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Chris Palmer and Billy Miller on 790am in the 8 o'clock hour

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
Most interesting thing so far is that Palmer lays the Offense at the doorstep of Capers...he's (Palmer) only doing the offense that Capers asks for.
 

Vinny

shiny happy fan
I'm not sure if they archive their shows. Palmer's interview is over but Miller has yet to come on. I think Miller will be live.
 

Vinny

shiny happy fan
disaacks3 said:
Most interesting thing so far is that Palmer lays the Offense at the doorstep of Capers...he's (Palmer) only doing the offense that Capers asks for.
Palmer's offense was wide open in Jacksonville. We no doubt run with Capers style ball.
 

Texans Pride

Veteran
disaacks3 said:
Most interesting thing so far is that Palmer lays the Offense at the doorstep of Capers...he's (Palmer) only doing the offense that Capers asks for.

I noticed that too....He made it very clear that he runs the offense the way Capers wants him too.
 

Texans Pride

Veteran
Vinn, I didn't know that they streamed. Do they have specific times that they have Texans radio? I'd love to be able to listen in when they talk Texan talk
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
It came across as not too 'trusting' of his players... IMO, his repeated comments of doing what "we think will be best for them" sounds a lot like "we don't trust them to execute anything else".

In that, he might be right, but it does sound like they've been 'holding them back' somewhat.
 

Boris

All Pro
certainly he's aware of the criticisms being made & IMO its a prudent way to give perspective.

there's the Marts school of aggressive offense & Capers' style on the other end. Every fan has a preference.......mine is for ball control bruising RB style. Given Capers' philosophy why would he seek out Palmer & additionally why would Palmer accept the position? seems he would still have been assured another NFL coaching position...... so what gives?
 

D-ReK

RAWWWRR!
Davis37 said:
wow, they had Billy Miller on the radio to talk about basketball...
Kind of a waste of interview time if you ask me...

1st question: Do you want the ball more?

*Cut to basketball talk*

Oh well, I liked the Palmer interview...He seemed to place the blame of poor execution, much like Capers usually does...
 

Davis37

Rookie
D-ReK said:
Kind of a waste of interview time if you ask me...

1st question: Do you want the ball more?

*Cut to basketball talk*

Oh well, I liked the Palmer interview...He seemed to place the blame of poor execution, much like Capers usually does...
I agree. They talk about Miller getting the ball more for like 1 min, then they talk about the Lakers (like anyone in Houston cares).
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
Yep, the Billy Miller "interview" gave me great insight into how Billy REALLY feels about the Lakers....unfortunately, I couldn't care less about the Lakers.
 

Davis37

Rookie
The Palmer interview was interesting but the Billy Miller "interview" was a waste of time. This offseason crap is driving me insane! :brickwall
 

Texans Pride

Veteran
Why even have him on? That seems like such a waste of time to have talking about another sport, and only asking one about the sport he plays. . . .LAME!!!! :brickwall
 

Davis37

Rookie
I waited like 15 mins to hear what Billy had to say, just 2 be dissapointed and annoyed by the LA Fakers talk.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Davis37 said:
Thx for the link Vinny. Seems like Palmer was very defensive about the "conservative offense" remark.
Capers is absolutely not a conservative coach !! He simply believes in running the ball effectively and often. His gameday philosophy is not different than Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, John Fox, and others. Using the running game as a primary threat in an offense doesn't have to be vanilla (Carolina in '03, Pittsburgh '04, lots of Denver teams, any Dan Henning coordinated teams) and it can be very effective (the list is too long)...

Capers likes to take risks. He tries fake field goals at peculiar times. He often goes for it on 4th down (Jacksonville '03). He loves to blitz and gamble on defense. I think the Jimmy Johnson comparison is very accurate. Jimmy constantly reigned in Norv Turner's offensive playcalling- demanding that Emmitt pound the ball. However, at the same time, he invented the 3rd quarter surprise onside kick and loved to take calculated risks like that.

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
Texans Pride said:
Chuckle Chuckle, that was pretty good Arlington :highfive:
or maybe Carl Dukes understands how to use Miller's skills as well as chris palmer
 

Davis37

Rookie
ArlingtonTexan said:
Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.
LOL too funny!

In the words of the great Homer Simpson, "It's funny cause it's true!".
 

Davis37

Rookie
dalemurphy said:
Capers is absolutely not a conservative coach !! He simply believes in running the ball effectively and often. His gameday philosophy is not different than Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, John Fox, and others. Using the running game as a primary threat in an offense doesn't have to be vanilla (Carolina in '03, Pittsburgh '04, lots of Denver teams, any Dan Henning coordinated teams) and it can be very effective (the list is too long)...

Capers likes to take risks. He tries fake field goals at peculiar times. He often goes for it on 4th down (Jacksonville '03). He loves to blitz and gamble on defense. I think the Jimmy Johnson comparison is very accurate. Jimmy constantly reigned in Norv Turner's offensive playcalling- demanding that Emmitt pound the ball. However, at the same time, he invented the 3rd quarter surprise onside kick and loved to take calculated risks like that.

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.
woah buddy, calm down. I didnt say Capers is conservative... I was just quoting the radio. All I said is that Palmer sound defensive about the questions of the offense.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Davis37 said:
woah buddy, calm down. I didnt say Capers is conservative... I was just quoting the radio. All I said is that Palmer sound defensive about the questions of the offense.

I didn't address my remarks to you.
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
dalemurphy said:
Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.
I DO think he's conservative, but that's not always a bad thing. Given your logic, should Capers step aside if he's not up to the challenge of producing a successful team within the Casserly draft philosophy? :hmmm:
 

tsip

Veteran
dalemurphy said:
Capers is absolutely not a conservative coach !! He simply believes in running the ball effectively and often. His gameday philosophy is not different than Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, John Fox, and others. Using the running game as a primary threat in an offense doesn't have to be vanilla (Carolina in '03, Pittsburgh '04, lots of Denver teams, any Dan Henning coordinated teams) and it can be very effective (the list is too long)...

Capers likes to take risks. He tries fake field goals at peculiar times. He often goes for it on 4th down (Jacksonville '03). He loves to blitz and gamble on defense. I think the Jimmy Johnson comparison is very accurate. Jimmy constantly reigned in Norv Turner's offensive playcalling- demanding that Emmitt pound the ball. However, at the same time, he invented the 3rd quarter surprise onside kick and loved to take calculated risks like that.

Please everyone who is calling Capers conservative stop it! He believes in running the ball (thank god!) and it is up to Palmer to utilize his offensive talents within Capers philosophy to create a successful offense. If he's not up to that challenge, then he should step aside.
Personally, I want to see the Texans find ways to win games, approaching
each game one at a time. Run or pass, we only win if we score more points.
I know that sounds easy but it is not or every team would do it. Capers
must find ways to put his players in posistions to excel (read the Ragone
quote in the "Ragone Watch Section" ), whether it be by play calling or schemes or motivation. etc. Bum Phillips was known as a conservative
head coach (sure, he had Earl) with a defensive mind who got every 'ounce'
of effort he could get out of his players and-most important-his team won
games. Capers is the head coach because he earned it and he has this team
poised for the next step-- I'm looking forward to him and his staff leading
the Texans to the winner's circle and playoffs!! :)
 

Ibar_Harry

All Pro
What happened on the Radio is very interesting, because if you remember it was said that Capers had to go tell Palmer to change what was happening with the blocking because David was getting killed. It sounded like Carr talked to Casserly and Casserly talked to Capers. Also, McNair had his two cents worth in there. Now, we have Palmer saying its Capers problem, because he's doing what Capers wants.

There is something wrong and if you can't smell it then so be it. I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize. Its interesting because others are beginning to see that Capers is really a liability for Casserly in that they are not on the same page. Casserly believes in procurring the best athlete available at the time of the draft, but Capers I really don't believe understands how to use that talent unless it's earmarked for the defense. I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer is gone before the start of the season. Why, because comments like he made on the radio will not sit well with Capers. If you want further insight go read the article from Seattle on Sharper. There is a tone in that article that is more than just sour grapes. I've said for a long time that I don't believe Capers has the respect of his players, and the more I read, hear and see, I think that is true. Obviously many of you feel differently and that is your right just it is my right to say this is the way I feel. Again, I hope I'm absolutely wrong, but there are a lot of little things popping up which make you wonder what is really happening on the inside.
 

ATX

Hall of Fame
"given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize ." Classic Ibar Hating

Ok, first year's draft, what's the most important position on a team? QB
what's the highest rated player coming out of the draft? David Carr
Easy answer, would you rather have us drafted Harrington here?

Second draft, who's the best player out of that draft class? Andre Johnson
What number did we get him? #3

Both picks are solid picks, probably 90 percent of the GM's and coaches would have picked the same if they were in the same position.

So the simple answer to your question is because he was smart and they're good players. these are important picks, can't blow them here. capers can go in the later rounds and draft his style of players ie. Wells, Davis, Wand, Joppru, Morency. You think Robinson, Peek, and Babin aren't his style of players? Did he not trade up to get Babin? Was Robinson a bad pick at 13?

All I can say is patience. Capers knows what he's doing. The Boselli, Hollings, and Joppru injuries slowed down our progress, but it'll work out soon. This is the year for high expectations. We've had 4 good drafts and the team is finally coming together. look at our starters.

Offense:
David Carr
D. Davis
Johnson
Gaffney
Pitts
Wand

Defense:
Babin
Peek
Robinson
Earl

Backups:

Wells
Baxter
Weary
Brown
Hogden
Mathis
Morrency
Hollings
S. Thomas
T. Johnson
C. Anderson
Lord
Walker
Faggins
Ragone

10 starters drafted
25 backups drafted
If Sharper wants to complain, let him complain. There's 35 guys here that aren't complaining and are willing to buy into Capers' sytem.

Should i add the free agents that capers has brought in that aren't complaining. Weigert,Wade, Greenwood, Smith, Buchanon, Norris, Simmons, etc.

so there's 42 guys that aren't complaining and that's not including the Expansion draft players on our team. mckinney, coleman, walker, payne, wong, Banks, etc. then add stanley, brown, and pittman on special teams.
51 players give or take a couple that'll make the team. any of them complaining? no

So what's your point Ibar?
 

Vinny

shiny happy fan
atxcoolguy said:
So what's your point Ibar?
One thing to keep in mind with Ibar is that he a Fresno State fan who followed Carr here. He is not a Texan who is glad we drafted Carr, Ibar is a Carr fan who hates that his guy is with an expansion team (only conclusion I can come to as to his chronic, redundant team bashing). Ibar wants immediate results or he will just troll us hard until we produce them. I've seen him post since 2002 when he predicted we would win the Super Bowl in 2002 - our first season & has been bashing the team in his same polite manner ever since we didn't manage to pull this off. That's just how Ibar is going to be I think. I don't see it ending any time soon.
Ibar_Harry said:
Now, we have Palmer saying its Capers problem, because he's doing what Capers wants.
No, he never said that. You are putting words in his mouth.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
Ibar_Harry said:
If you want further insight go read the article from Seattle on Sharper. There is a tone in that article that is more than just sour grapes...
What interview are you referring to? And can you find the quote that is "more than just sour grapes"?

Ibar_Harry said:
I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize.
Carr is a QB & Johnson is a WR. What "style" do you think they reflect? Every team needs QBs & WRs. Unless you think that Capers wants to run the wishbone. Who are some of these Capers-type players you think would be more in line with Dom's "propensities"?
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Lucky said:
What interview are you referring to? And can you find the quote that is "more than just sour grapes"?

Carr is a QB & Johnson is a WR. What "style" do you think they reflect? Every team needs QBs & WRs. Unless you think that Capers wants to run the wishbone. Who are some of these Capers-type players you think would be more in line with Dom's "propensities"?
You're not really expecting a response are you? You know the Ibar protocal is to only answer or address Vinny--well really make that address because he never answers anyone.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Ibar_Harry said:
There is something wrong and if you can't smell it then so be it. I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize. Its interesting because others are beginning to see that Capers is really a liability for Casserly in that they are not on the same page. Casserly believes in procurring the best athlete available at the time of the draft, but Capers I really don't believe understands how to use that talent unless it's earmarked for the defense.

Perhaps the Titans shouldn't have drafted Steve McNair, given Jeff Fisher's propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.

Perhaps the Cowboys shouldn't have drafted Troy Aikman given Jimmy's propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.

Perhaps New England shouldn't have drafted Drew Bledsoe and Terry Glenn given Parcells propensity to focus on running the ball, the short passing game, and defense.

Perhaps New England shouldn't have hired Charlie Weiss given Belichek's propensities.

Perhaps Baltimore shouldn't have drafted Jamal Lewis and Todd Heap since Brian Billick has a propensity to throw the ball downfield to WRs.

Perhaps Pittsburgh shouldn't have drafted Ben Rothlisberger given Cowhers' propensity to run the ball and focus on defense.
 

Tailgate

Fall of Hame
Ibar,

You actually had a Carr talked to Casserly domino effect speculation, questioned the Carr and Johnson picks by Capers, and said that you wouldnt be surprised if Palmer was gone before the start of this season.... ALL IN ONE POST???

Wow. You have actually gotten worse. Atleast spread this kind of BS out over severall posts, that way we don't have to take it all in at once.

Appreciate it.
 

Tailgate

Fall of Hame
bigTEXan8 said:
Just like Ibar, I am a Carr fan who followed him from Fresno State to Houston. However, I agree with Ibar in the sense, I never expected to win the SB in his rookie year. But I did expect him to blow up. The problem is that I don't believe the offense properly utilizes Carr's abilities. For crying out loud, throw 4 WR out there and let Carr pick the D apart. It's fine running the ball constantly doesn't seem to be getting us 25 points a game, giving us a chance to win.

Are you forgetting we have led the league in total sacks allowed overall these past 3 seasons? You can't pick a D a part when you dont have time to throw the ball.

You guys were just too used to seeing him throw touchdown after touchdown in college.

This is the NFL, and we have just now FINALLY lost the expansion label. If our offensive line woes start to go away this year, then you should see Carr progress into something special. Thats not taking away from the improvements we did see last year (16 tds I think) anyway.

But remember, you may never see those Fresno type of numbers ever again.
 

wags

Veteran
bigTEXan8 said:
For crying out loud, throw 4 WR out there and let Carr pick the D apart.
Third and five and the Texans are in four wide. Carr gets the snap, takes two steps, and splat....... Fourth and ten.
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
infantrycak said:
You're not really expecting a response are you?
Yeah, I am. Unless he has me on the "ignore list". There's a lot of that going 'round.
 

SheTexan

Hall of Fame
ArlingtonTexan said:
Sounds like Miller contributed as much to the radio show as he did for the offense in the 2004 season.
Difficult to contribute much when you don't get much playing time!! JMO!!
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
SheTexan said:
Difficult to contribute much when you don't get much playing time!! JMO!!
Missed the 2nd of the smart mouth comment(Dukes not knowing how to use Miller no better than Palmer) , but the more a more serious answer is that tough to get playing time when you are one worst blocking TEs in the league and at least 50% of your job is to block. Miller has worked hard and is okay a pass catcher, but his total package is mediocre at best. He is getting about the right amount of time.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
ArlingtonTexan said:
Missed the 2nd of the smart mouth comment(Dukes not knowing how to use Miller no better than Palmer) , but the more a more serious answer is that tough to get playing time when you are one worst blocking TEs in the league and at least 50% of your job is to block. Miller has worked hard and is okay a pass catcher, but his total package is mediocre at best. He is getting about the right amount of time.

He doesn't belong on the roster of a good NFL team. I like him. I even have the TD against Dallas on my desktop. But, he's just very limited and isn't much of a contributor on special teams.
 
The majority of the stuff I read here is WAY on one side....or WAY on the other side.

Either your like IBAR and think the TEXANS are imploding or your like VINNY and you think with time the TEXANS will win it all and everything in the organization if absolutely fine.

AND you know what, maybe one of them is RIGHT.........maybe the team is only going one way or the other.


BUT, I don't think so

First I think that IBAR has some good points and VINNY and the majority of fans have some good points.

I think that this interview shows that Palmer is feeling some heat and there may be a way to secure his job longer if he dumps the offenses problems on Capers. I think that this is pathetic, and it seems like the Front Office is playing a lot of the blame game. I think its ridiculous. And the fans that think that this is all good and we just need to start the regular season now to show everyone, well your on something. Cuz if we start the regular season with the coach and offensive co-ordinater blaming each other, we're not going to get far.

On the other hand, the Texans aren't one of the worst teams in the league and they should be improved this year, since a lot of young guys improve every season. And I'm glad that they drafted CARR and JOHNSON, we need them. No matter what offense those two knuckle heads can decide on.


But, OK, am I the only one that is still wondering what's going on with the Offensive line ? They (Front Office) stated it was top priority this offseason and they still have done squat. Whether Capers is running the ball or Palmer gets to use his supposed "wide-open" offense. Don't we need a good line for either one of those offenses ?

CARR stated that he was sick of getting hit and he wanted something done.

So instead of offering a GOOD Lineman any kind of REAL offer and actually TRYING to get one..........they play musical chairs on the line...and they sign one of the worst starting lineman in the league last year and say.........YEAH, now we're improved.

"Here you go DAVID, the line's all fixed!" :homer:


I love the TEXANS, and that's why it frustrates me so much when the guys in charge seem to be blowing one of the most important off-seasons yet.
 

AcresHomesTexan

No Longer Arlington: Escaped From Jerry's World
Staff member
throwANDREtheBALL said:
The majority of the stuff I read here is WAY on one side....or WAY on the other side.

Either your like IBAR and think the TEXANS are imploding or your like VINNY and you think with time the TEXANS will win it all and everything in the organization if absolutely fine.
Sorry, if you regularly follow Vinny's posts there is no way you should have ever come that conclusion. Maybe in relation to IBAR who is negative for the sake of being negative, but outside of that, a serious misread of Vinny.
 

Tailgate

Fall of Hame
Believe me if the Texans front office could wave thier magic wand and give us the best O-Line in the league... THEY :rolleyes: WOULD!
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
throwANDREtheBALL said:
But, OK, am I the only one that is still wondering what's going on with the Offensive line ? They (Front Office) stated it was top priority this offseason and they still have done squat.

1. changed the protection schemes
2. pursued Pace
3. signed Riley
4. tried other combinations (flopping Pitts, Wand)
5. pursuing Shelton
6. drafted Hodgdon
OH YEAH, and there's still two months of off-season to go.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
dalemurphy said:
1. changed the protection schemes
2. pursued Pace
3. signed Riley
4. tried other combinations (flopping Pitts, Wand)
5. pursuing Shelton
6. drafted Hodgdon
OH YEAH, and there's still two months of off-season to go.
Not to point out the obvious, but other than potentially #1, none of that is going to do diddly squat to help the line this year.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
Porky said:
Not to point out the obvious, but other than potentially #1, none of that is going to do diddly squat to help the line this year.
Wow! What insight! You are one special talent scout to be able to dismiss Hodgdon before you've even seen him on the practice squad. You've already dismissed both getting Shelton and/or him being any help to the team. Somehow you know that Pitts at LT and Wand at LG won't help matters and you know that Riley won't work out- not even to add some needed depth.

I need stock tips from you!
 

wrestler4life

Waterboy
The only thing we can do is wait and see. If the line improves, then great, we can drop the subject. But uf not, then we can yell and scream and make smart-*** coments all we want to each other and about the staff. What good does it do know to belittle each other and our team?
 

ocd

Noob
Ibar_Harry said:
What happened on the Radio is very interesting, because if you remember it was said that Capers had to go tell Palmer to change what was happening with the blocking because David was getting killed. It sounded like Carr talked to Casserly and Casserly talked to Capers. Also, McNair had his two cents worth in there. Now, we have Palmer saying its Capers problem, because he's doing what Capers wants.

There is something wrong and if you can't smell it then so be it. I will state again, given Capers propensities why pick David Carr and Andre Johnson. They are not the offensive style of players he wants to utilize. Its interesting because others are beginning to see that Capers is really a liability for Casserly in that they are not on the same page. Casserly believes in procurring the best athlete available at the time of the draft, but Capers I really don't believe understands how to use that talent unless it's earmarked for the defense. I wouldn't be surprised if Palmer is gone before the start of the season. Why, because comments like he made on the radio will not sit well with Capers. If you want further insight go read the article from Seattle on Sharper. There is a tone in that article that is more than just sour grapes. I've said for a long time that I don't believe Capers has the respect of his players, and the more I read, hear and see, I think that is true. Obviously many of you feel differently and that is your right just it is my right to say this is the way I feel. Again, I hope I'm absolutely wrong, but there are a lot of little things popping up which make you wonder what is really happening on the inside.



I've said it before and now I'll say it again...you are correct sir! I agree with your entire post except for the part about Palmer being gone BEFORE the season.

Now for my comments...Boring and bad football do not sell tickets nor do they help you get on national television. McNair will make some changes soon if some changes aren't made soon...get it?
 
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