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If This Team Doesn't Quit On Kubiak, Bring Him Back!

DexmanC

DexmanC

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I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY.

The next five games will show if they will fold under the adversity they're
facing, or if they will rise above it and BECOME the juggernaut they now
know they can be. The margin of victory in the NFL is VERY slight. Only
the teams that are good at the FINEST of details become elite. I'd rather
have Kubiak get another year to take the squad he's built to the next
level, rather than see a "Gruden Situation" where we get one year out
of what Kubes has put together, before it goes to **** with the new coach.

Capers was fired when the team quit on him. It has yet to happen to Kubiak.
Dick Jauron was fired because his team quit on him. It has yet to happen
to Kubiak. Putting 17 unanswered points up on the Colts TWICE in the
SAME season doesn't happen by mistake. I think they'll finish better than
8-8, but unless they start getting blowing out, bring Kubiak back. I'm
confident in Kubiak/Smith's ability to draft for their needs. They'll improve
the interiors of our offensive and defensive lines, and our team will go
from just 'good' to dominant.

Jim Mora's famous speech about "PLAYOFFS!??" was about a young
quarterback who threw four interceptions including a PICK-6. Mora
said his team played like "diddly poo" that day with FIVE turnovers.
"Don't talk to me about playoffs! I just hope we can win a GAME!!"

That young team became the class of the AFC, with their erratic quarterback
becoming the best to have ever played the game. His name is Peyton
Manning.

Just sayin...
 
I dunno if that's enough ? Their final 2009 record is gonna count more than anything for his retension by McNair I'd think ?
 
I need to see 3 things for me to stay on Kubes bandwagon:

1. His players have to kill themselves for him, and fight every single play for the win. If they quit, he has to go.
2. They need to finish at least 8-8, and score more points than they give up for the first time in franchise history.
3. He has to force Bush to prepare for a running QB against the Jags. If we come out woefully unprepared for a running QB the way we have in the past I'm going to get mad. I mean plum mad dog mean.
 
Goatcheese said:
3. He has to force Bush to prepare for a running QB against the Jags. If we come out woefully unprepared for a running QB the way we have in the past I'm going to get mad. I mean plum mad dog mean.
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Garrard didn't really kill us with his running the last game, and really MJD didn't either...except for that one long run. :brickwall:

I haven't really stayed up with Jags football this season, so I don't really know what to expect from them. I would hope Joe Marciano has his guys ready for what seems to be the annual onside kick, or fake punt by Del Rio.
 
DexmanC said:
I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY.

The next five games will show if they will fold under the adversity they're
facing, or if they will rise above it and BECOME the juggernaut they now
know they can be. The margin of victory in the NFL is VERY slight. Only
the teams that are good at the FINEST of details become elite. I'd rather
have Kubiak get another year to take the squad he's built to the next
level, rather than see a "Gruden Situation" where we get one year out
of what Kubes has put together, before it goes to **** with the new coach.

Capers was fired when the team quit on him. It has yet to happen to Kubiak.
Dick Jauron was fired because his team quit on him. It has yet to happen
to Kubiak. Putting 17 unanswered points up on the Colts TWICE in the
SAME season doesn't happen by mistake. I think they'll finish better than
8-8, but unless they start getting blowing out, bring Kubiak back. I'm
confident in Kubiak/Smith's ability to draft for their needs. They'll improve
the interiors of our offensive and defensive lines, and our team will go
from just 'good' to dominant.

Jim Mora's famous speech about "PLAYOFFS!??" was about a young
quarterback who threw four interceptions including a PICK-6. Mora
said his team played like "diddly poo" that day with FIVE turnovers.
"Don't talk to me about playoffs! I just hope we can win a GAME!!"

That young team became the class of the AFC, with their erratic quarterback
becoming the best to have ever played the game. His name is Peyton
Manning.

Just sayin...
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YOu been saying this stuff all season long. This message has gotten old. Kubes has failed his supporters. It doesn't matter whether his tam quits on him or not, he doesn't have a clue how to put them in position and is stubborn and doesn't know how to close games and this has been the case for over two years now. Nothing has changed, it's just the same mistakes. Kubes will be gone, and if he isn't the Texans will be set up for another disappointing season next year where a lot of fans stop caring and we'll eventually start having blackouts.
 
Silver Oak said:
Garrard didn't really kill us with his running the last game, and really MJD didn't either...except for that one long run. :brickwall:

I haven't really stayed up with Jags football this season, so I don't really know what to expect from them. I would hope Joe Marciano has his guys ready for what seems to be the annual onside kick, or fake punt by Del Rio.
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He rushed for a couple of first downs and a TD, like he does every time he faces the Texans, because we never defend his legs.
 
Texecutioner said:
YOu been saying this stuff all season long. This message has gotten old. Kubes has failed his supporters. It doesn't matter whether his tam quits on him or not, he doesn't have a clue how to put them in position and is stubborn and doesn't know how to close games and this has been the case for over two years now. Nothing has changed, it's just the same mistakes. Kubes will be gone, and if he isn't the Texans will be set up for another disappointing season next year where a lot of fans stop caring and we'll eventually start having blackouts.
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Yes, I HAVE been saying this all season. This team is VERY close. They're
at the proverbial "fork in the road." It's the reason I started this post with
the word "IF." There are 5 games left, and they MUST go AT LEAST 4-1 to
maintain the support of this fanbase. The fans at Reliant Stadium have
a lot of sway when it comes to whether Bob makes a change or not.
I remember the constant booing of David Carr forcing his hand in 2006.
So, 5 games to go, and a lot still to play for.
 
I'm with you until we have 5 divisional losses (which could happen in 3 days) or 8 total losses. Then, I am all about pink, soapy avatars.
 
I know of at least one game where they quit on him, because it just happened last weekend. Of course, it would help if Kubone-head would run more than 5 times in the 2nd half when he has a lead on the Colts and a 5+ yd. rushing avg. in the game. Pft.
 
HJam72 said:
I know of at least one game where they quit on him, because it just happened last weekend. Of course, it would help if Kubone-head would run more than 5 times in the 2nd half when he has a lead on the Colts and a 5+ yd. rushing avg. in the game. Pft.
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I didn't see them quittin.' I saw them playing like dummies, but the
effort WAS there. That's what's so frustrating. They play hard, but
get a little stupid too often.
 
BigBull17 said:
Hmm, sounds like a trend with running QB's in our division..
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Yeah, that's because right after our DEs make a wide circle around and behind the QB, our DTs make a wide circle around and behind the QB. They think their the Inside Defensive Ends. :breakdance:
 
DexmanC said:
I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY.

The next five games will show if they will fold under the adversity they're
facing, or if they will rise above it and BECOME the juggernaut they now
know they can be. The margin of victory in the NFL is VERY slight. Only
the teams that are good at the FINEST of details become elite. I'd rather
have Kubiak get another year to take the squad he's built to the next
level, rather than see a "Gruden Situation" where we get one year out
of what Kubes has put together, before it goes to **** with the new coach.

Capers was fired when the team quit on him. It has yet to happen to Kubiak.
Dick Jauron was fired because his team quit on him. It has yet to happen
to Kubiak. Putting 17 unanswered points up on the Colts TWICE in the
SAME season doesn't happen by mistake. I think they'll finish better than
8-8, but unless they start getting blowing out, bring Kubiak back. I'm
confident in Kubiak/Smith's ability to draft for their needs. They'll improve
the interiors of our offensive and defensive lines, and our team will go
from just 'good' to dominant.

Jim Mora's famous speech about "PLAYOFFS!??" was about a young
quarterback who threw four interceptions including a PICK-6. Mora
said his team played like "diddly poo" that day with FIVE turnovers.
"Don't talk to me about playoffs! I just hope we can win a GAME!!"

That young team became the class of the AFC, with their erratic quarterback
becoming the best to have ever played the game. His name is Peyton
Manning.

Just sayin...
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I'm pretty much on the same side of the fence, however, the last part about mora/manning/playoffs is inaccurate. The colts reached the playoffs with Manning in a 10-6 season prior to that year.

That aside, I still feel Kubiak's Texans are so close to being a good team that we should persevere with him. If we limp across the finish line with a series of lame performances and another non-winning season, then it's time to go. 9-7 or better just about gives him another year for me. This is the youngest team in the NFL in terms of personel. The squad is mature enough for us to determine their talent level (good) but not mature enough yet for us to make definitive statements about their capacity to avoid implosions - mental strength if you like. Clearly that's sub-par at the moment, but there's plenty of growth opportunity in a group so young. I'd hate to rip things up right now because if this team does learn to win, then they're in a position to be successful for a sustained period.
 
Mr. White said:
Funny that you bring up Jim Mora. They had to replace him to get to the playoffs.
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LOL, that is what I was thinking. Bringing up Jim Mora is actually making a case to get rid of Kubiak and bring in a coach that can get them over the hump.
 
Goatcheese said:
He rushed for a couple of first downs and a TD, like he does every time he faces the Texans, because we never defend his legs.
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I know, but his td was a short run (under 10 yds right?), and his total rushing was under 50 yds. I can live with that...that close in the RZ, they're gonna get 6 a high percentage of the time anyways. I think we did worse against Garrard last season.
 
Good post, Dexman, and I can understand your perspective.

My concern is that Kubiak has Jack Pardee eyes right now. Sort of a dazed and confused look that he's not quite sure why things are going wrong and is slowly losing his grip. Perhaps I'm wrong, but he stares that the Denny's menu like Jack used to have that unplugged headset on.
 
My biggest concern is that we play smart football the rest of the way. The penalties we take are stupid and are unbelievably frustrating. We take 3 or 4 false start penalties a game even when we are at home. This NEEDS to change. We need to cut out these stupid brain farts that give away yards for free.

As for game-planning against running QBs, I think the problem is that we just don't have a DT that can be very disruptive in the passing game. On almost every passing play, the field is so wide open in front of the QB that he can easily step up and relieve the pressure being applied by the DE's. From there they either have a much easier pass, or they have at least a 5 yard run with no defenders in sight.

This team needs to fix personnel issues at O-line and DT more-so than at coach. But if Kubes can't get this team to take less then 100 penalty yards per game, then he should be out the door too.
 
We can't win in the division, which means we are not winning the games we are supposed to win. Gary didn't win a challenge until THIS YEAR, his fourth. He doesn't know when to call a time out. He can't manage the clock worth s--t.

Should I keep going?

I used to LOVE me some Kubes, but this has gotten out of control.
 
TexCanada said:
My biggest concern is that we play smart football the rest of the way. The penalties we take are stupid and are unbelievably frustrating. We take 3 or 4 false start penalties a game even when we are at home. This NEEDS to change. We need to cut out these stupid brain farts that give away yards for free.

As for game-planning against running QBs, I think the problem is that we just don't have a DT that can be very disruptive in the passing game. On almost every passing play, the field is so wide open in front of the QB that he can easily step up and relieve the pressure being applied by the DE's. From there they either have a much easier pass, or they have at least a 5 yard run with no defenders in sight.

This team needs to fix personnel issues at O-line and DT more-so than at coach. But if Kubes can't get this team to take less then 100 penalty yards per game, then he should be out the door too.
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Ok this is his 4th year. He has the orginal DC he wanted, thought it took him 3 years to realize Richard Smith was clueless. He's got the OL guru that built his line in Denver, and we're treading water with them.

Honestly, I'm tired of this. These are HIS guys up and down the lines and on the staff.
 
I agree with Dex. Barring some horrible rest of the season, I say kube's stays. To bring in another coach right now or end of season is a bad idea. These guys have really built something special in a very short amount of time. They went from being a laughing stock to damn who is this team. They're improving in every facet of the game every year. Some quicker than others. I am going to wait out the rest of the season and see what happens before I start jumping on any fire kubiak and bring in the quivering chin band wagon.
 
DexmanC said:
I was just as pissed as everyone here Sunday afternoon, but I chose not
to open my bar of pink soap just yet. Hear me out. This team finished 8-8
over the last two season, but in a lot of their losses prior to this season,
they were blown off the field. This year, they seem like a team that's
fumbling for a winning formula, but have yet to strike 'Eureka!'

In spite of having a rookie OC, and a rookie DC, this team looks like
it has the ability to whip any team on their schedule. Before this season,
we were hoping they could just 'hang with' the big boys. This is the first
time they've proven to themselves they really could play with ANYBODY.

The next five games will show if they will fold under the adversity they're
facing, or if they will rise above it and BECOME the juggernaut they now
know they can be. The margin of victory in the NFL is VERY slight. Only
the teams that are good at the FINEST of details become elite. I'd rather
have Kubiak get another year to take the squad he's built to the next
level, rather than see a "Gruden Situation" where we get one year out
of what Kubes has put together, before it goes to **** with the new coach.

Capers was fired when the team quit on him. It has yet to happen to Kubiak.
Dick Jauron was fired because his team quit on him. It has yet to happen
to Kubiak. Putting 17 unanswered points up on the Colts TWICE in the
SAME season doesn't happen by mistake. I think they'll finish better than
8-8, but unless they start getting blowing out, bring Kubiak back. I'm
confident in Kubiak/Smith's ability to draft for their needs. They'll improve
the interiors of our offensive and defensive lines, and our team will go
from just 'good' to dominant.

Jim Mora's famous speech about "PLAYOFFS!??" was about a young
quarterback who threw four interceptions including a PICK-6. Mora
said his team played like "diddly poo" that day with FIVE turnovers.
"Don't talk to me about playoffs! I just hope we can win a GAME!!"

That young team became the class of the AFC, with their erratic quarterback
becoming the best to have ever played the game. His name is Peyton
Manning.

Just sayin...
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I love your posts. But this....

This is...

You are outside your mind, Dex.

Go get me Peyton Manning's rickety old knees up in here and place him in a Texans jersey, and I'll buy what you're selling. Until then, you can't begin to place Matt "Come eat steaks at my house" Schaub in the same category.

Matt Schaub can NOT put Kubiak or any other team member on his back. He does not have game like Manning has game. Schaub's best day can't beat Manning's worst day. It's a deal of Manning being a cold-blooded killer. A guy who bitches at his offense when they're up 35-3 in the 4th quarter and have to punt at mid-field instead of driving down for another TD.

I support your enthusiasm. You've found a way to be positive.

But we just might need to play the Colts and Titans another 4 or 5 times under Kubiak for you to see what most of us here are saying: Gurry Kubiak is as done as a Christmas goose cooked in a crematory on New Year's Eve.
 
10-6 saves his job because McNair is a big softie like that. I must say after the last two weeks my eyes have begun to wander, looking for another coach to take us to the promise land. I would love to see our team turn into the piss and vinegar teams Cowher coached. I think Shanahan is much the same that we have. Chuckie might be interesting. I would actually hate to lose what Bush is working on.
Things we all think.

Defense:
A healthier and more talented secondary would be most helpful. Pollard was a diamond in the rough. Wilson was very solid until he joined the many on IR. We all salivate at a Grade A safety in the draft.

Offense:
We have said it all year, up the middle needs help on the line. The middle 3 make or break our running game. Right now we have 2 of the 3 on IR. Unfortunately it wasn't the one right up the middle.

In short we are all sick of coming up short. We watch games waiting for the other shoe to drop. No matter how sweet we might look, we find a way to lose. I think a change is in order. :fans:
 
Texaninlild said:
10-6 saves his job because McNair is a big softie like that. I must say after the last two weeks my eyes have begun to wander, looking for another coach to take us to the promise land. I would love to see our team turn into the piss and vinegar teams Cowher coached. I think Shanahan is much the same that we have. Chuckie might be interesting. I would actually hate to lose what Bush is working on.
Things we all think.

Defense:
A healthier and more talented secondary would be most helpful. Pollard was a diamond in the rough. Wilson was very solid until he joined the many on IR. We all salivate at a Grade A safety in the draft.

Offense:
We have said it all year, up the middle needs help on the line. The middle 3 make or break our running game. Right now we have 2 of the 3 on IR. Unfortunately it wasn't the one right up the middle.

In short we are all sick of coming up short. We watch games waiting for the other shoe to drop. No matter how sweet we might look, we find a way to lose. I think a change is in order. :fans:
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Chuckie ain't going to any team after extending his tenure for MNF. Overrated IMO, but that's just me.

We agree on Shanahan.

Defense: Under Kubiak they have never properly addressed Safety and it's killed the secondary. Wilson has been adequate. We got lucky as hell Pollard was cut by the Chefs, because Kubiak or Bush or whomever had the great idea that they could go through a season with Busing and Barber at SS.

I think Bush has done a decent job (Not sure how you can say with a straight face you'd hate to see Bush leave what he's working on), but I look over to N.O. and see how Greg Williams and Darren Sharper (who should get an MVP nod) have transformed the defense. I get sick to my stomach a little.

Offense: Hate to say it again but those are Kubiak's boys on the interior of the OL and I can't figure out for the life of me how we have Alex Gibbs and a turrible run game. I'm starting to think he Bob McNair'd Gibbs saying Myers, Brisiel and Studdard stay. On the flip side, instead of picking Shonn Greene in the second we get Connor Barwin. Awesome.

I'm starting to see why Lucky calls Kubiak Teflon man.
 
GP said:
I love your posts. But this....

This is...

You are outside your mind, Dex.

Go get me Peyton Manning's rickety old knees up in here and place him in a Texans jersey, and I'll buy what you're selling. Until then, you can't begin to place Matt "Come eat steaks at my house" Schaub in the same category.

Matt Schaub can NOT put Kubiak or any other team member on his back. He does not have game like Manning has game. Schaub's best day can't beat Manning's worst day. It's a deal of Manning being a cold-blooded killer. A guy who bitches at his offense when they're up 35-3 in the 4th quarter and have to punt at mid-field instead of driving down for another TD.

I support your enthusiasm. You've found a way to be positive.

But we just might need to play the Colts and Titans another 4 or 5 times under Kubiak for you to see what most of us here are saying: Gurry Kubiak is as done as a Christmas goose cooked in a crematory on New Year's Eve.
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Comparing Matt Schaub to Peyton Manning is ridiculus anyway. Stat-wise, sure, Matt is hanging in there, but in terms of experience and influence, there is no comparison.
 
Andrew6 said:
They went from being a laughing stock to damn who is this team?
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Yeah, but the proplem is the home fans still don't even know who this team is. ....and that's not a good thing.

4 years in and this team still has NO IDENTITY. The coach says he wants to run the ball, but can't and even in the few games that he can he drifts away from his own supposed "philosophy" and gets pass happy again, which tells me that HE doesn't even know the identity he wants for his own team. 4 years in and we have the most inconsistent football team in the entire country. That's nothing to be excited about.

So far Gary Kubiak is Norv Turner 2.0...whoopty do :rolleyes:
 
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Goldensilence said:
Chuckie ain't going to any team after extending his tenure for MNF. Overrated IMO, but that's just me.

We agree on Shanahan.

Defense: Under Kubiak they have never properly addressed Safety and it's killed the secondary. Wilson has been adequate. We got lucky as hell Pollard was cut by the Chefs, because Kubiak or Bush or whomever had the great idea that they could go through a season with Busing and Barber at SS.

I think Bush has done a decent job (Not sure how you can say with a straight face you'd hate to see Bush leave what he's working on), but I look over to N.O. and see how Greg Williams and Darren Sharper (who should get an MVP nod) have transformed the defense. I get sick to my stomach a little.

Offense: Hate to say it again but those are Kubiak's boys on the interior of the OL and I can't figure out for the life of me how we have Alex Gibbs and a turrible run game. I'm starting to think he Bob McNair'd Gibbs saying Myers, Brisiel and Studdard stay. On the flip side, instead of picking Shonn Greene in the second we get Connor Barwin. Awesome.

I'm starting to see why Lucky calls Kubiak Teflon man.
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No, it's not just you. Gruden is easily the most overrated coach in the last 15 years. People like him because he's young and good looking and can scrunch up his face and make people laugh.

He's a fraud.
 
Hookem Horns said:
LOL, that is what I was thinking. Bringing up Jim Mora is actually making a case to get rid of Kubiak and bring in a coach that can get them over the hump.
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Mora's gone - and who's that other guy who won a superbowl - He's on ESPN now ? - with some no name lookin like a genius winning his first 11 games as a head coach ? with that other guy's team ....
 
LMAO....

Gruden is NOT overrated, if anything he's underappreciated. If it wasn't for one of the worst calls in NFL history he would've most likely coached two seperate franchises to the Super bowl. (a fact ignorant people love to ignore when they just throw out the "he won with someone else's team" crap.) In 11 seasons as a head coach he only had 3 losing seasons and was the last man to ever have any prolonged success with that trainwreck of a franchise up in Oakland. He got fired after coaching a team to a 9-7 record (a mark that Kubiak has never reached as a head coach) and one year later that same team is now 1-10, one of the worst teams in the entire league, and certainly worse off without him.

Jon Gruden is a good head coach.......sorry folks. The "most overrated coach" of this decade was hands down, Herman Edwards.
 
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DexmanC said:
..... and they MUST go AT LEAST 4-1 to maintain the support of this fanbase. The fans at Reliant Stadium have a lot of sway when it comes to whether Bob makes a change or not. I remember the constant booing of David Carr forcing his hand in 2006. So, 5 games to go, and a lot still to play for.
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Does the fans starting to walk out of the stadium in the 4th quarter count as losing the fanbase ? I think it has already happened. So, I guess we can stop right here and say Kubiak needs to go.
 
If Kubes can't turn it around then we should move forward without him because we are losing games that we should win no more excuses.
 
Goldensilence said:
I think Bush has done a decent job (Not sure how you can say with a straight face you'd hate to see Bush leave what he's working on), but I look over to N.O. and see how Greg Williams and Darren Sharper (who should get an MVP nod) have transformed the defense. I get sick to my stomach a little.
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Pretty much the only thing they do a lot better than the Texans is get interceptions, and that's more of a player issue.

Total
NO 16th
HOU 17th
Points/Game
NO 15th
HOU 18th
Passing
NO 18th
HOU 14th
Rushing
NO 20th
HOU 22nd

houstonspartan said:
Comparing Matt Schaub to Peyton Manning is ridiculus anyway. Stat-wise, sure, Matt is hanging in there, but in terms of experience and influence, there is no comparison.
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Comparing anyone to quite possibly the greatest QB to ever take the field is completely unfair. Especially not a 3rd year starter against a 12th year, multiple MVP, super bowl winning, Hall of Fame QB.

If Peyton Manning is the yard stick you have to exceed to be considered a good QB, every QB falls short.
 
First let me say, I think Kubiak will likely be back next season. I've been supportive of Kubiak in the past, but my problem is this:

In Kubiaks first 3 seasons we've gone a combined 11-19 through the first 10 games of each season. We went a combined 11-7 in the final 6 games of each season. This season we went 5-5 through the first ten.

The point is, we don't win games that matter. We've won games when playoff aspirations have been extinguished and we're playing for draft position. This season we started the best we ever have, but began to lose when the games got bigger and meaningful. Now that the playoffs are almost out of reach they'll probably go on a winning spree.

Does the team play more relaxed when the game doesn't matter? Do they play to have fun when the playoffs are out of reach? I don't know, but it's Kubiaks job to find out why and get the team to play that way from September to January.
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO....

Gruden is NOT overrated, if anything he's underappreciated. If it wasn't for one of the worst calls in NFL history he would've most likely coached two seperate franchises to the Super bowl. (a fact ignorant people love to ignore when they just throw out the "he won with someone else's team" crap.) In 11 seasons as a head coach he only had 3 losing seasons and was the last man to ever have any prolonged success with that trainwreck of a franchise up in Oakland. He got fired after coaching a team to a 9-7 record (a mark that Kubiak has never reached as a head coach) and one year later that same team is now 1-10, one of the worst teams in the entire league, and certainly worse off without him.

Jon Gruden is a good head coach.......sorry folks. The "most overrated coach" of this decade was hands down, Herman Edwards.
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I don't remember any hype surrounding Herm Edwards. He was a disaster. Everybody knows that.

Gruden is a joke, and if we hire him, I swear, I will not renew my season tickets. I've said that before, jokingly about other issues with this team, but Gruden is a JOKE.

He did nothing with with Tampa after that Super Bowl (and, yes, it WAS with someone else's team) and had 20 quarterbacks he couldnt' decide what to do with. The players HATED him. HATED. Why do you think he got fired? The owners wondered why the franchise was mired in medioctriy and checked with the players. Turns out the coach was an ass.

If Gruden comes, I go.

Period.
 
Kubiak haters can't deny that we've had the best four drafts in team history
under his watch. Of all the players Kubiak got rid of when he took the team
over, how many of them remained in the league? I remember Antwan Peek,
David Carr, Travis Johnson, C.C. Brown, THAT'S IT!!! In his first two seasons, this team
had NO TALENT!!! The young talent he DRAFTED FOR are BARELY beginning
THEIR PRIMES! Last year, through the first ten, the Texans started 3-7. This
year, they started 5-5.

This is the first year, in Texans history, this team has had the ability to go
TOE-TO-TOE with ANYBODY. To blow this team up now, especially the
front office, would be the dumbest thing we could do. You get your new
coach, to lead us to one or two playoff seasons, but you bring in a GM who
thinks he's the smartest man on the planet and can't draft as well as Smithiak
has.

That is the "Gruden Syndrome" I mentioned. Keep this squad together for
another season. This team ain't going 8-8 in '09. From what I've seen,
they know what they are capable of, and are working hard to fix it. The
Steelers are only 1 game better than us, and they were SWEPT by the
BENGALS!!! THEY have ALSO lost 3-in-a-row, including a game to THE
FREAKING CHIEFS!!!

A little perspective here. We lost TWICE to the undefeated Colts, and once
to the undefeated "VY Titans." Mistakes happen with young teams. You
don't give them the death penalty midseason. Stand back, look at the big
picture, and consider our draft record. If we continue to draft well, winning
will be inevitable. You switch things up, you may spend more time at the
bottom of the NFL like the Browns, Chiefs, and Raiders, looking for the next
great talent evaluators. We have a young head coach, and a young GM,
and a young OC, and a young DC. Let them grow up a little bit.

SHEESH!!!
 
Carr Bombed said:
LMAO....

Gruden is NOT overrated, if anything he's underappreciated. If it wasn't for one of the worst calls in NFL history he would've most likely coached two seperate franchises to the Super bowl. (a fact ignorant people love to ignore when they just throw out the "he won with someone else's team" crap.) In 11 seasons as a head coach he only had 3 losing seasons and was the last man to ever have any prolonged success with that trainwreck of a franchise up in Oakland. He got fired after coaching a team to a 9-7 record (a mark that Kubiak has never reached as a head coach) and one year later that same team is now 1-10, one of the worst teams in the entire league, and certainly worse off without him.

Jon Gruden is a good head coach.......sorry folks. The "most overrated coach" of this decade was hands down, Herman Edwards.
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Dunno if I would call it one of the worst...I'd call is quite possibly THE worst call.

I love how people want to point out how bad off Tampa is without Gruden without giving him credit for assemlbing the sqaud everyone is looking at. Gruden was collecting QBs in Tampa because he was looking for another Rcih Gannon, and it puzzled me that when he found someone similar in Jeff Garcia he couldn't commit.

Doesn't help that Tampa also inserted a rookie HC whom I don't think has even been a coordinator. Not to mention they lost Monte Kiffin to U Tenn.

Looking at the Drafts he had maybe it was just that his first round picks unexpectedly turned out to be busts.
 
DexmanC said:
Kubiak haters can't deny that we've had the best four drafts in team history
under his watch. Of all the players Kubiak got rid of when he took the team
over, how many of them remained in the league? I remember Antwan Peek,
David Carr, Travis Johnson, C.C. Brown, THAT'S IT!!! In his first two seasons, this team
had NO TALENT!!! The young talent he DRAFTED FOR are BARELY beginning
THEIR PRIMES! Last year, through the first ten, the Texans started 3-7. This
year, they started 5-5.

This is the first year, in Texans history, this team has had the ability to go
TOE-TO-TOE with ANYBODY. To blow this team up now, especially the
front office, would be the dumbest thing we could do. You get your new
coach, to lead us to one or two playoff seasons, but you bring in a GM who
thinks he's the smartest man on the planet and can't draft as well as Smithiak
has.

That is the "Gruden Syndrome" I mentioned. Keep this squad together for
another season. This team ain't going 8-8 in '09. From what I've seen,
they know what they are capable of, and are working hard to fix it. The
Steelers are only 1 game better than us, and they were SWEPT by the
BENGALS!!! THEY have ALSO lost 3-in-a-row, including a game to THE
FREAKING CHIEFS!!!

A little perspective here. We lost TWICE to the undefeated Colts, and once
to the undefeated "VY Titans." Mistakes happen with young teams. You
don't give them the death penalty midseason. Stand back, look at the big
picture, and consider our draft record. If we continue to draft well, winning
will be inevitable. You switch things up, you may spend more time at the
bottom of the NFL like the Browns, Chiefs, and Raiders, looking for the next
great talent evaluators. We have a young head coach, and a young GM,
and a young OC, and a young DC. Let them grow up a little bit.

SHEESH!!!
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Dude, we see your point. Honestly.

But you're missing ours: We are 5-6.

We have massively - MASSIVELY - underachieved this year.
 
houstonspartan said:
Dude, we see your point. Honestly.

But you're missing ours: We are 5-6.

We have massively - MASSIVELY - underachieved this year.
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I understand that, but you don't blow up the youngest starting squad
in the NFL over it. You see if they have what it takes to fight OUT
of it, first. They have too much going right for them, in spite of the
high expectations to start the season. 5-6 is bad, but it's still the best
start to any season in this franchise's history. They are improving, just
not at the rate we all thought. They still ain't the Raiders, Chief's or
Browns.

My mind may change at the end of the '09 season, but for now, I'd say
keep the team together for another year.
 
DexmanC said:
Kubiak haters can't deny that we've had the best four drafts in team history
under his watch. Of all the players Kubiak got rid of when he took the team
over, how many of them remained in the league? I remember Antwan Peek,
David Carr, Travis Johnson, C.C. Brown, THAT'S IT!!! In his first two seasons, this team
had NO TALENT!!! The young talent he DRAFTED FOR are BARELY beginning
THEIR PRIMES! Last year, through the first ten, the Texans started 3-7. This
year, they started 5-5.

This is the first year, in Texans history, this team has had the ability to go
TOE-TO-TOE with ANYBODY. To blow this team up now, especially the
front office, would be the dumbest thing we could do. You get your new
coach, to lead us to one or two playoff seasons, but you bring in a GM who
thinks he's the smartest man on the planet and can't draft as well as Smithiak
has.

That is the "Gruden Syndrome" I mentioned. Keep this squad together for
another season. This team ain't going 8-8 in '09. From what I've seen,
they know what they are capable of, and are working hard to fix it. The
Steelers are only 1 game better than us, and they were SWEPT by the
BENGALS!!! THEY have ALSO lost 3-in-a-row, including a game to THE
FREAKING CHIEFS!!!

A little perspective here. We lost TWICE to the undefeated Colts, and once
to the undefeated "VY Titans." Mistakes happen with young teams. You
don't give them the death penalty midseason. Stand back, look at the big
picture, and consider our draft record. If we continue to draft well, winning
will be inevitable. You switch things up, you may spend more time at the
bottom of the NFL like the Browns, Chiefs, and Raiders, looking for the next
great talent evaluators. We have a young head coach, and a young GM,
and a young OC, and a young DC. Let them grow up a little bit.

SHEESH!!!
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You keep speaking of all this talent that Kubiak has brought in, and if that is the case, it's more of a reflection of poor coaching. If Kubiak is bringing in all this talent each year, why is it not translating to the field?
 
HOU-TEX said:
You keep speaking of all this talent that Kubiak has brought in, and if that is the case, it's more of a reflection of poor coaching. If Kubiak is bringing in all this talent each year, why is it not translating to the field?
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This is a question better asked AFTER the completion of the '09 season. They
still have a shot at finishing 10-6. In case you've forgotten, we've lost
two starters on our interior o-line, AND the best tightend in the AFC.

No running game, no making teams pay for doubling Dre. Yet they are about
to go 6-6 on Sunday. They were 4-7 at this time last year, and are 5-6
now. So, to say improvement isn't translating to the field when they have
a shot to go 10-6 is inaccurate.
 
DexmanC said:
This is a question better asked AFTER the completion of the '09 season. They
still have a shot at finishing 10-6. In case you've forgotten, we've lost
two starters on our interior o-line, AND the best tightend in the AFC.

No running game, no making teams pay for doubling Dre. Yet they are about
to go 6-6 on Sunday. They were 4-7 at this time last year, and are 5-6
now. So, to say improvement isn't translating to the field when they have
a shot to go 10-6 is inaccurate.
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Nice hyperbole. They still have a SHOT at 10-6 so theorhetically they can still improve!

For what it's worth the two starters we lost one was definitely good while the other...not so much, we were still stuck with the leftover choices that Kubiak decided to keep in the interior. I can't argue about losing OD, he was burning defenses bad when he got injured.

You know it sucks that this franchise started the way it did because some fans will have skewed views. People thought Sage Rosenfels was an alright QB mostly because the "best" they had seen prior to him was David Carr. Gray Kubiak looks like he can field a good squad because the "best" we've seen is Dom "Gap Mouthed" Capers. Rick Smith gets a free pass as a GM because of Charlie Casserly.

I'm not saying that Rick and Gary haven't composed a competitive roster, problem is we have to ask ourselves is it championship caliber? Honestly It's pieces away, but I don't have confidence they can identify those pieces.

I don't see how you can count us at 6-6 already. It's a meaningful game. Gary can't possibly have his team ready for it, it's his signature.

The other thing that bothers me Dex is your insistance that if we go with a different coach we're going to have to blow up the team. what makes you assume this is the case?
 
DexmanC said:
I understand that, but you don't blow up the youngest starting squad
in the NFL over it. You see if they have what it takes to fight OUT
of it, first. They have too much going right for them, in spite of the
high expectations to start the season. 5-6 is bad, but it's still the best
start to any season in this franchise's history. They are improving, just
not at the rate we all thought. They still ain't the Raiders, Chief's or
Browns.
My mind may change at the end of the '09 season, but for now, I'd say
keep the team together for another year.
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I'm sick of hearing this. Houston isn't Bagdad, either, but that doesn't mean this city doesn't have problems with crime.

Geez. Enough with that argument.
 
DexmanC said:
This is a question better asked AFTER the completion of the '09 season. They
still have a shot at finishing 10-6. In case you've forgotten, we've lost
two starters on our interior o-line, AND the best tightend in the AFC.

No running game, no making teams pay for doubling Dre. Yet they are about
to go 6-6 on Sunday. They were 4-7 at this time last year, and are 5-6
now. So, to say improvement isn't translating to the field when they have
a shot to go 10-6 is inaccurate.
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For the 200th time: We are not winning games that are important.

Do a Bart Simpson and write it on a blackboard 100 times: We are not winning games that are important.

10-6 would be nice, and, yes, it would be our first winning season. But - all together now - WE ARE NOT WINNING GAMES THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
 
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