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THEFUTURE

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alright this isnt an immediate help for this year, but it is for next year... Randy McMichael, his contract runs out after this year, if the Dolphins don't wrap him up, i say we throw out whatever we can for him, i think he could be a solution to our problems, and we would be able to dump Billy Miller or Bruener or Joppru (i like him, but its up to CC). this guy is legit, and could be even better once he gets out of the hell that is miami
 
Hulk75 said:
I like it, the guy is good...........but we have to haver billy he is a great reciever for us.He just is bad at everything else.
Happy Birthday to my boy Keith!
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No way we keep Miller if in fact we would be able to get Randy McMichael. If this were to happen we should dump both Miller and Bruener, but keep Joppru. There is no way Joppru could go down for a 4th straight season. With Joppru and McMichael, that would be an outstanding combination, and if Joppru doesn't work out than we could drop him after that year is over because he would be an UFA.
 
There's a few problems with that. Randy hasn't threatened to hold out, and in fact I believe its been mentioned that he doesn't plan on missing any team activities this offseason in hopes that the Dolphins will pay him more along the lines of a TE of his caliber when its time to start contract negotiations. That indicates to me that he's pretty content in Miami. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see him in a Texans uniform, but its alot like the Bubba Franks thing. Both guys seem pretty happy with their current teams despite their contract. Only way I could see him even entertaining the idea is if the Texans through tons of cash his way (even more than the other NFL teams desperate for a TE). That's assuming Miami's front office some how makes a huge blunder and lets their #2 receiving threat walk which isn't likely.
 
texasguy346 said:
There's a few problems with that. Randy hasn't threatened to hold out, and in fact I believe its been mentioned that he doesn't plan on missing any team activities this offseason in hopes that the Dolphins will pay him more along the lines of a TE of his caliber when its time to start contract negotiations. That indicates to me that he's pretty content in Miami. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see him in a Texans uniform, but its alot like the Bubba Franks thing. Both guys seem pretty happy with their current teams despite their contract. Only way I could see him even entertaining the idea is if the Texans through tons of cash his way (even more than the other NFL teams desperate for a TE). That's assuming Miami's front office some how makes a huge blunder and lets their #2 receiving threat walk which isn't likely.
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yeah im just saying that if he does somehow make it to free agency, he would be a great asset, plus lets not forget who his agent is, drew rosenhaus... so if drew wants the money, the texans will probably spend more than any other team, to find a solution for one of their few holes
 
Hulk75 said:
I am really glad you don't run a francise. How many people thought that there was NO way Jop would hurt himself this year.
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Chances are that this deal would never go thru anyway, but one can only wish. Now if joppru was to go down again (what could be the chances of this actually happening) and we did have Randy McMichael, it still would be an upgrade over everybody that we have now anyway. Besides what would we gain in cap space with losing Miller and Bruener.
 
THEFUTURE said:
alright this isnt an immediate help for this year, but it is for next year... Randy McMichael, his contract runs out after this year, if the Dolphins don't wrap him up, i say we throw out whatever we can for him, i think he could be a solution to our problems, and we would be able to dump Billy Miller or Bruener or Joppru (i like him, but its up to CC). this guy is legit, and could be even better once he gets out of the hell that is miami
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I highly doubt the dolphins lets him go. He is young, I think only 26 and easily the best TE in the division. I would be very surprised is they let one of their key components on offense go. Especially with the QB situation they need all the help they can get.
 
THEFUTURE said:
yeah im just saying that if he does somehow make it to free agency, he would be a great asset, plus lets not forget who his agent is, drew rosenhaus... so if drew wants the money, the texans will probably spend more than any other team, to find a solution for one of their few holes
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It all depends. The Cardinals are set to have an UDFA TE starting for them this season. I would imagine that Green would definately pursue Randy pretty hard if he were to somehow come available. I just don't want to see CC throwing way too much cash at one player just because another team is jacking up the price. I really wouldn't expect him to do so either. Really just way to many 'what ifs' that surround this situation, and it's probably closer to a dream scenario than anything else.
 
Hulk75 said:
I am really glad you don't run a francise. How many people thought that there was NO way Jop would hurt himself this year.
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He's right though. Look Joppru doesn't cost that much at this point. He's "playing", for lack of better term since he hasn't actually played a down for the Texans, under his rookie contract. Joppru gets one more chance, no doubt about it. After that I think his spot is gone if he makes it four straight years.

I'd think simply out of morbid curiosity the Texans keep him around another year. They've already lost the majority of the money they're going to lose on him. What's left doesn't amount to much really. I myself am very curious to see if it's possible for someone to go through their entire rookie contract without being healthy for a single game. I hope it's not possible.
 
Understood... but it happened in mini-camp so is it a 12 month thing or is he going to be available for post season?

Additionally what is Miller’s and Bruener's contract status? When do they become UFA?

…I ask because I think our existing tight end position is really one-dimensional and I have no confidence that Miller is learning how to block under Bruener's tutelage or Bruener is getting better at catching the ball.
 
Most of his money is already paid via his signing bonus. His salary is not so much that you would need to cut him right now just to have someone else pick him up for next season.
 
at this point its worth more to keep him than cut him, we are already under the cap by a decent chunk, we dont need more cap room.
 
even though it's still hard to believe that it's three in a row for good 'ol joppy boy, imagine the chip on his shoulder if and when he gets healthy. if he's been working hard for three years to play pro ball, i definately see him fully recovering from the bum ACL. then that leads us to this time next year, where we find out if his spirit has been officially borken and he will only have amounted to a shell of his former potential...but let's hope for the former and not the latter. either way, we will only know if he's a texan.
 
Joppru may play next year and not be worth a darn. How many times have we seen a good player in college stink up the pros. And we are talking about one that hasn't played football for 3 years by the time he gets another shot and has never played an nfl down. I'm all for giving him another shot next year but I do think we need to sign a very good proven te. TE has been a weak link on the Texans since our beginning.
 
what about chad lewis? he is a free agent, the eagles don't seem interested, and carr could use a veteran that worked with a great pocket prescence QB in Don-nabb. then again, i don't think the texans want 6 TE's.
 
I think Chad Lewis also injured himself pretty good in the NFC championship game so he might be damaged goods.
 
He could help David's pocket prescence. Last time I saw him, it was on Sportscenter teaching chinese kids how to throw footballs. They looked like they could start for the bears...
 
CAbills said:
I highly doubt the dolphins lets him go. He is young, I think only 26 and easily the best TE in the division. I would be very surprised is they let one of their key components on offense go. Especially with the QB situation they need all the help they can get.
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We could always trade Ragone for him :)
 
texasguy346 said:
I'm pretty sure Lewis was considering retirement. I think it's doubtful that he'll play anywhere this season.
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Well, just like Bubba from the Bay, he seems only interested in rejoining his former team. Anyway, i think Rogane...err....Ragone should be traded this month, it doesn't seem his stock will be higher for a while. And I'd like to take this chance to remind everyone that Tony Gonzalez is entering a contract year.
 
cred said:
There is no way Joppru could go down for a 4th straight season.
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Don't say things like that! Joppru may read these boards and take your statement as some kind of bizarre challenge.
 
infantrycak said:
Gonzalez signed a 7 year contract with the Chiefs in 2002.
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He was on the Best Damn Sports Show period last night and one of the guys said that Tony Gonzalez was one of the best, but was being payed only 3 million a year. Tony said he was entering a contract year and hopefully will get more money.
 
Mike Vrabel? I hope that was a joke.

And it said ALL AROUND TE.....that should knock Sharpe down a few nothces and Ditka UP.

Did ya'll forget about Todd Heap? Keith Jackson from the Eagles back in the days? Ben Coates?

Gonzalez might be the best playing today and honestly at this point he's #2 on my list to A. Gates.

But that all time list ya'll put up was a joke.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Mike Vrabel? I hope that was a joke.

And it said ALL AROUND TE.....that should knock Sharpe down a few nothces and Ditka UP.

Did ya'll forget about Todd Heap? Keith Jackson from the Eagles back in the days? Ben Coates?

Gonzalez might be the best playing today and honestly at this point he's #2 on my list to A. Gates.

But that all time list ya'll put up was a joke.
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u just realized that? anyway, :dangit: Gates has had one, count it one, good year, and how many has Gonzo had? He is also the only Latino worth knowing in the NFL.
 
mexican_texan said:
u just realized that? anyway, :dangit: Gates has had one, count it one, good year, and how many has Gonzo had? He is also the only Latino worth knowing in the NFL.
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i agree gonzalez is better. gates was good last year but tony was even better, 102 catches! maybe not as many td's but he was the cheifs only threat and he still kept producing
 
Career wise yes Gonzales is better than Gates but like I said if we are going on who i'd take right now. I'd take Gates over Gonzo on youth.

There just aren't the all around TE's like their use to be. Now it seems like all of them "specialize" in catching or receiving like Fullbacks.
 
my original question was suppose to be top 5 current all around TEs. i also forgot the point i was intending to make. so anyway, who's the top 5 all around TEs currently?
 
oh, i remember my original point. notice how none of the top 5 current TEs were in the superbowl? we don't need a top TE to make it the big dance.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Career wise yes Gonzales is better than Gates but like I said if we are going on who i'd take right now. I'd take Gates over Gonzo on youth.

There just aren't the all around TE's like their use to be. Now it seems like all of them "specialize" in catching or receiving like Fullbacks.
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i would take gonzo right now. Gates is overrated. Their styles are similar, both being ex-basketball players and grabbing passes down like rebounds. Gates may be younger, which makes him less experienced. :brickwall
 
atxcoolguy said:
oh, i remember my original point. notice how none of the top 5 current TEs were in the superbowl? we don't need a top TE to make it the big dance.
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While the Texans may not need a top 5 TE to make it to the Super Bowl, they definitely need a lot more production from the TE spot. The Patriots and Eagles both get qood numbers from a variety of players at TE.

Patriots TE's
Graham - 30 catches, 364 yards, 7 TD's
Fauria - 16 catches, 195 yards, 2 TD's
Weaver - 8 catches, 93 yards, 0 TD's
Klecko - 3 catches, 18 yards, 0 TD's
Watson - 2 catches, 16 yards, 0 TD's
Vrabel - 2 catches, 3 yards, 2 TD's
Team Total - 61 catches, 689 yards, 11 TD's

Eagles TE's
Smith - 34 catches, 377 yards, 5 TD's
Lewis - 29 catches, 267 yards, 3 TD's
Bartrum - 5 catches, 45 yards, 1 TD
Team Total - 69 catches, 689 yards, 9 TD's

Houston TE's
Miller - 17 catches, 178 yards, 1 TD
Bruener - 4 catches, 52 yards, 0 TD's
Team Total - 21 catches, 230 yards, 1 TD
 
Here are the numbers for Houston TE's in the first 3 seasons.

2004
Miller - 17 catches, 178 yards, 1 TD
Bruener - 4 catches, 52 yards, 0 TD's
Team Total - 21 catches, 230 yards, 1 TD

2003
Miller - 40 catches, 355 yards, 3 TD's
Holloway - 8 catches, 84 yards, 0 TD's
Team Total - 48 catches, 439 yards, 3 TD's

2002
Miller - 51 catches, 615 yards, 3 TD's
Holloway - 7 catches, 73 yards, 0 TD's
Team Total - 58 catches, 688 yards, 3 TD's
 
the first season billy miller was david's security blanket. like DD is now. if we can get that kind of production this season from him without the receivers performance dropping off we should have a much better record.
 
BornOrange said:
While the Texans may not need a top 5 TE to make it to the Super Bowl, they definitely need a lot more production from the TE spot. The Patriots and Eagles both get qood numbers from a variety of players at TE.

Patriots TE's
Graham - 30 catches, 364 yards, 7 TD's
Fauria - 16 catches, 195 yards, 2 TD's
Weaver - 8 catches, 93 yards, 0 TD's
Klecko - 3 catches, 18 yards, 0 TD's
Watson - 2 catches, 16 yards, 0 TD's
Vrabel - 2 catches, 3 yards, 2 TD's
Team Total - 61 catches, 689 yards, 11 TD's

Eagles TE's
Smith - 34 catches, 377 yards, 5 TD's
Lewis - 29 catches, 267 yards, 3 TD's
Bartrum - 5 catches, 45 yards, 1 TD
Team Total - 69 catches, 689 yards, 9 TD's

Houston TE's
Miller - 17 catches, 178 yards, 1 TD
Bruener - 4 catches, 52 yards, 0 TD's
Team Total - 21 catches, 230 yards, 1 TD
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you do make a good point, we definitely need better production from the TE spot. i don't get to review games or anything like that, but is our problem from poor TE play or Carr not being able to get it to the TE? seems like DD gets alot of the catches that a TE would get on another team.
 
atxcoolguy said:
you do make a good point, we definitely need better production from the TE spot. i don't get to review games or anything like that, but is our problem from poor TE play or Carr not being able to get it to the TE? seems like DD gets alot of the catches that a TE would get on another team.
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the eagles threw a lot to westbrook and still had tight end production, but they have a pass oriented offense whereas ours is a clock eating run scheme so the limited run attempts may be why they had all the receiving production.
 
We use our TE much more like Pittsburgh has used theirs in their power rushing scheme.
 
Vinny said:
We use our TE much more like Pittsburgh has used theirs in their power rushing scheme.
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thats why bruener starts instead of miller. bruener is a bad pass catcher but can be a decent run blocker just needs to reduce the penalties. miller is a pass catcher but not a very punishing blocker.
 
We defiantly need a Decent TE. Joppu is done. Trust me, and Miller and
Bruner are a couple of goons. Would be great to get a good TE before Training camp!! :homer:
 
My solution is to draft another one. If Joppru FINALLY gets to play a down, it is bonus. Haven't we hit the Three-strikes-and you're-out rule yet?
 
TheOgre said:
My solution is to draft another one. If Joppru FINALLY gets to play a down, it is bonus. Haven't we hit the Three-strikes-and you're-out rule yet?
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that'll be next year i believe
 
TheOgre said:
My solution is to draft another one. If Joppru FINALLY gets to play a down, it is bonus. Haven't we hit the Three-strikes-and you're-out rule yet?
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Joppru was good in college so when he gets on the field he will be good
 
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