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TEXANRED

TEXANRED

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It's not good......at all.

2007
Further information: 2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville (Bust)
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane (Not long for this team)
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina (Not long for this team)
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford (He got cut didn't he?)
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Gone)
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas (Depth at best)
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State (Not the best OLB but he will do for now)

2008
Further information: 2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Decent pick, I like him)
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky (Always hurt, bust)
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia (we will see after this year)
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech (Depth)
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas (You can't be active with this group of scrubs? Not long for this team)
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota (Depth)
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State (gone)

2009
Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/15 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California (Stud)
2/46 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati (situational, depth)
3/77 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama (Depth)
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico (Hey look a starter)
4/122 (from Minnesota) Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State (mostly inactive or hurt)
5/152 James Casey Tight end Rice (Depth)
6/188 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah (Depth)
7/223 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State (who?)

I know I know, a lot of guys say that it takes 3-4 years to judge a draft but the 07 draft looks a lot like the 05 draft.


2005
Further information: 2005 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/16 (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive tackle Florida State
3/73 (from Dallas) Vernand Morency Running back Oklahoma State
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
5/151 Drew Hodgdon Center Arizona State
6/188 C.C. Brown Safety Louisiana-Lafayette
7/277 Kenneth Pettway Linebacker Grambling

My problem with the way that we draft is that out of 22 draft picks we are only able to get 6 starters on a team that has never been any good and has holes all over the place. This is a team that sells me every year that we are a team that builds through the draft and develops its players but no one gets developed. There is a good possibility that 6 out of 14 players from the 07 / 08 drafts are not even on this team heading into next year.
 
TEXANRED said:
It's not good......at all.

2007
Further information: 2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville (Bust)
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane (Not long for this team)
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina (Not long for this team)
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford (He got cut didn't he?)
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Gone)
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas (Depth at best)
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State (Not the best OLB but he will do for now)

2008
Further information: 2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Decent pick, I like him)
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky (Always hurt, bust)
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia (we will see after this year)
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech (Depth)
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas (You can't be active with this group of scrubs? Not long for this team)
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota (Depth)
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State (gone)

2009
Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/15 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California (Stud)
2/46 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati (situational, depth)
3/77 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama (Depth)
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico (Hey look a starter)
4/122 (from Minnesota) Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State (mostly inactive or hurt)
5/152 James Casey Tight end Rice (Depth)
6/188 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah (Depth)
7/223 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State (who?)

I know I know, a lot of guys say that it takes 3-4 years to judge a draft but the 07 draft looks a lot like the 05 draft.


2005
Further information: 2005 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/16 (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive tackle Florida State
3/73 (from Dallas) Vernand Morency Running back Oklahoma State
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
5/151 Drew Hodgdon Center Arizona State
6/188 C.C. Brown Safety Louisiana-Lafayette
7/277 Kenneth Pettway Linebacker Grambling

My problem with the way that we draft is that out of 22 draft picks we are only able to get 6 starters on a team that has never been any good and has holes all over the place. This is a team that sells me every year that we are a team that builds through the draft and develops its players but no one gets developed. There is a good possibility that 6 out of 14 players from the 07 / 08 drafts are not even on this team heading into next year.
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So, "Smithiak drafts well!" is only a company line? I admit it. I bought it.
 
You're off. First of all, any contribution you get from 6th and 7th rounders is a success. So Studdard and Diles holding down starting jobs, even though sub-optimal, makes them a fine pick.

Second, Okoye is not a bust. He had a good rookie season in '07, followed by a sophomore slump in '08, followed by what's turning out to be a pretty good year for him. He's not the dominant force we all hoped he'd be, but he's far from a bust yet.

Third, Jacoby Jones has finally started to contribute somewhere besides ST and is actually turning into a nice little player, and you're calling him a bust? I don't think you know very much about NFL player development. It usually takes about three years for wide receivers to develop. Sure, we'd love all our receivers to be like AJ, but get real. JJ is actually following a pretty standard path of progression, which is remarkable when you consider where he came from.

Finally, any evaluation you want to apply to the '08 and '09 draft is way too early. So there's no point in even going there with you, especially after seeing your unfounded opinion on the '07 draft. The team hit on at least four draft picks from the '07 draft, and Bennett even showed he could play one year, so perhaps there are some other issues going on there.
 
TEXANRED said:
It's not good......at all.

2007
Further information: 2007 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville (Bust)
3/73 Jacoby Jones Wide receiver Lane (Not long for this team)
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina (Not long for this team)
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford (He got cut didn't he?)
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Gone)
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas (Depth at best)
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State (Not the best OLB but he will do for now)

2008
Further information: 2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech (Decent pick, I like him)
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky (Always hurt, bust)
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia (we will see after this year)
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech (Depth)
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas (You can't be active with this group of scrubs? Not long for this team)
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota (Depth)
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State (gone)

2009
Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/15 Brian Cushing Linebacker Southern California (Stud)
2/46 Connor Barwin Defensive end Cincinnati (situational, depth)
3/77 Antoine Caldwell Center Alabama (Depth)
4/112 Glover Quin Cornerback New Mexico (Hey look a starter)
4/122 (from Minnesota) Anthony Hill Tight end North Carolina State (mostly inactive or hurt)
5/152 James Casey Tight end Rice (Depth)
6/188 Brice McCain Cornerback Utah (Depth)
7/223 Troy Nolan Safety Arizona State (who?)

I know I know, a lot of guys say that it takes 3-4 years to judge a draft but the 07 draft looks a lot like the 05 draft.


2005
Further information: 2005 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College
1/16 (from New Orleans) Travis Johnson Defensive tackle Florida State
3/73 (from Dallas) Vernand Morency Running back Oklahoma State
4/114 Jerome Mathis Wide receiver Hampton
5/151 Drew Hodgdon Center Arizona State
6/188 C.C. Brown Safety Louisiana-Lafayette
7/277 Kenneth Pettway Linebacker Grambling

My problem with the way that we draft is that out of 22 draft picks we are only able to get 6 starters on a team that has never been any good and has holes all over the place. This is a team that sells me every year that we are a team that builds through the draft and develops its players but no one gets developed. There is a good possibility that 6 out of 14 players from the 07 / 08 drafts are not even on this team heading into next year.
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Ddressing 2007 only for now,

Okoye; not a bust but not what I hoped for. Bush seems to have the run game slowed immensely and Okoye gets lots of plays. I would evaluate him after season.

JJ: I think you are speaking from emotion that the guy keeps shooting himself in the toe. Get to the damn meeting!He has corrected the fumbling issue and was doing well as a WR. He is not going anywhere yet.

Bennett: A true puzzle. Another poster said Fred suffered a personal loss that screwed his entire season. If this is true and hoping he can resurrect his playing career, I'd keep him until I could see if his head is better.

Studdard: I can't evaluate this guy. Early season, I think Pitts was helping him.
 
eriadoc said:
You're off. First of all, any contribution you get from 6th and 7th rounders is a success. So Studdard and Diles holding down starting jobs, even though sub-optimal, makes them a fine pick.

Second, Okoye is not a bust. He had a good rookie season in '07, followed by a sophomore slump in '08, followed by what's turning out to be a pretty good year for him. He's not the dominant force we all hoped he'd be, but he's far from a bust yet.
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Ok0ye is an epic bust. He makes zero difference and we pay him a top ten rookie contract. You can't tell the difference when he gets replaced by a journeyman like Shaun Cody...we get the same non push and inability to anchor.
 
TEXANRED said:
It's not good......at all.
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This thread...it's not good...at all.

Seriously reactionary stuff here that's all about Kubiak's job security and not at all about the players themselves.

Cmon, man. Jacoby Jones, Zac Diles, Cushing, Amobi Okoye, Quin, Slaton, Barwin, Duane Brown, etc.

Dumb.
 
Vinny said:
Ok0ye is an epic bust. He makes zero difference and we pay him a top ten rookie contract. You can't tell the difference when he gets replaced by a journeyman like Shaun Cody...we get the same non push and inability to anchor.
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You must spread reputation around before giving it to Vinny again.

+1
 
Vinny said:
Ok0ye is an epic bust. He makes zero difference and we pay him a top ten rookie contract. You can't tell the difference when he gets replaced by a journeyman like Shaun Cody...we get the same non push and inability to anchor.
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Sorry, I reserve the term "epic bust" for guys like Tony Mandarich.

Even if you think Okoye is a bust for where he was picked, it still doesn't validate the point of the thread.
 
eriadoc said:
You're off. First of all, any contribution you get from 6th and 7th rounders is a success. So Studdard and Diles holding down starting jobs, even though sub-optimal, makes them a fine pick.

Second, Okoye is not a bust. He had a good rookie season in '07, followed by a sophomore slump in '08, followed by what's turning out to be a pretty good year for him. He's not the dominant force we all hoped he'd be, but he's far from a bust yet.

Third, Jacoby Jones has finally started to contribute somewhere besides ST and is actually turning into a nice little player, and you're calling him a bust? I don't think you know very much about NFL player development. It usually takes about three years for wide receivers to develop. Sure, we'd love all our receivers to be like AJ, but get real. JJ is actually following a pretty standard path of progression, which is remarkable when you consider where he came from.

Finally, any evaluation you want to apply to the '08 and '09 draft is way too early. So there's no point in even going there with you, especially after seeing your unfounded opinion on the '07 draft. The team hit on at least four draft picks from the '07 draft, and Bennett even showed he could play one year, so perhaps there are some other issues going on there.
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I don't think he's a bust but certainly an epic disappointment considering we missed on on Revis and Willis for him.

I think Studdard holding a starting job down is more on Gary Kubiak keeping him around then Studdard blowing people away with his talent. That's just me me though.

Diles. Not argument here. Lunch pail guy who brought it and has outplayed and out hustled guys to keep his spot. Good pick.

Jones has been up and down, but you're right this year he's contributing beyond punts. I wouldn't call him a good pick yet but looks like he might be coming around.

Fred Bennett is a puzzle. Looked like he was the real deal his rookie campaign and then just falls off dramatically.

I've pointed it out in other threads. Smith has been up and down on the draft, but it's hard to really put it all on him considering the amount of input Gary Kubiak has.
 
Mailman said:
This thread...it's not good...at all.

Seriously reactionary stuff here that's all about Kubiak's job security and not at all about the players themselves.

Cmon, man. Jacoby Jones, Zac Diles, Cushing, Amobi Okoye, Quin, Slaton, Barwin, Duane Brown, etc.

Dumb.
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Nice opinion.

JJ? He is another Mathis. He won't be in the league long and he has been given chance after chance to clean it up. He was even made to house with the rookies this year.

Okoye is a bust. I don't know how you can debate that.

Quin is a first year player and too early to tell. Bennett any one?

Slaton? Really? Not saying that he is a bust but he has had one really good year and then 7 fumbles in five games this year.

Brown and Cushing are studs.

Barwin has had two sacks IIRC so far this year. He is a second round draft pick that is situational. Its a bit of a luxery pick when you have a team with needs all over the place. Not saying he does not have talent but again, we spent a second round pick on a guy who has only played that position for one year. Any body remember Seth Wand?

Diles? I am not sold on Diles either. I think he is a younger Morlon Greenwood. He is slow and playing out of position. He is keeping the seat warm IMO.

So none of those guys you mentioned with the exception of Brown and Cushing are worth debating.
 
Earlier this year i made a post on how Smith has done well in finding veteran to fill in holes. This post shows me that the Texans have had to do so. While you can't expect a particular mid to late round draft pick to workout, becuase of the numbers of players in the NFL you have to hit on the some of these guys not just as depth, but as starters. right now, I am seeing one long-term starter (diles) from this list drafted the 4th round or later.

Let me put it this way to fill out a starting line-up, assuming one high dollar free agent and hitting on all of you picks in the first 3 rounds, it would take 5 plus years to get to 22 starters. The numbers say finding players in the late rounds is a have to do not a nice thing to do.
 
TEXANRED said:
Nice opinion.

JJ? He is another Mathis. He won't be in the league long and he has been given chance after chance to clean it up. He was even made to house with the rookies this year.

Okoye is a bust. I don't know how you can debate that.

Quin is a first year player and too early to tell. Bennett any one?

Slaton? Really? Not saying that he is a bust but he has had one really good year and then 7 fumbles in five games this year.

Brown and Cushing are studs.

Barwin has had two sacks IIRC so far this year. He is a second round draft pick that is situational. Its a bit of a luxery pick when you have a team with needs all over the place. Not saying he does not have talent but again, we spent a second round pick on a guy who has only played that position for one year. Any body remember Seth Wand?

Diles? I am not sold on Diles either. I think he is a younger Morlon Greenwood. He is slow and playing out of position. He is keeping the seat warm IMO.

So none of those guys you mentioned with the exception of Brown and Cushing are worth debating.
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So, why do you think your opinion is any more valid than any other fan posting here?
 
I will only address one thing: those of you hating on Slaton.

Yes, he had major fumble problems this year (how much of that was due to the neck injury we will never know) but have you looked at the guys production this year?!?!?!?! He was not that effective running the ball for us this season but behind the worst interior line in the NFL, most backs would struggle. That being said in only 11 games, the guy had over 850 total yards (rushing and receiving), averaged over 9 yards per reception, and scored 7 touchdowns!

Such a bust that 3rd round Steve Slaton is.
 
TEXANRED said:
Nice opinion.

JJ? He is another Mathis. He won't be in the league long and he has been given chance after chance to clean it up. He was even made to house with the rookies this year.

Okoye is a bust. I don't know how you can debate that.

Quin is a first year player and too early to tell. Bennett any one?

Slaton? Really? Not saying that he is a bust but he has had one really good year and then 7 fumbles in five games this year.

Brown and Cushing are studs.

Barwin has had two sacks IIRC so far this year. He is a second round draft pick that is situational. Its a bit of a luxery pick when you have a team with needs all over the place. Not saying he does not have talent but again, we spent a second round pick on a guy who has only played that position for one year. Any body remember Seth Wand?

Diles? I am not sold on Diles either. I think he is a younger Morlon Greenwood. He is slow and playing out of position. He is keeping the seat warm IMO.

So none of those guys you mentioned with the exception of Brown and Cushing are worth debating.
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He is alot more natural at wide reciever to say Mathis 2.0. I'm not sold that JJ could'nt be a bigger piece of our puzzle.
 
BigBull17 said:
He is alot more natural at wide reciever to say Mathis 2.0. I'm not sold that JJ could'nt be a bigger piece of our puzzle.
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Jerome Mathis: 6 total receptions, 80 total yards receiving, 1 receiving td

Jacoby Jones: 34 total receptions, 495 totals yards receiving, 4 receiving tds

Man, those guys sure are similar WRs. I encourage some of you guys on this board to start here and after that, then come discuss football with the big boys.
 
Ckw5814 said:
Jerome Mathis: 6 total receptions, 80 total yards receiving, 1 receiving td

Jacoby Jones: 34 total receptions, 495 totals yards receiving, 4 receiving tds

Man, those guys sure are similar WRs. I encourage some of you guys on this board to start here and after that, then come discuss football with the big boys.
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Is the link directed at me? Cause I think was arguing that JJ wasn't Mathis 2.0.
 
BigBull17 said:
I don't think that was a bad trade on our part. They got 2 2nd round picks but had to turn around and draft a guy 3rd overall.
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doesn't matter what WE think about this trade the fact remains in regards to Smithiak's draft history Matt Schaub has to be included. this perception of suckage or not has to be taken in its proper context. personally I would of traded a whole entire draft just to run David Carr out of town & bring in Matt Schaub :cowboy1:
 
BigBull17 said:
Is the link directed at me? Cause I think was arguing that JJ wasn't Mathis 2.0.
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Not at all. Link was more a joke than anything, and I was just piggybacking off of your post. I think you are correct about JJ not being Mathis 2.0. They aren't really even that similar. They are both black, have some attitude problems, and have good-great return skills. JJ is a much better receiver, runs better routes, appears (at least this year) to be a harder worker, but JJ is not as good of a kick returner as Mathis nor as fast (even though both can fly).
 
So are you saying that Cassiak was better? Someone drafted Mario, Demeco, Winston, Owen Daniels, David Anderson. Heck, even Charles Spencer was a good LT before his leg got tore up. That was three Pro Bowlers, 2 starters and a quality depth guy right there.

Or was the 2006 Draft left out on purpose?
 
Mailman said:
Again, dumb thread
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Did you read the article or just assume because Forbes printed it is accuarate?

1) the article is dated prior to this past's year draft.

and here is the standard which he used

Behind the Numbers
To find the NFL's best and worst teams at drafting, we looked at the last three years of drafts for all 32 NFL teams. To judge the success or failure of the drafting teams, we looked at the percentage of players from those three draft classes who were still listed as active members of the team.

We gave a little extra weight to players who had made the Associated Press' All-Pro first and second teams--the players deemed as that year's best at their respective positions. Membership in this elite group is difficult to crack for a young player, as many long-tenured veterans make the All-Pro team year after year based only on reputation (take the N.Y. Jets' Alan Faneca).
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As long as player was on the team, he was considered a good draft pick. Matters some if he is an all-Pro and no more if player is a starter or barely on the roster. Even admits that the draft "success" it gives the Texans has not mattered on the field, which probably goes to the flaw in the method used.
 
Vinny said:
Ok0ye is an epic bust. He makes zero difference and we pay him a top ten rookie contract. You can't tell the difference when he gets replaced by a journeyman like Shaun Cody...we get the same non push and inability to anchor.
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That is to me the most disturbing thing about the non-effect of many of our draft picks. We're throwing first round picks and free agent contracts at guys to play on the DL over the past few years and yet we're running around scraping up the Lions cast-offs, signing street free agents, and trotting out Methusela... I mean Zgonina and it doesn't make any difference. Amobi Okoye in year three coming from pick #10 should make more of a difference than he does. There's just no two ways about that.
 
El Tejano said:
So are you saying that Cassiak was better? Someone drafted Mario, Demeco, Winston, Owen Daniels, David Anderson. Heck, even Charles Spencer was a good LT before his leg got tore up. That was three Pro Bowlers, 2 starters and a quality depth guy right there.

Or was the 2006 Draft left out on purpose?
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I'm still asking.
 
El Tejano said:
So are you saying that Cassiak was better? Someone drafted Mario, Demeco, Winston, Owen Daniels, David Anderson. Heck, even Charles Spencer was a good LT before his leg got tore up. That was three Pro Bowlers, 2 starters and a quality depth guy right there.

Or was the 2006 Draft left out on purpose?
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Smith was not hired until after the 2006 draft.:thinking:
 
El Tejano said:
So are you saying that Cassiak was better? Someone drafted Mario, Demeco, Winston, Owen Daniels, David Anderson. Heck, even Charles Spencer was a good LT before his leg got tore up. That was three Pro Bowlers, 2 starters and a quality depth guy right there.

Or was the 2006 Draft left out on purpose?
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That was the Cass class. Smith was 2007.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Did you read the article or just assume because Forbes printed it is accuarate?

1) the article is dated prior to this past's year draft.

and here is the standard which he used



As long as player was on the team, he was considered a good draft pick. Matters some if he is an all-Pro and no more if player is a starter or barely on the roster. Even admits that the draft "success" it gives the Texans has not mattered on the field, which probably goes to the flaw in the method used.
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This is really the thing that I looked at the most. Who we have drafted and how have they helped our team. Out of the 22 picks over the last 3 years we produced 6 starters. Out of those 6 starters I would only grade 2 of them, Brown and Cushing, as above average players.
 
My problem with Smith is that he always targets the developmental projects based on physical talent over those with proven ability, when the Texans need players who can start and contribute now.

Just look at our 3rd round+ picks since he's been here:

A.Okoye project
J.Jones project
D.Brown project
A.Molden project
S.Slaton project(as a full time starter, otherwise a situational pick)
B.Cushing FINALLY! An NFL ready player who could step in and make an impact(that isn't negative)
C.Barwin project

Using 1st day picks on long term developmental projects is a luxury of good teams with veteran starters. A team that has to throw their rookies into the fire needs to draft NFL ready players.

You can't draft D.Brown to protect the blind side of Matty Icepack as a rookie. He's a project who needs time before you throw him out there to get Schaub clobbered 30 times a year. You can't draft a 19 year old kid to start at a position where players don't sniff their potential until their mid-late 20's.

He just doesn't understand the situation that he's in.
 
dalemurphy said:
So, it is a talent issue and not the coaching. Hmmm.
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I am not an either/or, black/white thinker, but remember smithiak has turned over the roster complete, so they are cooking the meal with the groceries they shopped for.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I am not an either/or, black/white thinker, but remember smithiak has turned over the roster complete, so they are cooking the meal with the groceries they shopped for.
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Problem is, they are cooking a slow-simmering soup, instead of steak and
eggs.
 
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I agree, I am so totally tired of soup.

But I would rather have soup than just gruel!
 
Wow, I gotta say anyone who doesn't think the combined efforts of the kubiak and smith regime have done an excellent job in player personel do not understand football

Before Smith and Kubiak got here we had. Andre, Chester, Dunta, kris brown. 4 good players on our whole team!!!!

Now we have. Andre, Owen daniel, Matt schaub, Kevin walter, Duane Brown, Chester, Eric Winston, Slaton, Vonta on offense alone!!

On Defense we have-Dunta, Eugene wilson, Pollard, Ryans, Diles, Cushing, Mario, Glover quinn.

People who evalute GM's or coaches on the draft alone know nothing. The fact is since we got rid of Capers and Casserly(anyone believing that he had anything to do with picking up our talent in 06 are crazy!) Don't believe me just go back over his drafts and free agency moves from 02-05!!

Fact is these two men have taken us from a position of worst talent in the NFL to now we have the ability to win any game.
 
wolf123 said:
Wow, I gotta say anyone who doesn't think the combined efforts of the kubiak and smith regime have done an excellent job in player personel do not understand football

Before Smith and Kubiak got here we had. Andre, Chester, Dunta, kris brown. 4 good players on our whole team!!!!

Now we have. Andre, Owen daniel, Matt schaub, Kevin walter, Duane Brown, Chester, Eric Winston, Slaton, Vonta on offense alone!!

On Defense we have-Dunta, Eugene wilson, Pollard, Ryans, Diles, Cushing, Mario, Glover quinn.

People who evalute GM's or coaches on the draft alone know nothing. The fact is since we got rid of Capers and Casserly(anyone believing that he had anything to do with picking up our talent in 06 are crazy!) Don't believe me just go back over his drafts and free agency moves from 02-05!!

Fact is these two men have taken us from a position of worst talent in the NFL to now we have the ability to win any game.
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The fact is that if you compare a steaming pile of dog crap to something else, that something else looks quite amazing.
 
wolf123 said:
If you compare our starters to most other teams you will see we hold our own in talent.
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I wasn't really voicing my opinion one way or the other on Smithiak's successes or failures. I'm saying that if all you're looking for is someone to be better than our old regime, than you havn't set the bar very high. I am not satisfied with having the "best team in our history" because that still only makes us an 8-8 team.
 
What would be a successful draft rate(i.e. starter and depth rate) in comparison with other NFL teams for last three years? Some teams depth players are better and some are bad. So, it won't exactly tell you we are suceessful in draft or not. But, this comparison rate should give us some ideal of how we have been drafting for last three years.

I don't have such info. Do yall have some draft comparison info?

Go Texans!!!
 
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