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Dolphins | Ross not limiting Parcells' spending
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Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:02:07 -0700

Tim Graham, of ESPN.com, reports Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said he does not get involved in even the biggest decisions about his cash with the organization. Ross said, "I'm putting my money with (vice president of football operations) Bill Parcells and our organization. Nobody bats 1.000. I just look at the bottom line and end results and where we are and what we're spending. The results are in the won-loss record." Ross added, "I don't try to micromanage him. You can't look at every dollar you spend. One thing I found out: Sports is different than business. From a businessman, when it comes to what you do for paying players, you have to have a little different discipline than you'd otherwise have."



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Bob wouldn't even pony up the money to pay Parcells much less give him the money that Parcells wants to spend on players. Not a good analogy.

When you hire Parcells, you have to realize that he is smarter than you and that he is going to want to get who he wants and he doesn't want to get nickel and dimed like Bob has a tendency to do.

Rest assured, if Parcells had a hole at CB and RB and had been forced to get rid of a $10-12 million dollar contract (Dunta), he wouldn't be sitting on his hands and ignoring the problems like our current management is. He would address the issues at least temporarily, and then go into the draft without so many damn needs.

It sounds like the new Miami ownership group gets it...maybe one day Bob will.

but good luck with Reeves as your #1 CB, McNair. Thats gonna work out real well.
 
Hey, another post about Bob and money. To my surprise, the resident knee-jerk GM is the first to respond. How quaint
 
truth hurts. reeves is our #1 db. you can't spin that and its that way because we wouldn't pay the money to either keep Dunta or lure another player away.

if you want to spin that and act like everything is fine, that is your prerogative.

if you want to blame Smith for not replacing Dunta, fine. if you want to blame Kubiak for not replacing Dunta, fine. I just happen to blame Bob for not replacing him because it was a $$ decision.

but Bob can put that $12 million into his pocket and not put it back into the team...I am sure that will improve the team.

you can act like I am a jerk about Bob, but I am just telling the truth. The Texans didn't improve this offseason. They got worse. How is that good?

Yeah, we might help ourselves in the draft but we had enough holes going into this offseason than to have ourselves create another one by releasing Dunta and not paying the Dunta money to someone else to replace him. now we have ANOTHER hole to fill in the draft.

How is that good? Oh thats right, Bob brough football back to Houston as charity so he gets a pass. After all, he has only made about a $500 million return on his investment so far. He needs to watch his bottom line...while watch the team bottom out...again.

This smells like the 7-9 offseason that lead to the 2-14 season. Don't say I didn't warn ya.
 
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its kinda funny that you can't defend Bob's actions so you just try and act like I am going off the deep end on this.

let me repeat TB, Reeves is now our #1 CB. the draft isn't going to change that. scrapheap free agency isn't going to change that. but we only have Peyton Manning in our division, we don't need a corner. After all, we already drafted Mario to beat Peyton and we all know how well that has worked out for us....

but dunta wrote on his shoes and he held out of camp, so losing him is good even though he wasn't replaced.

yeah, thats some winning logic there. sometimes the truth hurts, bill....but blaming me for hitting the wakeup call isn't going to not make Reeves our #1 CB.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
truth hurts. reeves is our #1 db. you can't spin that and its that way because we wouldn't pay the money to either keep Dunta or lure another player away.

if you want to spin that and act like everything is fine, that is your prerogative.

if you want to blame Smith for not replacing Dunta, fine. if you want to blame Kubiak for not replacing Dunta, fine. I just happen to blame Bob for not replacing him because it was a $$ decision.

but Bob can put that $12 million into his pocket and not put it back into the team...I am sure that will improve the team.

you can act like I am a jerk about Bob, but I am just telling the truth. The Texans didn't improve this offseason. They got worse. How is that good?

Yeah, we might help ourselves in the draft but we had enough holes going into this offseason than to have ourselves create another one by releasing Dunta and not paying the Dunta money to someone else to replace him. now we have ANOTHER hole to fill in the draft.

How is that good? Oh thats right, Bob brough football back to Houston as charity so he gets a pass. After all, he has only made about a $500 million return on his investment so far. He needs to watch his bottom line...while watch the team bottom out...again.

This smells like the 7-9 offseason that lead to the 2-14 season. Don't say I didn't warn ya.
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As chelsea handler would say"Why you so angry girl?"
 
BIG TORO said:
As chelsea handler would say"Why you so angry girl?"
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because the Texans didn't improve this offseason in FA and in fact, got worse.

but Bob is a ggggrrrreeeeaaaatttt owner.....yeah right. oh and when you don't have football in 2011 you can thank Bob for that too. he is the hardliner of the hardline owners in these labor non-talks.

*rolls eyes*
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its kinda funny that you can't defend Bob's actions so you just try and act like I am going off the deep end on this.

let me repeat TB, Reeves is now our #1 CB. the draft isn't going to change that. scrapheap free agency isn't going to change that. but we only have Peyton Manning in our division, we don't need a corner. After all, we already drafted Mario to beat Peyton and we all know how well that has worked out for us....

but dunta wrote on his shoes and he held out of camp, so losing him is good even though he wasn't replaced.

yeah, thats some winning logic there. sometimes the truth hurts, bill....but blaming me for hitting the wakeup call isn't going to not make Reeves our #1 CB.
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Let me just ask for the sake of asking: a) Was Dunta worth 12 million and b) Would you feel great about going into next year with Dunta as our number 1 corner?

If the answer is yes to both, then fine, complain. But personally, I don't think he was worth the 12 million, and I think he was an average number 1 corner last year.
 
Dunta has had more than his share of chances to contribute to wins against Peyton Manning. Maybe now it will make it harder for Peyton Manning on 3rd and 13 since he won't have the reliable "throw it up in the air and get a Pass Interference courtesy of Dunta play"
 
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Yeah, bob doesn't spend money. Also, the moon is made of cheese and elvis is still alive.
 
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Second Honeymoon said:
its kinda funny that you can't defend Bob's actions so you just try and act like I am going off the deep end on this.

let me repeat TB, Reeves is now our #1 CB. the draft isn't going to change that. scrapheap free agency isn't going to change that. but we only have Peyton Manning in our division, we don't need a corner. After all, we already drafted Mario to beat Peyton and we all know how well that has worked out for us....

but dunta wrote on his shoes and he held out of camp, so losing him is good even though he wasn't replaced.

yeah, thats some winning logic there. sometimes the truth hurts, bill....but blaming me for hitting the wakeup call isn't going to not make Reeves our #1 CB.
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Dude, seriously you're a broken record. You think Bob is cheap because he didn't waste $12 mill on an average cornerback. You think he's cheap because he hasn't thrown ridiculous money into free agency...

News flash Mr. Braniac, what does it say to you when an average (at best) cornerback is the biggest free agent on the market?? What it says is that this season's crop of free agents SUCK!!!

Don't even bother replying, because I (and everyone else who's been a member for more than a week) already know what your :blah: :blah: response will be.

For the record, I will take my chances with Petey Reeves and Petey Quinn over paying that douche.bag $12 mill. Dude, can't cover, misses tackles and makes no plays. How many picks does cat have? 13 in 7 seasons.... Oh yeah, 6 of those came his rookie season. Phillip Buchanon thinks Dunta sucks.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
because the Texans didn't improve this offseason in FA and in fact, got worse.

but Bob is a ggggrrrreeeeaaaatttt owner.....yeah right. oh and when you don't have football in 2011 you can thank Bob for that too. he is the hardliner of the hardline owners in these labor non-talks.

*rolls eyes*
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There were next to no free agents on the market that would improve our secondary for a decent price. Over-paying people is how you set your team up for failure for years to come. It is quite possible that our team didn't improve this year, and that we will once again be sitting just outside of playoffs, but I would rather have that then to have D-Rob locked down with a huge contract.

Patience, smart spending and good scouting are what makes a good franchise, not paying free agents large sums of money.
 
buddyboy said:
Let me just ask for the sake of asking: a) Was Dunta worth 12 million and b) Would you feel great about going into next year with Dunta as our number 1 corner?

If the answer is yes to both, then fine, complain. But personally, I don't think he was worth the 12 million, and I think he was an average number 1 corner last year.
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in an uncapped year with no strings attached or long term guarantees, Dunta would be worth $12 million to keep him....especially if you aren't going to put the $12 you saved back into the club.

i don't care how much a player makes for the most part, i just care if the team is improving. this move may have made Bob more profit, but it didn't improve the product on the field. and yes I would feel MUCH better with Dunta as our #1 as opposed to moving everyoen up the depth chart. If our secondary was so bad last year, how is it going to get better by dropping our best corner? magic?

trust me, i get what you are saying about him not playing up to his contract, but that stuff happens. you gotta pay to play and this team's secondary is in shambles now more than it was before. just paying him the money to keep him for one year wouldn't have hurt at all, and we could have had less holes going into the draft. how is that stinkin' thinkin'?
 
problem is SH you pay Dunta 12 million, how much do you think a real shut down corner is going to cost?
 
Texan_Bill said:
Dude, seriously you're a broken record. You think Bob is cheap because he didn't waste $12 mill on an average cornerback. You think he's cheap because he hasn't thrown ridiculous money into free agency...

News flash Mr. Braniac, what does it say to you when an average (at best) cornerback is the biggest free agent on the market?? What it says is that this season's crop of free agents SUCK!!!

Don't even bother replying, because I (and everyone else who's been a member for more than a week) already know what your :blah: :blah: response will be.

For the record, I will take my chances with Petey Reeves and Petey Quinn over paying that douche.bag $12 mill. Dude, can't cover, misses tackles and makes no plays. How many picks does cat have? 13 in 7 seasons.... Oh yeah, 6 of those came his rookie season. Phillip Buchanon thinks Dunta sucks.
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whatever man, we know your peepee hurts because I am calling Bob out for being cheap and not retaining our best corner. its obvious that with a lot of you its personal regarding Dunta. I get that, but keep homering for your charity boy Bob. He just gave you 9-7. start the parade. and after all he donated $700 million to bring football back...oh wait he didn't donate it...and oh wait, now the team is worth nearly 1.2 billion. That is only $500 million increase in 7 years...if that is charity, I want some of that stuff.

yeah but Dunta sucks....too bad the rest of the NFL (i.e. people smarter than you) don't agree with you.
 
for the record, I want to see the sum of the parts before I blast Bob.

Demeco still needs a contract and frankly Pollard was A LOT more valuable to that secondary than Dunta is or ever was)
 
TexCanada said:
There were next to no free agents on the market that would improve our secondary for a decent price. Over-paying people is how you set your team up for failure for years to come. It is quite possible that our team didn't improve this year, and that we will once again be sitting just outside of playoffs, but I would rather have that then to have D-Rob locked down with a huge contract.

Patience, smart spending and good scouting are what makes a good franchise, not paying free agents large sums of money.
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I didn't want to lock up Dunta to a longterm deal. We held the cards and could have had him for another year with no strings attached.

how does that screw us in the long term? how does that affect the salary cap? newsflash, no cap in 2010....but in order to maximize profit the Texans are acting as if there is a cap in place.
 
Why do you think that the secondary will not be addressed? There is still a lot of time in FA and some decent RFA out there. It is a month before the draft. I think it will be addressed in the draft and also in FA, probably after the draft. Unless there is a RFA out there they really want. Your gloom & doom must be very satisfying to you, but it has no basis in fact. Just your opinion, which is like everyone's else.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
truth hurts. reeves is our #1 db. you can't spin that and its that way because we wouldn't pay the money to either keep Dunta or lure another player away.

if you want to spin that and act like everything is fine, that is your prerogative.

if you want to blame Smith for not replacing Dunta, fine. if you want to blame Kubiak for not replacing Dunta, fine. I just happen to blame Bob for not replacing him because it was a $$ decision.

but Bob can put that $12 million into his pocket and not put it back into the team...I am sure that will improve the team.

you can act like I am a jerk about Bob, but I am just telling the truth. The Texans didn't improve this offseason. They got worse. How is that good?

Yeah, we might help ourselves in the draft but we had enough holes going into this offseason than to have ourselves create another one by releasing Dunta and not paying the Dunta money to someone else to replace him. now we have ANOTHER hole to fill in the draft.

How is that good? Oh thats right, Bob brough football back to Houston as charity so he gets a pass. After all, he has only made about a $500 million return on his investment so far. He needs to watch his bottom line...while watch the team bottom out...again.

This smells like the 7-9 offseason that lead to the 2-14 season. Don't say I didn't warn ya.
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First off, I'm not spinning diddly. I never said everything's fine, nor did I say I'm happy with our DB situation. Do not try to put words in peoples mouths while regurgitating your never-ending McNair rant.

I could care less how you feel about Bob, dude. I'm just one of the few hundred that are sick and tired of reading your posts about your thoughts on him. We know, brah, you think he's cheap.

In the end, you haven't a clue what goes on within the organization. Nor do the rest of us
 
Second Honeymoon said:
make another avatar about Mario...if you want to talk about overpaid just look Mario's way....

...but he was drafted to beat Peyton and the Colts...thats worked out real well for us.
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First bob is cheap, then you talk about actual contributors being "overpaid" while simultaneously talking about throwing 12 million dollars twoards a washed-up corner. You are the epitome of skip bayless trying to get a reaction, goodbye.

EDIT: To further add to this, you are basically just spinning your wheels trying to bash the owner of the Texans in just about every thread on the first page of this forum. You are resorting to playing the "I'm so persecuted blah blah blah, truth, blah blah blah" and it's tiring. I already know what you're going to post, so seeing this when you post:

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Is just as good. You are now in the same boat as wonderful poster Hersheybar and 2blu4u. Way to go, and I'll see you when the season starts and you've already lost your mind and come back to reality.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
but good luck with Reeves as your #1 CB, McNair.
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Second Honeymoon said:
reeves is our #1 db.
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Second Honeymoon said:
let me repeat TB, Reeves is now our #1 CB.

sometimes the truth hurts, bill....but blaming me for hitting the wakeup call isn't going to not make Reeves our #1 CB.
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I'm not going to get into the way McNair is running the team or how "cheap" he is. You're not getting a response to it because that arguement has been hashed out extensively and pretty much squashed with the Texans being the #3 team in payroll last year.

But I do want to comment to the above comments of yours that I quoted.
Reeves isn't our #1 CB.... Glover Quin is. :heh:
 
Second Honeymoon said:
whatever man, we know your peepee hurts because I am calling Bob out for being cheap and not retaining our best corner. its obvious that with a lot of you its personal regarding Dunta. I get that, but keep homering for your charity boy Bob. He just gave you 9-7. start the parade. and after all he donated $700 million to bring football back...oh wait he didn't donate it...and oh wait, now the team is worth nearly 1.2 billion. That is only $500 million increase in 7 years...if that is charity, I want some of that stuff.

yeah but Dunta sucks....too bad the rest of the NFL (i.e. people smarter than you) don't agree with you.
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Are you intentionally obtuse?

You once stated that you were "highly educated". Apparently business was not your major. Businesses typically operate within a budget. If businesses go on wild spending sprees, they typically fail. Business 101.

News flash: OUR (former) BEST CORNER IS AVERAGE AT BEST. HE'S NOT WORTH $12, 10, HELL, EVEN $ 5 MILLION PER YEAR. Of course some dumbass team like Atlanta would overpay for him. Teams typically do overpay for DB's. But I don't care about the Falcons and I certainly don't care that Drew Brees got a chubby the second the Falcons signed Robinson.

SPENDING MONEY FOR THE SAKE OF SPENDING MONEY IS CRAZY STUPID irrespective of next year's cap situation. Again, see Business 101 above.
 
Dunta was best when he had Aaron Glenn across from him and then on 3rd down the Texans were able to move Dunta into the slot and do different things with him like corner blitzes


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Ole Miss Texan said:
I'm not going to get into the way McNair is running the team or how "cheap" he is. You're not getting a response to it because that arguement has been hashed out extensively and pretty much squashed with the Texans being the #3 team in payroll last year.

But I do want to comment to the above comments of yours that I quoted.
Reeves isn't our #1 CB.... Glover Quin is. :heh:
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they paid for dunta last year
not being cheap and trying to improMM
they didn't pay for dunta this year
being cheap and not trying to improve

I am talking about this year...last year they paid dunta big and added smith
good offseason but not this year..just sayin

IMHO I feel they are being too complacent
 
how is that cheap, every team does that, when a player is getting paid more than he is worth.. unfortunately he has to be let go.. another team (as we have seen the Texans do) overpay for a player (like the falcons are doing) because they just need someone


12 million for a player that hasn't been in a probowl ...is not being cheap it is being desperate

yes the Texans paid Dunta so they can see what he had left in the tank after a horrific injury..hell the Texans paid Carr to see what Gary could do for him also
 
El Tejano said:
Dolphins | Ross not limiting Parcells' spending
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Tim Graham, of ESPN.com, reports Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said he does not get involved in even the biggest decisions about his cash with the organization. Ross said, "I'm putting my money with (vice president of football operations) Bill Parcells and our organization. Nobody bats 1.000. I just look at the bottom line and end results and where we are and what we're spending. The results are in the won-loss record." Ross added, "I don't try to micromanage him. You can't look at every dollar you spend. One thing I found out: Sports is different than business. From a businessman, when it comes to what you do for paying players, you have to have a little different discipline than you'd otherwise have."



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FWIW, in talking to members of the coaching staff, they have told me that Bob McNair gives them pretty much all the resources they ask for on the football side of things. They say he is a generous owner who doesn't meddle, who wants football people running football things--McNair wants to know whats going on, but wants NFL folks running the show..

Though they have an internal budget (which they've talked about publicly, and a lot of teams have talked about--poor talk is what most teams are doing with the labor negotiations going on), McNair is not a cheapass owner no matter what people want to say about it.

They've made long term offers to players, ones that were rejected. There are a lot of teams that are not extending deals past the possible lockout date. To make judgments based on weird CBA times, is weird.
 
El Tejano said:
Dunta has had more than his share of chances to contribute to wins against Peyton Manning. Maybe now it will make it harder for Peyton Manning on 3rd and 13 since he won't have the reliable "throw it up in the air and get a Pass Interference courtesy of Dunta play"
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THIS!!!

We got better wen Dumbta left. If I had Bill Gate's money I wouldn't have given Robinson the money Atlanta gave him. **** I wouldn't have given him half of that. Petey was a better value.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
its kinda funny that you can't defend Bob's actions so you just try and act like I am going off the deep end on this.

let me repeat TB, Reeves is now our #1 CB. the draft isn't going to change that. scrapheap free agency isn't going to change that. but we only have Peyton Manning in our division, we don't need a corner. After all, we already drafted Mario to beat Peyton and we all know how well that has worked out for us....

but dunta wrote on his shoes and he held out of camp, so losing him is good even though he wasn't replaced.

yeah, thats some winning logic there. sometimes the truth hurts, bill....but blaming me for hitting the wakeup call isn't going to not make Reeves our #1 CB.
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Though I'm glad Dunta's little overrated ass is out of here, I am a little unhappy that we have acted like the strike has already started. Go out and grab Sharper. Or at least extend Demeco. Do something thats not Wade Smith. Glad we resigned Walter, but do something. I guess I kinda see it, since I don't think we have all that many holes, but ****.
 
dtran04 said:
So who is Bill Parcells blowing all of this money on? You mean he decided to be cheap and pass on Julius Peppers? Man he sucks. :)
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They signed Karlos Dansby from Arizona and Joey Porter went to Arizona. So far that has been their only significant move.
 
In response to SH - I don't necessarily agree that the TEXANS got worse. I certainly agree that our DB situation is worse, but we're also getting back OD, and we've picked up another O-lineman.

I'm not sure McNair is to blame for our non-signings as much as Smith is responsible for setting the offer. Was I mad that we didn't get Bodden? You bet, but I blame the Texans organization (as a whole) for that, as I can't determine who caused us to lowball him.
 
disaacks3 said:
In response to SH - I don't necessarily agree that the TEXANS got worse. I certainly agree that our DB situation is worse, but we're also getting back OD, and we've picked up another O-lineman.

I'm not sure McNair is to blame for our non-signings as much as Smith is responsible for setting the offer. Was I mad that we didn't get Bodden? You bet, but I blame the Texans organization (as a whole) for that, as I can't determine who caused us to lowball him.
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And who's to say we low-balled him? From what I gather, he took our offer back to the Pats to match. We don't really know what happened. Which is my entire point to 'Knee-jerk GM'. He hasn't a clue of the going-on's inside the organization, so why act like he knows and states it as fact? Hence the nickname 'Knee-jerk GM'
 
The Texans have gotten worse this offseason that's a fact. But its's early in the offseason. I will make my judgement when I see the roster in TC.

SH you're right about McNair being one of the most hardliners of the hardliners. If there's no football in 2011 you can bet McNair had a big hand in that.

McNair is a businessman who happens to own a football team. Business will always come 1st. I've come to accept that and you should too. Either that or find another team to root for.

It is what it is. You shouldn't worry yourself over things like this. Life is to short for things like that. Even though I agree with alot of what you say.

If McNair is giving Smithiak free rein as some have suggested, then they have done a pi** poor job of using their resources. IMHO
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans have gotten worse this offseason that's a fact. But its's early in the offseason. I will make my judgement when I see the roster in TC.

SH you're right about McNair being one of the most hardliners of the hardliners. If there's no football in 2011 you can bet McNair had a big hand in that.

McNair is a businessman who happens to own a football team. Business will always come 1st. I've come to accept that and you should too. Either that or find another team to root for.

It is what it is. You shouldn't worry yourself over things like this. Life is to short for things like that. Even though I agree with alot of what you say.

If McNair is giving Smithiak free rein as some have suggested, then they have done a pi** poor job of using their resources. IMHO
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Not unlike 30 other team's owners. The 31st team is owned by shareholders formulating a corporation that's run by a board of directors. Point being, it's all business.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans have gotten worse this offseason that's a fact. But its's early in the offseason. I will make my judgement when I see the roster in TC.

SH you're right about McNair being one of the most hardliners of the hardliners. If there's no football in 2011 you can bet McNair had a big hand in that.

McNair is a businessman who happens to own a football team. Business will always come 1st. I've come to accept that and you should too. Either that or find another team to root for.

It is what it is. You shouldn't worry yourself over things like this. Life is to short for things like that. Even though I agree with alot of what you say.

If McNair is giving Smithiak free rein as some have suggested, then they have done a pi** poor job of using their resources. IMHO
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See, I count myself as being someone who thinks Bob definitely has a bigger role in the decisions than what is being portrayed.

He is a good businessman. Those types of guys are always going to have their hand into things.

Yeah, other businessman owners (which describes all NFL team owners) are trying to turn a profit. Duh. But some are a bit more dedicated to the business side, IMO. I count McNair as being one who trends toward making sure he gets his, pulling out all the stops to make sure that his team is one of the most "profitable." Profits = Quality in his mind.

Then we see reallllllllly bad, emotionally-invested decision-making with Carr and Dunta. Those two contracts have GOT to be solely upon the check-writing hand of Bob McNair. He's doling out the superstar money, trying to reward those players whom he thinks were "faces of the franchise." Because I don't see Smithiak offering THAT sort of one-year deal to those two guys. I just don't see it. I think they would be more along the lines of "Oh yeah? Get real."

I mean, none of us are truly on the inside of this team's front office and the way things are done. They are very quiet. No leaking of vital information. They have a rough relationship with the local media. All that's left is rumors and speculation.

So I speculate that McNair is not the "hobby owner" that's been crafted for him. He and his guys have done an excellent job of painting him as this quiet, unassuming man who is loyal and stays out of the way.

I don't buy it.
 
Fine, dont franchise Dunta, or get any high priced free agents.

But for the love of God lock up Demeco Ryans!
 
Super Mario said:
Fine, dont franchise Dunta, or get any high priced free agents.

But for the love of God lock up Demeco Ryans!
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Which is what begs the question: If McNair isn't "cheap," then why hasn't he rewarded at least DeMeco Ryans?

I understand the OD situation. Ryans should have had his deal done. Yesterday.

I don't care about 2011. If McNair dishes out the cash for David Freaking Carr or Dunta Fracking Robinson, why-oh-why would you not do a new deal for a guy who made your defense BETTER?!?! And consistently better, I might add. You know which defensive player actually made the defense consistently better, and which one made what I can only describe as a "marginal" improvement to the defense. It's simple.

So this is puzzling. It's maddening.

He tosses out bags of money to goons, but is tight-fisted with a couple of guys who arguably are a big reason the team has done so well. You guys all know who the two "goons" are, and you all know who the two "deserving" players are. It's simple. So it seems, at least.

It's almost as if you are taught that excelling on the Texans is not going to be rewarded. Reward, to McNair, is a subjective thing. A subjective thing that we typically use when we talk about the quirky decision-making of guys like Al Davis.
 
GP said:
Which is what begs the question: If McNair isn't "cheap," then why hasn't he rewarded at least DeMeco Ryans?

I understand the OD situation. Ryans should have had his deal done. Yesterday.

I don't care about 2011. If McNair dishes out the cash for David Freaking Carr or Dunta Fracking Robinson, why-oh-why would you not do a new deal for a guy who made your defense BETTER?!?! And consistently better, I might add. You know which defensive player actually made the defense consistently better, and which one made what I can only describe as a "marginal" improvement to the defense. It's simple.

So this is puzzling. It's maddening.

He tosses out bags of money to goons, but is tight-fisted with a couple of guys who arguably are a big reason the team has done so well. You guys all know who the two "goons" are, and you all know who the two "deserving" players are. It's simple. So it seems, at least.

It's almost as if you are taught that excelling on the Texans is not going to be rewarded. Reward, to McNair, is a subjective thing. A subjective thing that we typically use when we talk about the quirky decision-making of guys like Al Davis.
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It is not easy structuring contracts around the lockout situation. This is not a situation that is unique to the Texans.

The Texans have signed contracts with existing players who have performed well for them, but contracts have to work for both parties and want to be signed by both. Eric Winston is smart because he worked out a contract extension early--he was in the same situation that OD and Ryans were in, but he and the Texans worked out mutually agreeable terms early. Texans get a player, he gets stability.

In other words, pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered. If a player is holding out for every dime even though they have no leverage, then they assume the risk that a contract won't get done or that they will get injured. We do not know what the terms of the deals offered to Ryans and OD were. They didn't like them, they didn't sign them. To put all of this on the Texans for being cheap is absurd--you can reward players without throwing silly money at them.

The labor uncertainty makes difficult contract negotiations more difficult.
 
Super Mario said:
Fine, dont franchise Dunta, or get any high priced free agents.

But for the love of God lock up Demeco Ryans!
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Now this I can definitely agree with, dadgummit!!!

I think it'll get done eventually. They've already stated FA and the draft are what they're focused on now. Just get the darn thing done before the season, because we now know they don't usually negotiate contracts during the season.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
truth hurts. reeves is our #1 db. you can't spin that and its that way because we wouldn't pay the money to either keep Dunta or lure another player away.
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Paying top dollar for average talent is what got Casserly run out of town. And now you are preaching the same stuff. I say the smartest move they made was letting the over paid Robinson go. Atlanta is going to regret that signing just like the 49ers regret the signing of Nate Clements.

This team is to far away to put that kind of money into a player that is heading down and was a lighting rod of the fans scorn. Smith is building a solid young team and this season FA all suck, which is why you are not seeing a lot of big deals being signed. Stay with the plan of building through the draft...
 
GP said:
Which is what begs the question: If McNair isn't "cheap," then why hasn't he rewarded at least DeMeco Ryans?

I understand the OD situation. Ryans should have had his deal done. Yesterday.

I don't care about 2011. If McNair dishes out the cash for David Freaking Carr or Dunta Fracking Robinson, why-oh-why would you not do a new deal for a guy who made your defense BETTER?!?! And consistently better, I might add. You know which defensive player actually made the defense consistently better, and which one made what I can only describe as a "marginal" improvement to the defense. It's simple.

So this is puzzling. It's maddening.

He tosses out bags of money to goons, but is tight-fisted with a couple of guys who arguably are a big reason the team has done so well. You guys all know who the two "goons" are, and you all know who the two "deserving" players are. It's simple. So it seems, at least.

It's almost as if you are taught that excelling on the Texans is not going to be rewarded. Reward, to McNair, is a subjective thing. A subjective thing that we typically use when we talk about the quirky decision-making of guys like Al Davis.
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The Texans are promoting the ideas that nice guys finish last, and the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
 
If Smith would have re-signed Demeco already, it would have taken a lot of time away from looking at free agents. Who knows how much time has been spent discussing various player, entertaining Bodden, Smith, etc. If he would have re-signed Demeco, we'd be hearing "great job extenind Demeco but he's already on the team!!! We need free agents added to this team. Sign those guys first before other teams do then come back to Demeco this offseason once FA has cooled down!"
 
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