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Slaton not following blocking scheme

dude. i like slaton. if he didn't fumble as often as he did, he'd be a premier back in this league. boy's got speed and i've seen him shake some mother****ers like it was 1+1. slaton's a weapon many a team wouldn't mind.

we just need a ron dayne type to complement him. you know, the whole two yards and a cloud of fat thing.
 
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A lot of a running back is instinctual. I bet most of them could not tell you why they zigged rather than zagged. It was just done. Following a pre-set plan is a learning thing. i compare it to a horse learning to manage a bit in its mouth. Running with two hands on the ball rather than one is another learning example. If you watch backs in college, most run with only one hand clutching the ball and when they get to NFL many lose the ball to professional "strippers". Yeah, I said it.
 
badboy said:
Running with two hands on the ball rather than one is another learning example. If you watch backs in college, most run with only one hand clutching the ball and when they get to NFL many lose the ball to professional "strippers". Yeah, I said it.
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Yeah, but the fumbling problem goes back to college for Slaton.
 
badboy said:
A lot of a running back is instinctual. I bet most of them could not tell you why they zigged rather than zagged. It was just done. Following a pre-set plan is a learning thing. i compare it to a horse learning to manage a bit in its mouth. Running with two hands on the ball rather than one is another learning example. If you watch backs in college, most run with only one hand clutching the ball and when they get to NFL many lose the ball to professional "strippers". Yeah, I said it.
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Losing your balls to professional strippers. Every teen boy's dream.
 
badboy said:
A lot of a running back is instinctual. I bet most of them could not tell you why they zigged rather than zagged. It was just done. Following a pre-set plan is a learning thing. i compare it to a horse learning to manage a bit in its mouth. Running with two hands on the ball rather than one is another learning example. If you watch backs in college, most run with only one hand clutching the ball and when they get to NFL many lose the ball to professional "strippers". Yeah, I said it.
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Many a great man has lost alot to professional "strippers".
 
Ain't nothin' wrong with scrippers, they just tryin' to be rebellion.

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mariowillshine15 said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/nfl/news;_ylt=AsSwDCveDpO_NcKB4kwcsBG5bZ8u?slug=sf-notebook_110809


"Also note, Slaton owners, that coach Alex Gibbs chewed him out (again) after he made a cut and ran sideways instead of up the field into an open hole. This is why Slaton leads the NFL in getting stuffed (times getting zero or minus yards rushing)."

Sounds like he has Reggie Bush syndrome, aka hitting the hole and getting hit.
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Many people have been saying that here.

Powerful dragon, we all know what Steve Slaton can be. What we don't know is why he isn't playing like he should. Last year, the thing that seperated him from Moats, IMO was his vision. Moats has him on speed hands down, no contest. But Steve saw the lanes where Moats didn't.

Now, Moats seems to have a nose for the seam.

I think they are both tough as nails, regardless of size. I think they'll both move the pile.... more than you'd think someone of their size would.


In the open field, Slaton has the moves, & he's exciting to watch. Moats is flat out fast.

Not many guys are going to catch Slaton once he gets by them, so we're not losing much "speed-wise" with Slaton on the field.

But if he's not seeing the lanes.... & he's not.. the carries should favor Moats.
 
I've been saying this all season. SS looks like the back he was drafted to be: 3rd down back, receiving out of the backfield. Could it be possible that last season was just a flash in the pan? I see plenty of try and he's not afraid of contact, so maybe this is the real SS in the pros.
 
DocBar said:
I've been saying this all season. SS looks like the back he was drafted to be: 3rd down back, receiving out of the backfield. Could it be possible that last season was just a flash in the pan? I see plenty of try and he's not afraid of contact, so maybe this is the real SS in the pros.
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May very well be. I can understand fans wanting him to be more than what he is.... but I don't understand why a professional NFL coach would try so hard to fit a Square peg in a round hole.

I don't know if Slaton is the next Gayle Sayers, not saying that he can't be. But it took way too long for Kubiak to make the switch. Especially considering the fumbling issues.

I don't know that Ryan Moats deserves to start on any NFL team, I'm not saying that either. But since Oakland, Ryan Moats & Chris Brown should have been getting a greater share of the carries.

Didn't need all the "who will be the starter?" drama.... they could've made the change, and never said a word.

If SS maximized on his 10-15 carries/game.... his role grows, if not, it shrinks depending on how the other backs are doing.
 
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Gotta be family or Slaton's agent, or a close friend. The dude's got talent but I don't agree with you about how Kubiak has handled him. He's been very patient and given him plenty of oppurtunities. He leads the league in fumbles lost, no denying, not good.
 
jaayteetx said:
Gotta be family or Slaton's agent, or a close friend. The dude's got talent but I don't agree with you about how Kubiak has handled him. He's been very patient and given him plenty of oppurtunities. He leads the league in fumbles lost, no denying, not good.
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Don't you see? This has never been about Slaton. This is about his hate for Kubiak. Slaton is just a vehicle that he's using to dis Kubiak.
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Can you do us all a favor and go start scouting out those other teams message boards right now? Just kind of get a head start on the process. Do it for Steve.
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Stop talking with your mouth full.
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.
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And let me be the first (or I don't know, probably about 50th so far) to introduce you and Mr. Slaton to the 2009/2010 season.
I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.
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He is a career scrub who exhibited the fumbling problem he had in Philly. There you go. I'll even do you one better and say I believe Slaton has been the most effective goalline runner. How do you like that apple?

Oh, but Andre Johnson is, has been and will continue to be our best playmaker. It's not even close and the fact that you can't see that is telling.
Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?
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Chris Brown? You mean that Chris Brown that has like 20 carries on the season? That is in danger of being replaced by a **** human being like Larry Johnson? C'mon.

Kubiak didn't ignore anything. If he had a RB he knew wouldn't drop the ball that guy would be playing, a la Daynetrain. Moats and Slaton split the snaps pretty well yesterday. Another thing you don't (won't) see.
Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Wow. You think that you're smarter than a guy who's been a player, a coach of position, a coordinator AND a head coach (and all pretty damn successfully at that)?

You can't hear his press conferences where he touts SS as a playmaker they need to win games? That he is still counted on? That Kubiak told the entire locker room "We need Steve Slaton"? This is all getting past you how?

Oh yeah, you're a troll.
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Meet me at the Hotel 6 near I-45 and 610. Ask for the key to room 16 under "Mr. Slaton".
 
unreals said:
Evidently, Slaton had no trouble finding the seams, or following the blocking scheme, last year, when he led the AFC in total yards, outgained all other rookie RBs (including Chris Johnson), averaged 5 ypc and was not bad in short yardage.

I thought maybe the yahooies here would give up on Moats after that sterling 16 carries for 38 yards performance in his first start, but I guess I underestimated the bandwagon mentality here. I even read a comment about Moats "finding the seam" better. Uh, how many seams can you find when you average just over 2 yards per carry? Admit it, he's a career scrub, exhibited the fumbling problem he was known for in Philly (ironic, since you all want to tar and feather your best playmaker because of fumbling) and was stuffed at the goal line as well.

Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?

Coaches and players sometimes clash. It's obvious that Kubiak doesn't appreciate the magnificent talent he has in Slaton. Most coaches are glorified gym teachers- Kubiak isn't the first guy to be clueless about something so obvious. At this point, he has set his heels in and will not admit his hard ass overreaction to Slaton's first fumble this season (and increasingly so with each susequent one) contributed to the problem. Slaton's self-confidence has been effected, and that's all on Kubiak. Slaton is a star, and will show that again, if not with the Texans, then with another lucky team that will appreciate him.
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Time to go, my little friend. SS got all th rope we could afford to give him. Just a cronic problem that wasn't being fixed.
 
unreals said:
Kubiak ignored Moats' fumble, which was just as crucial as Chris Brown's earlier fumble this season, which Kubiak also ignored. But when Slaton fumbled the first time this season, Kuibiak angrily pulled him from the game and has not relented since. Kind of a double standard, don't you think?
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No, that would be you making crap up. Slaton fumbled half way through the 2nd quarter of the Jets game. The Jets marched down the field for a TD. The next offensive play the Texans had after Slaton's fumble was a pass to Slaton which was nullified by penalty.
 
Dadgum, if it's possible to get banned for a certain amount of neg rep, this cat's got to be close. I think that's the most I've seen in a while around here. lol
 
HOU-TEX said:
Dadgum, if it's possible to get banned for a certain amount of neg rep, this cat's got to be close. I think that's the most I've seen in a while around here. lol
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It's just strange. I'm a huge Slaton fan too, but any sane person can acknowledge that he has a real problem that's preventing him from being the starter.
 
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