get everything they put into their bodies vetted as a matter of course or it might be that guys pretty much take whatever they want and just check a list to make sure what they're taking isn't on it. I don't know. I'd imagine most guys take some stuff on the side but I could be wrong.
 
I voted "Lying". I actually don't care so much that he was using as I do that he's lying to us about it. There are only a couple ways hCG gets detected on a test - you either have a serious medical condition or you're using. I'm going to send positive vibes his way and assume he has no medical condition.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
It might be that NFL athletes work very closely with the S&C staff and get everything they put into their bodies vetted as a matter of course or it might be that guys pretty much take whatever they want and just check a list to make sure what they're taking isn't on it. I don't know. I'd imagine most guys take some stuff on the side but I could be wrong.
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Check out CnD's post in the 'Tainted Supplements' thread, sounds like there's no excuse for taking a bad supplement if you cooperate with your team's nutrition resources.
 
Fox said:
Check out CnD's post in the 'Tainted Supplements' thread, sounds like there's no excuse for taking a bad supplement if you cooperate with your team's nutrition resources.
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"IF you cooperate with your team's nutrition resources."

My post was saying I'm not sure how closely a lot of athletes actually do that.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
"IF you cooperate with your team's nutrition resources."

My post was saying I'm not sure how closely a lot of athletes actually do that.
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I would tend to think particularly in this instance that the athlete in question was not doing that. I also wonder how much sense it would make for Ray Wright to be OK'ing the supplements and not the nutritionist on staff. Also, again it feels like Cushing implied that he was doing that in the PC... I'm dubious.
 
Hanging out with a friend with a home gym, "Hey Brian try this."
"no thanks man", Brian goes to Bathroom, friend puts a little in his drink
Wham he gets busted. Not so hard to believe if you ask me
 
I am going to go out on a limb and say he is telling the truth simply because I'd hate to go to hell. A little bride told me it is very hot down there folks.
 
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