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Texans Begin Playoffs To Save Gary's Job

DexmanC

DexmanC

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Bob Mcnair does not want to fire Gary. Most of us here know that.
However, if his team wins two more games, they'll clinch Gary's job here.
The next four weeks will be quite interesting.

I strongly disagree with the opinon that a 7-9, 8-8 season should keep
Kubiak here, but we all know that it will. I can't wait to see what
Grandpa Bob decides.
 
same story different season!
with pretty much zero chance of making the playoffs the keep kubes/fire kubes debate will keep me dialed in for this last month of the season
where do i stand on the topic?
check the avatar
 
barrett said:
Keep Him.
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Do you really think they're capable of getting enough talent to
bail him out of constantly dumb coaching decisions? Good coaching
is what gets you valuable depth, because EVERY team loses starters
throughout any given season.
 
You guys need to take the "Soap" and stuff it in that Pie Hole that keeps spewing Crap all over the board. Maybe it will clean it out.
 
Joe Texan said:
You guys need to take the "Soap" and stuff it in that Pie Hole that keeps spewing Crap all over the board. Maybe it will clean it out.
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I only want the best for the Texans, Joe. Sadly, the only way to move
this franchise forward is to clean up the coaching.
 
Lol @ playoff to save Gary's job.

I wish we were a big boy team talking about big boy accomplishments like making the real playoffs.
 
DexmanC said:
I only want the best for the Texans, Joe. Sadly, the only way to move
this franchise forward is to clean up the coaching.
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Don't let myopic perspectives frame who you are as a fan. You don't have to wear blinders or take Koolaide baths to be a fan of a team. Sticking with a team through good times and bad times does not mean that you have to be a braindead mouthpiece for the marketing department. Criticizing and wanting change are born from caring about the team.

At the end of the day, we ALL want the same thing. If anyone should choose to take offense with what I'm saying, then they should quit their vicarious existence and get a life. It's just a game to entertain us. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music."
~ George Carlin
 
Joe Texan said:
See ya wouldn't want to be ya
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You seem to be content with failure and mediocrity, and Bob McNair counts on fans like you who will put money in his pocket regardless of the product on the field.

So good on ya. Keep throwing money down the pit.

I want the best for the Texans. I want them to WIN and to make the players like AJ feel like they were justified for sticking with this team. We have so many talented players who are being done a injustice by allowing Kubiak et al. to continue on this path. They deserve better. We deserve better. The owner doesn't seem to feel the same way. I care more about his team than he does. And the only way to not get suckered by bad owners is to say "no more."

So, while you just ride your emotions and bash people who are fed up with the coaching staff, the rest of us will use reason and logic to express our issues with the team.
 
Rumor has it, Mr McNair called a consultant and he recommended that he call a meeting with the marketing heads and brought in a tree stump and axe to inspire them. Keep choppin' wood! It's time to get to work.
 
I think what Gary needs to save his job is a bowl invitiation. If the Texans can win just one or two more games then maybe they can get an invite to the "Dunkin Donuts Chocolate Sprinkles Bowl" or the "Slap-Chop Freedom Fries Bowl" and a good solid win might rally the fanbase. Maybe Bob could pull some strings, call some friends.

Hell we'd probably get our asses beat by "Northwest Oklahoma Community College" or something. Gary would tell us he should have run more.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think what Gary needs to save his job is a bowl invitiation. If the Texans can win just one or two more games then maybe they can get an invite to the "Dunkin Donuts Chocolate Sprinkles Bowl" or the "Slap-Chop Freedom Fries Bowl" and a good solid win might rally the fanbase. Maybe Bob could pull some strings, call some friends.

Hell we'd probably get our asses beat by "Northwest Oklahoma Community College" or something. Gary would tell us he should have run more.
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I hear we're favored by 3 1/2 over St. Mary's School for the Blind.
 
DexmanC said:
Do you really think they're capable of getting enough talent to
bail him out of constantly dumb coaching decisions? Good coaching
is what gets you valuable depth, because EVERY team loses starters
throughout any given season.
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Dexman...you seem to be in every thread reagrding firing Kubiak. Why so passionate about it? Take a break every once in a while ok?
 
Silver Oak said:
ROFL at your last sentence!!! Reason and logic...that's a good one! :spin:
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Please scour my "fire Kubiak" posts and point out to me where I don't reasonably justify getting rid of him for the good of this franchise.

You seem to only want to fire personal attacks at the pink soapers. I have yet to understand what you're so butt-hurt about.
 
Our entire roster has been overhauled in four years. Would you rather have....or can you really imagine those guys from Kubiak's first year achieving, well...anything? Even 8-8? I certainly can't.

We've got a much improved roster, and it is built well for the future - especially since it is the youngest in the league. Along with having the youngest roster in the league comes some mistakes that more experienced players (usually.....ummmm, Chester - I hope you've been staying in touch with the snap counts during your time off) don't make.

Many great coaches had a less than enviable first four years and went on to great success (Ordinarily, I wouldn't consider posting something from RJ's column....but this is actually factual):

"Kubiak is 27-33 as head coach of the Texans. That happens to be the same record Jeff Fisher had after 60 games and is two games worse than Jimmy Johnson and Bill Belichick at the same point."

If Kubiak goes, the roster likely gets overhauled AGAIN (which will take several seasons) and we start all over. I'm not saying that GK is the next Jimmy Johnson, but if you could go back in time, you'd hear all of the same chatter that goes on here. Even Jerry Jones was smart enough to stick with his guy......
 
Vinny said:
They went 7-9 for Capers
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That's true.....and they went 2-14 for him the next season (and then most of those guys went 6-10 for Kubiak) I guess compared to 2-14, 7-9 looks pretty nice. Still, Kubiak's worst season (so far) would have been Caper's 2nd best.

In some ways, Kubiak actually has had more issues to deal with than Capers did. Capers didn't have to clean house to get "his guys" in. It takes some time.

Are you seriously desiring another 3-4 years of rebuilding and overhauling?

If this team wasn't close to being good, we wouldn't have had the chances to win nearly every game so far this season. He gets at least one more year. The coaches don't make plays. GK's had some bonehead calls, but every coach does (Go to the Pats board and I'll bet you can probably find a thread about one or two). These guys are young and won't make as many mistakes as they get more experience. Same with the coaches. Say what you will, this is the most talented team that we've had and unlike other seasons, we've been in every game.

Sorry, but given a play here and there, and many of you would have a completely different opinion.

If Kris makes a couple of field goals or we held on to the ball a little better, this team could EASILY be 8-4 or more. That difference right now has little to do with coaching. If a few individual players successfully execute some "routine" responsibilities and we were 8-4 or so, would you still be calling for GK's head?
 
Vinny said:
wanting a coaching change is immature? :gun: It may be a different POV but tell the kettle that the pot is a kissing cousin.
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It's so immature to not want a loser football team. Just go with the flow and be a laughing stock, right?
 
I love posting on this board, because most people here use facts to
bolster their opinions. I attempt to read the main board, and the
homerism drowns out any rational posts. We all want what's best for
the Texans. However, some of us can't get past having a top 10 offense,
and a top 20 defense, but coming up short when it comes time to close
a game.

We don't have any closers in the backfield, and we've always had scrubs
playing runningback. MJD took 8 handoffs in a row, and got 3 first downs
to shut that game down. Did that do enough to open Kubiak's eyes to
the need to draft a damn good back in 2010?? I doubt it.
 
texansdrummer said:
That's true.....and they went 2-14 for him the next season (and then most of those guys went 6-10 for Kubiak) I guess compared to 2-14, 7-9 looks pretty nice. Still, Kubiak's worst season (so far) would have been Caper's 2nd best.

In some ways, Kubiak actually has had more issues to deal with than Capers did. Capers didn't have to clean house to get "his guys" in. It takes some time.

Are you seriously desiring another 3-4 years of rebuilding and overhauling?

If this team wasn't close to being good, we wouldn't have had the chances to win nearly every game so far this season. He gets at least one more year. The coaches don't make plays. GK's had some bonehead calls, but every coach does (Go to the Pats board and I'll bet you can probably find a thread about one or two). These guys are young and won't make as many mistakes as they get more experience. Same with the coaches. Say what you will, this is the most talented team that we've had and unlike other seasons, we've been in every game.

Sorry, but given a play here and there, and many of you would have a completely different opinion.

If Kris makes a couple of field goals or we held on to the ball a little better, this team could EASILY be 8-4 or more. That difference right now has little to do with coaching. If a few individual players successfully execute some "routine" responsibilities and we were 8-4 or so, would you still be calling for GK's head?
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why do you think it takes 3 years? I've laid down several examples like this one. Or the Dungy - Gruden example....there are tons of examples of teams getting better instantly when a change is made. I think it's just myopic to assume that you throw out the baby with the bath water when you make a coaching change. You guys listen to John McClain way too much or something.

Every team in the league can say a play here or there and they have a better record. Most of the league is that close in talent.
 
texansdrummer said:
Our entire roster has been overhauled in four years. Would you rather have....or can you really imagine those guys from Kubiak's first year achieving, well...anything? Even 8-8? I certainly can't.

We've got a much improved roster, and it is built well for the future - especially since it is the youngest in the league.
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Stats are in the forum somewhere, but we do not have the youngest roster in the league. Youngest starting lineup, yes, but not the youngest overall roster.

I'd also like to ask if this is a much improved roster (which I agree with you, btw), why can't they win more than just one game than the 7-9 Capers team?

Perhaps this coaching staff is good at obtaining talent but poor at finding success on the field with that talent?

texansdrummer said:
Sorry, but given a play here and there, and many of you would have a completely different opinion.
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You could use this argument for almost every head coach that gets fired.

At the end of the day, we judge head coaches by ONE stat: scoreboard. Not how many top 10 offenses they got, or how many rushing yards their team obtained, or how many sacks the defense accumulated, but scoreboard.

And in that regard, Kubiak is no more successful in a winning season than the previous head coach, who started out with absolutely nothing, btw. Kubiak had a potential HoF in AJ from the beginning.

That being said, if we should get a new HC, he will be starting off with quite a few players that will not need to be replaced. And there is ample precedent of new HCs finding immediate success in today's NFL.
 
Vinny said:
why do you think it takes 3 years? I've laid down several examples like this one. Or the Dungy - Gruden example....there are tons of examples of teams getting better instantly when a change is made. I think it's just myopic to assume that you throw out the baby with the bath water when you make a coaching change. You guys listen to John McClain way too much or something.

Every team in the league can say a play here or there and they have a better record. Most of the league is that close in talent.
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Yes...it's certainly possible, but not necessarily probable. If we could get Cowher, well....I'm not gonna lie, I'd take that in a heartbeat, but for reasons well-detailed in numerous places, that's extremely unlikely.

Agreed as well that it's not always the case that everything starts over....but again, it is possible or even likely. Depends who comes in. At this point, it doesn't appear as if many of the "ringers" would be likely to end up in Houston. Many coaches look attractive from the "outside", but if you're a fan of their team right now, there surely exist complaints about every one of them. There is no coach that every fan universally likes. Never has been, never will be. BTW, it's a little hard to pick up 610 in my car in LA.:shades:

The league is that close in talent.....realizing that, I don't think it's wise to upset the apple cart at this point in time, although I have no doubt if GK is back next season, there will be some concrete expectations. Otherwise, if we did get rid of GK, I'd want to be assured that it was indeed actually going to be a marked upgrade.

At least we're discussing football and not soap. I appreciate your post.:handshake:
 
texansdrummer said:
Yes...it's certainly possible, but not necessarily probable. If we could get Cowher, well....I'm not gonna lie, I'd take that in a heartbeat, but for reasons well-detailed in numerous places, that's extremely unlikely.

Agreed as well that it's not always the case that everything starts over....but again, it is possible or even likely. Depends who comes in. At this point, it doesn't appear as if many of the "ringers" would be likely to end up in Houston. Many coaches look attractive from the "outside", but if you're a fan of their team right now, there surely exist complaints about every one of them. There is no coach that every fan universally likes. Never has been, never will be. BTW, it's a little hard to pick up 610 in my car in LA.:shades:

The league is that close in talent.....realizing that, I don't think it's wise to upset the apple cart at this point in time, although I have no doubt if GK is back next season, there will be some concrete expectations. Otherwise, if we did get rid of GK, I'd want to be assured that it was indeed actually going to be a marked upgrade.

At least we're discussing football and not soap. I appreciate your post.:handshake:
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Ok let's agree on one thing now. Most fan bases consider .500 a bad season when 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs right?

After what looks like 3 consecutive .500 seasons, questionable game plans, poor coaching decisions, no red zone offense, poor clock management, weak halftime adjustments and a team unable to win a single important game in 3 years (that's 48 games)...what makes you think Kubiak is going to succeed?
 
Joe Texan said:
You guys need to take the "Soap" and stuff it in that Pie Hole that keeps spewing Crap all over the board. Maybe it will clean it out.
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Let the people vent. Its hard to fathom the decisions this coach makes and continues as status quo. Your glasses are pretty rosey if you can't see what not only we, but the now the media and the players are seeing now. Its hard being laughed at for 4 weeks now.
 
Vinny said:
Ok let's agree on one thing now. Most fan bases consider .500 a bad season when 12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs right?

After what looks like 3 consecutive .500 seasons, questionable game plans, poor coaching decisions, no red zone offense, poor clock management, weak halftime adjustments and a team unable to win a single important game in 3 years (that's 48 games)...what makes you think Kubiak is going to succeed?
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I think that fan bases have differing ideas of what is "bad"...largely dependent on their recent history. Pretty sure the Browns would love to be at .500, and at the same time WP may run out of town if the Cowboys don't make it to the SB. Out of the 12 teams that make the playoffs, at least half will be completely disappointed with the result. A few years ago, many Pats felt like their season was a failure because they didn't win the SB.

For us, at this point, it is extremely frustrating to be at .500. I think every one of us agrees that should be better, including the players and coaches.

Despite not achieving the desired result in many instances, this is the first season in which our team doesn't quit or completely implode when they've been down in a game. They fight back. Nobody can say for sure if Kubiak is going to succeed. I think he gets one more year unless the players pack it in. It's a lot more difficult to get from 8-8 to 10-6/playoffs than it is from 2-14 to 8-8. Halftime adjustments are overrated...they don't have nearly as much time as people might think. More adjustments are made on the sideline as the aerial pics come in (If you've never seen them, they are quite amazing (when I played in the band, I'd sometimes get to check them out while I was on the field)). If the players quit on him, he's gone for sure. I think how the players continue to respond will tell us everything we need to know in regards to if he deserves another year.
 
Browns fans want playoffs....and if you think that they are good to go with .500 you are kidding yourself.
 
Vinny said:
Browns fans want playoffs....and if you think that they are good to go with .500 you are kidding yourself.
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No....I think you missed my point. Let me put it this way.....every fan wants their team to win the Superbowl.....(even the Lions), BUT.....at this point, given what they have been dealt with, I think it's fair to say that the Browns would look at .500 as pretty favorable to their current situation. They won 4 games last year and have a new coach. I'd respectfully suggest that it would not be reasonable for a Browns fan to have expected the playoffs this season.

Based upon recent history, fans should certainly be entitled to reasonable expectations for their team.

I think that its more than reasonable for us to expect our team to be in the race for the playoffs, as I'm sure most us do.
 
Silver Oak said:
Dexman...you seem to be in every thread reagrding firing Kubiak. Why so passionate about it? Take a break every once in a while ok?
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Because like me he loves this team and beleives we have an average HC that is holding us back. I notice you are in all the the threads regarding Kubiak also. Why so passionate about it? Take a break every once in a while ok?

:P
 
I look at the Buffalo Bills messageboard, and I have nothing but
respect for those fans. Their posts routinely fill 10 to 15 new pages
a DAY!! They banged and banged and banged for THEIR average coach,
Dick Jauron, to get let go.

The youngster that took his place knew that he needed to find away
to get the ball to their biggest weapon, T.O. What happened?? They
INSTANTLY became a competitive football team.

Mediocrity is not something you SETTLE for. Wherever you set the bar,
you will ALWAYS remain a notch below.

Remember dat!
 
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