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Gregg Williams will not be our next HC

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DerekLee1

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Cowher wants the Carolina job, and he'll bide his time until it happens and use us as leverage . Gregg Williams is a defensive guru, has some experience behind some GREAT coaches, he learned from a failed first try (see: Bill Belichick), has Houston ties, and would likely keep Kyle Shanahan on - assuming that he doesn't bolt to go coach with his dad somewherep. The knock on him in Buffalo was his conservatism, but I don't think it will be like that the second time around again. He's coaching under one of the smartest and ballsiest playcalling coaches in the NFL right now, and has turned the Saints' defense from worst to (almost) first. He also runs a 4-3, meaning a massive personnel overhaul would not be necessary.

In fact, I'm thinking he may be my TOP preference, even if Cowher WERE available and interested.
 
Top choice over Cowher? No.

I'm on the fence about Williams. I really think we need a proven, successful guy who has been a SUCCESSFUL head coach before.

Williams, for the most part, will be starting over, yes?
 
I think McNair would keep Kubes on before he made that move. The only move I see is McNair making a big splash, he will be going for the biggest names out there.

After seeing his face after the Indy game, I think he's ready to write a check.
 
Williams burnt alot of bridges in his last HC stint. I dont see him getting another shot anytime soon despite how good a coordinator he is. I dont know why but I truley believe Cowher is our next HC.

I wouldnt be apposed to Shawn McDorment (sp?) though.
 
like it or not and I am probably wrong but

way this team's offense is built I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Shanahan gets a serious look
 
Put the beer, alcoholic beverage or pipe away.

Seriously you'd want a guy whose best team topped out at 8-8 as opposed to a guy whose lead his team to two Super Bowls and won one?

If I'm Gregg Williams unless I really wanted to be a HC again why would you leave a place that you are in a great position to succeed?
 
Goldensilence said:
Put the beer, alcoholic beverage or pipe away.

Seriously you'd want a guy whose best team topped out at 8-8 as opposed to a guy whose lead his team to two Super Bowls and won one?

If I'm Gregg Williams unless I really wanted to be a HC again why would you leave a place that you are in a great position to succeed?
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Bill Belichick's record in Cleveland was 36-44. Capers was a "proven winner" from when he was in Carolina. How'd that work out for ya?
 
I'd be good with Williams too.

He brought one hell of an attitude change to the New Orleans D. Just what we need here.
 
DerekLee1 said:
How many people said that about Belichick after he was fired from Cleveland?
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yeah but the hoodie did lead them to the playoffs and in his defense was the coach during the lame duck season before the browns moved! since you like defense how about taking a look at leslie frazier the vikings dc
if we dont get cowher or another coach we should'nt go with some re-tread
who had his shot! if this thing is gonna get blown up at least go with some new blood
good day sir
 
DerekLee1 said:
How many people said that about Belichick after he was fired from Cleveland?
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The way you feel about Williams is how I felt about Capers before we hired him. I really thought he would be a good HC despite what happened to him in Carolina.

Williams has Bud Adams stench on him so I think I will pass.
 
This week's column is dedicated to Buffalo Bills Head Coach Greg Williams, who has guided his team to an absolutely horrendous 1-10 record.

Though this is Greg Williams' first year as the Buffalo Bills head coach, he should be immediately dismissed from his duties. He has single-handily turned this once-proud franchise into one of the biggest laughing stocks in the entire NFL.

When hired to lead the Bills this season, Williams spoke about having a playoff-caliber team. He spoke about how solid his defensive unit was. In fact, he told anybody who would listen that this defense would end up breaking the sack record.(Actually Greg, you have to get pressure on the quarterback first, before you are actually credited with a sack). He talked about how impressive QB Rob Johnson looked and how quickly he had learned the West Coast offense.

Well Greg, it would appear that you had absolutely no idea what kind of team you were taking over. The defense was over-hauled during the off-season, losing many quality players to free agency. Your quarterback, who you told the media had quickly learned the new West Coast offense, struggled every single week in that offense, only for you to then acknowledge that it might take him several months to fully understand and fully grasp just exactly everything there is to know about the new schemes implemented.

Not once have I ever heard Mr. Williams put the blame on his shoulders after a loss, and trust me when I tell you, when you are 1-10, you have plenty of opportunities to do so.

Greg Williams, you have no business coaching in the NFL. You surrounded yourself with assistant coaches who knew nothing about the game of football. You made sure that you looked like the most knowledgeable person in the front office, and that was a huge mistake. A good coach surrounds himself with people who he feels are more knowledgeable then he. That way you can learn from them as much as they can learn from you.

You certainly have made everybody aware that this is your team. You have rid yourself of the players you didn't like or didn't fit into your plans. After it's all said and done Greg, you have shown that, without a doubt, you are a FEW TOMATO'S SHORT OF A THICK SAUCE.


Sound familiar? :spin: No thanks.
 
The Texans need a proven winner as their coach which will add some respectability from the national media(east and west cost bias ESPN). He needs to open up the check book for Cowher even though i dont know if that will be enough to steer him away from the Panthers.
 
Wolf said:
like it or not and I am probably wrong but

way this team's offense is built I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Shanahan gets a serious look
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The only way I would seriously entertain a new coach is if that coach would be a "proven" HEAD coach.......AND is willing, for the most part to maintain a semblance of continuity in the present offense and defense systems.......in other words in avoidance of dismantling and overhauling the entire team. Cowher, over the years, has proven his successful versatility as a HC.........in run heavy AND pass heavy offensive schemes, as well as in 3-4 AND 4-3 defensive schemes.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Bill Belichick's record in Cleveland was 36-44. Capers was a "proven winner" from when he was in Carolina. How'd that work out for ya?
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Guess what. Bill lead a Cleveland team to playoff victory and when Modell announced he was moving the team to Baltimore. He resigned.

Does Williams have that on his resume? His team's never had a winning record.

Dom also loaded his team (wisely) with former Steelers players like Kevin Greene and Sam Mills. He also got other vets who knew how to play like former Oiler Lamar Lathon and Eric Davis. He didn't have to build a team(especially his defense) from scratch and he lost the team pretty quickly as well. But those red flags didn't bother a new owner like McNair.
 
treduke said:
yeah but the hoodie did lead them to the playoffs and in his defense was the coach during the lame duck season before the browns moved! since you like defense how about taking a look at leslie frazier the vikings dc
if we dont get cowher or another coach we should'nt go with some re-tread
who had his shot! if this thing is gonna get blown up at least go with some new blood
good day sir
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what he said
 
I think the organization needs a proven winner and not a guy who's already failed at this once before. I think the next head coaching hire either takes or we're really looking at being the 21st century version of the old New Orleans Saints.

I don't see how you hire Greg Williams When Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, and Holmgren are all out there looking for work. I don't know how Bob McNair stands in front of a podium at a press conference and sells that to the Texans fanbase. It just screams of "I don't have any idea what I'm doing" or "I'm too cheap to spring for a proven coach even though my team has NEVER won" to me.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think the organization needs a proven winner and not a guy who's already failed at this once before. I think the next head coaching hire either takes or we're really looking at being the 21st century version of the old New Orleans Saints.

I don't see how you hire Greg Williams When Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, and Holmgren are all out there looking for work. I don't know how Bob McNair stands in front of a podium at a press conference and sells that to the Texans fanbase. It just screams of "I don't have any idea what I'm doing" or "I'm too cheap to spring for a proven coach even though my team has NEVER won" to me.
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It sounds as though Holmgren, Gruden and Cowher have all found a home for next year already.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think the organization needs a proven winner and not a guy who's already failed at this once before. I think the next head coaching hire either takes or we're really looking at being the 21st century version of the old New Orleans Saints.

I don't see how you hire Greg Williams When Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, and Holmgren are all out there looking for work. I don't know how Bob McNair stands in front of a podium at a press conference and sells that to the Texans fanbase. It just screams of "I don't have any idea what I'm doing" or "I'm too cheap to spring for a proven coach even though my team has NEVER won" to me.
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exactly Herv.. my friends and I were talking about the Texans yesterday. my friend made a comment about most all the players can play in the NFL.. they all can run (for the most part and there are exceptions) but Coaching is what does it .. It isn't like College where a coach can get by with recruiting blue chip players year after year and their talent can overcome poor coaching from time to time.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think the organization needs a proven winner and not a guy who's already failed at this once before. I think the next head coaching hire either takes or we're really looking at being the 21st century version of the old New Orleans Saints.

I don't see how you hire Greg Williams When Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, and Holmgren are all out there looking for work. I don't know how Bob McNair stands in front of a podium at a press conference and sells that to the Texans fanbase. It just screams of "I don't have any idea what I'm doing" or "I'm too cheap to spring for a proven coach even though my team has NEVER won" to me.
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I'm still not convinced Cowher would come here.

I don't want Gruden. He only won a SB with Dungy's team. Then he promptly ruined it.

Holmgren would want too much control. Control a HC shouldn't have.

Shanahan is an interesting thought, and I've always liked him, but the questions with him are can he get a defense to perform, and would we just be getting the same thing we already have?

I don't think Gregg Williams is the same guy he was in Buffalo. I see him being more like Belichick than Mangini. He has the pedigree WAY more so than Capers did.

Leslie Frazier deserves a look, too.
 
DerekLee1 said:
How many people said that about Belichick after he was fired from Cleveland?
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im loling cos kubiaks record is better than bill's was in cleveland. i wonder how excited the browns fans were when they got rid of somebody who was clearly a loser HC :rolleyes:

nvm though continue on :brando:
 
DerekLee1 said:
I'm still not convinced Cowher would come here.

I don't want Gruden. He only won a SB with Dungy's team. Then he promptly ruined it.

Holmgren would want too much control. Control a HC shouldn't have.

Shanahan is an interesting thought, and I've always liked him, but the questions with him are can he get a defense to perform, and would we just be getting the same thing we already have?

I don't think Gregg Williams is the same guy he was in Buffalo. I see him being more like Belichick than Mangini. He has the pedigree WAY more so than Capers did.

Leslie Frazier deserves a look, too.
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I call BS!!!! He won with the team Dungy could not get to the Super Bowl with.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I'm still not convinced Cowher would come here.

I don't want Gruden. He only won a SB with Dungy's team. Then he promptly ruined it.

Holmgren would want too much control. Control a HC shouldn't have.

Shanahan is an interesting thought, and I've always liked him, but the questions with him are can he get a defense to perform, and would we just be getting the same thing we already have?

I don't think Gregg Williams is the same guy he was in Buffalo. I see him being more like Belichick than Mangini. He has the pedigree WAY more so than Capers did.

Leslie Frazier deserves a look, too.
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About the only really strong feeling I have about any names mentioned is I just DO NOT like Gruden. At all. He irratates the crap out of me for some reason. I'd just hate it if he came here. As to the rest of them, meh....

I'd bet the barn it won't be Cowher, but it would be nice if he did come here.
 
Hervoyel said:
I think the organization needs a proven winner and not a guy who's already failed at this once before. I think the next head coaching hire either takes or we're really looking at being the 21st century version of the old New Orleans Saints.

I don't see how you hire Greg Williams When Cowher, Gruden, Shanahan, and Holmgren are all out there looking for work. I don't know how Bob McNair stands in front of a podium at a press conference and sells that to the Texans fanbase. It just screams of "I don't have any idea what I'm doing" or "I'm too cheap to spring for a proven coach even though my team has NEVER won" to me.
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I think it'd be tough to pry Gruden way from MNF considering the extension he just signed.

I think we'll be hard pressed to lure Cowher away from Carolina if he wants to get back into coaching.

If we do go after Shanahan I'd expect us to retain a fair amount of the staff we already have. Kubiak goes to OC. Kyle likely goes to a position coaching gig and I'd say it wouldn't be out of the realm that a most of the defensive coaching staff stays as well. No thanks.

If the Gm spot didn't open up in Seattle I think we would've had a fair chance of getting Holmgren. Seeing all of his ties in Seattle already I think he take the job if they offer it up.

I still think Schott would be a good fit.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I'm still not convinced Cowher would come here.

I don't want Gruden. He only won a SB with Dungy's team. Then he promptly ruined it.
Holmgren would want too much control. Control a HC shouldn't have.

Shanahan is an interesting thought, and I've always liked him, but the questions with him are can he get a defense to perform, and would we just be getting the same thing we already have?

I don't think Gregg Williams is the same guy he was in Buffalo. I see him being more like Belichick than Mangini. He has the pedigree WAY more so than Capers did.

Leslie Frazier deserves a look, too.
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I hear what you're saying on this but disagree on a lot of it. The Gruden thing though is just a myth I'm sorry. He is the winningest coach in Tampa Bay history. He won the only Super Bowl in their history. He was fired after a pair of 9-7 seasons. He didn't so much "ruin" Dungy's team as see that dominating defense grow old while he was there. I think he's rather underrated myself. After all Bill Callahan took Jon Grudens Raiders team to a Super Bowl too so it's not like Gruden didn't build a Super Bowl team as well.

He just happened to be in the perfect position to exploit all of their weaknesses.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I'm still not convinced Cowher would come here.

I don't want Gruden. He only won a SB with Dungy's team. Then he promptly ruined it.

Holmgren would want too much control. Control a HC shouldn't have.

Shanahan is an interesting thought, and I've always liked him, but the questions with him are can he get a defense to perform, and would we just be getting the same thing we already have?

I don't think Gregg Williams is the same guy he was in Buffalo. I see him being more like Belichick than Mangini. He has the pedigree WAY more so than Capers did.

Leslie Frazier deserves a look, too.
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What pedigree do you speak of? Was his dad a great coach or coordinator?

Maddict5 said:
im loling cos kubiaks record is better than bill's was in cleveland. i wonder how excited the browns fans were when they got rid of somebody who was clearly a loser HC :rolleyes:

nvm though continue on :brando:
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Yeah well they couldn't be too excited because the year Belichek resigned in Cleveland was the same year they were relocated to Baltimore. Nothing like learning your team is being moved to cut the legs out from a season.
 
I think whoever we go after, we need someone who has experience as a HEAD coach and not just as a coordinator. The biggest knock I see with our current team is that the experience for our coordinators and head coach totals less than 10 years combined at their current position.

It'd be interesting to see if we are able to bring Shanahan in if Kubiak would stay on as offensive coordinator. I doubt he would take the step down or that many people would want him to stay, but I think Kubiak is a good O coordinator who just couldn't make the transition to head coach.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Cowher wants the Carolina job, and he'll bide his time until it happens and use us as leverage . Gregg Williams is a defensive guru, has some experience behind some GREAT coaches, he learned from a failed first try (see: Bill Belichick), has Houston ties, and would likely keep Kyle Shanahan on - assuming that he doesn't bolt to go coach with his dad somewherep. The knock on him in Buffalo was his conservatism, but I don't think it will be like that the second time around again. He's coaching under one of the smartest and ballsiest playcalling coaches in the NFL right now, and has turned the Saints' defense from worst to (almost) first. He also runs a 4-3, meaning a massive personnel overhaul would not be necessary.

In fact, I'm thinking he may be my TOP preference, even if Cowher WERE available and interested.
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Haven't you said all year that Kubes was the best man to coach this team?
 
Why don't we wait till the end of the year to start speculating who are coach will be. Man, some people wanna hire a coach five minutes after a loss.
 
stingray said:
Yep.. I know. I have seen all of them. And I don't want Kubiak back either, but to pretty much name the coach after week 12 for next year is a bit silly.
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Actually if you know you are gonna get rid of a coach, why not get rid of him now. Then you have the leg up on the competition of who you want as a coach. If you can bring that guy in, then he can see the players up close for a month in real football situations and be able to figure out who he wants to keep and who he wants to get rid of. Plus, he will get all kinds of good will for the rest of that season and all of the next one.

Its a win- win situation actually.
 
If there is a change, I really don't want to experiment with another first time HC. This team needs someone that has actually had some success, in both winning consistently, and playoff/Superbowl experience.
 
False Start said:
If there is a change, I really don't want to experiment with another first time HC. This team needs someone that has actually had some success, in both winning consistently, and playoff/Superbowl experience.
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Sure, problem is how many coaches out there meet those qualifications?
Cowher, Gruden, Holgrim, Shanahan, Marty S, Billik?
 
Bring back Dick Vermeil or Dan Reevs or if you want to keep going Marv Leavy and just call it a day.
 
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