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painekiller

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For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC w/Eagles
OC - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL

DC - Wade Phillips current HC of the Cowboys.

It just a thought. Give your reasons for your choices.
 
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painekiller said:
For the exercise of it. This is if things continue on the current path.

GM - Floyd Reese - currently with the Pats
HC - HC - Marty Mornhinweg Currently Assistent HC/Offensive OC w/Eagles
OC - Andy Heck Currently with Jags OL

DC - Wade Phillips current HC of the Cowboys.

It just a thought. Give your reasons for your choices.

Mods- I'm sorry I put this in the wrong spot, could you move it for me?
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The guy who won the coin toss in overtime and deferred? really? Im glad you dont have pull with the Texans.
 
Lucky said:
Marty Mornhinweg? Really?
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And you think Cowher is coming here? How about Jimmy Johnson? Be realistic. The Texans are not going to get Parchells, Shanahan, Cowher, or Mike Holmgren. You can have Jon Gruden.

We have gone the new HC route and it takes to long to learn, so give me the recycled guy everyone wrote off. The Tom Coughlin's of the world.

Add a top DC who is on the rebound from a bad HC job.

And let's evaluate our players on a real level, could they start for any of the playoff teams?
 
I would take a recycled guy who has had success like Coughlin but Morningwig hasn't done **** ever. The Lions got worse when he was coach and thats saying something.
 
texanhead08 said:
I would take a recycled guy who has had success like Coughlin but Mornhinweg hasn't done **** ever. The Lions got worse when he was coach and thats saying something.
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And where did Coughlin have success before he was recycled? I never saw Jacksonville in the the big game.
 
Jeff Fisher if he became available if i had to pick a HC ..

he could scare that defense up .

and probably keep the offense coaches in tack, except for the offensive line
 
painekiller said:
He is an excellent DC. He sucks as a HC.
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Um, have you seen the "excellent" job he has done with the COwboys D this season. His D allowed mighty Matt Cassel and the KC chiefs to drive down the field and get a tying TD to send the game to OT!
 
If we are thinking outside of the box lets go with Dick Vermeil. I mean we all know we can't run the ball and all Vermeil did was have Warner sling the ball all over the place. Greatest show on Turf you know!
 
Holmgren and Cowher would be longshots. That's a given. Shanahan wont happen for obvious reasons.

Of the other proven winning candidates, that leaves Schotty and Gruden. Schotty would bring some quality coaches with him but is a little long in the tooth for me. Ask Bucs fan if they want Gruden back?

For some reason there seems to be this Gruden hatred but what has the guy done besides win? He took BRAD JOHNSON!! to the Super Bowl and WON IT!! Dungy couldn't do it and Gruden did. He also helped build and mold a Raiders team into a Super Bowl contender and once he left.....they went to hell. He leaves the Bucs this year, and they go from playoff contender to #1 overall pick contender.

Gruden would bring proven coaching staff that has already worked under him and he would bring some of the fire and passion and intensity that this current team so sorely lacks.

We would be lucky to have Jon Gruden as our coach. He is the best guy that we would have a realistic chance at grabbing.

Bring Bruce Allen as his GM partner, and fill in OC and DC with some good coaching.

And while you are at it, try luring a real difference maker to our team in Free Agency.
 
I know some people here don't like him, but the guy I really like and the guy I think would be perfect here is....

Jon Gruden. I'm tired of people saying "he only won with Dungy's players". The guy coached a team to a winning season and playoff apearence after the Bucs were "Dungy's team". He also was the last head coach that really won in Oakland. (which isn't easy to do). He's a good coach and he'll be a head coach for someone next season (hopefully here). He's only had 3 losing seasons in his 11 year head coaching career.

With him as coach you're getting a guy who has won at every spot he's ever been at......he's a experienced head coach (and still young), and you don't have to completely rebuild the offensive scheme with him (the only positive our team has consistently had over the years)...you'll just have to tweek it.

He's also the fire and brimstone coach everybody has been asking for, he practically sleeps in his office, and he doesn't except losing, inconsistency, or subpar play from anybody....in other words he doesn't put up with mediocrity, which is actually what we've been under Kubiak. He's the kind of coach who'll probably wear out the team he's coaching after 5-6 years...but his style will sure as hell kick a team in the pants when he first comes in (which is the reason he took Dungy's team further than Dungy ever could).

I don't care what anybody says......I'm firmly planted in the Gruden camp, because he makes sense, and unlike Cowher and Holmgrem....we can actually get him to coach here. I don't want to try out another hotshot coordinator, we can't afford to miss on another "experiment". I want a guy who's proven he can win in this league...the safe pick.
 
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Holmgren and Cowher would be longshots. That's a given. Shanahan wont happen for obvious reasons.

Of the other proven winning candidates, that leaves Schotty and Gruden. Schotty would bring some quality coaches with him but is a little long in the tooth for me. Ask Bucs fan if they want Gruden back?

For some reason there seems to be this Gruden hatred but what has the guy done besides win? He took BRAD JOHNSON!! to the Super Bowl and WON IT!! Dungy couldn't do it and Gruden did. He also helped build and mold a Raiders team into a Super Bowl contender and once he left.....they went to hell. He leaves the Bucs this year, and they go from playoff contender to #1 overall pick contender.

Gruden would bring proven coaching staff that has already worked under him and he would bring some of the fire and passion and intensity that this current team so sorely lacks.

We would be lucky to have Jon Gruden as our coach. He is the best guy that we would have a realistic chance at grabbing.

Bring Bruce Allen as his GM partner, and fill in OC and DC with some good coaching.

And while you are at it, try luring a real difference maker to our team in Free Agency.
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Hmm.....great minds think alike :cool:

Gruden is the guy I've wanted for awhile now.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Holmgren and Cowher would be longshots. That's a given. Shanahan wont happen for obvious reasons.

Of the other proven winning candidates, that leaves Schotty and Gruden. Schotty would bring some quality coaches with him but is a little long in the tooth for me. Ask Bucs fan if they want Gruden back?

For some reason there seems to be this Gruden hatred but what has the guy done besides win? He took BRAD JOHNSON!! to the Super Bowl and WON IT!! Dungy couldn't do it and Gruden did. He also helped build and mold a Raiders team into a Super Bowl contender and once he left.....they went to hell. He leaves the Bucs this year, and they go from playoff contender to #1 overall pick contender.

Gruden would bring proven coaching staff that has already worked under him and he would bring some of the fire and passion and intensity that this current team so sorely lacks.

We would be lucky to have Jon Gruden as our coach. He is the best guy that we would have a realistic chance at grabbing.
Bring Bruce Allen as his GM partner, and fill in OC and DC with some good coaching.

And while you are at it, try luring a real difference maker to our team in Free Agency.
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John Gruden sucks. His players didnt even like him. Hes nothing but an attention whore. Look at me, look at me I make stupid faces to get attention. Barf!!!!! If we hired him I would never watch another Texans game again.
 
mariowillshine15 said:
Bring in Marty Schottenheimer. He may have problems in the playoffs but at least he GETS THERE.
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If Kubiak were to be fired, then I would definitely approve of hiring Marty Schottenheimer. Sure, he has a reputation regarding his teams' bad record in the playoffs, but those losses were against some great teams with great QB's.
 
BattleRedToro said:
If Kubiak were to be fired, then I would definitely approve of hiring Marty Schottenheimer. Sure, he has a reputation regarding his teams' bad record in the playoffs, but those losses were against some great teams with great QB's.
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Marty Schottenheimer is 66 years old.....I doubt he wants to even coach again and if he did, he's too old.
 
BattleRedToro said:
If Kubiak were to be fired, then I would definitely approve of hiring Marty Schottenheimer. Sure, he has a reputation regarding his teams' bad record in the playoffs, but those losses were against some great teams with great QB's.
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I would ok with this as long as the Texans kept the 4-3
 
mussop said:
John Gruden sucks. His players didnt even like him. Hes nothing but an attention whore. Look at me, look at me I make stupid faces to get attention. Barf!!!!! If we hired him I would never watch another Texans game again.
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LMAO.....give me a break.

"Gruden sucks", the guy only has 3 losing seasons in his career and last year he got fired after a 9-7 season......a season that would be a all time high for Kubiak. BTW, that same team that was 9-7 with him is now 0-5 without him and they aren't even competing :rolleyes:

Also his players don't "hate him". That was just a select few, for the most part his players loved him.....the vets like Lynch, Sapp, and Brooks really liked him.

But none of that matters one bit, because if I'm holding a interview for a head coaching spot, the LAST thing I would care about is whether or not "he was the players' friend", really....I wouldn't give a crap about that. Results is ALL I care about......Kubiak's players "LOVE" him and where the hell has that got us?
 
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LonerATO said:
I would ok with this as long as the Texans kept the 4-3
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WHY?????? Who cares what we run so long as were better. I know Marios talents would be wasted bla bla bla. You mean like when he runs that huge loop and is basically run out ot he play when the QB steps up in the pocket? Or when teams jsut run away from him? Put him in the middle (DE) and make teams run outside and let our LB's chase them down if that makes us a better D.
 
I am not a Gruden fan. The man has killed more QBs than any other HC in football. You will be paying top FA $ every year for a new QB. The reason his team has won the last few years is that Monty Kiffen is one hell of a defensive coach, and when Monty left so did the wins.

I say the Buc's won despite Gruden not because of him.
 
painekiller said:
I am not a Gruden fan. The man has killed more QBs than any other HC in football. You will be paying top FA $ every year for a new QB. The reason his team has won the last few years is that Monty Kiffen is one hell of a defensive coach, and when Monty left so did the wins.

I say the Buc's won despite Gruden not because of him.
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Did his team win in Oakland because of Kiffin also?

He also became a collector of QBs when he knew he didn't have one....when he did have QBs he stuck with them. The sad thing is, even when he was searching for QBs he still was winning games.

Why is it that people spend all of their time trying to find excuses for Gruden's success, instead of just giving the man credit.
 
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Some names I want to hear some input on .

Jim Harbaugh, former QB coach of the Raiders, current HC of Stanford.

An old name not mentioned recently, Steve Mariucci. I know he was another Lions bust, but was it the coaches or the GM and lack of talent?

Mike Heimerdinger is another WCO general who has had mixed success. A former roommate of Shanahan's.

Brian Schottenheimer, Marty's son, is the current Jets OC. He is having some success.

Old School, Dan Henning currently the OC with the Dolphins.
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I honestly think the HC choice is (or at least should be) the second most important decision going into next year.

What I don't believe we've ever had here is a GM who has both the autonomy and the stones to shape the roster the way it should be shaped. Casserly had the authority, but all too often acquiesced to the coaching staff with horrible results (see Patrick Buchanon, and Jason Babin). Rick Smith appears to be little more than a yes-man for Kubiak.

The teams everyone points to as the immediate turnarounds (Falcons, Ravens, last years Dolphins, this year's Broncos) are all coached by first-time Head Coaches, but also have GM's/FO's that are well managed, and autonomous of the HC. Denver may be the exception to this (I'm not sure), but even with them, they have a GM who has a background that doesn't suggest he is there simply to agree with everything McDaniel says.

I honestly still believe there's a lot to like about Kubiak as a HC, but it appears his job goes well beyond HC, and what I don't think ever happens is a challenge to his opinion. While it's apples/oranges in terms of achievements and success, I think the same thing happened to Rudy T with the Rockets. Nobody ever thought to challenge his decisions, they just carried them out (can you say Kelvin Cato). It's been very rare in the NFL that somebody with both HC and GM responsibilities succeeded. Mike Holmgren couldn't, Bill Parcells has had his greatest success wearing just one hat, and most of the NFL's model franchises have strong and autonomous front offices.

Go out and find the best GM you can get. Doesn't matter whether it's a proven commodity, or a star on the rise, but get somebody good, give him the authority he needs, and work on who the coach is after that.
 
Is it just me or is it every time there is a thread that actually names names of who they want to coach the future Texans, the names make you nauseated.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Is it just me or is it every time there is a thread that actually names names of who they want to coach the future Texans, the names make you nauseated.
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That's because the number of truly great coaches is extremely limited.

I'm really beginning to think there's bad coaches, mostly average coaches, and a tiny few of great coaches. Even Belichick has only won 62% of his games. That's an average of 9.7 wins a season.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Is it just me or is it every time there is a thread that actually names names of who they want to coach the future Texans, the names make you nauseated.
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It's not just you.
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painekiller said:
Some names I want to hear some input on .

Jim Harbaugh, former QB coach of the Raiders, current HC of Stanford.

An old name not mentioned recently, Steve Mariucci. I know he was another Lions bust, but was it the coaches or the GM and lack of talent?

Mike Heimerdinger is another WCO general who has had mixed success. A former roommate of Shanahan's.

Brian Schottenheimer, Marty's son, is the current Jets OC. He is having some success.

Old School, Dan Henning currently the OC with the Dolphins.
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Mike Pettine is a name yo will be hearing about before long also. And what about Bill Callahan? Just throwing names out.
 
mussop said:
Mike Pettine is a name yo will be hearing about before long also. And what about Bill Callahan? Just throwing names out.
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Pettine is on the radar, being that Ryan was my favorite asst coach last year. So i have followed his guys.

As for Callahan, he has a lot more bad stuff to shack off before I consider him a viable option again. Could see him going to the team that hires Gruden as the OC.

You are aware that Callahan is the OL coach and Brian Schottenheimer is running the offense for the Jets right?
 
HC: Kubiak or Cowher
OC: Lil' Shanny
DC: ???

I have a feeling that Lil' Shanny goes nowhere next season, regardless of the head coach. He has a good thing rolling here. Methinks McNair is looking at one of three coaches for 2010: Kubiak (if he goes better than 8-8 this year), Cowher (long shot), or Big Shanny (for obvious reasons). I'd give Kubiak 1-1 odds, Cowher 15-1, and Big Shanahan 2-1.
 
How about HC Bruce Coslet
OC Ken Anderson
QB coach Turk Schonert
OL Bruce Matthews

Defense
DC Pepper Johnson Currently with NE, has 10 years of coaching experience with Belichick.


I want the offense to attach attach attach, and I want the defense to confuse confuse confuse
 
Wolf said:
Jeff Fisher if he became available if i had to pick a HC ..

he could scare that defense up .

and probably keep the offense coaches in tack, except for the offensive line
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If Fisher continues turning out Ls in Nashville he may be on the market. I'm thinking D-coordinator, but chances are he would be offered a HC job somewhere.

Personally I think that we'll have RS and Kubiak next year too, and in a way I kinda want that too. Sure they make mistakes, but getting a new coach equals uncertainty due to philosophy and players targeted. I'll rather have some consistancy at FO, and hopefully we'll continue to progress.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Is it just me or is it every time there is a thread that actually names names of who they want to coach the future Texans, the names make you nauseated.
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No, it's not just you, TC.

Let me ask a question to all you coach-changers? Of the 1st year coaches that have their teams on a winning record, did you ever hear of them before?

Thought so.
 
Marcus said:
No, it's not just you, TC.

Let me ask a question to all you coach-changers? Of the 1st year coaches that have their teams on a winning record, did you ever hear of them before?

Thought so.
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Been following Rex Ryan for over 10years. Was mad when we over looked him to hire Kubiak.
 
Marcus said:
No, it's not just you, TC.

Let me ask a question to all you coach-changers? Of the 1st year coaches that have their teams on a winning record, did you ever hear of them before?

Thought so.
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Yeah I heard about Rex Ryan plenty of times and McDaniels is winning with defense....Mike Nolan was a huge pick up.
 
Just throwing some other names out there:

Ron Rivera-San Diego
Sean McDermott-Philadelphia
Greg Williams-New Orleans

Opinions?
 
mussop said:
John Gruden sucks. His players didnt even like him. Hes nothing but an attention whore. Look at me, look at me I make stupid faces to get attention. Barf!!!!! If we hired him I would never watch another Texans game again.
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so if the Texans hired a Super Bowl winning coach, you would be so angry that you would no longer be a fan because 'John Gruden Sucks'....Such loyalty is to be truly admired. gg

You are basically parroting what ESPN said about the reason he was fired when it was first reported. It caught people by surprise and no one knew the real reason so people built up the fact that he had problems with his players such as Keyshawn and he had an injury/surgery beef with Simeon Rice. Both guys not exactly team oriented. ESPN had to come up with a reason other than 'He ticked off the Glazers (owners) by asking to improve the team and coaching staff and the Glazers couldn't really afford to because they were so leveraged with buying Manchester United, the #1 sports franchise in the world.'

Gruden is an excellent coach with a proven track record and contrary to sheeple opinion, he gets along with his players very well. The players he ever had a problem with were locker room cancers like Keyshawn Johnson. Ask true gamers like Sapp and Brooks and Lynch and Barber and Alstott what they thought of Gruden.

You bring Gruden in and ask him to keep Bruce Matthews, Marciano, and Kollar (who looks to have found even a little something with Okoye). Let Gruden decide the rest of the staff's fate.
 
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Wolf6151 said:
Just throwing some other names out there:

Ron Rivera-San Diego
Sean McDermott-Philadelphia
Greg Williams-New Orleans

Opinions?
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Other than Williams, no HC experience. I will take someone who has done the job and has assembled a staff over guys that are new to the position. We have already tried that with Kubiak and it hasn't exactly worked out.
 
GM - I know he's a bit old but the man can identify good talent. Why not Dick Vermeil? Floyd Reese wouldn't be a bad hire. He might like the idea of sticking it to Bud twice a year. Too bad Ron Wolf is unlikely to come out of retirement. Either way I agree that we need an autonomous GM.

HC - I like Schott and I think he's great at identifying talent and working towards team strengths. I'm not the biggest Gruden fan, but I think he'd be an upgrade over Kubiak. I just don't think he upgraded the talent in Tampa consistently. The 0-5 Tampa team is a partial by product of Gruden and the players he brought in. I think Holmgren is looking at the East coast, and will likely take over in DC if you ask me.

OC- hahaha lil Shanny. Man Dereklee you are on something. If we brought in Schott I think there'd be a chance we could land his son. Personally if the HC could get along with him, Mike Martz would have a field day working with the WR corps. I wouldn't mind seeing if Steve Mariuchi (Sp) is interested as well.

DC - Let's see is we could pry Ron Rivera away from the Chargers. Other then that I'd look at the staff of Baltimore, Jets, Eagles, and Giants.
 
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