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Chris Meyers: The best C in the AFC South

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Pro Football Focus recently did an "all AFC South Team" and found Houston's very own to be -the best.





C Chris Myers If people could look past the highlight-reel plays he yielded to Kris Jenkins, they'd see Myers was the best part of the Texans' line and a very good run blocker
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So, I watched the film, at least the film of Mr. Meyers playing football for Houston. And um... well, I don't know what to say about this.

But...

They also found Demeco Ryans to be not the best.

Just thought you would like to know.
 
Saw this list the other day.... some of the picks strike me as "look how crazy I can be" ... I mean the left guard Ryan Lilja was released by the Colts
 
I think there is a Chris Myers on our team, not so sure about Meyers. Meyers must play on the same team as this Kevin Walters guy everyone talks about.
 
Wolf6151 said:
Some people make retarded lists just to be controversial.
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Wow.

This is all I have to say about Pro Football Fucus:

:facepalm:

Guys at PFF, just turn in your NFL Fan badge right now. And your one bullet that you keep in your shirt pocket.
 
What? Another list? I've seen enough lists. Everybody has a list. I gotta list. Ghey folks have a lisp. So what?

Not that there's anything wrong with lists.......


:spin:
 
I received this on my news feed this morning, and with Myers being listed as the best C, almost made me lose my chocolate milk. :spit:
 
this writer has obviously had a frontal lobe lobotomy recently

just the stupidest thing I have ever read.

and as for the Kris Jenkins highlight err lowlight, that isn't the only play where he was totally blown up and failed. myers has a highlight reel of getting thrown around like a rag doll...just a pathetic excuse for a center.

epic fail
 
Durant over D-Ryans is ludicrous. I might be a little biased due to D-Ryans being one of my faves, but I don't even think it should be close. Even their stats dictate Ryans was by far the better player.

Leach had a down year due to the poor running game, but I could still make an argument for him over Hall.

Meh, I don't even want to get started on the Myers issue.

I've never been to that particular website before and it appears I never will.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
this writer has obviously had a frontal lobe lobotomy recently

just the stupidest thing I have ever read.

and as for the Kris Jenkins highlight err lowlight, that isn't the only play where he was totally blown up and failed. myers has a highlight reel of getting thrown around like a rag doll...just a pathetic excuse for a center.

epic fail
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How about the one play when we're near the red zone, and it's a 4th down play IIRC, and Schaub gets the snap and drops back...and a blitzer comes free right down the pipe (past Myers, who tries to stick an arm out as he whizzes by) and Shcaub has to throw early. Interception. Game over.

When we watch that play back again, we see that Myers had slid over to his left, trying to set up a possible double-team on a guy...and a LB had come through on a delayed blitz. Myers never made the double-team tackle, and also fails to stop the blitzer.

In essence, he failed at two things. At the same time. And it caused a turnover.

There's lots of examples of this sort of thing. Other than our sketchy running back situation, the problem at Center is glaring. It's bad. I don't give a royal red crap about who is playing in place of Pitts, or if Duane Brown can handle his duties at LT. I worry about the Center. Every game. Because it's bad.
 
Oh great, and after Kubes reads this, I can already hear "he's our guy and we're glad we have 'the best' ", ....LOL someone post that gratuitous B**tch Slap footage against the Jets as a reminder! Please!
 
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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A.) Myers is a very good blocker at the second level. When he can get out there, he can be a very good contributor to the run game. Unfortunately, he's a very bad blocker at the first level, especially in pass protection.

B.) I was a Durant fan when he came out of school. He was a small school guy that not too many people had keyed on, and I thought he'd do well in the NFL. He has. He's not better than Demeco Ryans. You can insist upon the point if you want, and we'll accord your opinion the worth it deserves at that point.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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Well, I think where you failed (in my humble opinion) is the idea that taking the four centers of the four AFC South teams is a good way to line them up and say "This guy is the best of all four."

Maybe all four of them suck? How about them apples.

Saying Chris Myers was the best of the lot doesn't make me think he's a good center. There are many other centers in the league to grade him against. Judging him based upon the other three centers in the AFC South is not exactly a good sampling size, is it?

Are you a Brit? I see that you spelled "realize" with an "s" ("realise"). If so, are you in the U.K. or here in America?

You might want to cruise by the team message boards before compiling lists. I doubt I could write a proper evaluation on the Falcons, with the exception of the craptastic cornerback you guys just signed.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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No offense, but you are wrong on both players. As eriadoc said, Myers might be decent in space, but he's terrible at the point of attack and hardly ever has his man on the positive side of the LOS. He's pushed back on the negative side more times than not.

Durant made more plays than Ryans? Because he had a pick? That's crazy talk. Statistically, Ryans beat Durant in every catagory except the pick. Not only did Ryans have more tackles, but he had more than double the amount of TFL's. It's not even close dude, and frankly, doesn't speak much of your credibility.

How can you watch all the games of both teams when they both played all but 4-5 games at noon? Plus the fact that a majority of the Jags games were blacked out.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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It took some cast iron cojones to own up to that article here at TexansTalk... you'll be getting green rep from me for that.

You're wrong... wrong... horribly wrong.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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Ryans probably did make less plays than Durant, but look at Cushing's big plays and note what Ryans does. A big part of his season was setting up Cushing for big plays, apart from his own big plays.
 
Ryans was a beast last year. He easily had his best season. This article is pure fantasy and folly.
 
mexican_texan said:
Ryans probably did make less plays than Durant, but look at Cushing's big plays and note what Ryans does. A big part of his season was setting up Cushing for big plays, apart from his own big plays.
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That's my whole point. Save the lone int by Durant, Ryans made more plays. For LB's, by "plays" I mean FF, FR, TFL, PD and INT's. I look more towards TFL's and stuffs and it's not very close.

I agree with Porky, the article's a joke
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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I really respect you for stepping up to answer criticisms. I usuaaly do not rate Texans players against other teams because I really don't care how the others play. Unless of course they may come to us as a player. I often have to remind myself that Myers played last season without Pitt's bulk and being a veteran to help him. The position to his other side was filled by game day announcement often. We had no running back to take pressure off. More importantly, no one else including our 3rd round pick Caldwell took the job from Myers. Myers does not need to go, just go to guard. I had hoped JD Walton would resolve this spot but the new FA seems to be the "hope".
 
HOU-TEX said:
That's my whole point. Save the lone int by Durant, Ryans made more plays. For LB's, by "plays" I mean FF, FR, TFL, PD and INT's. I look more towards TFL's and stuffs and it's not very close.

I agree with Porky, the article's a joke
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Really? I thought this was a "down" year for Ryans stats-wise with Cushing and Diles stepping up, but I haven't really looked at the numbers.
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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Thanks for the commentary, and what you do. There are both advantages and disadvantages to being close to a situation when forming an opinion, so external commentary (even when it generates some negative feedback) is appreciated.
 
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mexican_texan said:
Really? I thought this was a "down" year for Ryans stats-wise with Cushing and Diles stepping up, but I haven't really looked at the numbers.
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Nah, 08 was a down year for him, but he was dominant throughout most of the 09 season. This past season was actually his best in tackles behind the LOS, which is a huge stat for front 7 players, IMO. I'm sure a lot had to do with Cush being next to him, but still very impressive.
 
GP said:
I cannot STAND that guy. I mean, do people like him (and McClain) have photos of people in positions of power in the media?

He's on my short list of sports-media-yacking-heads-I-can't-stand.
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While I think Bayless is a professional troll, I love Cowboy fans reaction to his. . . statements.
 
HOU-TEX said:
That's my whole point. Save the lone int by Durant, Ryans made more plays. For LB's, by "plays" I mean FF, FR, TFL, PD and INT's. I look more towards TFL's and stuffs and it's not very close.

I agree with Porky, the article's a joke
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Demeco also gets credit for being part of a consistently good defense the last half of the season, that Jags defense was either average or awful but never close to even good.
 
Chris has also costed us so many key pentiles in the red zone on false start and etc

he should rotate this year with that new center guy we just signed
 
Norg said:
Chris has also costed us so many key pentiles in the red zone on false start and etc

he should rotate this year with that new center guy we just signed
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Anyway we can verify stats on false starts? I would have thought that Winston or Studdard got more false starts. I'm heavily leaning towards Winston though. I realize yiu said redzone but false starts are false starts...
 
I know people probably won't like it, but here we go:

PFF numbers(Better performance in bold)
Percentage of plays the player made a tackle
DeMeco Ryans 8.8%
Justin Durant 10.7%

Percentage of plays the player had an assist
Ryans 1.4%
Durant 1.3%

Percentage of tackle attempts that were missed:
Ryans 10.6%
Durant 3.6%

Percentage of plays the player made a stop
Ryans 5.3%
Durant 5.8%

Percentage of tackles that resulted in a stop
Ryans 60.2%
Durant 54.3%

Percentage of rush attempts that resulted in a sack
Ryans 0.8%
Durant 1.45%

Percentage of rush attempts that resulted in a QB hit
Ryans 4.1%
Durant 1.4%

Percentage of rush attempts that resulted in a QB pressure
Ryans 4.9%
Durant 8.7%

Percentage of plays in coverage the player was thrown at
Ryans 10.9%
Durant 9.1%

Percentage of plays in coverage the player allowed a reception
Ryans 9.2%
Durant 7.7%

Yards allowed per play in coverage
Ryans 0.80
Durant 0.77
 
mexican_texan said:
Really? I thought this was a "down" year for Ryans stats-wise with Cushing and Diles stepping up, but I haven't really looked at the numbers.
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Thing is you could have lesser stats because other players are stepping up and playing better but that isn't a down year as in you didn't play as well.

Goatcheese said:
Percentage of tackle attempts that were missed:
Ryans 10.6%
Durant 3.6%
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I am really starting to doubt the accuracy of PFF. There is no way DeMeco missed almost 11% of the tackles he attempted.

And hmmm:

Percentage of plays the player made a stop
Ryans 5.3%
Durant 5.8%

Percentage of tackles that resulted in a stop
Ryans 60.2%
Durant 54.3%
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Now they list Ryans as having 1054 snaps to calculate this (and only use solos by the way despite saying tackles which is usually solos and assists combined). That's interesting since the Texans D only had 974 plays last season.
 
infantrycak said:
I am really starting to doubt the accuracy of PFF. There is no way DeMeco missed almost 11% of the tackles he attempted.

Now they list Ryans as having 1054 snaps to calculate this (and only use solos by the way despite saying tackles which is usually solos and assists combined). That's interesting since the Texans D only had 974 plays last season.
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This is all too weird, and it's exactly why a good chief editor makes all the difference.
 
Hervoyel said:
Pro Football Focus has worked its way onto my list of football sites I don't pay any attention to anymore.
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I can appreciate what they're trying to do but they took a massive swing with a thin bat. Big hole in their swing I'm with you. I find my news elsewhere.
 
bash all you want the Texans got unbelievable value when they aquired Chris Myers. pretty demanding job if you think about it. I appreciate all his efforts & feel he is the best Center in Houston Texans history, not his fault & the guys around him are not excatly all-pro either :deadhorse

BL
 
infantrycak said:
I am really starting to doubt the accuracy of PFF. There is no way DeMeco missed almost 11% of the tackles he attempted.
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I actually think he had one of his best years but also missed more tackles than I can remember him missing.

God, I've got one key 3rd down stuck in my brain, I can't place it. Jags maybe? Somebody coming across the middle and if #59 makes the tackle we either win or have a chance to win. He whiffs and player x just barely makes the first down along the sideline. Anybody know what I'm talking about? I believe Cushing misses the tackle along the sideline as well....
 
GP said:
I doubt I could write a proper evaluation on the Falcons, with the exception of the craptastic cornerback you guys just signed.
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:spit:

I had to run to the kitchen, brew some coffee, pour it in my cup, run back to my laptop....so I could spew it when I read that. Awesome. :-)
 
Kal said:
As the writer of the article (with consultation of some of the other guys) I feel able to address some of the criticisms.

On the weight of his play Myers got the nod - did he have bad plays? Yes he did, but over the course of the season he did more good things than bad compared to the other centers in the AFC South.

Meester had a terrible year, Mawae may be a great leader but he's past it, and while Saturday had a good year he was more patchy than Myers.

As for Ryans - I think he had a good year and would have made some other All Divisional Teams, but Durant was just a better player in my mind (I saw every game of both teams bar 1 or 2 in detail) who made consistently more plays. I realise I'll be in the minority for saying that on this board, but I'm completely objective, have no agenda (I'm a Falcons fan) and have no need to create a controversial list (it doesn't do anything).

Still, appreciate the criticism and thoughts - footballs a subjective game so I wouldn't expect everyone to think the same.
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Rep your way for having the 'nads to come here and face the criticism.

And BTW, what's with the FB assessment

Had a decent year but wins this award because of the lack of other options this division presents at fullback
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Take a longer look at Vonte Leach.
 
barrett said:
I actually think he had one of his best years but also missed more tackles than I can remember him missing.

God, I've got one key 3rd down stuck in my brain, I can't place it. Jags maybe? Somebody coming across the middle and if #59 makes the tackle we either win or have a chance to win. He whiffs and player x just barely makes the first down along the sideline. Anybody know what I'm talking about? I believe Cushing misses the tackle along the sideline as well....
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damnit! anybody? it's killing me!
 
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