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Garrett Graham TE Wisconson -4th round selection

2slik4u

Veteran
Can someone please enlighten me on why the hell we took two tight ends AGAIN????

And why we havent taken a guard?

WTF?


I need some convincing on why two tightends were necessary, please help me out here.
 

No More 8-8's

Waterboy
This is why, following the borad sometimes doesnt make sense. We now have 5 TE on the roster. Are we already giving up on ANthony Hill last year????
 

gg no re

iggnorent
insurance policy for OD?

I mean, we've been 1 for 1 on Wisconsin TEs so far, so the odds are in our favor.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Garrett Graham isn't as flashy as many of the other tight end prospects for 2010, but he is one of the most complete players. Graham doesn't have the same type of straight line speed as Aaron Hernandez or Jermaine Gresham, but he always seems to find a way to get open. He saw his first major action as a sophomore, catching 30 passes for 328 yards and 4 touchdowns in 2007. He took over as the main target last year for the injured Travis Beckum and caught 40 passes for 540 yards and 5 touchdowns. He again surpassed those numbers as a senior. Graham has caught 51 passes for 624 yards and 7 touchdowns. These aren't eye popping statistics, but he plays for one of the most run heavy offenses of the last decade. Graham makes an excellent safety valve for his quarterback. He finds holes in zone coverage and sits down to provide an easy target. Because of Wisconsin's preference to run the ball, he has become an excellent run blocker. He has the size and upper body strength to take on defensive ends in the run game as well as linebackers. He may become an H-back in the NFL. Graham will likely be picked up in the late fourth or early fifth round of the 2010 draft.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2194

Sounds to me like Anthony Hill may be hurt really bad.
 

rmartin65

Phil Kessel: Nice Guy. Tries Hard.
6 TEs. Unbelievable. Teams usually dont even carry 4, how the hell are the Texans going to make room for 6 TEs? Say the FA TE gets cut after camp. That is still 5 TEs!
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
6 TEs. Unbelievable. Teams usually dont even carry 4, how the hell are the Texans going to make room for 6 TEs? Say the FA TE gets cut after camp. That is still 5 TEs!
Who are the 6? OD, Dreesen, Casey, Hill, and now this guy, right? We did not take the Mowhatever guy that ESPN has us listed as taking.

That said, we're bringing back the run and shoot, baby! But you know ... with TEs.

:D
 

GP

Go Texans!
Uh, OD is coming off an injury.

Anthony Hill got hurt.

James Casey did not ignite and set the turf on fire.

So that leaves Dreesen who did the heavy lifting last season.

It's insurance, at a spot that apparently is very crucial to what we do on offense. It now seems that Kubiak's offense philosophy places a huge emphasis on having a very capable TE.

It must be a very integral part of what he needs for the offense to succeed. If we went with two TEs last year in the 4th and another one in this year's 4th round, I'd say we're pretty serious about keeping that position stocked.
 

eriadoc

Texan-American
Oh, I forgot about Connor Barwin! There's another potential TE! We are going to own the TE position in the NFL.

Kubiak:TE::Gruden:QB
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Uh, OD is coming off an injury.

Anthony Hill got hurt.

James Casey did not ignite and set the turf on fire.

So that leaves Dreesen who did the heavy lifting last season.

It's insurance, at a spot that apparently is very crucial to what we do on offense. It now seems that Kubiak's offense philosophy places a huge emphasis on having a very capable TE.

It must be a very integral part of what he needs for the offense to succeed. If we went with two TEs last year in the 4th and another one in this year's 4th round, I'd say we're pretty serious about keeping that position stocked.
And Dreessen had off-season shoulder surgery.

That's three injured TEs.
 

GP

Go Texans!
Who are the 6? OD, Dreesen, Casey, Hill, and now this guy, right? We did not take the Mowhatever guy that ESPN has us listed as taking.

That said, we're bringing back the run and shoot, baby! But you know ... with TEs.

:D
We acquired Michael Gaines who appears to be a journeyman TE. Probably just for camp fodder.

I think we're going to employ OD, Dreesen or Hill (one is going to get let go), and Casey. The 4th round TE we just got is going to be on the practice squad (as usual) and the Gaines fellow will be cut during one of our roster cutdowns.

Just spitballin' here, so feel free to chime in.
 

Austrian

All Pro
Uh, OD is coming off an injury.

Anthony Hill got hurt.

James Casey did not ignite and set the turf on fire.

So that leaves Dreesen who did the heavy lifting last season.

It's insurance, at a spot that apparently is very crucial to what we do on offense. It now seems that Kubiak's offense philosophy places a huge emphasis on having a very capable TE.

It must be a very integral part of what he needs for the offense to succeed. If we went with two TEs last year in the 4th and another one in this year's 4th round, I'd say we're pretty serious about keeping that position stocked.
Still it seems like Kubiak collects TEs like Gruden collects QBs.
 

JimC

Practice Squad
Even if they put a TE on IR or trade a TE, that still leaves a camp guy they have to cut plus 4 TE on the roster... They must have something in mind.

Maybe they plan to put Hill on IR or trade OD or Dreessen, then use Graham as a FB/TE combo?
 

Errant Hothy

Hypermediocrity
Uh, OD is coming off an injury.

Anthony Hill got hurt.

James Casey did not ignite and set the turf on fire.

So that leaves Dreesen who did the heavy lifting last season.

It's insurance, at a spot that apparently is very crucial to what we do on offense. It now seems that Kubiak's offense philosophy places a huge emphasis on having a very capable TE.

It must be a very integral part of what he needs for the offense to succeed. If we went with two TEs last year in the 4th and another one in this year's 4th round, I'd say we're pretty serious about keeping that position stocked.
OD and Hill are coming off of ACLs, not a minor injury. GP, not saying you were implying they had minor issues; but I think all of the jumpers need to reconsider the extent of the OD and Hill's issues.

This offense runs (both overall and the ball) better when there is a pass catching threat on the field at the TE spot.
 

Drew_Smoke

@Drew_Smoke
Graham is a playa. 2 Time All Big 10?

Open D and Graham will be known as the Badger Brothers....pay me if you wanna use it Mr McNair...Thanks
 

OzzO

.. and then?
Per P-Neck's quote above
....He finds holes in zone coverage and sits down to provide an easy target. Because of Wisconsin's preference to run the ball, he has become an excellent run blocker. He has the size and upper body strength to take on defensive ends in the run game as well as linebackers. He may become an H-back in the NFL....
sounds good.

Possible dual position, put some competition at both spots?
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
Even if they put a TE on IR or trade a TE, that still leaves a camp guy they have to cut plus 4 TE on the roster... They must have something in mind.

Maybe they plan to put Hill on IR or trade OD or Dreessen, then use Graham as a FB/TE combo?
Hill, Dreessen, and OD may not be ready for TC. NONE of them. That leaves them the new guy they signed off the street (who is just a camp body), Casey, and this new kid. That's a lot of reps in TC for Casey and this new kid.

I think this draft choice implies that Dreessen and Hill may not even be ready for the start of the season.
 

GP

Go Texans!
Even if they put a TE on IR or trade a TE, that still leaves a camp guy they have to cut plus 4 TE on the roster... They must have something in mind.

Maybe they plan to put Hill on IR or trade OD or Dreessen, then use Graham as a FB/TE combo?
Yeah, some definite changes are coming.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to keep Hill and let Dreesen go. 98% of fans here would be shocked, but I have seen them do cute things like that before. You just never know.

OD ought to be OK and back to almost his old self, so I don't think he's going anywhere THIS year. That's one TE.

Casey isn't going anywhere either. That's the second TE.

Dreesen and Hill are my likely candidates for a cut, leaving one as the third TE.

The newly-drafted guy will be on the practice squad as an emergency backup.

The newly-acquired free agent will work his ass off during camp, and can only remain if one or two guys go down to injury or some other development removes a TE or two from the roster.
 

bckey

All Pro
Once again the Texans neglected the fs position. And we keep passing up ol and dl. Geno Atkins and Cam Thomas seem like no brainers at this point with our current dl. I would rather stockpile ol and dl instead of te because maybe if we draft enough we might generate a pass rush on defense and also block some of these big nose tackles we have to face this year with our ol.
 

Hardcore Texan

Magnet Man
I am absolutely baffled by this pick. Baffled I say.

I almost jokingly posted after the LB pick, "what's next a tightend"......little did I think there was even a remote possibility.

I can't believe our staff is content with our OL, and damn we sure need a DB way worse than a effin TE. :gun:
 

GP

Go Texans!
OD and Hill are coming off of ACLs, not a minor injury. GP, not saying you were implying they had minor issues; but I think all of the jumpers need to reconsider the extent of the OD and Hill's issues.

This offense runs (both overall and the ball) better when there is a pass catching threat on the field at the TE spot.
The early indication on OD is that he might be back to form and there's no lingering complications. At least that's the "filtered" word on his status.

Hill just might be a guy who got bitten by the injury bug and isn't coming back as strong as OD. I don't know for sure, because I have no news on it. Does anybody have any news on his recovery thus far?

I think the jury is out on who makes this roster at TE, but with pretty good odds that Casey gets one spot and the 4th rounder is on practice squad.

Lots of things can happen between now and our first game, though.
 

TexCanada

All Pro
What if this guy is really good? Who here did hours of film work on this kid like the Texans?
Exactly. If they think he is going to be a really good player then why not take him? One of guys can be traded for a draft pick when they are all healthy
 

2slik4u

Veteran
I am absolutely baffled by this pick. Baffled I say.

I almost jokingly posted after the LB pick, "what's next a tightend"......little did I think there was even a remote possibility.

I can't believe our staff is content with our OL, and damn we sure need a DB way worse than a effin TE. :gun:
Dude, I agree. The only thing I can think of is Wade Smith is impressing Smithiak and they got their eye on a guard later on in the draft.

Whatever the case may be, Im with you on the baffled bus.
 

nytexan

Waterboy
Conference: Big Ten
HT: 6-3
WT: 243
40 Time: 4.71
Biography: Three-year starter awarded All-Conference honors as a senior after career receiving numbers of 51/624/7. Junior totals included 40/540/5.

Positives: Reliable pass-catching tight end with marginal size/speed numbers for the next level. Plays with a good degree of quickness, breaks down well, and fluid releasing off the line into routes. Shows great awareness on the field, effectively extends his hands and makes the reception away from his frame. Nicely adjusts to make the catch in stride and at times comes away with some incredible receptions.

Negatives: Gives effort blocking yet lacks strength, rarely gets movement, and cannot finish off defenders. Lacks the deep speed to be a downfield threat. Occasionally lets the ball slip through his hands.

Analysis: Graham has been productive on the college level three years running yet lacks the overall physical skills to be anything other than a second tight end for an NFL team. He's best in a system that would put him in motion and comes with a special teams mentality.

Projection: 5th
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2010/draft/players/44033

No FS, DT or OL's for this guy???? Very disappointing 4th round IMO.
 

V Man

Pumpkinhead
Texans' 4th Round = Wasted


wheeling and dealing for extra picks are now looking like a waste of time
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
I was driving to work and thinking "I'd be alright with the Texans drafting Henandez, the TE out of Florida in the 4th"

I guess Graham grades out about the same
 

JimC

Practice Squad
I think the jury is out on who makes this roster at TE, but with pretty good odds that Casey gets one spot and the 4th rounder is on practice squad.
Putting a 4th round pick on the practice squad is pretty dangerous. He would have to go through waivers, and any other team that needs depth at TE could snatch him up. Handing another team our 4th round pick would be a huge waste.
 

Wolf

100% Texan
also found this:

Although he was a tight end in three years at Wisconsin, Graham may lack the prototypical size and strength to play the position in the NFL and instead projects as one of the top fullbacks in this draft. There is no doubt he possesses the necessary receiving skills to succeed at the next level, finishing his career tied for fifth in school history with 16 receiving touchdowns and tied for sixth with 121 catches. He had his most productive season in 2009, leading the Badgers in touchdown receptions (seven) while ranking second in catches (51) and receiving yards (624). The best game of his career came in a 33-31 loss to Northwestern on Nov. 21, when he had six receptions for 98 yards and two TDs. A first-team All-Big Ten selection by the media and second-team All-Big Ten by the coaches, Graham is a very good athlete who played tight end, defensive end, punter and kicker in high school. He caught one pass for 10 yards at the Senior Bowl and performed well at the NFL combine, ranking sixth among tight ends in the vertical jump, eighth in the bench press and fourth in the 20-yard shuttle. Graham is tough and durable, playing through several injuries in college while still maintaining a high level of play against top-notch competition in the Big Ten. Although a willing blocker who never shies away from bigger defenders, he lacks the size to blow opponents off the line and will need to get stronger. A strong final year at Wisconsin and good performances in the postseason workouts have helped Graham move up many draft boards, and he could go as high as the fourth or fifth round.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71452&page=10
 

NitroGSXR

Super Sic #58
Yeah, some definite changes are coming.

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to keep Hill and let Dreesen go. 98% of fans here would be shocked, but I have seen them do cute things like that before. You just never know.

OD ought to be OK and back to almost his old self, so I don't think he's going anywhere THIS year. That's one TE.

Casey isn't going anywhere either. That's the second TE.

Dreesen and Hill are my likely candidates for a cut, leaving one as the third TE.

The newly-drafted guy will be on the practice squad as an emergency backup.

The newly-acquired free agent will work his ass off during camp, and can only remain if one or two guys go down to injury or some other development removes a TE or two from the roster.
3 ACL reconstructive surgeries has a way of taking it's toll on someone. Surgery blows. I firmly believe Owen Daniels will never be his old self again. I bet he ends up on IR to make room for Graham at some point. Hill? We'll stash him if he can't come out. He's a devastating blocker.

I really like this pick. I also bet we do take another TE and trade James Casey. He disappointed last season. This front office is tough to figure out but you've got to bank on them and their TEs. They love 'em and frankly so do I.
 
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