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VERBA: 35 MILLION or Else

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone made a "get Verba now" thread...I saw this in the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"That's great," said Verba when informed Friday night about Shelton. "Now they have a left tackle and hopefully they'll cut me. Please cut me now!"

Verba, who's been holding out for a bigger contract, said those plans haven't changed. He has said he'll sit out the season if the Browns don't up the ante. Verba is under contract for two more seasons at $2.95 million a year, but wants a five-year deal worth about $38.5 million.
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Let's give another aging veteran a ridiculous contract, great idea :rolleyes: ...
 
even if we got verba, he'd probably injure his left shoulder before the season, sit out a year or two, then retire.
 
how about not...this guy thinks he's the next chad clifton or something...he's an average guard playing LT...i would gladdly take another year of seth wand playing LT and pitts playing LG rather than sign this joke and see him f-up the o-line...and THERE IS NO WAY he is worth 38.5 million dollars
 
keyfro said:
how about not...this guy thinks he's the next chad clifton or something...he's an average guard playing LT...i would gladdly take another year of seth wand playing LT and pitts playing LG rather than sign this joke and see him f-up the o-line...and THERE IS NO WAY he is worth 38.5 million dollars
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I agree. Why waste ALOT of money on this guy, when we have Pitts at LG and a sure to improve Wand at LT. If Wand somehow doesnt progress enough to be a good enough starter for us this year, there is always a very strong OT draft coming up next season. Anyways, when CC was talking on TV at the Astros game the other day, he said they want to build this team through the draft and not through FAs. I would rather let Seth Wand show us what he is made of this year, and if its not enough grab a LT in the high 1st round of the draft next year.
 
Ross Verba is one of the premier tackles in the game. Let me make you aware of something. People talk about hes an aging veteran but look at Walter Jones,Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden. All 4 of these players are 30 or older including Ross so you are telling me that you would not sign any of the 4 b/c they are getting older? And to the guy who said something about him being injured he missed 22 games out of a possible 128 games. Which means throughout his career he has played 83% of the time. So I think the injury argument is stupid. Obviously Charley Casserly is not throwin money around b/c if he was we would have signed Boulware and Shelton so I say sign Verba to a good deal and let that be that.
 
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET OFF WAND'S WAND BECAUSE HE WILL NEVER BE A PREMEIR TACKLE IN THIS LEAGUE. WE NEED TO GO AND GET ONE AND VERBA WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE IF HE BECOMES AVALIBLE. IF WE DO NOT GET A GOOD ONE SOON WE MAY NOT SEE CARR MUCH LONGER . HIS TIME IS RUNNING OUT. :bomb:
 
texansfan1974 said:
YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET OFF WAND'S WAND BECAUSE HE WILL NEVER BE A PREMEIR TACKLE IN THIS LEAGUE. WE NEED TO GO AND GET ONE AND VERBA WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT CHOICE IF HE BECOMES AVALIBLE. IF WE DO NOT GET A GOOD ONE SOON WE MAY NOT SEE CARR MUCH LONGER . HIS TIME IS RUNNING OUT. :bomb:
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Are you angry? Why are you yelling at everyone here? Let's talk. . .
 
I was all for getting a new lt, but I don’t want to pull someone in because we are in need and will jump at anyone available. Shelton was a teams castoff, and he is replacing another teams cast off. I would much rather stick it out another year, and take someone in a draft that has good tackles in it. That way we get someone young, who is good, and who can grow with this team, and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg because we are so desperate.

Someone said it in another post somewhere. If we are going to acquire another FA this year, I would much rather it be a quality TE (if one comes available) and just hold off till next years draft and get ourselves a new tackle. . .
 
Texans Pride said:
I was all for getting a new lt, but I don’t want to pull someone in because we are in need and will jump at anyone available. Shelton was a teams castoff, and he is replacing another teams cast off. I would much rather stick it out another year, and take someone in a draft that has good tackles in it. That way we get someone young, who is good, and who can grow with this team, and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg because we are so desperate.

Someone said it in another post somewhere. If we are going to acquire another FA this year, I would much rather it be a quality TE (if one comes available) and just hold off till next years draft and get ourselves a new tackle. . .
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Yeah, because an LT is no where as an important as having a TE who can catch and block :rolleyes:
 
duntadaman23 Ross Verba is one of the premier tackles in the game.
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in what world is verba one of the premier tackles in the game...i honestly do not think that any of the gm's in the league believe he is worth 38.5 million...especially his own gm...the browns haven't had a LT since they came back to the league...ross verba isn't the guy we need...now i'm not saying that seth wand is the answer but the answer will probably going to come in next years draft
 
A tightend is very important but, how can you throw the ball with no protection. Without a left tackle this will be Carr. :ouch:
 
ComstockLode said:
Yeah, because an LT is no where as an important as having a TE who can catch and block :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure if we are on the same page here or not. Are you saying that getting another TE during FA is not a good idea, and that we should grab a LT who is available? Or are you saying we should get a quality TE if one comes available and worry about the LT during the draft next year?

I believe the latter of the two is the best choice at this point.
 
texansfan1974 said:
A tightend is very important but, how can you throw the ball with no protection. Without a left tackle this will be Carr. :ouch:
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That's a cute picture but I'm not sure what you are trying to say? That picture looks like that thing is in a limbo contest.... HEY CARR, HOW LOW CAN YOU GO, HOW LOW CAN YOU GO!
 
I thought the coaches addressed that already. Didn't they say they are going to more 3 and 5 step passes with more blocking? I think his protection is paramount this year. I am just hoping and praying that the Texans land a franchise LT in the next draft.
 
I am just hoping and praying that the Texans land a franchise LT in the next draft.
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I'd rather have a premier tight end. I also don't want to see us drafting very high next year.
 
Our own pick won't be that high. I'd set the over-under at 18. But I expect to see Casserly trade up into the top ten or as high as he thinks is necessary to get whichever tackle he likes best, probably using Davis and/or Ragone as leverage.
 
well i think it comes down to who do you think is better Wand or Verba.
I think the Texans have enough cap room to sign verba. What would it hurt to bring the guy in and give him a chance if he can be just a little better than wand i say go for it.
 
Why do you want a guy who could just be a little better than Wand? Its starting to look like we are going with Wand and Pitts. Let them battle it out.

We made a run at Pace.
We made a smaller run at Shelton.
Now you want Verba? C'mon. I would rather have Pitts at LT.

2006 NFL draft.
Offensive Tackles
1. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia
2. Eric Winston, Miami (FL)
3. Jonathan Scott, Texas
4. Marcus McNeill, Auburn
5. Andrew Whitworth, L.S.U.

God I hope we finally get our franchise Left Tackle.
 
getting verba would put us in the same as if we signed pace (not counting the compensation). i just wish everybody wouldn't jump at every "name" FA or FA to be.
 
Verba is old, declining and starting to pick up injuries. Wand is young and still improving, and has had time to get used to our blocking schemes. Verba at his best may well have been better than Wand will ever be, but Wand now is probably better than Verba now and Wand in a year or two's time will be a damn sight better than Verba then. Moreover, Verba seems to want an utterly preposterous contract. No go, especially as he hasn't even been cut yet.
 
I know this is a gossip site, but here is a look at Verba from profootballtalk.com

VERBA BLASTED IN LEAGUE CIRCLES

Though he has not yet commanded the same degree of media attention as T.O. on his demands for a new deal, Browns offensive lineman Ross Verba is getting blasted repeatedly by league insiders for his current contract.

As one league insider told us over the weekend, "Verba is one of the biggest *******s in the league. . . . [H]e is just about hated in the Cleveland locker room. He is a huge cancer."

Breaking it down simply and clearly, the source said, "He wants to get released because he thinks someone else will give him money. They will. The veteran's minimum."

Tell us, source, what you really think . . . .

"[Verba] ain't that good. He was an average player on one of the poorest teams in the league and a chronic complainer. Do you think anyone wants to pay for that? Especially at this late date? Just another case of an over inflated ego that has no clue what his real value is. If I was Cleveland, I would let him sit and fine the sh-t out of him. I would also try and get back some of his [$465,000] roster bonus they just paid him."

Speaking of bonus money, other league sources have 'splained to us that the real problem here is that Verba and his agent, Tom Condon, mishandled the situation a year ago when the team approached the veteran tackle regarding a restructuring of his contract. He was in the final year of a four-year, $16 million deal, and he was set to earn $4 million in 2004.

As we've previously argued, if Verba wanted to get paid big money, he should have refused to re-do his deal. Then, he either would have been cut last year and hit the open market, or he would have finished out his contract at $4 million in '04 and become eligible for free agency in 2005.

Instead, Verba and Condon agreed to add years to the deal, with none of the devices typically used to give the player freedom from the contract prematurely -- which can set the stage for a new contract either from the team he's already on or as an unrestricted free agent.

And to the extent that Verba believes former Browns coach Butch Davis "promised" him a new, more lucrative contract, the lesson for every player is that, if it ain't in writing, it don't mean squat. Also, these "side deals" are more officially known by a different name -- "salary cap violations."

Maybe that's why the Browns have been treading somewhat lightly on this situation thus far. If, after all, Verba decides to make a big stink about allegations that Davis made guarantees of future pay days that were not reduced to writing -- and if Davis admits that this indeed occurred -- the Browns could be in a little trouble with the league for cheating on the cap (but without the two late-'90s Super Bowl trophies to show for it).
 
infantrycak said:
Hey, I hear Matt Stevens is available--he is one of the premier FS's in the league.

Sheesh people, really.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if I heard that from someone on this board .... In a serious context, of course.
 
some none Matt Stevens info..Verba given the permission to seek trade or the "we are going to cut you, but will try to get something from some sucker"

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1118136795257600.xml&coll=2

The Browns have given disgruntled left tackle Ross Verba permission to talk to other teams willing to trade for him.

They filed the necessary paperwork with the NFL office on Saturday, the same day L.J. Shelton signed a one-year contract, ostensibly to replace Verba.

General Manager Phil Savage said on Monday that the Browns have not formally closed the door on Verba returning to the team, but trading him would be the preference.
 
i saw this over at foxsports.com I hope its not true, because i want verba to stay out of Houston.

The Plain Dealer's Tony Grossi reports that Browns left tackle Ross Verba has been given permission to work out a trade. Look for Verba to land with the Bears, Texans or Chiefs.

FoxSports.com Rumors
 
Ross Verba may buy his way out. I'm betting this move backfires on over-inflated ego boy:

Ross Verba will be released by the Browns today when he agrees to repay a $465,000 roster bonus to the club.

A source close to Verba said Tuesday that Verba would give back the roster bonus to gain his freedom. He wants a contract better than the one that pays him $2.9 million in 2005 and 2006. Verba's exit was in the works after he told owner Randy Lerner he wanted out of Cleveland.
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Let's see who (crosses fingers it isn't the Texans) is willing to pay him more than $6.3 mil over the next two seasons.

Doesn't he realize as soon as a team says they are willing to trade a player it is a forgone conclusion they will release him?

Link
 
This is Soooo going to blow back in his face. He was a pain in the backside in Greenbay and looks like he is the same in Cleveland. At one point he was an above average player, but he is on the wrong side of his career now with an over inflated ego.
 
He is talking about getting out of Clevland. Alot of dudes are probably kicking and screaming to do that.
 
We will be listed as "interested" in every player that can potentially start at LT until we find a solution to our problems there.
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
In Ahhnold's Voice

Thats vhy ve need to draaft Linemons..... and not vaste picks.... un runningbawks and QB. Yeahhhhh....
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What OLman would you have taken in the 3rd round of the 2003 draft?

What OLman would you have taken in the 3rd round of the 2005 draft?

(I assume you're criticizing the drafting of Ragone and Morency)
 
you know i don't see verba being worth anything other than vet. minimum...and he won't take that...i say let's stick with wand at LT and pitts at LG and see if wand can come into his own...i mean what if the three year rule works and wand only lets 3-5 sacks this season...are we still gonna want a LT in the draft or redirect attention to TE?
 
keyfro said:
you know i don't see verba being worth anything other than vet. minimum...and he won't take that...i say let's stick with wand at LT and pitts at LG and see if wand can come into his own...i mean what if the three year rule works and wand only lets 3-5 sacks this season...are we still gonna want a LT in the draft or redirect attention to TE?
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If Wand gives up 9 sacks and commits 3 penalties while continuing to run block well, he's ahead of most of the supposed good LTs everyone is talking about:

Bryant McKinney
Levi Jones
LJ Shelton
Jordan Gross, etc...

I'll say right now, he won't give up more than 8 sacks this year. If he does, I'll scream "UNCLE" to Bottle of Bud and Ibar Harry.
 
dalemurphy said:
I'll say right now, he won't give up more than 8 sacks this year. If he does, I'll scream "UNCLE" to Bottle of Bud and Ibar Harry.
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Let's keep this quoted because it will be a very exciting thread if DM ever has to cry uncle to those guys. :highfive:
 
Ross Verba says he will give them the check Thursday, then will be released then. Maybe we should call Tom Condon and see if he wants to visit Houston
 
duntadaman23 said:
Ross Verba is one of the premier tackles in the game. Let me make you aware of something. People talk about hes an aging veteran but look at Walter Jones,Orlando Pace, and Jonathan Ogden. All 4 of these players are 30 or older including Ross so you are telling me that you would not sign any of the 4 b/c they are getting older? And to the guy who said something about him being injured he missed 22 games out of a possible 128 games. Which means throughout his career he has played 83% of the time. So I think the injury argument is stupid. Obviously Charley Casserly is not throwin money around b/c if he was we would have signed Boulware and Shelton so I say sign Verba to a good deal and let that be that.
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your post went out the window right from the beginning. This man is HORRIBLE!
 
Texans | Expected to Pursue Verba - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:08:22 -0700

ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Houston Texans are expected to be one of the team's most interested in free agent OT Ross Verba (Browns).
 
Is it just me or does it look like the Browns getting Spears and us getting Verba seems like two desperate teams switching bad players. I geuss the Texans are willing to throw anything against the wall and see if it sticks. :party:
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Is it just me or does it look like the Browns getting Spears and us getting Verba seems like two desperate teams switching bad players. I geuss the Texans are willing to throw anything against the wall and see if it sticks. :party:
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More likely just John Clayton throwing anything against the wall. Why in the world would the Texans pay more money for an over-inflated ego guard playing LT rather than just offer a little more (but still probably less than Verba) to Shelton? I'm not buying the desparation Clayton and the other media folks are selling--the Texans are looking for depth/competition from a bargain, not trying to throw big money at anyone willing to come here.
 
infantrycak said:
More likely just John Clayton throwing anything against the wall. Why in the world would the Texans pay more money for an over-inflated ego guard playing LT rather than just offer a little more (but still probably less than Verba) to Shelton? I'm not buying the desparation Clayton and the other media folks are selling--the Texans are looking for depth/competition from a bargain, not trying to throw big money at anyone willing to come here.
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http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1118396097217001.xml&coll=2

BROWNS
Verba on high road on way out of Berea
Friday, June 10, 2005
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter
Left tackle Ross Verba walked into the Browns' facility on Thursday morning, returned a bonus check for $465,000, said goodbye to his teammates and was promptly released.

Before he left, he even got a chance to wish good luck to his replacement, L.J. Shelton, who was introduced Thursday afternoon as the Browns' new starting left tackle.

Talk about not letting the door hit you on the way out.

"The deed is done," said Verba. "Now I'm free to sign with any team. It's over."

Verba, 31, is the top offensive tackle on the open market and is free to sign with anyone. He said his agent, Tom Condon, told him that 10 teams have already called to express interest. He wouldn't reveal which ones, but did name a few he'd like to play for.

"I'm interested mostly in the teams that need tackles," he said. "I'd like to play for San Diego, Houston, Buffalo, Chicago, Kansas City, San Francisco, someone like that."

He said he'll start making visits next week. But those with little cash to spare need not apply.

"I'm telling teams, 'If you're not willing to give me a big multiyear contract, don't even bring me in," he said.

How big? "$35 million," said Verba. "If I don't get what I want, I'll walk away from the game and hold my head up high."

He said his teammates were disappointed to see him go.
 
TexansNeedRBin05 said:
YA! :highfive: We get him and Henry were gonan be AWESOMEEEEEE!
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I will pass on this inflated head:

NFL | Cash and Commitment Needed to Sign Verba - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:09:00 -0700

Mary Kay Cabot, of the Plain Dealer, reports free agent OT Ross Verba said he plans to start making visits to teams next week. He said his agent, Tom Condon, told him that 10 teams have already called to express interest. He wouldn't reveal which ones, but did name a few he'd like to play for. "I'm interested mostly in the teams that need tackles," he said. "I'd like to play for San Diego, Houston, Buffalo, Chicago, Kansas City, San Francisco, someone like that." Verba said he will tell teams not to call unless they will be offering a big, multiyear contract. When asked how big, Verba replied, "$35 million." "If I don't get what I want, I'll walk away from the game and hold my head up high."
 
"I'm telling teams, 'If you're not willing to give me a big multiyear contract, don't even bring me in," he said.

How big? "$35 million," said Verba. "If I don't get what I want, I'll walk away from the game and hold my head up high."

Drunk on his own glory, he waddles away
 
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