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Brandt's All Under-25 Defensive Team - Babin and Robinson

Vinny

Vinny

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Ok, Babin bashers. Take this...Babin made Brandt's all under-25 defensive team. Someone out there is paying attention. Babin is on the frontpage of NFL.com right now as well.

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DE Dwight Freeney Indianapolis Feb. 19, 1980
DE Ty Warren New England Feb. 6, 1981
DT Dewayne Robertson N.Y. Jets Oct. 16, 1981
DT Kevin Williams Minnesota Aug. 16, 1980
Pass rush
specialist Jared Allen Kansas City April 3, 1982
MLB Nick Barnett Green Bay May 27, 1981
OLB D.J. Williams Denver July 20, 1982
OLB Will Witherspoon Carolina Aug. 19, 1980
3-4 LB Terrell Suggs Baltimore Oct. 11, 1982
3-4 LB Jason Babin Houston May 24, 1980
CB Dunta Robinson Houston April 11, 1982
CB DeAngelo Hall Atlanta Nov. 19, 1983
SS Troy Polamalu Pittsburgh April 19, 1981
FS Madieu Williams Cincinnati Oct. 18, 1981
P Mike Scifres San Diego Oct. 8, 1980
PK Nate Kaeding San Diego March 26, 1982
ST Bryan Scott Atlanta April 13, 1981

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8521415
 
Babin is one of my favorites and I never expected to see him on a list like that, this soon anyway... :highfive:
 
COOOOOL!! He had a very solid rookie season and seems to have been recognized a bit for it.
 
It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
 
D-ReK said:
It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
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...and Domanick Davis is on Brandt's unheralded list for the players taken in the later rounds.
 
D-ReK said:
It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
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I agree, and Vilma is the reigning DROY :wacko:
 
Wow we had Andre Johnson on the front page when he had his offensive under 25 team, and now Babin is in the front page. I agree with D Rek that they should have put Taylor and Vilma. I think Vilma is better than Barnett, and Taylor is better than Williams.
 
D-ReK said:
It's good to see Babin and D-Rob getting some recognition, but it's hard to believe that Brandt left Vilma AND Sean Taylor off of his list...
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That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
 
That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
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OLB D.J. Williams Denver July 20, 1982
OLB Jason Babin Houston May 24, 1980
CB Dunta Robinson Houston April 11, 1982
CB DeAngelo Hall Atlanta Nov. 19, 1983

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ROOKIES

Irony idonno:
 
If you guys just read the article he explains that there are guys who should be there. He's probably just showcasing the depth of the talent more than some fan favorites here and there.
The average NFL fan is in for a treat in the coming years as there is a plentiful amount of great, young defensive talent.

For instance, if you were a head coach and desired a young safety, whom would you pick from Seattle's Ken Hamlin, Philadelphia's Michael Lewis, Pittsburgh's Chris Hope, Carolina's Colin Branch, Indianapolis' Bob Sanders and New England's Eugene Wilson? Pretty much anyone you pick out of that bunch will do the job well. But not only couldn't we pick one of those guys, we actually chose other guys!

If a player you would expect to see didn't make the team, it doesn't mean he's not good. It probably means I didn't have room for him on our already-overloaded roster.
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Texan Dave said:
That's because it's and all UNDER 25 list, not an all rookie list.
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And?

You're telling me that Madieu Williams, who was a rookie last year, is better than Sean Taylor? Let's compare the numbers:

Williams:
103 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 INTs, 7 passes def., and 0 FF in 16 games

Taylor:
76 tackles, 1 sack, 4 INTs, 9 passes def., and 2 FF in 15 games

Williams got more tackles but Taylor caused more turnovers, which is more important IMO...

As for Barnett vs Vilma, it really is a push if you look at their numbers, but I agree with Brandt in giving the edge to Barnett since he has had two good years as opposed to Vilma's one...
 
Those are pretty impressive numbers for Williams. I can see why someone would be excited about this young guy. It's just one man's opinion. Barnett is a heck of a linebacker too.
 
D-ReK said:
You're telling me that Madieu Williams, who was a rookie last year, is better than Sean Taylor?

As for Barnett vs Vilma, it really is a push if you look at their numbers, but I agree with Brandt in giving the edge to Barnett since he has had two good years as opposed to Vilma's one...
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Williams isn't as good as Taylor, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a talent. Considering that he started at FS, SS, & CB during the '04 season, I'd say Madieu was a pretty valuable member of the Bengals' defense & will be heard from for quite awhile. And if you consider that Taylor has brought some negative pub on himself, it's not hard to understand why he was left off the NFL.com list.

I think if you take a look at the team numbers of the Jets defense, you'd see what kind of impact Vilma had. In '03, the Jets were 28th in the NFL in rushing defense. After drafting Vilma & inserting him into the MLB spot, the Jets run defense ranked 5th. Some feel that Barnett is playing out of position at MLB and would be better suited at WOLB. I think Brandt missed on this one.
 
Lucky said:
Williams isn't as good as Taylor, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a talent. Considering that he started at FS, SS, & CB during the '04 season, I'd say Madieu was a pretty valuable member of the Bengals' defense & will be heard from for quite awhile. And if you consider that Taylor has brought some negative pub on himself, it's not hard to understand why he was left off the NFL.com list.

I think if you take a look at the team numbers of the Jets defense, you'd see what kind of impact Vilma had. In '03, the Jets were 28th in the NFL in rushing defense. After drafting Vilma & inserting him into the MLB spot, the Jets run defense ranked 5th. Some feel that Barnett is playing out of position at MLB and would be better suited at WOLB. I think Brandt missed on this one.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way bashing Williams, but I think that Taylor is a better player...I realize he has gotten plenty of negative attention due to him wanting a new contract but Brandt didn't even mention him in his article when he was mentioning the young standout safeties...

Regarding Vilma, I'm not certain that he's the only reason that the Jets improved their run D so drastically, since they also signed Eric Barton, who had a pretty good year also...Barnett probably is playing out of position but he has put together two very good years...I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...
 
I've been nothing but impressed with Barnett when I've watching him play. He always seems to be around the ball and plays with a high intensity level. Good call on that one.
 
It's all about openions guys, maybe he was thinking about William's versatility, maybe williams is a better coverage guy and had less balls thrown his way??? Or maybe Williams plays better in the box than Taylor, although due to Taylor's size, I would doubt that, but who knows?? But out of that whole list their was only 4 rookies, this obviously wasn't all about rookies. Personaly, I would go with the guy who has the most versatility, but that's just my openion.
 
Don't mean to be a spoilsport, but unless Brandt published this report before
2/19/'05, he's got one or more guys on his under-25 team that aren't
under 25.
 
nunusguy said:
Don't mean to be a spoilsport, but unless Brandt published this report before
2/19/'05, he's got one or more guys on his under-25 team that aren't
under 25.
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He put the list together based on players born 1/1/1980 or later. He probably started the list a while back and just completed it.
 
Anyways, it is good to see Babin in that company and that makes all 3 of our last two 1st rounders prior to this year's all on that list. That is pretty good drafting.
 
Casserley's track record in the first is pretty outstanding; if I had a criticism of him it would be that his excellent talent-identification skills (and his confidence in them) lead him to trade up rather more often than he should, and sometimes at too high a price, arguably resulting in a lack of quality depth on the roster.
 
LikeABoss said:
I agree, and Vilma is the reigning DROY :wacko:
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and almost all of football know he souldnt have been, Those homer writers in New York picked him when D-Rob had much better stats at a more difficult position to play for a rookie.
 
cptnbreakdance said:
and almost all of football know he souldnt have been, Those homer writers in New York picked him when D-Rob had much better stats at a more difficult position to play for a rookie.
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He got it over Dunta because the Jets made the playoffs, and the MLB position is not an easy position for a rookie to play either.

Stop trying to discredit the impact Vilma had with the Jets.

By you doing that, it makes you sound more of a homer than those New York writers you claim.
 
cptnbreakdance said:
and almost all of football know he souldnt have been, Those homer writers in New York picked him when D-Rob had much better stats at a more difficult position to play for a rookie.
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are we going to get into this again? both deserved it but only one can get it and don't put to much into the new york bias, i think it had to do with how vilma was able to improve the jets d, even though it was more of a team improvement. the reason jon isn't on the list is because barnett, who also plays mlb, has had a better career so far. i think sean should take troy's spot just because i don't think he is as good as everyone thinks he is. he had a good year this year, but he was terrible his rookie season. good to see two texans on the list.
 
vtech9 said:
...and Domanick Davis is on Brandt's unheralded list for the players taken in the later rounds.
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yeah that list is thrown off.... i mean come on a 4th rounder becoming a 1,000 yrd rusher in both of his first 2 seasons.
 
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