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From the article linked above:
I think the author is correct that little seperates Carr & Leftwich fantasy wise. I'd rate both in the 10-15 area as far as QB ratings. As far as who will be the better QB on the field, I'll go with Carr. Based on "gut instinct".
Really? The Jags top 4 WRs last season combined for 170-2244-10. The top 4 Texan WRs (include Armstrong) totaled 176-2588-12. Both teams picked up project WRs in the draft (Matt Jones & Jerome Mathis). I can't see where Leftwich has more reliable receivers than does Carr. And I'm not even including Domanick Davis, who's more productive as a receiver than anyone the Jags bring out of the backfield.
I think the author is correct that little seperates Carr & Leftwich fantasy wise. I'd rate both in the 10-15 area as far as QB ratings. As far as who will be the better QB on the field, I'll go with Carr. Based on "gut instinct".
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Also Jerome Mathis isn't half the project that Matt Jones is, seeing how he actually played WR in colllege.
For the Texans receiving corps to improve, Jabar Gaffney will have to step up to be the kind of impact player he was in college. I believe he can, after all, he's only 24 after 3 seasons in the NFL. Plus, over half of his receiving yards last year came on 3rd down. Corey Bradford is as good as he ever will be, and is not #2 caliber. I think Andre Johnson will put up top-5 WR numbers this year and in the future, but he can't do it by himself.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Gaffney lead the Texans in YPC (yes, more than Andre Johnson), had the longest pass play from scrimmage last year, and Carr threw to Gaffney 21 times on third down in 2004 and completed each pass for a first down. Some of Gaffney's lack of production comes out of the fact that Carr isn't one of the better QB's at scanning the field and reading defenses and will look to his primary too long and just dump the ball off to Dom. If you really break down Carr's passes over the 4 years he has always had trouble identifying his mid-read options. His rookie year was all Bradford (first read) and Billy Miller (last read - safety valve at that time). Not much in the middle then either.
DreamCatcher
Noob
Carr is the QB i would go with out of the two.If he has the targets to throw to, he will hit them consistently.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
Carr is able to scramble for the occasional 10-yard run. Leftwhich is not able to do that as much. They both have made some nice TD passes. They both have thrown untimely int's and had fumbles. Leftwhich had an advantage in Fred Taylor as a RB, until he was hurt. Now I think DD is going to be better than anyone the Jags have at the moment to help draw attention from their respective QB's. I am not sure, but the Texans OL could not have gotten much worse in pass protection and we still swept the Jags. I would take Carr over Leftwhich.
"Houston has not shown the marked improvement one would like to see, even in an expansion team."
...bet this guy doesn't know most Texans fans will be happy with a one
game improvement this year to 8-8...but, he makes a good point about
our consistency and the last 9 games last year--oh,well, he'll just have
to join the many others for a 'crow' supper
...bet this guy doesn't know most Texans fans will be happy with a one
game improvement this year to 8-8...but, he makes a good point about
our consistency and the last 9 games last year--oh,well, he'll just have
to join the many others for a 'crow' supper
jagsfanincanada
Waterboy
Of course you will all take Carr, you are all Texans fans.
At least Leftwich can beat Manning.
At least Leftwich can beat Manning.
stephen1 said:
I know several of you have stats for 'everything' so how about letting
us no how many sacks were Carr's fault last year because--
1) runs out of bounds behind line of scrimage (counts as a sack in the
NFL) instead of throwing the ball away
2) holds on to the ball too long
3) weak at reading defense--looks primarily for 1st read and then check
valve
4) bales out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure
...thanks!
TopTexanFan16
Waterboy
tsip said:I know several of you have stats for 'everything' so how about letting
us no how many sacks were Carr's fault last year because--
1) runs out of bounds behind line of scrimage (counts as a sack in the
NFL) instead of throwing the ball away
2) holds on to the ball too long
3) weak at reading defense--looks primarily for 1st read and then check
valve
4) bales out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure
...thanks!
k so you'd rather him throw and INT instead of runnin out of bounds or throwing it away and possibly gettin a flag. or you'd rather him throw it away with the first sign of pressure than hold on to it and try to make somethin happen or here this is the best one you'd rather him sit in the pocket knowing what will happened which has happened 140 times before that the O-line wont hold up and get his head ripped off. i dunno but the pressure being in his face isnt his fault.....thax!
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
I honestly like both QB's equally. If I was starting a team and I had to choose b/w the two I'd simply close my eyes and throw a dart. I think both are higly competitive, and higly capable of being the franchise as they are proving to be. I'm a Texan fan all day but I'm not going to deny the future greatness of Leftwich. I just hope our TEAM is better than his.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
DocBar said:It is better to avoid the rush, pump fake then hit the open receiver for a td than thrown an INT or get sacked. Bret Favre does it all the time. LOL
And of course if the TD isn't there it's better to get outside the tackles and throw it into the third row before running out of bounds and hanging another sack on your line. They already do a good enough job of piling them up without help from the QB.
rittenhouserobz
Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
Sandwhich did not beat Payaton. This is a team sport. The wins and losses do not hang on a single person. I am sure if you reflect on that win you will see it was a team effort. Persoanlly I think your backup can be as good as leftwich at times.
Here are the stats for that game. Manning had a better day than your QB, but he lost. The Jags were just better that day.
stats
I am sorry if I am being a little rude, but I can't stand to see somebody say one QB beat another QB. :brickwall
Texas_Thrill
Veteran
Yes we all know its a team sport but let's be real here most victories are always associated with the QB.
I mean someone will say Dan Marino has the best winning % of any qb not Anthony Munoz has the best winning % of any OL.
The qb's are the pretty boys and get all the credit (and all the blame.)
I mean someone will say Dan Marino has the best winning % of any qb not Anthony Munoz has the best winning % of any OL.
The qb's are the pretty boys and get all the credit (and all the blame.)
TexansTrueFan
All Pro
carr had a pretty solid season last year, of course he has room for improvment but he will only get better.
Jagsbch
Waterboy
Vinny said:
tsip said:I know several of you have stats for 'everything' so how about letting
us no how many sacks were Carr's fault last year because--
1) runs out of bounds behind line of scrimage (counts as a sack in the
NFL) instead of throwing the ball away
2) holds on to the ball too long
3) weak at reading defense--looks primarily for 1st read and then check
valve
4) bales out of the pocket at the first sign of pressure
...thanks!
The thing I like most about Byron is his composure in the pocket. His ability to hit more WR''s week in and week out than any QB in the league, reveals just how astute Byron is at scanning the field and being able to read coverages knowing how all of his WR's routes will unfold in the coverage, while simultaneouly being able to throw inbetween three defenders with pin point accuracy as well as some of the hottest velocity in the league. Last year Byron was surrounded by up and coming rookies, bang up trenches, ball and chain scheme and not to mention a concusion during the last Texan game... this year those rookies are looking to emerge. Jimmy said this is the best group of WR's this team has ever had.
Don't count Matt Jones out, oh and furthermore our defense is going to really go a long way in helping us gain the time of possession neccessary to rack up some decent stats this year. I go with Byron and not look back.
Wow, hard to believe Leftwich didn't make All Pro after that description. I'm still trying to determine how an astute, pinpoint accurate QB like Byron finished behind David Carr in completion % and yards/pass. If he's hitting more WR's than any QB in the league, week in and week out, wouldn't Leftwich have ranked higher than 18th in completion %?Jagsbch said:
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I had Leftwich in front of Carr before last year but when we played the Jags the contrast in the two QB's was stark and I think Carr has much more upside now. Bottom line is I think Leftwich will be another Bledsoe. Big, strong-armed guy who is easy to hit in the pocket and needs a great line because he can't move. Unlike guys like Dan Marino, Leftwich has a slower release and that hurts him as a pocket only type QB.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Lucky said:
Thank you, for a second there, I thought he was talking about Peyton Manning.
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
jagsfanincanada said:
yall's defense is better...at least yall can pass rush. overall, david owns byron