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OK, so McNair gave Kubes his vote of confidence, however he didn't sign him to a long term contract. I think it's a good way to get McNairs point across however how will this affect the short and long term plans of the Texans in regards to personnel moves. Will Kubes/Smith draft scared or will they draft for the long haul. Also how do you handle FA, based on your draft strategy.

So DT, FS, and CB are the biggest needs on the D. Although I'm sure the OL and RB situation will be addressed in the draft, in my humble opinion you don't have to do that on the first day.

With all that said, the general consesus is that DT's and CB's take a couple of years to develop so you don't get as much bang for your buck in the first year from these positions unless you get real lucky. So this leaves FA, the problem with FA with these positions is that they cost a ton. So logically the Texans FO would draft these positions and go with the cheaper positions in the draft, but with this season bieng a a possible do or die, what do you think will happen.

Although I'd like to see us draft a DT and/or CB in one and/or two, but personally I think CB is our biggest need However based on all the factors I think we should draft a FS in round one and pick up a DT/CB in FA (even if is costs us some big dough), then rounds 3 thru 4 can get depth at DT/FA, and/or OL/RB.

What is everyones thougts on Kubes/Smith's strategy based on a possible playoffs or bust season.......
 
My guess is that they won't do a whole lot in free agency. They might go after a guy or two, but it won't be any highly ranked free agent. They never have under Smithiak.

As far as the draft goes, I think they'll have no problem drafting project players. They didn't in the last draft and they could have both been canned after this season perhaps and that didn't stop them then, so I'd fully expect them to do the same thing again if they see a player they like whether he's a possible project type of player or not.
 
The crop of Free Agents is pretty weak overall. I wouldn't mind either Chester Taylor or Lendale White at the RB position which would free up a draft pick for the other needs. I'd hate to get in a bidding war on some of the junk FA's out there.
 
I think we may see a couple free agents or trades but not the high dollar contract offer to a super star. I think we need to re-sign the FA/RFA's on this team and go after an OG/DT/RB in free agency that is of the Pollard, Cody, Walter level. Solid guys that should contribute... but sometimes they turn out to be steals. I'd like to see a starting calibre OG, a DT for the rotation and a solid RB that doesn't force us to draft one early (although we still might).

In the draft, I think we need to get guys where their Length to Impact is short, in other words can come in and produce right away. I actually think a CB can produce quickly (see Quin's first year, Bennett's first year). A lot depends on how deep the positions are in the draft (relative to your team) and what we can/can't accomplish in FA.

If we don't get an OG in free agency... I think a starter from the draft is a MUST. Regardless of Brisiel/Caldwell/Studdard's potential.

I agree OG/RB are the two positions on offense. DT/CB/FS are the positions on defense. I could also see them going DT early if the value is there because they're committed to building our DL.
 
Haven't read anything about this in some time, but any thoughts on a kicker...whether it be through the draft, free agency or stay with KB? Not sure if there are any good options out there.
 
Personally, I would like to see them get one of the great guards with the 1st round pick (the Idaho G looks terrific), go for a DT in the second, and then just go with the best talent on the board after that. The only kicker I see worth drafting is the one from Texas, but given all the teams that had kicking problems this year, he may be drafted as high as the fifth round, which the Texans would not do.

As for free agents, I don't think there is much out there that would have a huge impact Texans. I think they will focus more on keeping their potential free agents/RFAs more than anything.
 
I can see how this team without any additions could be a 11-5 or 12 -4 team. I think this is what sold McNair. I see Smith and Kubes drafting solid long term players that build the team. Go 11-5 against the schedule with draft picks selected this year should get Gary his deal. Strengthen the Oline, add a quality RB and another good Corner and that will look pretty sweet. Anthing in later rounds is gravy with the fried chicken.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Personally, I would like to see them get one of the great guards with the 1st round pick (the Boise State G looks terrific), go for a DT in the second, and then just go with the best talent on the board after that. The only kicker I see worth drafting is the one from Texas, but given all the teams that had kicking problems this year, he may be drafted as high as the fifth round, which the Texans would not do.

As for free agents, I don't think there is much out there that would have a huge impact Texans. I think they will focus more on keeping their potential free agents/RFAs more than anything.
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Who? Got a name?
 
JB said:
Who? Got a name?
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Mike Iupati | OG
Scouts Inc. Grade: 87


Here's his name, I can never spell it right. He's actually from Idaho, not Boisie State. It's all the same to me :D

Anyways, it looks like he will be moving up in projections to the late first round along with Vladimir Ducasse, which means both will be gone before the Texans 2nd pick. They could trade back a few spots before picking him up, but they might lose him in the process and miss out on a great DT as well.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Mike Iupati | OG
Scouts Inc. Grade: 87


Here's his name, I can never spell it right. He's actually from Idaho, not Boisie State. It's all the same to me :D

Anyways, it looks like he will be moving up in projections to the late first round along with Vladimir Ducasse, which means both will be gone before the Texans 2nd pick. They could trade back a few spots before picking him up, but they might lose him in the process and miss out on a great DT as well.
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Now I get it!
 
Seems like we are all pretty much on the same page. Here is my thought to my pondering earlier in more detail.

FA is weak no one really is a must have, which ussually results in teams getting stupid over guys that are 2nd stringers.

Unless we were to get lucky with someone that was underperforming on another team, or fits our system better I don't see FA doing anything but filling holes with rotation guys. This concerns me because I sure would like to see some holes filled so we can focus on the talent we need in the draft with out reaching.

One wildcard would be to work out some kind of trade for a sure thing at DT, or CB, but what would the price be.

Here's how I see each position of need in no real order for the draft:

DT: We played the run well this year (4 games in to the season of course), and although there are a lot of folks in here that want a DT, in theory we could get by as is, hoping that the system makes the current group better. Although I do feel that the right guy could really make this unit better than average, kind of like Cushings did for the LB's this year.

FS: Pollard really helped make the Safety position look better than it was when you had 3-4 scrubs playing beside him. Pollards ball skills looked pretty damn good to me this year maybe it was luck, but he ain't no "Roy Williams" SS. Personally I think now more than ever an above average FS would eliviate the problems at CB, and make our secondary a whole hell of a lot better in one pick. Although you need preassure on the QB from the DL, a ball hawking safety would make a QB think a milisecond longer, which had we had that last year, our DL would probably have a "lot" more sacks.

CB: Although I love GQ, I think that CB is the weakest area of the D going in to next year. I almost think that we should be looking more at CB than FS, but I just can't get past the whole FS deal. Although I was blowing up Dunta on a weekly basis, I think that if he has a couple more helpings of humble pie, gets his knee a little better, signs a very reasonable contract, and shuts up and plays I think we could go FS this year and CB next.

OL: this is the position I think we have the best chance of filling thru FA. I don't think this offense needs a 10 time all pro type OG, I just think they need someone above average to make up for "Roller Girl" at Center. Although I think every really wants a super stub OG because the center of the line was so weak this year. However I'm not dead set against going after a stub if FS and CB are reaches.

RB: I just don't see this team going after a RB in the first or second. I mean Jim Brown and/or Barry Sanders could have gone thru some of the holes (or lack of holes) this year. You gotta have the blocking, and if you have the blocking the guys we have can get the job done (Except Chris Brown!!!) as long as they hold on to the ball. Although I think we need a true power back, I don't think Kube's or Smith will go after a Blue Chip RB unless every other hole was filled and the OL was firing on all cylinders.

If I were in the FO and I had to pick using what I know and the team philosy:

1. FS
2. OG/DT
3. CB
4. RB
5.-7. BPA (With an emphasis on Interior OL, Interior DL, and CB)

This assumes that there is someone on the board worth the pick at 1-4.

In FA, I would target an above average OG and pay him what they're worth or a little more if they work in the system. I'd go after a DT that could rotate in. Last I'd take a look a RB depending on thier skill set with an emphasis on short yardage.
 
Texecutioner said:
My guess is that they won't do a whole lot in free agency. They might go after a guy or two, but it won't be any highly ranked free agent. They never have under Smithiak.

As far as the draft goes, I think they'll have no problem drafting project players. They didn't in the last draft and they could have both been canned after this season perhaps and that didn't stop them then, so I'd fully expect them to do the same thing again if they see a player they like whether he's a possible project type of player or not.
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Yep

So far that strategy has led to mediocrity. Hopefuly this philosophy changes.
 
This will be an interesting FA year not because who may be available by their contract being up but who is going to get cut because of a high salary that won't hurt a team in the salary cap. There may be some names that could surprise.
Having said that if you check the draft history of the Texans under Kubiak the first pick is always a need area. Mario DL..Amobi DL...D.Brown LT....Cushing LB....

Biggest hole on the team this year is RB and DT, if there's someone deserving after the combine at RB, that'll be my guess who gets picked first, if not it'll be one of the DT's that seem to have high grades this year. If a RB isn't picked first, mark it down he'll go in the 2nd.

Third and fourth round picks the past 4 years have been 3 on the OL (Spencer, Winston, Caldwell) 4 DB's (Bennett, Harrison, Molden,Quin) 2 TE's (Daniels and Hill), 1 LB Adibi and 1 RB Slayton.
This year expect a CB and OL (most likely guard-center) with these picks with history showing that's where they pick em'. I'm guessing best available guard or center available in 3rd and CB in 4th.

These guys stuck in 5-6-7 Rounds previously you had Anderson in round 7, Frye, Studdard Diles, then Okam and Barber (Okam probably played his last game in Texans uniform) and Casey and McCain.
Expect OLineman, secondary and best athlete available here.I would put some names here but you never know who will rise or fall until the combine when the numbers go up.
 
FWIW, John McClain still maintains he believes Kubiak gets an extension.

Usually he doesn't say those sorts of things unless small birds are talking to him.
 
Texans_Chick said:
FWIW, John McClain still maintains he believes Kubiak gets an extension.

Usually he doesn't say those sorts of things unless small birds are talking to him.
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I'd have to assume he'll be getting some kind of extension. I reckon Dennison and Knapp must've been told something of the sort for them to sign on with us. I'd guess most coaches would rather not sign with a team that has their HC in his final year. Unless they're hard up, of course.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'd have to assume he'll be getting some kind of extension. I reckon Dennison and Knapp must've been told something of the sort for them to sign on with us. I'd guess most coaches would rather not sign with a team that has their HC in his final year. Unless they're hard up, of course.
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If they are offered a 3 year guaranteed contract then they may not care too much about the state of Kubiak's contract, especially given the uncertainty of 2011.
 
dalemurphy said:
If they are offered a 3 year guaranteed contract then they may not care too much about the state of Kubiak's contract, especially given the uncertainty of 2011.
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There are no such thing as guaranteed contracts in the NFL. Especially when the HC that brought them in is fired. New coaches want their own staff
 
HOU-TEX said:
There are no such thing as guaranteed contracts in the NFL. Especially when the HC that brought them in is fired. New coaches want their own staff
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Guaranteed in terms of payment there are. Shanahan was being paid by Denver last year under his contract and would have been again this year. Heck Denver was even going to have to make up the difference if he took less money from the Skins.
 
dalemurphy said:
Coaching contracts are usually, if not always, guaranteed in the NFL.
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Financially maybe, but I reckon they'd be looking for stability too. Dennison has been in Colorado for ever and it'd be hard for me to beleive he'd leave to come here without some sort of idea he's going to be able to stay a while. At least that's my opinion.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Financially maybe, but I reckon they'd be looking for stability too. Dennison has been in Colorado for ever and it'd be hard for me to beleive he'd leave to come here without some sort of idea he's going to be able to stay a while. At least that's my opinion.
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You're right. But, with 2011 hanging over everyone's head, things are pretty uncertain beyond next season throughout the NFL.
 
HOU-TEX said:
There are no such thing as guaranteed contracts in the NFL. Especially when the HC that brought them in is fired. New coaches want their own staff
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Coaches, even assistant coaches, usually get guaranteed contracts. If the fired coach gets another gig the next seaon, the former team pays the difference in salary. If any.

Edit: Didn't read through the end of the thread. I see now that this has been covered.
 
Big Lou said:
OK, so McNair gave Kubes his vote of confidence, however he didn't sign him to a long term contract. I think it's a good way to get McNairs point across however how will this affect the short and long term plans of the Texans in regards to personnel moves. Will Kubes/Smith draft scared or will they draft for the long haul. Also how do you handle FA, based on your draft strategy.

So DT, FS, and CB are the biggest needs on the D. Although I'm sure the OL and RB situation will be addressed in the draft, in my humble opinion you don't have to do that on the first day.

In my humble opinion that line of thinking is why we are in this position.


With all that said, the general consesus is that DT's and CB's take a couple of years to develop so you don't get as much bang for your buck in the first year from these positions unless you get real lucky. So this leaves FA, the problem with FA with these positions is that they cost a ton. So logically the Texans FO would draft these positions and go with the cheaper positions in the draft, but with this season bieng a a possible do or die, what do you think will happen.

Although I'd like to see us draft a DT and/or CB in one and/or two, but personally I think CB is our biggest need However based on all the factors I think we should draft a FS in round one and pick up a DT/CB in FA (even if is costs us some big dough), then rounds 3 thru 4 can get depth at DT/FA, and/or OL/RB.

We do not currently have a single RB on our roster thats capable of being a productive starter. Slaton is the closest thing to it and he is a huge question mark right now. There really isnt any good proven starters that are going to be available in FA.

We had one of the worst running games in the NFL. Our defense ended the season playing really well.

Kubiak has said fixing the running game is priority #1 over and over again.

This is a weak year for RB's and the top six could easily be gone by hte time we pick in the second round. If we dont take a RB in the first I could see us trading up in the second to make sure we got one of te top guys. Remember we wanted the RB from Bama last year in the third but he was taken one pick in front of us and our rushing attack was not nearly as bad going into that draft as it is now.

What is everyones thougts on Kubes/Smith's strategy based on a possible playoffs or bust season.......
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Im convinced they will draft a RB in the first two rounds whether they get one in FA or not. The bigger question to me is what kind of a RB are they going to draft.

Is Kubiak going to try and go back to a run first oreinted team or is he going continue rolling with the passing game being the dominate function. If he wants to go back to a run first team he may draft a back like Dwyer. If he want to continue to pass first he may want to add a bigplay threat and draft a back like Spiller who can line up in the backfield or split out and line up as a WR.

Really dont think that one way is better than the other. I would prefer we go with what has already been established as our strength. I want Spiller in the first. He makes this offense really dangerous. Look at our playmakers and tell me who is a real threat to go all the way at anytime.

You add that kind of threat to this passing game and look out Indy. To me this is the biggest bang for your buck. I cant think of a single other player that could be available to us in this draft that could come in and have more of an imediate impact.
 
My opinion of FA and draft strategy.
I think the Texans will re-sign Bernard Pollard, Kevin Walter, and will franchise Owen Daniels. I think they'll make modest contract offers to Chester Pitts and Mike Brisiel but nothing extravagant, if they sign great and if they don't bye. I think they'll have extended contract negotiations with Dunta and honestly it's 50/50 if they'll re-sign him or not. Also because the CBA has expired Demeco Ryans is a RFA, not an UFA so they may push his contract negotiations back another year which might save the team some money this year but risks pissing off our Pro Bowl MLB who's the heart of the defense. IMO that's not a good strategy but it's what I expect from the Texans. I think the team will be saving alot of money because Dunta won't be making franchise money, Anthony Weavers salary will come off the books, and Andre Davis should be gone as well. That's 3 of the largest salaries on the team that will be freed up to hopefully sign 1 or 2 above average FA's. I think they'll go after Chris Kuper-OG from Denver and most likely get him and also make offers to FA CB's, RB's, and possibly DT's in an attempt to fill at least one of these positions thus freeing the team from so many needs come draft day. I don't forsee a radical change in draft philosophy with the exception of reaching on project players. I think Kubiak will play it more conservative and go for players that he knows will make a difference to the team. I think that if Kubiak drafts project players in the 2nd or 3rd rounds then he should be run out of town immediately because he obviously doesn't grasp the seriousness of his situation.

I expect that Smith/Kubiak will do the right things this year in FA and the draft but with next years brutal schedule I don't think it will matter. It will be a matter of to little to late and I think we'll be lucky to go 8-8 and Kubiak will be gone a year from now.
 
I would hope the Texans take advantage during collective bargining to put thier own house in order for the long term regardless if the coach is on edge or not. Take care of the players & the players will take care of you-

Which brings me to our biggest Free Agent to be Dunta Robinson who had below average season after being franchised. He ranked only 70th among DB's in tackles & was blanked in turnover department given the high cost of his salary plus future demands its unlikely he'll be offered a contract that matches the one he already turned down, hence look for the Texans to spend a high pick on a cb they covet.

Next on agenda is addressing the running game. For the most part they like what they have on the OL, still at least one upgrade in athletic, elite measreables who fits ZBS is warrented, most likely the other first day pick. I don't expect them to take a RB early unless a player like Spiller falls into their laps, until the 3rd/4th rd. But they will draft a RB this year, maybe another undrafted one too to along with a possible cap friendly FA signing.

Other than those specific needs the Texans will be open for buisness as usual to upgrade any poisition they feel highest on their draft boards, be it DT, FS, LB, WR, K or QB.

What's frustrating is last season schedule was a walk in the park compared to this coming season. Even if the Texans improve it may not be reflected in a playoff berth. Need lots of luck keeping players injury free, catching teams on down weeks, keeping distractions off the field & begin the season with a statement game, Texans are winners not losers.

:twocents:
 
Wolf6151 said:
My opinion of FA and draft strategy.
I think the Texans will re-sign Bernard Pollard, Kevin Walter, and will franchise Owen Daniels. I think they'll make modest contract offers to Chester Pitts and Mike Brisiel but nothing extravagant, if they sign great and if they don't bye. I think they'll have extended contract negotiations with Dunta and honestly it's 50/50 if they'll re-sign him or not. Also because the CBA has expired Demeco Ryans is a RFA, not an UFA so they may push his contract negotiations back another year which might save the team some money this year but risks pissing off our Pro Bowl MLB who's the heart of the defense. IMO that's not a good strategy but it's what I expect from the Texans. I think the team will be saving alot of money because Dunta won't be making franchise money, Anthony Weavers salary will come off the books, and Andre Davis should be gone as well. That's 3 of the largest salaries on the team that will be freed up to hopefully sign 1 or 2 above average FA's. I think they'll go after Chris Kuper-OG from Denver and most likely get him and also make offers to FA CB's, RB's, and possibly DT's in an attempt to fill at least one of these positions thus freeing the team from so many needs come draft day. I don't forsee a radical change in draft philosophy with the exception of reaching on project players. I think Kubiak will play it more conservative and go for players that he knows will make a difference to the team. I think that if Kubiak drafts project players in the 2nd or 3rd rounds then he should be run out of town immediately because he obviously doesn't grasp the seriousness of his situation.

I expect that Smith/Kubiak will do the right things this year in FA and the draft but with next years brutal schedule I don't think it will matter. It will be a matter of to little to late and I think we'll be lucky to go 8-8 and Kubiak will be gone a year from now.
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Owen Daniels will be a RFA, so he will not be franchised.
Mike Briesel will be a RFA, so he will be on the team even if he doesn't re-sign.
Bernard Pollard will be a RFA, so he will be on the team regardless.

The only unrestricted players on the Texans are:
Chester Pitts
Dunta Robinson
Kevin Walter
 
mussop said:
Im convinced they will draft a RB in the first two rounds whether they get one in FA or not. The bigger question to me is what kind of a RB are they going to draft.

Is Kubiak going to try and go back to a run first oreinted team or is he going continue rolling with the passing game being the dominate function. If he wants to go back to a run first team he may draft a back like Dwyer. If he want to continue to pass first he may want to add a bigplay threat and draft a back like Spiller who can line up in the backfield or split out and line up as a WR.

Really dont think that one way is better than the other. I would prefer we go with what has already been established as our strength. I want Spiller in the first. He makes this offense really dangerous. Look at our playmakers and tell me who is a real threat to go all the way at anytime.

You add that kind of threat to this passing game and look out Indy. To me this is the biggest bang for your buck. I cant think of a single other player that could be available to us in this draft that could come in and have more of an imediate impact.
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As I've stated before I like Dwyer better than Spiller. Dwyer compliments Slaton better than Spiller. I could get on board with Spiller though. He would help the return game. Spiller could also be a threat out of the slot. AJ, JJ,Spiller wouuld be very dangerous in the passing game.

This is probably a moot point. In the 1st rd Smithiak are probably looking at some combination of D.Williams,Iupati,Wilson or one of the other highly rated OT's that fall and can slide into the OG position.

From their interviews smithiak are probably looking at a FA RB and drafting somebody like Blount or S.Johnson in the 4-5 RD.

RB takes on a lower priority if they decide to go this way. Priorities then become DT,CB,OG and S. IMO

The dynamic players on this offense are Schaub,AJ,JJ and Slaton.
 
beerlover said:
I would hope the Texans take advantage during collective bargining to put thier own house in order for the long term regardless if the coach is on edge or not. Take care of the players & the players will take care of you-

Which brings me to our biggest Free Agent to be Dunta Robinson who had below average season after being franchised. He ranked only 70th among DB's in tackles & was blanked in turnover department given the high cost of his salary plus future demands its unlikely he'll be offered a contract that matches the one he already turned down, hence look for the Texans to spend a high pick on a cb they covet.

Next on agenda is addressing the running game. For the most part they like what they have on the OL, still at least one upgrade in athletic, elite measreables who fits ZBS is warrented, most likely the other first day pick. I don't expect them to take a RB early unless a player like Spiller falls into their laps, until the 3rd/4th rd. But they will draft a RB this year, maybe another undrafted one too to along with a possible cap friendly FA signing.

Other than those specific needs the Texans will be open for buisness as usual to upgrade any poisition they feel highest on their draft boards, be it DT, FS, LB, WR, K or QB.

What's frustrating is last season schedule was a walk in the park compared to this coming season. Even if the Texans improve it may not be reflected in a playoff berth. Need lots of luck keeping players injury free, catching teams on down weeks, keeping distractions off the field & begin the season with a statement game, Texans are winners not losers.

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Kubes blew it last year. IMO

There are no Sea.,STL,SF,Buf. on the schedule next year. I see a 7-9,9-7 type season next year. Which is sad. I'm going to miss Kubes.
 
steelbtexan said:
Kubes blew it last year. IMO

There are no Sea.,STL,SF,Buf. on the schedule next year. I see a 7-9,9-7 type season next year. Which is sad. I'm going to miss Kubes.
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I will be absolutely shocked if we win less than 11 next year, assuming we don't get absolutely hammered with injuries!

We do get: Washington, Denver, Oakland, KC though.
 
steelbtexan said:
As I've stated before I like Dwyer better than Spiller. Dwyer compliments Slaton better than Spiller. I could get on board with Spiller though. He would help the return game. Spiller could also be a threat out of the slot. AJ, JJ,Spiller wouuld be very dangerous in the passing game.

This is probably a moot point. In the 1st rd Smithiak are probably looking at some combination of D.Williams,Iupati,Wilson or one of the other highly rated OT's that fall and can slide into the OG position.

From their interviews smithiak are probably looking at a FA RB and drafting somebody like Blount or S.Johnson in the 4-5 RD.

RB takes on a lower priority if they decide to go this way. Priorities then become DT,CB,OG and S. IMO

The dynamic players on this offense are Schaub,AJ,JJ and Slaton.
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this is flawed logic in terms of player evaluation. Spiller is clearly a better prospect than Dwyer, what has Slaton done lately?
 
beerlover said:
this is flawed logic in terms of player evaluation. Spiller is clearly a better prospect than Dwyer, what has Slaton done lately?
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It's just my opinion but a big fast RB Dwyer (not as fast as Spiller) would compliment Slaton better.

What does Spiller do that Slaton doesn't?

Like I said I could get on board with Spiller. He is a great talent.

BTW Trading down and picking up more picks and drafting Dwyer would be my 1st choice.

Drafting Spiller or Dwyer is a no lose proposition. IMO
 
steelbtexan said:
It's just my opinion but a big fast RB Dwyer (not as fast as Spiller) would compliment Slaton better.

What does Spiller do that Slaton doesn't?

Like I said I could get on board with Spiller. He is a great talent.

BTW Trading down and picking up more picks and drafting Dwyer would be my 1st choice.

Drafting Spiller or Dwyer is a no lose proposition. IMO
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Though I have not seen him play, members of this board have me convinced that I want to see the Idaho G picked at #20. Certainly, a productive and immensely athletic interior lineman would thrill me to death! I don't how someone with those skills and coachability wouldn't immediately upgrade us at LG... All of a sudden, after the first pick, Studdard is on the bench and Briesel, Caldwell, and Myers are fighting for two spots. I like that idea!
 
dalemurphy said:
Though I have not seen him play, members of this board have me convinced that I want to see the Idaho G picked at #20. Certainly, a productive and immensely athletic interior lineman would thrill me to death! I don't how someone with those skills and coachability wouldn't immediately upgrade us at LG... All of a sudden, after the first pick, Studdard is on the bench and Briesel, Caldwell, and Myers are fighting for two spots. I like that idea!
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Iupati would be my 1st choice at 20. followed by Thomas,Williams,Wilson and Dwyer.

The running game would be much improved with Iupati.

The guys that I like as 2nd or 3rd choices (Iupati,Williams and Wilson) always seem to move up to 1st rd picks after their last season in college,the Sr.bowl and the Combine.

There should be starter level players that can be found in this draft in rds 2-4. This draft is so deep. The deepest one since 2006. That's why I'm on board with trading 2011 picks to get as many picks as possible in this years draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's just my opinion but a big fast RB Dwyer (not as fast as Spiller) would compliment Slaton better.

What does Spiller do that Slaton doesn't?

Like I said I could get on board with Spiller. He is a great talent.

BTW Trading down and picking up more picks and drafting Dwyer would be my 1st choice.

Drafting Spiller or Dwyer is a no lose proposition. IMO
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here is a little treat from Ourlads, I know you've heard of them?

C.J. Spiller is a better prospect than Titans' Chris Johnson coming out of college. He has the same explosive game breaking speed and ability to shake tacklers in space. Good intellignece and insticts to transition to the next level.
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Jonathan Dwyer, is a junior entry that must adjust from the dive back position in a triple option offense to an NFL backfield. Has the size and power to be a feature NFL back
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Not comparing them but Earl Campbell was the dive back in UT's wishbone and he did alright in the NFL.

You cant go wrong taking either Spiller or Dwyer. IMO

How good is Spiller in blitz pick up?
 
steelbtexan said:
Not comparing them but Earl Campbell was the dive back in UT's wishbone and he did alright in the NFL.

You cant go wrong taking either Spiller or Dwyer. IMO

How good is Spiller in blitz pick up?
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can't tell you cause he's 20 yards downfield heading for the endzone :jogger:
 
steelbtexan said:
Not comparing them but Earl Campbell was the dive back in UT's wishbone and he did alright in the NFL.

You cant go wrong taking either Spiller or Dwyer. IMO

How good is Spiller in blitz pick up?
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If my memory is working, Campbell played in the 'I' his last year at UT, but your overall point is valid. Dyer is even the same body type as Earl.
 
Dutchrudder said:
Mike Iupati | OG
Scouts Inc. Grade: 87


Here's his name, I can never spell it right. He's actually from Idaho, not Boisie State. It's all the same to me :D

Anyways, it looks like he will be moving up in projections to the late first round along with Vladimir Ducasse, which means both will be gone before the Texans 2nd pick. They could trade back a few spots before picking him up, but they might lose him in the process and miss out on a great DT as well.
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he was awful in the Sr bowl today...just awful. Holding on every play...he can't move his feet in short space.
 
Vinny said:
he was awful in the Sr bowl today...just awful. Holding on every play...he can't move his feet in short space.
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Did you catch Iupati in bed with your girfriend or what? We got it, he had a bad senior bowl game so he is a worthless POS that will never amount to anything in the NFL. Your point is made.
 
mussop said:
Did you catch Iupati in bed with your girfriend or what? We got it, he had a bad senior bowl game so he is a worthless POS that will never amount to anything in the NFL. Your point is made.
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I don't know about that, but the kid DID look a lot like Kasey Studdard
today. I don't think any harm was meant by it. Good thing we got
to see the kid play first hand, right?
 
Big Lou said:
Seems like we are all pretty much on the same page. Here is my thought to my pondering earlier in more detail.

FA is weak no one really is a must have, which ussually results in teams getting stupid over guys that are 2nd stringers.

Unless we were to get lucky with someone that was underperforming on another team, or fits our system better I don't see FA doing anything but filling holes with rotation guys. This concerns me because I sure would like to see some holes filled so we can focus on the talent we need in the draft with out reaching.

One wildcard would be to work out some kind of trade for a sure thing at DT, or CB, but what would the price be.

Here's how I see each position of need in no real order for the draft:

DT: We played the run well this year (4 games in to the season of course), and although there are a lot of folks in here that want a DT, in theory we could get by as is, hoping that the system makes the current group better. Although I do feel that the right guy could really make this unit better than average, kind of like Cushings did for the LB's this year.

FS: Pollard really helped make the Safety position look better than it was when you had 3-4 scrubs playing beside him. Pollards ball skills looked pretty damn good to me this year maybe it was luck, but he ain't no "Roy Williams" SS. Personally I think now more than ever an above average FS would eliviate the problems at CB, and make our secondary a whole hell of a lot better in one pick. Although you need preassure on the QB from the DL, a ball hawking safety would make a QB think a milisecond longer, which had we had that last year, our DL would probably have a "lot" more sacks.

CB: Although I love GQ, I think that CB is the weakest area of the D going in to next year. I almost think that we should be looking more at CB than FS, but I just can't get past the whole FS deal. Although I was blowing up Dunta on a weekly basis, I think that if he has a couple more helpings of humble pie, gets his knee a little better, signs a very reasonable contract, and shuts up and plays I think we could go FS this year and CB next.

OL: this is the position I think we have the best chance of filling thru FA. I don't think this offense needs a 10 time all pro type OG, I just think they need someone above average to make up for "Roller Girl" at Center. Although I think every really wants a super stub OG because the center of the line was so weak this year. However I'm not dead set against going after a stub if FS and CB are reaches.

RB: I just don't see this team going after a RB in the first or second. I mean Jim Brown and/or Barry Sanders could have gone thru some of the holes (or lack of holes) this year. You gotta have the blocking, and if you have the blocking the guys we have can get the job done (Except Chris Brown!!!) as long as they hold on to the ball. Although I think we need a true power back, I don't think Kube's or Smith will go after a Blue Chip RB unless every other hole was filled and the OL was firing on all cylinders.

If I were in the FO and I had to pick using what I know and the team philosy:

1. FS
2. OG/DT
3. CB
4. RB
5.-7. BPA (With an emphasis on Interior OL, Interior DL, and CB)

This assumes that there is someone on the board worth the pick at 1-4.

In FA, I would target an above average OG and pay him what they're worth or a little more if they work in the system. I'd go after a DT that could rotate in. Last I'd take a look a RB depending on thier skill set with an emphasis on short yardage.
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I agree with almost all of your post. I too think FS is #1 need but Earl Thomas is the only one I'd take #20 & I have him gone. So CB is my first round. I also have assessed Dunta as you did. On my board, I have LG Mitch Petrus Arkansas in 3rd round.

We differ on RB, though and I have Toby Gerhart in 2nd. A strong power back can make an opening when the Oline can not. We should have a stronger Oline than what we ended with even with drafting for it. Brisiel & probably Pitts will be back & while Slaton did not do well behind that line, a power back should have.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'd have to assume he'll be getting some kind of extension. I reckon Dennison and Knapp must've been told something of the sort for them to sign on with us. I'd guess most coaches would rather not sign with a team that has their HC in his final year. Unless they're hard up, of course.
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What if these two would hope to be in the running for head coach interview if Kubes is not re-signed?
 
Wolf6151 said:
My opinion of FA and draft strategy.
I think the Texans will re-sign Bernard Pollard, Kevin Walter, and will franchise Owen Daniels. I think they'll make modest contract offers to Chester Pitts and Mike Brisiel but nothing extravagant, if they sign great and if they don't bye. I think they'll have extended contract negotiations with Dunta and honestly it's 50/50 if they'll re-sign him or not. Also because the CBA has expired Demeco Ryans is a RFA, not an UFA so they may push his contract negotiations back another year which might save the team some money this year but risks pissing off our Pro Bowl MLB who's the heart of the defense. IMO that's not a good strategy but it's what I expect from the Texans. I think the team will be saving alot of money because Dunta won't be making franchise money, Anthony Weavers salary will come off the books, and Andre Davis should be gone as well. That's 3 of the largest salaries on the team that will be freed up to hopefully sign 1 or 2 above average FA's. I think they'll go after Chris Kuper-OG from Denver and most likely get him and also make offers to FA CB's, RB's, and possibly DT's in an attempt to fill at least one of these positions thus freeing the team from so many needs come draft day. I don't forsee a radical change in draft philosophy with the exception of reaching on project players. I think Kubiak will play it more conservative and go for players that he knows will make a difference to the team. I think that if Kubiak drafts project players in the 2nd or 3rd rounds then he should be run out of town immediately because he obviously doesn't grasp the seriousness of his situation.

I expect that Smith/Kubiak will do the right things this year in FA and the draft but with next years brutal schedule I don't think it will matter. It will be a matter of to little to late and I think we'll be lucky to go 8-8 and Kubiak will be gone a year from now.
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I agree with the bolded, but not that Davis will be gone. I am a bit less optimistic on free agency but hope you are right.
 
badboy said:
I agree with the bolded, but not that Davis will be gone. I am a bit less optimistic on free agency but hope you are right.
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Like Ryans, OD will be an RFA not a UFA. No franchise tag for either although I hope they do long term deals with both.
 
1st round will be Williams DT if he's still there
2nd round will be between Mathews, Dixon and Gerhart whoever they have ranked highest
3rd round will be Petrus OG Arkansas
4 round Moore CB Kansas State, 1 of fastest corners in draft, good against run also for a kid his size
5 round will be Larsens (sp?) C

I don't see a CB getting picked any higher unless DRob is definetely gone.
 
beerlover said:
I would hope the Texans take advantage during collective bargining to put thier own house in order for the long term regardless if the coach is on edge or not. Take care of the players & the players will take care of you-

Which brings me to our biggest Free Agent to be Dunta Robinson who had below average season after being franchised. He ranked only 70th among DB's in tackles & was blanked in turnover department given the high cost of his salary plus future demands its unlikely he'll be offered a contract that matches the one he already turned down, hence look for the Texans to spend a high pick on a cb they covet.

Next on agenda is addressing the running game. For the most part they like what they have on the OL, still at least one upgrade in athletic, elite measreables who fits ZBS is warrented, most likely the other first day pick. I don't expect them to take a RB early unless a player like Spiller falls into their laps, until the 3rd/4th rd. But they will draft a RB this year, maybe another undrafted one too to along with a possible cap friendly FA signing.

Other than those specific needs the Texans will be open for buisness as usual to upgrade any poisition they feel highest on their draft boards, be it DT, FS, LB, WR, K or QB.

What's frustrating is last season schedule was a walk in the park compared to this coming season. Even if the Texans improve it may not be reflected in a playoff berth. Need lots of luck keeping players injury free, catching teams on down weeks, keeping distractions off the field & begin the season with a statement game, Texans are winners not losers.

:twocents:
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During the off season before 2009, the schedule for that year was thought to be pretty strong. Maybe this one will work out ok. With the team we have from last year + a good off season collection, I don't fear any of the 31 other teams. The 32nd team that really worries me is the one with the big bull on the helmut.
 
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