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All Time Overrated QB list (Min 5 years in league)

TheOgre

TheOgre

All Pro
1. Jeff George - Perhaps the best arm in NFL history. Too bad it was attached to that brain.
2. Doug Flutie - He had one great season in college and somehow he is a cult hero. O V E R R A T E D.
3. Jay Fiedler - nice winning percentage, but almost anyone could have won 10 games with the talent the Dolphins had on defense. They probably could have won a title with a REAL QB.
4. Mike Tomczak - did he ever play well?
5. Jeff Blake - he puts up good stats but loses consistently. How does he keep getting starting gigs with his winning percentage?
 
VERY true. I should have put more emphasis on the word OVERRATED. Oh well. Worth a good laugh at least.
 
I like TheOgre's list, though I'm not sure who actually rated Tomczak & Fielder highly. They just started a lot of games. To me, being overrated means that there's a contingent of "experts" that think a guy is the bomb. And there was a group of Jeff George lovers out there. Currently, he are a few guys who I think fit the overrated criteria.

Trent Green - Puts up numbers, but doesn't win a lot of games. Not a difference maker.

Drew Bledsoe - Has lived off a couple of good seasons in New England for too long. Age is the only major difference between Bledsoe & Testaverde.

As far as all-time, I think Joe Namath has to be mentioned. He threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns over the course of his career. Joe Willie got a lot of milage off of that 1 Super Bowl win.
 
I'll nominate Neil O'Donnell to the list. Nice job chocking in the biggest game of his life and it has been all down hill since.
 
Mirer would fall under the "bust" category with Leaf.

"Overrated" (to me anyways) means a player is hyped to be better than he really is.

But that's just me.
 
Cody Carleson
Rich Gannon
Tony Banks
Vinny Testaverde
Eli Manning
Dan Marino (sorry but he just couldn't do it HE!HE!) :crying:
 
big sarge said:
Cody Carleson
Rich Gannon
Tony Banks
Vinny Testaverde
Eli Manning
Dan Marino (sorry but he just couldn't do it HE!HE!) :crying:
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i admitt Eli Manning was a little overrated last year but its only his second season....


im gonna wait and call him overrated when he SUCKS again this season :)
 
BroncosRule226 said:
Right now I think one of the most overrated QB's is Micheal Vick
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Actually, I could not agree with that more. Vick is a great athlete, and very dangerous at that, but a QB he's not. Not yet anyway.
 
Ill catch hell from any lurking jag fan.. but Byron Leftwich.

Now, dont get me wrong, I think he is a talented QB. but according to the talking heads, and many other fans, he is the second coming of Joe Montana. Apparently he has a rocket for an arm (uh..no) pinpoint accuracy (no again), size (what good is size without durability or mobility?), clutch instincts (ok.. ill give ya that), and leadership skills (sure)

The fact of the matter is that Byron is a "clutch" QB (really... he is not that much better in a clutch situation than many other QBs), and he has leadership qualities. What he DOESNT have is a really strong arm (average), great accuracy (average), or anything resembling durability, or mobility.

All in all.. id say he is an average, to above average QB.. with a promising future in the NFL if the team is built to his strengths.. but he is NOT some rising superstar. Id compare him to Jake Delhomme.. he will get the job done, but the potential isnt there to dominate his position.
 
Mark Brunell, he had all the physical gifts, he could run and throw and do it well. But time and injurys have left him a shell of what he once was.
 
I honestly can't think of a QB who I think is a) overrated, and b) has been in the league 5 years at least. I know there's one out there and it will probably come to me after I hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. I'm just drawing a blank for some reason.

That reason is I have a QB question on my mind inspired by the responses in this thread. People ask you to name the best QB and it's usually pretty easy. They ask you to name the most overrated and everyone has an opinion (even me if I could just remember what it was). Likewise everyone can tell you who the busts were.

So would everyone please name one QB who was, in your opinion, basically a victim of the team who drafted him. Name the best QB who's talents were completely squandered because he played on a lousy team or for crummy coaches. Maybe he played in a bad system or got no protection, or he was put in a no-win situation and asked to follow a legend.

Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
 
hmmm.. i didnt see the parenthesied "5 year minimum".

Ahh well.. I still stick by my assessment of Lefty :)
 
Huge said:
Mirer would fall under the "bust" category with Leaf.

"Overrated" (to me anyways) means a player is hyped to be better than he really is.

But that's just me.
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I will disagree about Leaf being overrated. He was picked very high which means he was rated high, but did not perform even close to expectations. That makes him overrated. But he is also a bust.

BTW Akili Smith was also a bust and overrated. Brian Bosworth is another name that pops up.

I just think that the terms "bust" and "over-rated" are very closely related.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
I just think that the terms "bust" and "over-rated" are very closely related.
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That's why the 5 year limit is important here. If you get drafted early like Leaf or Mirer then obviously the teams consider you to be pretty darned good. If you never pan out then clearly you're a bust. That's easy enough to figure out right there.

IF however you make it to 5 years in the league and people still think of you as being worth that early day one pick BUT you haven't done anything to deserve being though of like that then you're overrated.

And Archie Manning was a good one. Probably you're right Vinny about him being the ultimate answer to that question. There have been others but nobody has ever had the horror story of a career he had with that much potential just wasted by the team that picked him.

Our own Dante Pastorini I think falls into that catagory (Though not as bad a story as Archie) and his career could have been so much more if a better franchise had drafted him. I also think that Tommy Maddox obviously is a genuine "could have been" and that a lot of years were wasted with him in the wrong situation before Pittsburgh brought his career back from the dead. Early, pre-Raiders Jim Plunkett was a little like that too.
 
Count me in with those who mentioned Ron Mexico, er, I mean, Michael Vick. Great athlete, could revolutionize the game and the position, but he's a gimmick under center. Until he learns how to play QB, teams will always know that they have to shut his runs down to beat Atlanta. The Falcons don't seem to beat teams with good defenses too often, and that's why. They only really have to defend against the run. Vick can't beat anyone with his arm, at least not yet. He tries to force the ball into openings AFTER his receivers come free, and doesn't anticipate ahead of time when that's going to happen. You won't have great success as a throwing QB if you try to play the game that way.
 
Hervoyel said:
I honestly can't think of a QB who I think is a) overrated, and b) has been in the league 5 years at least. I know there's one out there and it will probably come to me after I hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. I'm just drawing a blank for some reason.

That reason is I have a QB question on my mind inspired by the responses in this thread. People ask you to name the best QB and it's usually pretty easy. They ask you to name the most overrated and everyone has an opinion (even me if I could just remember what it was). Likewise everyone can tell you who the busts were.

So would everyone please name one QB who was, in your opinion, basically a victim of the team who drafted him. Name the best QB who's talents were completely squandered because he played on a lousy team or for crummy coaches. Maybe he played in a bad system or got no protection, or he was put in a no-win situation and asked to follow a legend.

Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
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Vinny already named one but I'll name another - Trent Dilfer

Those early Tampa teams he played on were terrible. About the time they started to come around (and Dilfer's stats were improving), they released him. Everybody said when he got to Baltimore all he had to do was not lose games. But if you look at his stats from that season...

134/226 (59.3%), 1502 yards, 12 TDs, 11 INTs, 76.6 rating

His yards and TDs are low but look at his number of attempts. He had a pretty high completion percentage as well. His rating was still respectable despite the high number of INTs.


rittenhouserobz said:
I will disagree about Leaf being overrated. He was picked very high which means he was rated high, but did not perform even close to expectations. That makes him overrated. But he is also a bust.

BTW Akili Smith was also a bust and overrated. Brian Bosworth is another name that pops up.

I just think that the terms "bust" and "over-rated" are very closely related.
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If this is your view, then I can see how you would think "bust" and "overrated" are closely related.

To me, a player's draft position usually has a lot to do with how they performed in college. So in a way, they earned that draft position. So they can't be considered "overrated" based on where they were drafted.

Now you can say a player is "overrated" if he's drafted higher than you think he ought to be. But that doesn't have anything to do with their performance on the field in the NFL because they have yet to take the field. So they can't be classified as a "bust". At least not yet anyway.

And if they don't pan out after being drafted high, then they're certainly considered to be busts.

And you don't have to be a "bust" to be "overrated". Most would consider Donovan McNabb to be a pretty good QB. But for the 2003 season, he had just 16 TDs with 11 INTs and a 79.6 QB rating. Yet he still went to the Pro Bowl that season.

Going to the Pro Bowl means he was "overrated" for that season. But that doesn't mean he's a "bust" as a player.

I see a big difference between the way you and I look at the two different terms.
 
Huge I appreciate the insight. Now that I think about McNabb. The media made it sound like he arrived from Mt. Olympus and he would win SB after SB earlier in his career.

I geuss I am putting overrated in relation to draft position, because so much scouting goes into picking players in the NFL draft. The players today begin to get "rated" in high school. It only escalates from there.

I geuss its like the stock market. You can have a ".com" company valued really high without having any "real assets". For a player that would mean the outside skills look does not match the inside heart and knowledge of the game.
 
Hervoyel said:
I honestly can't think of a QB who I think is a) overrated, and b) has been in the league 5 years at least. I know there's one out there and it will probably come to me after I hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. I'm just drawing a blank for some reason.

That reason is I have a QB question on my mind inspired by the responses in this thread. People ask you to name the best QB and it's usually pretty easy. They ask you to name the most overrated and everyone has an opinion (even me if I could just remember what it was). Likewise everyone can tell you who the busts were.

So would everyone please name one QB who was, in your opinion, basically a victim of the team who drafted him. Name the best QB who's talents were completely squandered because he played on a lousy team or for crummy coaches. Maybe he played in a bad system or got no protection, or he was put in a no-win situation and asked to follow a legend.

Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
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Be careful or you'll get the Palmer hater mob involved in this one...

I think someone that could one day fall under this category is Aaron Rodgers. He may turn out to be a fine QB but by the time he's starting the Packers could very well be rebuilding, they've already lost parts of their offensive line (Wahle and Rivera) and Ahman Green could be slowing down by then. Throw in the bombshell that he's asked to succeed Favre and that could be a formula for failure.

All hypothetical of course...
 
Hervoyel said:
That's why the 5 year limit is important here. If you get drafted early like Leaf or Mirer then obviously the teams consider you to be pretty darned good. If you never pan out then clearly you're a bust. That's easy enough to figure out right there.

IF however you make it to 5 years in the league and people still think of you as being worth that early day one pick BUT you haven't done anything to deserve being though of like that then you're overrated.
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I haven't had a chance to come back and check on this. This is exactly it. I couldn't have said it better myself. I wanted to avoid the guys that basically played their rookie contracts and were never heard from again.
 
I honestly hope Leftwich AND Carr become superstars. It will make for some ALL-TIME GREAT football TWICE a year. I dont see how anyone can root against that. I mean I can't remember when I've seen that since maybe I dont know say.....Kosar-Elway.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Huge I appreciate the insight. Now that I think about McNabb. The media made it sound like he arrived from Mt. Olympus and he would win SB after SB earlier in his career.

I geuss I am putting overrated in relation to draft position, because so much scouting goes into picking players in the NFL draft. The players today begin to get "rated" in high school. It only escalates from there.

I geuss its like the stock market. You can have a ".com" company valued really high without having any "real assets". For a player that would mean the outside skills look does not match the inside heart and knowledge of the game.
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I totally disagree Mcnabb is still one of the best QB's in the Nfl Top 5 For sure
The reason he hasn't been winning super bowls is because his team just recently decided to put some real talent around him But if you want to put the over rated tag on him because he dosent have a super bowl than why not put Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Boomer, Randell Cuningham, And Steve Mcnair come on u shouldn't throw the overated tag around so losely
 
rittenhouserobz said:
BTW Akili Smith was also a bust and overrated. Brian Bosworth is another name that pops up.

I just think that the terms "bust" and "over-rated" are very closely related.
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Brian Bosworth was not a bust. He had a pretty decent, but due to an injury, short career. Everyone remembers Bo Jackson running him over, but he was actually a pretty good player. Unfortunatley he was a victim of his own hype.
 
5 years....
JEFF GEORGE-Given all the chances in the world, and did not capitalize on any of them.

DREW BLEDSOE-As said above, had a couple of good years and that's it. It seemed he was pissed when he finally won a Super Bowl, with Tom Brady starting the game. The look on his face was not one of joy.

JAY SCHROEDER-Not as bad as Jeff George, but not far behind.

JAY FIEDLER-What was up with this long-term project? I never saw anything in him.

KORDELL STEWART-He should have been happy with his role as "slash".
 
michaelm said:
Chad Pennington might make the list if he's not careful...
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Pennington has close to a 94 career QB rating. As the 18th overall pick of the 2000 draft, I'd say that's pretty good. Staying healthy has been a problem but I wouldn't have "injured all the time" as a category under "overrated".

B.Diddy said:
I totally disagree Mcnabb is still one of the best QB's in the Nfl Top 5 For sure
The reason he hasn't been winning super bowls is because his team just recently decided to put some real talent around him But if you want to put the over rated tag on him because he dosent have a super bowl than why not put Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, Boomer, Randell Cuningham, And Steve Mcnair come on u shouldn't throw the overated tag around so losely
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The example I used on McNabb was only one season (when he made the Pro Bowl and truly didn't deserve it). I too think he's one of the top QBs in the league and even though he's an Eagle, he's one of my favorite players. You'd be hardpressed to find anything negative about McNabb.

MarleyFan said:
5 years....
JEFF GEORGE-Given all the chances in the world, and did not capitalize on any of them.
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Jeff George - Career Pro Bowls - 0
Again, there's a difference between "bust" and "overrated". "Bust"? Certainly. But has anybody claimed Jeff George to be one of the better QBs in league history?
 
Yeah but McNabb donates the money made from those commercials to charity.

See what I mean?
 
Drew Bledsoe.............PERIOD.


He's still being overrated..........getting signed to big contracts by Buffalo and now Dallas............what has he done lately ?


Oh man, I'm just glad that the Cowboys got him.........it will make our next meeting a little sweeter.........even sweeter, Drew Henson looks like the next Overrated DREW........I can't believe that we got a 3rd rounder for him.


:highfive:
 
throwANDREtheBALL said:
Drew Bledsoe.............PERIOD.


He's still being overrated..........getting signed to big contracts by Buffalo and now Dallas............what has he done lately ?
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He threw for over 4000 yards in 2002. His problem is that he is probably the least mobile QB in the game. Add to it that he holds onto the ball too long to try to make a play and that is a recipe for too many sacks. Dallas line is far superior to that of the Bills. I am not a Cowboys fan (they are my 31st favorite team in the league with only Pittsburgh trailing them), but I think Bledsoe will do well this year. I think the Cowboys are going to win about 10 games this year.
 
Hervoyel said:
Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
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thats a good statement.and a tough one. I will have to think about it.


Just look at Ben Rothlisberger. I think he has alot of talent and skills..........but do you think he would have gone 14-1 or 13-1 (somethin like that) if the Cardinals took him instead of Fitzgerled?No. he was just put in the right situation on the right team.


ok I thought about and I will have to go with Archie Manning. I think the same thing will happen to Eli like it happened to Archie
 
Just an opinion and one that may get me slammed but when I think of overrated I think Brett Favre.

Just a reckless gunslinger. Exciting yes, great hmmm I don't know.
 
Michael Vick - For obvious reasons
David Carr - Will never live up to the potential fans say.
Drew Bledsoe - Can he ever play up to his contract?
 
TheOgre said:
1. Jeff George - Perhaps the best arm in NFL history. Too bad it was attached to that brain.
2. Doug Flutie - He had one great season in college and somehow he is a cult hero. O V E R R A T E D.
3. Jay Fiedler - nice winning percentage, but almost anyone could have won 10 games with the talent the Dolphins had on defense. They probably could have won a title with a REAL QB.
4. Mike Tomczak - did he ever play well?
5. Jeff Blake - he puts up good stats but loses consistently. How does he keep getting starting gigs with his winning percentage?
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Flutie won four Most Outstanding Player awards, threw for 45667 yards, had a 59.8 completion percentage, and threw for 297 TD's in 9 seasons of USFL and CFL play. He might not have done it in the NFL, but it's still pro football.
 
Troy Aikman
Jim McMahon
Phil Simms
Pat Haden
Steve Bartkowski
Ken Anderson
Boomer Esiason
Jeff Garcia

Mostly large market guys will be the overrated variety. Just like Parcells on the coaching side. Without the NY media and a coked up LT, we would never have heard about Parcells' greatness.
 
Hervoyel said:
I honestly can't think of a QB who I think is a) overrated, and b) has been in the league 5 years at least. I know there's one out there and it will probably come to me after I hit the "Post Quick Reply" button. I'm just drawing a blank for some reason.

That reason is I have a QB question on my mind inspired by the responses in this thread. People ask you to name the best QB and it's usually pretty easy. They ask you to name the most overrated and everyone has an opinion (even me if I could just remember what it was). Likewise everyone can tell you who the busts were.

So would everyone please name one QB who was, in your opinion, basically a victim of the team who drafted him. Name the best QB who's talents were completely squandered because he played on a lousy team or for crummy coaches. Maybe he played in a bad system or got no protection, or he was put in a no-win situation and asked to follow a legend.

Name the one guy who didn't work out who you think would have IF he'd been in a better situation.
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Patrick Ramsey. Redskins didn't want him when they drafted him at the end of the first round. Couldn't start because he didn't go to the U. of Fla under the old ball coach. Gibes came in and got Brunell. Then wash drafted Campbell in the first round. With Ramsey not getting reps. in practice with the first team, then having to go in and play more or less cold after the Fla.crew failed and Brunell floped his first year in Wash, Ramsey lost any time to develop and looked worse than he might have been if given time to develop. Will never know if Ramsey would have been good or not. If he had been drafted by thats say Dallas, things might have been different.
 
Tom Brady most overrated.

Premise: Super Bowl teams and playing the visible role on a Super Bowl teams
Overrated defined in the classical sense: given a higher rating by majority then what the actual rating would most likely be. Not meaning a poor QB, but 'overrated'.

Given a list to name the highest rated QBs, Brady would crack the top ten in all 50 States ( except maybe not Alaska ).

IF Brady played some where besides New England, would he have looked so neat and clean? There is not a lot of evidence to boost this claim, but I do point to one tuck call and the fact that Bledsoe ( a commonly listed overrated QB ) was able to guide the same team through a championship game .

If Brady was really the secret sauce they should have failed with out him.
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What up with calling Bartkowski and Namath overrated?

Both played hurt when they should have hung it up. See NFL Films Lost Treasures. When they were healthy they were on top of the NFL. Bartkowski two Pro-Bowl years in his only complete seasons. Namath... well he was little beat up by the time the merger came along, in the meantime he was cooking the rankings from 65-72 while playing on only one Super Bowl team.
 
TwinSisters said:
What up with calling Bartkowski and Namath overrated?
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This may be the first time in internet history that two people have debated whether or not Steve Bartkowski was over rated. Since we are chartering unchartered waters I will use my words carefully with undaunted respect. Over rated is not a quantifiable statistic as it totally resides with the perception of that point in time. Having watched football religiously since 1976 I remember Bartkowski's hype being huge. Very nice player but promoted heavily for only a good QB in my opinion
 
Kaiser Toro said:
This may be the first time in internet history that two people have debated whether or not Steve Bartkowski was over rated. Since we are chartering unchartered waters I will use my words carefully with undaunted respect. Over rated is not a quantifiable statistic as it totally resides with the perception of that point in time. Having watched football religiously since 1976 I remember Bartkowski's hype being huge. Very nice player but promoted heavily for only a good QB in my opinion
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The Falcons retired his number 10. But I will aggre with you. I didn't think he was all that great.
 
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