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tedr

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Sorry if this has been addressed before on the board.

However things finish this year, I look at these as our needs for next year, in no particular order:

-Running back
-Offensive guard(s)
-Defensive tackle(s)
-Free safety
-Cornerback (possibly)

First, since I am not an expert in personnel, does this sound right?

Next, is it possible to successfully address all these needs through the draft and free agency?

Finally, which position should we draft in the first round, or do you go the best available choice at any of those above?

Thanks for any comments.
 
we needz to win ........

no really we needz to lose to get some good draft picks

but we are going to win and some how make the playoffs and go to the SB and win the SUper bowl .....
 
tedr said:
Sorry if this has been addressed before on the board.

However things finish this year, I look at these as our needs for next year, in no particular order:

-Running back
-Offensive guard(s)
-Defensive tackle(s)
-Free safety
-Cornerback (possibly)

First, since I am not an expert in personnel, does this sound right?

Next, is it possible to successfully address all these needs through the draft and free agency?

Finally, which position should we draft in the first round, or do you go the best available choice at any of those above?

Thanks for any comments.
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Good list, and about the right order. It's time to get a stud RB. However, I do think you take BPA instead of zeroing in on a position.
 
Does anyone know what king of contract steven jackson has with rams I think he would be a good fit and im sure he doesnt want to stay with rams
 
I'm hoping we can address DT of FS through FA, then draft Haden or one of the Safeties in the first round of the draft (if we don't get a FA FS). Then the next 3 rounds I would love to see 2 OG's and a RB, in whatever order. Hopefully we can grab a kicker in the last couple of rounds.

While it is fun to dream, the reality is that we need to take the best player available. Hopefully there will be some good players available in these positions when it is our turn to draft.
 
TexCanada said:
I'm hoping we can address DT of FS through FA, then draft Haden or one of the Safeties in the first round of the draft (if we don't get a FA FS). Then the next 3 rounds I would love to see 2 OG's and a RB, in whatever order. Hopefully we can grab a kicker in the last couple of rounds.

While it is fun to dream, the reality is that we need to take the best player available. Hopefully there will be some good players available in these positions when it is our turn to draft.
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I guess I should know this, but who is Haden? I googled the name and got several with that name. Thanks.
 
I think you pretty much got it as far as need goes. If Kubiak is still here, you have to assume we aren't going to go based on need but best available as history has shown that.

What I did to look at how we should draft was look back at our losses since many of them were winnable and ask myself what caused us to lose each of those games. Then I looked at our wins and looked for our areas of struggle in those wins because in our wins we've put together two completely different halves of football.

In our losses we had two games where we couldn't get a TD from the goaline. So I'm putting Guard, Center and RB at the top of my list.

Two more games were lost due to missed FGs. So a kicker could possibly be had in FA but I'm noticing some pretty darn good ones are going to be available in the draft. Like the kid from Nebraska (K.Brown's alma matter).

The Jacksonville game and the Jets game had a common factor. We couldn't stop the run and our DBs were pretty bad (jets didn't have our regular starters). So DT and DBs is what I'd like to see.

The wins kinda show our weak secondary because teams were able to come from the dead when we were ahead. Alot of that had to do with Eugene Wilson not playing until week 4 or so but you can still see the teams that were able to throw on us and come back to make the game interesting. Also another legitimate threat at the receiver position. Walter was out til week 3 but he hasn't done much since either. Anderson is a career back up, Andre Davis hasn't seen much action. This leaves only Jacoby Jones who still needs to screw his head on right. There are some good recievers coming out in this draft that can be had in rounds 3 and lower. Also TE, is necessary because once OD went down we have been 1-4 without him and I know we could've beat Indy with him. Joel Dreesen is not going to cut it anymore if we want to go furhter and Casey is too new. TE can be had in FA or draft.
 
tedr said:
Sorry if this has been addressed before on the board.

However things finish this year, I look at these as our needs for next year, in no particular order:

-Running back
-Offensive guard(s)
-Defensive tackle(s)
-Free safety
-Cornerback (possibly)

First, since I am not an expert in personnel, does this sound right?

Next, is it possible to successfully address all these needs through the draft and free agency?

Finally, which position should we draft in the first round, or do you go the best available choice at any of those above?

Thanks for any comments.
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On your main MB page look down to College football forum and click on mock drafts. Some of us post there regularly and you might be interested. A lot depends on your offensive line injuries Pitts and Brisiel who were the LG and RG starters. To make it challenging, Pitts is in the final year of his contract & will be 31 YOA prior to next season. I had written him off, but if healthy and willing he could sign a reasonable contract loaded with incentatives. He and a combo of Brisiel and Caldwell could strengthen the line avoiding the use of a draft pick. If both are healthy and Caldwell could earn Kubiac's trust at center we'd have a much improved offense especially in the Red Zone. Schaub could stay on feet longer also. Under this scenario, How about Earl Thomas FS from UT, Gerhart RB and #2 in Heisman as RB and a CB in 3rd?
 
yah we lost 2 games becasue of our kicker

I think getting a new kicker is a must

we lost some games becasue of our RB getting some new RB will be nice

Guards and a new center has well
 
tedr said:
-Running back - yes, any rd. maybe even a 1st/2nd & FA
-Offensive guard(s) yes, any rd. except 1st. possibly FA
-Defensive tackle(s) yes, FA prioity, mid to late drat pick
-Free safety yes, draft one 1st or 2nd rd.
-Cornerback (possibly)yes, any rd.
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I think you got it. the free agent market will tell us alot going into the draft, also the underclassman must declare intentions to come out or not by January 15th, 2010, also add OLB if the right upgrade is available Texans could have a lock down, elite unit.
 
Norg said:
yah we lost 2 games becasue of our kicker

I think getting a new kicker is a must

we lost some games becasue of our RB getting some new RB will be nice

Guards and a new center has well
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What center do you draft that is right for ZBS (if Kubiac remains) that will earn coach's trust over Myers? You don't just draft one and hope he learns to make correct calls for Oline. That is why CHris Myers remains the starter. On my board I have THomas Austin but even he will have to beat out the starter.
 
badboy said:
On your main MB page look down to College football forum and click on mock drafts. Some of us post there regularly and you might be interested. A lot depends on your offensive line injuries Pitts and Brisiel who were the LG and RG starters. To make it challenging, Pitts is in the final year of his contract & will be 31 YOA prior to next season. I had written him off, but if healthy and willing he could sign a reasonable contract loaded with incentatives. He and a combo of Brisiel and Caldwell could strengthen the line avoiding the use of a draft pick. If both are healthy and Caldwell could earn Kubiac's trust at center we'd have a much improved offense especially in the Red Zone. Schaub could stay on feet longer also. Under this scenario, How about Earl Thomas FS from UT, Gerhart RB and #2 in Heisman as RB and a CB in 3rd?
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Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a look.
 
tedr said:
-Running back
-Offensive guard(s)
-Defensive tackle(s)
-Free safety
-Cornerback (possibly)
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That's the list. I also wouldn't object to taking/signing a (potential) stud DE or WR if one were available to us.

tedr said:
Next, is it possible to successfully address all these needs through the draft and free agency?
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Yes. You'll likely address your interior OL on the second day of the draft or in the second round at the earliest.

Depending on what you do in FA, you'll probably take BPA at S, RB, CB, and DT in the first round. Also, as much as I hate to say it, with the way the defense has come on, with Barber showing improvement this year, and Wilson coming back next season, I wouldn't be shocked if S was left out of the plans again.

And, it's important to note that CB is one position that works out best in the first round. Ravens' GM, Ozzie Newsome, is famous for his philosophy of taking first round CB. He has studied the numbers and concluded that first round CB are the most proportionally successful at their position compared to most other positions. So, if we decide we need a CB (which isn't a strecth given that Dunta and likely Bennett won't be back next year), it might be best to look that way in the first.
 
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nero THE zero said:
That's the list. I also wouldn't object to taking/signing a (potential) stud DE or WR if one were available to us.



Yes. You'll likely address your interior OL on the second day of the draft or in the second round at the earliest.

Depending on what you do in FA, you'll probably take BPA at S, RB, CB, and DT in the first round. Also, as much as I hate to say it, with the way the defense has come on, with Barber showing improvement this year, and Wilson coming back next season, I wouldn't be shocked if S was left out of the plans again.

And, it's important to note that CB is one position that works out best in the first round. Ravens' GM, Ozzie Newsome, is famous for his philosophy of taking first round CB. He has studied the numbers and concluded that first round CB are the most proportionally successful at their position compared to most other positions. So, if we decide we need a CB (which isn't a strecth given that Dunta and likely Bennett won't be back next year), it might be best to look that way in the first.
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Saftey is 3rd or 4th on our needs chart. Wilson is servicable.
 
nero THE zero said:
Depending on what you do in FA, you'll probably take BPA at S, RB, CB, and DT in the first round. Also, as much as I hate to say it, with the way the defense has come on, with Barber showing improvement this year, and Wilson coming back next season, I wouldn't be shocked if S was left out of the plans again.
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I really wish we would draft an impact safety to go with Pollard, but you're probably right.
 
tedr said:
I really wish we would draft an impact safety to go with Pollard, but you're probably right.
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Understand your position but I think a power back to replace Brown and a LG to replace Studdard is need more than some one to replace Eugene Wilson. If Haden is gone and Thomas there that would be a value pick and I'd side with you and grab him. If Haden is there my FS needs drop in priority as we need other positons filled in 2nd and 3rd.
 
With next year being an uncapped year, whats the likelyhood that McNair breaks open the piggy bank and goes after our biggest needs with proven free agents rather than rookies?
 
Texan_Bill said:
Pretty much my list too. Somebody mentioned Guard(s) above but I'm okay with Pitts and Briesel coming back (for now).
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I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a safety first, but the ol defensive end in me would STILL like to see a Dlineman picked with our first. If not, I'd stay in the trenches by grabbing an interior Olineman.

I'd look at S, CB or RB in the 2nd and 3rd.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Pretty much my list too. Somebody mentioned Guard(s) above but I'm okay with Pitts and Briesel coming back (for now).
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I mentioned a guard and a center. I'm with the above coming back too but Pitts injury was pretty severe and Brisel was having a down year too.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a safety first, but the ol defensive end in me would STILL like to see a Dlineman picked with our first. If not, I'd stay in the trenches by grabbing an interior Olineman.

I'd look at S, CB or RB in the 2nd and 3rd.
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It really depends on what is available though. If Haden is there, I really think we should go get him. Same goes for the top safeties. I really hope we can grab one of the top DT free agents in the off-season.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a safety first, but the ol defensive end in me would STILL like to see a Dlineman picked with our first. If not, I'd stay in the trenches by grabbing an interior Olineman.

I'd look at S, CB or RB in the 2nd and 3rd.
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El Tejano said:
I mentioned a guard and a center. I'm with the above coming back too but Pitts injury was pretty severe and Brisel was having a down year too.
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Hell, the only two areas we're solid at are recievers and LB's. Other than that we could make an argument about needs in every other area including Oline whether Pitts makes it all the way back or not.
 
Barber stinks. Having said that, Sunday was quite possibly his best game. Of course, that is damning with faint praise. If he plays like that every week, I want him as a good ST player and decent backup. Still don't want Barber near a starters spot. In a best case scenerio, I want to draft an impact safety to team with Pollard. Wilson probably starts the year as the new guy gets worked in, but eventually Wilson becomes a top backup at safety with Barber #4. If the draftee pans out, that takes safety from a periennal sore spot to a team strength.

I'm also looking at a top shelf CB, along with RB, DT, C, G, and yes possibly TE ONLY because of injury concerns. We now have two TE's out with severe knee injuries. I don't want to have to go into next year with Casey as the starter and Dreeson as the backup. This offense relies too much on a good pass catching TE to open things up for others. A mid round selection at TE seems prudent OR a decent FA needs to be had for insurance.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Hell, the only two areas we're solid at are recievers and LB's. Other than that we could make an argument about needs in every other area including Oline whether Pitts makes it all the way back or not.
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I think we could upgrade reciever to be honest. Davis needs to go, and though I like David Anderson, he shouldn't be irreplaceable. DIles is another guy I think clould be upgraded, but we need other stuff more.
 
badboy said:
What center do you draft that is right for ZBS (if Kubiac remains) that will earn coach's trust over Myers? You don't just draft one and hope he learns to make correct calls for Oline. That is why CHris Myers remains the starter. On my board I have THomas Austin but even he will have to beat out the starter.
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uhh maybe we need to have a hybrid style of the ZBS run system next year then .........

and your right who ever said this next year we need to break open teh piggy bank

Yeah iam fine with Brisles not Pitts tho he needs to be CUT !!!
 
Stemp said:
With next year being an uncapped year, whats the likelyhood that McNair breaks open the piggy bank and goes after our biggest needs with proven free agents rather than rookies?
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We have not been outstandingly successful in the recent range of Free Agency. Some bit players have done well for what they were paid. I am hoping for a DT but not holding my breath.
 
i agree with bill that i'd be comfortable with a guard rotation next season of pitts, briseil, and caldwell. if we managed to bring in casey hampton or a big free agent, that would take care of DT, and in my opinion would take a LOT of pressure off of needs at defensive end. popular opinion here appears be moving around in the draft to get a defensive back and gerhart with the first two picks, taking care of two more positions before training camp. a center and kicker would be targetted in later rounds, along with several walk-ons at both positions during the offseason. secondary is still a concern, but how much of a need depends on a lot of our current roster - wilson returning, what happens with dunta, bennett returning or disappearing, mccain and quinn's progression, etc.

we've got a lot of needs, and that doesnt even get into talking about depth, but there are definite possibilities to take care of most of them in a single offseason.
 
JB said:
What is your problem with Pitts? First you cheer when he was injured and now this crap?
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i didnt cheer when he was injured i think i just said Good no we can replace him with someone better

anywayz i just dont think hes 2 good Hellz Casey is better then him
 
Norg said:
i didnt cheer when he was injured i think i just said Good no we can replace him with someone better
anywayz i just dont think hes 2 good Hellz Casey is better then him
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1. Semantics
2. Total different position and you have no clue
 
Our pass defense is top 15, and would be top 10 if we had a consistent pass rush. To get there we need a guy in the middle who can collapse the pocket, and force the QB to stay in the DE's rushing lanes, even in the face of a double team.

In the secondary I think we're mostly set as long as they get D-Rob re-signed. Wilson is a big concern with with 4+ injuries in 2 years, and I would rate FS as the biggest need outside the trenches because of that. Pollard is a liability in coverage, and limits what you can do on defense, but he can be serviceable in the short term.

On offense the O-line remains a huge problem. Brown is still a project, and is getting Matty Icepack clobbered 30 times a year. Pitts is a FA and has to return from injury. Myers is technically sound, but physically incapable of handling the modern NFL power DTs. RG is a problem even if Briseil comes back 100%. He is quality depth, and shouldn't be starting. Winston's dreams of a Pro Bowl trip have faded, but he gets my stamp of approval as a starter.

In order:
1. NT
2. RG
3. LG (without Pitts)
4. FS
5. C

If they can't get Robinson to pull his head out of his butt and sign a reasonable contract I would put CB at 4th.
 
Goatcheese said:
Our pass defense is top 15, and would be top 10 if we had a consistent pass rush. To get there we need a guy in the middle who can collapse the pocket, and force the QB to stay in the DE's rushing lanes, even in the face of a double team.

In the secondary I think we're mostly set as long as they get D-Rob re-signed. Wilson is a big concern with with 4+ injuries in 2 years, and I would rate FS as the biggest need outside the trenches because of that. Pollard is a liability in coverage, and limits what you can do on defense, but he can be serviceable in the short term.

On offense the O-line remains a huge problem. Brown is still a project, and is getting Matty Icepack clobbered 30 times a year. Pitts is a FA and has to return from injury. Myers is technically sound, but physically incapable of handling the modern NFL power DTs. RG is a problem even if Briseil comes back 100%. He is quality depth, and shouldn't be starting. Winston's dreams of a Pro Bowl trip have faded, but he gets my stamp of approval as a starter.

In order:
1. NT
2. RG
3. LG (without Pitts)
4. FS
5. C

If they can't get Robinson to pull his head out of his butt and sign a reasonable contract I would put CB at 4th.
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So, you think if we get the O-Line set, RB becomes less of a priority?
 
Norg said:
uhh maybe we need to have a hybrid style of the ZBS run system next year then .........

and your right who ever said this next year we need to break open teh piggy bank

Yeah iam fine with Brisles not Pitts tho he needs to be CUT !!!
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We tried that before we provided A&M with their current coach. What do you have against Pitts?
 
Stemp said:
With next year being an uncapped year, whats the likelyhood that McNair breaks open the piggy bank and goes after our biggest needs with proven free agents rather than rookies?
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Man, I am very hopeful. He was a huge advocate of allowing CBA to lapse to get an uncapped year. I see him as ready to release the financial hounds in free agency. If this is a correct understanding of his mind set, could we see McNair allowing team to trade up for higher picks or multiple first rounds?
 
I think if they offered the 2010 and 2011 1st round picks, they could possibly move up and get Ndamukong Suh and address the other needs in later round and FA.
 
NitroHonda said:
I'd go with a new head coach first but that's just me.
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Bingo. I'm for making a change here. Before anything else is done we need to figure out if Kubiak is going to be back or not.

Texan_Bill said:
Pretty much my list too. Somebody mentioned Guard(s) above but I'm okay with Pitts and Briesel coming back (for now).
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Dunno how you can be ok with both. Would like to see Pitts back, but he's gotta prove he is 100%. Offer him a one year deal to see if he can play at the same level. I am not ok with Brisiel as a starter. He needs to be replaced or relegated to backup.

Stemp said:
With next year being an uncapped year, whats the likelyhood that McNair breaks open the piggy bank and goes after our biggest needs with proven free agents rather than rookies?
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If he's going to keep Kubiak and wants to keep the fanbase intact, he better open up the vault some.

HOU-TEX said:
I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a safety first, but the ol defensive end in me would STILL like to see a Dlineman picked with our first. If not, I'd stay in the trenches by grabbing an interior Olineman.

I'd look at S, CB or RB in the 2nd and 3rd.
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God, this is depressing. Started the year with 3 1st round picks invested in the DL and a high priced FA and we're still not set.

Norg said:
i didnt cheer when he was injured i think i just said Good no we can replace him with someone better

anywayz i just dont think hes 2 good Hellz Casey is better then him
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How the hell do you figure a guy who wouldn't be any team's starter is better then a pro bowl caliber guard like Pitts. I don't want to make anything personal but that is one realllly bad assessment.

DeMarCushPall said:
I think if they offered the 2010 and 2011 1st round picks, they could possibly move up and get Ndamukong Suh and address the other needs in later round and FA.
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Epic fail if we did this. If this team had better depth and I really believed it was just a dominant DL away from the Superbowl I'd make the move. But, we're not even a playoff team.
 
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