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Place Kickers
- Thread starter El Tejano
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mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Neil Rackers isn't any better. Neither is Jay Feely.
Feely: 30-36 this past year. Good for 83%. 82% for his career
Rackers: 16-17 this past year. Good for 94%. 78% for his career
Brown: 21-32 this past year. "Good" for 66%. 77% for his career.
Other FA kickers:
Billy Cundiff[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 6-6 in Cleveland. 100%. 12-17 in Baltimore. Good for 71%. 74% for his career.
Shayne Graham: 23-28 this past year. Good for 82%. 85% in his career. (Though has missed many post-season kicks or so it seems)
Shaun Suisham[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 18-21 in Washington. Good for 86%. 2-3 in Dallas. Good for 67%. 79% for his career.
Matt Stover: 9-11 this past year. Good for 82%. 84% in his career
Billy Cundiff[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 6-6 in Cleveland. 100%. 12-17 in Baltimore. Good for 71%. 74% for his career.
Shayne Graham: 23-28 this past year. Good for 82%. 85% in his career. (Though has missed many post-season kicks or so it seems)
Shaun Suisham[split time w/ 2 teams in 09]: 18-21 in Washington. Good for 86%. 2-3 in Dallas. Good for 67%. 79% for his career.
Matt Stover: 9-11 this past year. Good for 82%. 84% in his career
awtysst
Draft Guru
77% vs 78% careerwise is not significantly different. Is 82% and 77% that different? I don't know.
I think we need a new kicker but also a different philosophy on offense. Just becuase we are in position for a 48 yd fg should not mean we run stop trying to improve the fg attempt. Cutting a 48 to a 42 could significantly improve our place kicking.
hookinreds
Veteran
Kicker will be addressed either as the last pick in the draft, or bringing in undrafted free agent kickers. Don't think we'd sign a retred, they want $.
barrett
All Pro
Would love to see you guys break out the soap for a Kicker. I expect them to bring in plenty of competition. It doesn't have to be a name guy. Just a guy who performs better than K. Brown.
But I'm on the record as saying I 100% expect him to be back this year and kick well. And if he doesn't then I think you'll see them replace him.
But I'm on the record as saying I 100% expect him to be back this year and kick well. And if he doesn't then I think you'll see them replace him.
barrett said:
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. It's a Texans tradition to keep poor performers like Chris Palmer, David Carr, Richard Smith, etc. a year too long and be surprised that they didn't magically get better during the off-season.
They need to quit dandling those who are arguably costing the team wins, speed their decision process, and exercise a 100% comittmemt to winning.
This team just confounds me sometimes. Kris Brown legitimately cost us multiple games this year.
When you are on the line in a "Playoffs or bust" mode, and your KICKER loses more than 1 game in the last few minutes, you have a problem.
There are tons of guys who can kick a football. You have to show accountability. I want KB gone yesterday. If I was one of the other players, I would be furuious. They fumble the ball once and they're benched, but KB misses at point blank in his only job and he gets another year. Wtf??
When you are on the line in a "Playoffs or bust" mode, and your KICKER loses more than 1 game in the last few minutes, you have a problem.
There are tons of guys who can kick a football. You have to show accountability. I want KB gone yesterday. If I was one of the other players, I would be furuious. They fumble the ball once and they're benched, but KB misses at point blank in his only job and he gets another year. Wtf??
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
While true, unfortunately there aren't tons who can kick it accurately in a game situation.
I expect Brown to keep his job IF he has a good preseason, but I think even if he makes the team he will be on a VERY short leash.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
That's what I'm saying. I guess we aren't looking at FA kickers because we don't want to spend alot of money on PKs. However, I would consider it because our offense hasn't necessarily shown to be nails inside the 20s and we had quite a few bad second halves where our offense/coaching would sputter once we got inside the 40. Be nice to come away with some points.
SouthSideTexan
Glutton for Punishment
Maybe we could look at Morton Anderson or Tony Zendejas. Kickers have a long shelf life....... Right.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
cough ***Sebastian Janikowski*** cough
Its still a crap shoot until they are in the NFL pressure games. I don't know the answer....I just know its not a simple one.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
Its such a head game. You don't know if you getting a Brad Lidge or a Mitch Williams. Sometimes a successful player who seems to have lost it just needs a change of scenery.....sometimes not.
SOOOOO much optimism for this year to be sweating the @#*%ing kicker. I hate this.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I do too. Unfortunately, the kicker can mean the difference between a mediocre season and a Super Bowl. Where would the '01 Pats have been without Adam Vinatieri? That's an extreme example, but it's valid nonetheless. That was a team that managed to pull out some victories in the closing moments when it counted. With a team like the Texans, they need they can count on.
TD said:
The kicker contributed his fair share in keeping the Texans out of the play-offs last season, and he capped that season with two missed field goals AND a missed extra point in the "biggest game in Texans history".
Somebody within the Texans organization better be sweating the kicker too...if they truly are committed to excellence.
Care Bear McNair likes Kris Brown, and by golly, he's a niiiiice guy. This is reason enough to keep him on the roster.
Double Barrel said:
That's why I dusted off the word "dandling" in a previous post.
dandle:
1. to move (a baby, child, etc.) lightly up and down, as on one's knee or in one's arms. (www.dictionary.com)
"It's OK, Kris. Kicking is hard. Nobody else could make those kicks either."
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
That dude is not that good. Yes he made the big kick against Nebraska but he also barely made that one.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
Definitely needs to be addressed problem is, cept for the several that time and time again has called for Kris "Ian Howfield" Brown's head, is that there are too many unnecessary KB lovers out there that feel "this was an off year and he'll be back better, look what he's done in the past", and blah blah blah....they keep saying "oh he help us beat Indy many moons ago". Thing is, of the games he FAILED, we could have either won or had a shot to win.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
I fully expect KB back kicking for us next year. I truely hope he's gotten over the yips and goes back to being what he used to be.
SteveSlaton20
Rookie
it was enough to send texas to the ncg.
if he can kick a 46 yard fg to send a team to a championship, he'll be fine in the nfl.
but i expect KB to be back, but if he misses late kicks, then i want him out.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
IMO there is too much on the line for this franchise/Gary Kubiak this year. We need to make the playoffs. I say put that position up for grabs and have one of those competitions that's so good Kris Brown doesn't even want to give any pointers much less talk to some new kicker that comes in. Does anyone remember how one or two years ago we brought in a kicker to just be there in preseason and Kris was nails that season?
I'm not down for this "let's wait and see if he can get right" Prevention is always the best cure.
BullNation4Life
All Pro
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
this guy is better...
if he comes out this year, only a JR...
That's the dude I'm talking about. He kicked better than the UT kid in the Big 12 Championship game.
El Tejano said:
To me, the kicker situation is a microcosm of the Texans franchise and the decisions they've made in the past and will have to make in the future.
1) Make no mistake - Kris Brown is a good guy who also does a lot in the community.
2) The Texans have guaranteed money tied up in him.
3) He is not performing up to the level the team requires to reach its next level.
Will the Texans show a commitment to winning where everything else is secondary? To do that they must replace their underperforming kicker. They did not show that commitment last year when they went against the Patriots in the biggest "must win to make the playoffs" game in franchise history. They were fortunate to score enough points to beat that team easily; had they been in a close game the two missed field goals and missed extra point could have been devastating.
In the past, the Texans have taken a patient, "let's hope things get better next year" approach. They've done that with Carr, Palmer's offense, and Smith's defense among others. If they continue with this corporate culture, then Kris Brown will return with little or no competition.
One way or another, I think we will see evidence that either:
A) These are the same old Texans, who use some combination of good guy image, focus on guaranteed money, and lack of accountability to make decisions. They then count on baseless hope to sell the team as being on the cusp of being a contender.
B) The team, from the owner through the front office to the coaches have turned a corner in their attitude and approach and are truly committed to winning. This would raise expectations within both the player and fan communities.
This is why I think the kicker situation and upcoming decision is a big deal.
Its pretty apparent to me that hes flamed out. I think he missed 3-4 game winner/tying kicks last year. Thats bull#$%^. If your job is to kick, then you need to kick well. If not, hit the road Jack. I would hate for us to lose one more game due to kicking just because hes been an original member.
If he made one of those kicks to win the game, we wouldve been in the playoffs.
I dont want to go through that again this year.
eriadoc
Texan-American
In '04 he hit 70.8% of his kicks. He hit all 7 of his kicks from 29 and under, and only hit 58.8% of his kicks 30+ yards.
In '05 he hit 76.0% of his kicks. He hit all 9 of his kicks from 29 and under, and only 68% of his kicks 30+ yards.
In '06 he hit 76% of his kicks. He hit all 4 of his kicks from 29 and under, and hit 70% of his 30+ kicks (which is good for him).
To contrast, in '07 and '08, he had good years by any standard, and hit a combined 87.1%, while hitting 86.7% of kicks at 30+ yards.
For further perspective, see my sig.
Thats a ridiculous thing to say.
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
Are you saying because a FG made is a FG made? Well go back and look at KBs made FGs, alot of those are barely made. There are times when you can see a FG kicker start to fall apart even when he makes them. Early in the season, KB was barely making them wide right or wide left. As the season wore on he started missing wide left alot.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Dear Lord
MannyFresh
El Capitan
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I believe (I could be wrong) the person that responded to me was referring to why I said that kicker from UT was not that good. Pretty much saying that for me to discount him because he barely made a FG is ridiculous. I was just saying that you can't discount that, because it shows how the FG kicker will eventually suck in the clutch...just like Kris Brown started to.
I assume you were talking to me about how Kris Brown sympathizers would come out, and not saying I am a KB sympathizer. That I'm totally not.
MannyFresh
El Capitan
You are correct in that the sympathizers would be coming out...ready for a whole season next year of covering your eyes on every FG and PAT? I am if that clown starts.
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Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
this guy is better...
if he comes out this year, only a JR...
OOOOOOOooooooh Nooooooz... Not another Nebraska kicker!
