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Jags Moving Reggie Nelson?

El Tejano

El Tejano

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Jaguars | Interested in moving Reggie Nelson?
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Tue, 04 May 2010 09:14:38 -0400

The Jacksonville Jaguars have discussed the possibility of trading FS Reggie Nelson, reports Josina Anderson, of FOX 31 Denver, via Twitter, according to sources.

This player was a highly touted coming out of college. He was a first round pick back in 08? I'm curious how many people here would still want him.
 
His stat page looks exactly like he came from the Texans.

5 INTs his rookie year, 2 his sophomore, none last year.
 
I don't know what he is worth, but as a fa I would give him a little cash and let him go through a camp. I don't know exactly what his deal is. What are his short co9mmings? Im kinda scared of a guy who gets worse the more tape you have to look at.
 
Likely he can be had for a relatively cheap price. Probably a 4th or 5th.

I'd pull the trigger, guy has first round talent. We'd use one or both of those picks on a TE anyway.
 
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I would say a 6th or 7th would be worth it to get him, but after this last draft and seeing what the Texans got with those picks, I would say no.
 
The problem with Nelson is that he has the measurables, he just doesn't have the smarts. I'll take my chances with Barber over I trade anything for Nelson.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
The problem with Nelson is that he has the measurables, he just doesn't have the smarts. I'll take my chances with Barber over I trade anything for Nelson.
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If we could sign him as a free agent, make him spill the beans about their defensive schemes and tendencies, and then cut him before the season...that'd be fine by me.

But to trade for the guy? Pass.

One of two things are going on here:

1. Jags know how bad he is, and they want to get rid of him. But why trade for the guy when you could easily draft a guy with that lost draft pick?

2. The Jags DON'T know how to groom/manage their players. In this scenario, Reggie Nelson isn't as good as he ought to be...because of the Jags.

I am having a hard time understanding how someone like Reggie Nelson can do very well his first season, slide a bit in his second year, and then bottom out in the third year. Maybe after a year of playing against him, opposing teams found a way to beat him and Nelson hasn't adjusted to it.
 
El Tejano said:
Yeah he has done good by us before.

Bernard Pollard
Brice Mccain
Glover Quin
and what the heck...Jacque Reeves has been a bit more decent too.
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Decent list. But, Quinn and McCain will be second year guys, I'd like to have a bit more time to see if Gibbs is capable of developing guys into pro bowl caliber players before handing him the keys to Houston.

GP said:
If we could sign him as a free agent, make him spill the beans about their defensive schemes and tendencies, and then cut him before the season...that'd be fine by me.

But to trade for the guy? Pass.

One of two things are going on here:

1. Jags know how bad he is, and they want to get rid of him. But why trade for the guy when you could easily draft a guy with that lost draft pick?

2. The Jags DON'T know how to groom/manage their players. In this scenario, Reggie Nelson isn't as good as he ought to be...because of the Jags.

I am having a hard time understanding how someone like Reggie Nelson can do very well his first season, slide a bit in his second year, and then bottom out in the third year. Maybe after a year of playing against him, opposing teams found a way to beat him and Nelson hasn't adjusted to it.
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Not making excuses necessarily, but I will point out he's gone through several changes at D coordinator. Mike Smith went on to the HC gig in ATL and as well all know Gregg Williams went on to New Orleans.

I would also point out Since Mike Smith has left they haven't really done a great job developing their defensive draft picks. Which just might be the case with Nelson.

IMO the difference between pulling the trigger on trading the guy for a 4th, 5th or 6th and taking a flyer on another Troy Smith, Brandon Harrison, D. Barber type player in the same rounds is Nelson is going to be more gifted athletically then those guys and comes from a championship program and better or worse is going to be more experienced.
 
Goldensilence said:
Decent list. But, Quinn and McCain will be second year guys, I'd like to have a bit more time to see if Gibbs is capable of developing guys into pro bowl caliber players before handing him the keys to Houston.
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Agreed. Gibbs is highly thought of, for me it's wait and see on some development. So far so good but we saw what happened to Freddy B after his good freshman season.
Not making excuses necessarily, but I will point out he's gone through several changes at D coordinator. Mike Smith went on to the HC gig in ATL and as well all know Gregg Williams went on to New Orleans.

I would also point out Since Mike Smith has left they haven't really done a great job developing their defensive draft picks. Which just might be the case with Nelson.
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Really good point to bring up. Different guys running the show, could be this had an effect on Nelson.
IMO the difference between pulling the trigger on trading the guy for a 4th, 5th or 6th and taking a flyer on another Troy Smith, Brandon Harrison, D. Barber type player in the same rounds is Nelson is going to be more gifted athletically then those guys and comes from a championship program and better or worse is going to be more experienced.
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With all that said, the rookie draft pick still might have more potential or be a better football player than Nelson.
 
Goldensilence said:
Decent list. But, Quinn and McCain will be second year guys, I'd like to have a bit more time to see if Gibbs is capable of developing guys into pro bowl caliber players before handing him the keys to Houston.
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that would be the intelligent thing to do I suppose but this is all conjecture anyway, as such I've seen enough magic since David Gibbs came on board to go ahead let him test drive & see how he handles the road.


Goldensilence said:
Not making excuses necessarily, but I will point out he's gone through several changes at D coordinator. Mike Smith went on to the HC gig in ATL and as well all know Gregg Williams went on to New Orleans.
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isn't Gregg looking into moving Jenkins to safety or leave him @ CB?

Goldensilence said:
I would also point out Since Mike Smith has left they haven't really done a great job developing their defensive draft picks. Which just might be the case with Nelson.

IMO the difference between pulling the trigger on trading the guy for a 4th, 5th or 6th and taking a flyer on another Troy Smith, Brandon Harrison, D. Barber type player in the same rounds is Nelson is going to be more gifted athletically then those guys and comes from a championship program and better or worse is going to be more experienced.
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I agree with this, bottom line here is the Texans Bush/Gibbs have enough projects to develop, it would be a positive move for Nelson more than anything but I doubt Jag's help a divsional rival continue to re-tool.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Agreed. Gibbs is highly thought of, for me it's wait and see on some development. So far so good but we saw what happened to Freddy B after his good freshman season.

Really good point to bring up. Different guys running the show, could be this had an effect on Nelson.

With all that said, the rookie draft pick still might have more potential or be a better football player than Nelson.
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Fred Bennett doesn't have the hips to be a viable starting NFL corner.....that's the part of his game that got exposed. If you turn him around he's done.
 
beerlover said:
that would be the intelligent thing to do I suppose but this is all conjecture anyway, as such I've seen enough magic since David Gibbs came on board to go ahead let him test drive & see how he handles the road.

I don't know about magic, but I would agree that we got better CB last year and big contributions from rookies. Part of that is though we cut off a lot of vets to give the young guys a shot. Looks like initially it's paid off.


isn't Gregg looking into moving Jenkins to safety or leave him @ CB?

I don't know. I haven't heard but with getting Sharper resigned I think that makes it a less likely move unless they are giving up on Jenkins as a CB already.Which doesn't make much sense to me.



I agree with this, bottom line here is the Texans Bush/Gibbs have enough projects to develop, it would be a positive move for Nelson more than anything but I doubt Jag's help a divsional rival continue to re-tool.
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Agree on Jacksonville being hesitant to trade him within the division(though they should for taking Boselli off their hands). Problem I see is we've got a ton of projects in the secondary behind our starters. I think we can afford to lose Wilson for parts of the season again. But, I really believe our secondary takes a huge hit if Pollard goes out.

For once I'd like to see us even take the sale rack for help at FS as opposed to looking to grab bags and hope we get lucky. Not saying Nelson is the end all answer safety, but IMO i think he's a large upgrade to what we've got behind our starters and might be a better option at FS.
 
GP said:
If we could sign him as a free agent, make him spill the beans about their defensive schemes and tendencies, and then cut him before the season...that'd be fine by me.

But to trade for the guy? Pass.



One of two things are going on here:

1. Jags know how bad he is, and they want to get rid of him. But why trade for the guy when you could easily draft a guy with that lost draft pick?

2. The Jags DON'T know how to groom/manage their players. In this scenario, Reggie Nelson isn't as good as he ought to be...because of the Jags.

I am having a hard time understanding how someone like Reggie Nelson can do very well his first season, slide a bit in his second year, and then bottom out in the third year. Maybe after a year of playing against him, opposing teams found a way to beat him and Nelson hasn't adjusted to it.
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This is from an article from June 2009

He bit on play fakes and missed tackles, reacted late on long passes and gave up touchdowns. Opposing offenses feasted on Nelson's mistakes, targeting the former Florida Gators standout 39 times while completing 20 passes (for five TDs) as the defense gave up 55 completions of longer than 20yards, with seven going for scores.
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Nelson suffered a hip injury in last year's season opener at Tennessee, then went down with a bruised knee two weeks later at Indianapolis that forced him to miss three games. Compounding matters seemed to be the complexity of the club's defensive system.

Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams (who has since moved on to New Orleans) implemented his aggressive schemes while attempting to stick to Del Rio's core philosophies. The effort to blend the coaches' ideologies resulted in confusion.

On any given defensive call, Nelson could be responsible for making three or four different checks, depending on several factors (game plan, down and distance, offensive formation, etc.). This offseason, Del Rio and new defensive coordinator Mel Tucker are working to simplify the system, which would eliminate tentative play brought on by fear of making mistakes.

"They're cleaning up a lot of stuff, man," Nelson said, "so we can just fly around and not worry about thinking too much."

Nelson downplayed the notion that last year's defensive system might have been too complicated, saying, "That wasn't the case. It's our job [to learn the scheme]. It doesn't matter how many checks are being made. The safety is the quarterback out there on defense, so you've still got to execute."
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Yesterday:

Nelson admitted he had a poor season in 2009, when he was benched at the end of the season, and didn't make excuses about it. "I had mistakes last year, I did," he said. "I've watched film since I've been here in February and I can own up and say, 'Yes, I did blow some coverages. Yes, I did miss tackles.' That's something I've looked at. I have to correct them; don't go backwards, go forward." Asked if he sees any more work at nickel or corner ahead. "The way things happened last year, I don't think I'd do it," he said. "I will not do it. I tried that last year. It didn't work. I don't think it was fair to me. I would not go back. You live and you learn."
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This April 2010 article certainly makes you wonder:

What the Jaguars addressed instead was their atrocious pass rush by signing Packers DE Aaron Kampman in free agency and selecting four defensive lineman with their first four selections. The assumed result is that the Jaguars will improve upon a pass rush that produced a league worst 14 sacks.
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In 2008 and 2009 combined, Nelson has recorded 2 interceptions and 9 passes defended.

A similar decline was seen by the Jaguars pass rush. In 2007 the Jaguars finished with 37 sacks which placed them in the top 10 in the NFL. In 2008 that number dropped to 29, dropping them to 20th in the NFL. Finally in 2009, the sack total plummeted to an awful 14 that earned them the title as NFL's worst pass rush.
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Nick Collins is the only player on the list to have made the Pro Bowl on a team with under 30 sacks. At 14 sacks, is it fair to put the blame entirely on Nelson? If the remodeled pass rush was accomplished, Nelson will have reached the end of his rope. The answer will be found as to whether he's a regressing player or the victim of a poor pass rush.
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Sounds like an answer we may looking for this year too concerning some of our secondary.
 
LOL I remember a few years ago when I was pretty much made fun of on this board leading up to the draft when I had the audacity to claim that Michael Griffin would be a better FS in the NFL than Nelson.
 
Nothing's wrong with him imo the jags just have a pass rush that isn't worth didley poo leaving guys in the secondary to get exposed.

His career stats compared to L. Landry, look damn near identical & Landry was supposed to be the complete prospect coming out.

If you look at his stats from last year compared to some of the top guys they aren't that bad either.

Considering what he has around him versus the other guys, he's fared ok. Maybe it's just a case of the D-coordinator wanting "his" guy.

I say that to say that if i were the texans, i'd take a look.
 
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