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then by his logic you are wrong.
By my logic, you are right. Its too close to tell right now.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
Yea well they probably took Speech in High School too.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
ah. touche!
DiehardChris
You betcha!
I still think Namdi Asomugah is in that discussion - but RIGHT NOW in the NFL? Yep, agree.
Agreed
I thought he would be great when I saw him play the Coogs 3 yrs ago. He's faster than everybody on the field but runs hard and is willing to get his nose dirty.
He was a great help to my FF football team.
I thought he would be great when I saw him play the Coogs 3 yrs ago. He's faster than everybody on the field but runs hard and is willing to get his nose dirty.
He was a great help to my FF football team.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
Manning is 11-0 as a starter and has been tearing up the league. While I think it is close Manning leading his team to another division and probably the best record in the AFC has the nod. This coming from the guy who is a Titans fan and hates the Colts.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
If the Titans win out does Young get it? 
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Umm a NFL MVP doesn't start the season 0-6. He's the best running back in the league, but to call him the best player in the NFL or the league MVP is crazy.
Peyton is the best football player in his own division (the same division that CJ plays in) and Brett Farve has a much better case for league MVP.....that offense is completely night and day compared to where it was last year. The stats he's putting up are absolutely crazy.
If the Titans win out does Young get it?
If he keeps doing what he did today I say yes.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Peyton Manning gets it. He'll likely be burned out come playoff time, but he's the league MVP fo sho.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
the MVP is supposed to be given to the league's best player. the team's record has nothing to do with anything. "he" didn't start the season 0-6, the team did.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
he played well in those games. The only thing crazy is flat out denial of how good he is.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The MVP is given to the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER....not the LEAGUE'S BEST PLAYER. It's given to the player who's doing the most for his team. When your team starts 0-6, you aren't really helping them compete for a long playoff run.
and Chris Johnson is NOT THE LEAGUE's BEST PLAYER. He isn't even the best player in his own division, that goes to egg head up in Indy and probably will until he decides to hang up the cleats.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
when did I ever deny how good he is? I said he's the best running back???
Here is what I typed on another board when responding to who was the best running back in the league.
He's the best running back in the league, but would you honestly say he's better than Peyton Manning? If Manning was traded for Chris Johnson (which BTW, no G.M would ever trade Manning for Johnson) do you think the Colts would have a better record than the Titans? No, the Titans would've never started out 0-6 and no team in this league with Peyton on it (regardless of surrounding talent level) is ever going to lose a ballgame 59-0. (not to mention that they'll never be a player in NFL history who'll ever win a MVP award during a season where his team loses a game 59-0)
Again all of this isn't a shot at Chris Johnson, because he's special, it's just giving Manning his due respect. Just by position alone Chris Johnson will never beat out a elite QB as the "best player in the league", that's just how valuable the quarterback position is.
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Favre has to be on the short list - he has made that team much better. Sure they have a great defense , have for a couple years now and AP is probably the most complete back in the game but they havent done much winning - Add Favre to the mix and they are playing possibly the best football in the league right now.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Favre is my MVP as well.....at the age of 40, he's having one of the best seasons in NFL history. It's really absolutely insane when you really stop and think about what he's actually doing at that age. I'm starting to think the guy can play at a high level until he's almost 50, but then I wouldn't want to put up with all the offseason drama that would go along with that
bah007
Hall of Fame
Favre is my MVP as well.....at the age of 40, he's having one of the best seasons in NFL history. It's really absolutely insane when you really stop and think about what he's actually doing at that age. I'm starting to think the guy can play at a high level until he's almost 50, but then I wouldn't want to put up with all the offseason drama that would go along with that
After all that stuff you just said about Peyton Manning he isn't even your choice for MVP?...
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I said Chris Johnson wasn't even the best player in his division.....Peyton Manning is, last I checked Brett Favre doesn't play in the AFC South ????
I was talking about Brett Favre when I said Chris Johnson isn't the league MVP, but you couldn't really go wrong with Manning, Brees, or Favre when handing out the MVP this year. Right now my vote goes to Favre.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
no, the MVP isn't supposed to go to the player who is most valuable to their team. because that is highly speculative and nebulous and doesn't really many anything, since the whole argument is based on a hypothetical situation where the player is removed from the team and guessing what their record would be without them. you're looking too far into the word "valuable" there; it just means best player in the league.
and your second point is debatable.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
best non-QB MVP. Manning and Brees are more valuable. Sorry.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Where do you get this from? So they are just too stupid to name the award for what they mean? Right or wrong and which player I don't care, but they mean the valuable part of the award title. If anything, they really mean most valuable player [understood insert]on a winning team.[/understood insert]. Now I disagree with the understood part and don't think CJ should have the first 6 games held against him, but that is the way it goes. It's like with the Heisman - as far as I am concerned you could be the best player in college on a team with no wins but it won't happen. Effectively you have to be on a top 10 team.
Chris Johnson is fantastic and is having a great year. He certainly should be in the discussion for MVP. I disagree with saying he is a better player or is more valuable to his team than Manning but whatever.
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I never received that memo you sent out stating that Speech in HS, and proper public speaking was a prerequisite for being an elite back. Can you resend that memo please?
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
there's no indication that "valuable" means "valuable to their team." it should be understood that "most valuable" just means "most valuable player to the league." in other words, the player of most value, i.e. the best player in the NFL.
when a player wins MVP of the Super Bowl, should the award be given to the player who was "most valuable to their team" or to the player who had the best performance?
and no, the Heisman SHOULDN'T go to the quarterback on a top 10 team. it does, but that's because Heisman voters are morons, same with anyone who votes for the NFL MVP, considering 94% of the time the award has gone to a quarterback or runningback. only 3 times has a non-QB/RB won the MVP of the NFL. people make fun of the Heisman, but by comparison, the Heisman Trophy has been much more open to other positions winning the award than the NFL MVP has.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
If the Titans sneak into the playoffs (though a long shot) I think Johnson gets it. He is on a pace to set the record for yards from scrimmage.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
I don't see how Manning is the only name that gets mentioned in this MVP discussion when there are a few other QB's that have been arguably just as good.
MVP candidates this year should be Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Peydon Manning, and possibly Aaron Rodgers. All 4 of these guys have been magnificent for their teams and their team's success. Many people have over looked Rodgers, but he's carried the Packers all season long and they wouldn't be anywhere close to where they are without his great play. Favre has only thrown 3 freaking INT's this year and has over 20 TD's and there team has only lost one game which was a nail biter against the SB defending Steelers. Brees and Manning have both been wonderful and are undefeated. Chris Johnson should be an MVP candidate though.
MVP candidates this year should be Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Peydon Manning, and possibly Aaron Rodgers. All 4 of these guys have been magnificent for their teams and their team's success. Many people have over looked Rodgers, but he's carried the Packers all season long and they wouldn't be anywhere close to where they are without his great play. Favre has only thrown 3 freaking INT's this year and has over 20 TD's and there team has only lost one game which was a nail biter against the SB defending Steelers. Brees and Manning have both been wonderful and are undefeated. Chris Johnson should be an MVP candidate though.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
if they follow up CJ's ridiculous prediction of 10-6 and playoffs when they were 1-6 and he dominates like he has been doing, he could somehow pass up Peyton if the Colts lose a game. If either Colts or Saints are 16-0, that guy wins for sure, as well it should be..and if somehow they are both 16-0 then they should split the award and I think both QBs would be totally OK with that. There is some mutual respect and cooperation there if both are 16-0 going into the playoffs.
Isn't the award voting right after the regular season?
Its so funny that when CJ said that they would go 10-6 everyone thought he was on crack. Now four wins later they are at 5-6 and in the playoff mix....he might be on crack but they are halfway to his prediction...at least until they have to start playing the Colts...this week. If the Titans can beat the Colts in what is always a must-win game, that would be insane. I don't think there is a chance in hell they are going to make the playoffs, but I gotta respect that they are even in the conversation after the 0-6 start. I remember a certain Oiler team that was 1-3 and then rattled off 12 straight to go 13-3 and win the division for like the first time ever. Thanks Buddy.
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Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
Well if the Titans finish 10-6 the Colts will finish with at least 1 loss.
Yes playoff performance is not taken into consideration.
I thought they were 1-4 and came back to win out? I also believe that is the year of the Bills debacle. It would be hard not to give it to him if the Titans make the playoffs and he sets the record for most yards from scrimmage. Talk about being MVP for a team. If that happens it would be record setting in a lot of different fascist. Only team to start 0-6 and make the playoffs, CJ I believe is the only player to have 3 runs of 85+ yards in a season, he set a record in week 2 with catches and runs of over 50+ yards. If he gets 125 yards + rushing in the next game he would be the first player to have 6 consecutive games with 125 yards plus. Right now only 3 players have 5 in a row.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I'm not arguing the way things should be, I'm just stating the way it is done and MVP is going to go to a guy on a winning team, and the discussion will be over his value to the team. C'mon, you know this - it has been that way for a very long time. Off the top of my head, have to go back to the Cowboys v. Colts in the Super Bowl to find a guy on a losing team win MVP of the Super Bowl. I certainly think CJ should be in the discussion and if the Titans get to the playoffs and he gets over 2000 yds he might get it. I still don't think you on even your standard of best player can say he is a better player than Manning. And I hate Manning while respecting him.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
well yes, i'm well aware that Chris Johnson has no shot at winning the award. but i can still whine about it. and i'll accept the argument that Manning is a better player than Johnson this year, but it's just that, an argument. no sure thing. Favre has (easily) the highest passer rating in the league, and Drew Brees isn't too far behind. and Charles Woodson is a beast.
Goatcheese
Texan
CJ is ridiculous. I can see a serious argument for him winning the MVP. Unfortunately for him unless you set the rushing TD record the MVP trophy is a QB award.
No, he's really not. He's asked to do less, and still gets beat more often.
No, he's really not. He's asked to do less, and still gets beat more often.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
He's on both my fantasy teams, so he is a MVP to me
I agree with some others on here...no matter the definition, they will give it to a player on a contender so let's see if he can keep the run going.
what he has done though is sick...over 800 yards in a month.
I agree with some others on here...no matter the definition, they will give it to a player on a contender so let's see if he can keep the run going.
what he has done though is sick...over 800 yards in a month.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Woodson is having an amazing year this year.
Blazing Arrow
Work'n da grill
Bela-cheat is an utter D bag. She pulls her starters down by 14 with 5 min left in the 4th. That guy is a discrace to the NFL. Seriously coaches must feel like they are playing a 10 year old in madden. The guy is abosutly a joke.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
it almost feels like you went out of your way to make the most idiotic post imaginable.
stingray
Hall of Fame
I think you hold that title hands down.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
IMO Brees just passed Favre in the MVP race......having that kind of game against the Pats infront of a national audience will get him alot of votes.