Death to Google Ads! Texans Talk Tip Jar! 🍺😎👍
Thanks for your support!

Mike Lombardi thinks the Texans need to start over

Mr. White

Mr. White

Retired OLine Coach
Looks like the national media is talking about the Texans now. Be careful what you wish for.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tavern-talk-Texans-need-to-start-over.html

Owner Bob McNair has been very patient. He initially hired Charley Casserly as general manager and gave him all the power. When that went downhill, he hired the coach and gave him all the power. So what does he do now? He’s done A and he’s done B. What’s next?

Next is to hire someone who can bring a plan and an infrastructure to the team, someone who can find players and develop them and who knows what it takes to win in the NFL. Hire someone who can interview a coach, who can talk football on an intellectual basis with the head coach, and split their powers — much like the New York Giants successfully do. Give the coach the power to be the coach and give the general manager the power to be the general manager, and make sure both of them are smart, experienced and well-versed in what it takes to win -- but might not be best friends.
Click to expand...

Some of the ideas in this article sound pretty familiar.
 
I like listening to Mike Lombardi, but if he was such a smart football guy, he wouldn't be in the media now. I'd even give him the benefit of the doubt that he was smart enough to realize that he knew what he didn't know and left it to better personnel guys than he, but he doesn't really come off that way.
 
I can't fault this article. It's true. They do depend on friends of friends and many picks have been random. I do feel there is this "in limbo" feel to how they want to do things. It always scares me when I see teams make some big changes during the season...simplify defense, etc, etc. It means you are making plans on the fly. I just don't get an established "here is what we are going to do" from year to year.
 
noxiousdog said:
I like listening to Mike Lombardi, but if he was such a smart football guy, he wouldn't be in the media now. I'd even give him the benefit of the doubt that he was smart enough to realize that he knew what he didn't know and left it to better personnel guys than he, but he doesn't really come off that way.
Click to expand...

wrong. he worked for Al Davis and was fired for not toeing the line and wanting to take JaMarcus Russell. since the Raiders let him go, they haven't done squat and have had horrible drafts. he is now an entrepeneur and has started a very successful football website.

if he wanted a job in the league, he could have it. oh and he works for the NFL anyway as an analyst. he is in a good place.

McNair needs to wake up and fire Kubiak and Bush's sorry asses.
 
Michael Lombardi is an ass! He is the same GM who traded Randy Moss for a 4th round pick to NE. He said that Moss couldn't run anymore and the following season Moss went off for 98 rec 1493 yrds and a huge number of 23 TDS!!!

He knows crap about building an NFL Franchise. Thats like me trying to tell a firefighter how to put out a fire because I've seen other firefighters doing it successfully!
 
texanfan2002114 said:
Michael Lombardi is an ass! He is the same GM who traded Randy Moss for a 4th round pick to NE. He said that Moss couldn't run anymore and the following season Moss went off for 98 rec 1493 yrds and a huge number of 23 TDS!!!

He knows crap about building an NFL Franchise. Thats like me trying to tell a firefighter how to put out a fire because I've seen other firefighters doing it successfully!
Click to expand...

I agree with you that he was wrong on Moss. It wasn't that he couldn't run, it's that he wouldn't run in Oakland.

Now, word's getting out that he's doing the same in NE.

He got the Raiders to the Super Bowl as a GM. Sounds like credibility to me.
 
Last edited:
Mike Lombardi is wrong in his analysis of Texans history.

Casserly didn't have all the power. Casserly did do some idiotic things that Capers wanted (like the Babin pick). Capers got his buds in the coaching staff too.

The problem with that scenario was that Casserly often picked players that Capers didn't like and Capers eventually stopped playing them, and played the players that he wanted.

Ultimately, what Lombardi seems to be saying is get better football people in your organization, but he shouldn't be using the past to say what the present is. Kubiak doesn't have all the power, but it is certainly not a strong GM situation where Smith is in a great position to challenge him with an extensive background in the NFL.

Besides, Lombardi calls two of our QBs Schwab and Orsowski. Like he knows jack crap about the Texans.

The best organizations have knowledgeable GMs who are able to work with their head coach to put together an organization where the coaches work well together. Palmer-Capers was a match that wasn't going to work for example.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe the front office and many of us on this board approved the hiring of Kubiak and Smith because they came from a winning organization that knows what it takes to win. That was the whole meat and potatoes of it. They came from Denver who had the best winning percentage than any other sports franchise. Right?

Lombardi fails to do his research in that and to me that just says he's trying to get Smith fired with hopes of landing the job with us.
 
The problems in Houston don’t all rest at Kubiak’s feet. This is a structural organizational problem that stems from having too many friends of friends and not enough quality.
*****************************************************
That's the most interesting, easily the most provokative comment in his story. I wish he would have expanded a bit on this, but maybe that's why he didn't ?
Lombardi was not on the "this is the Texans year for the playoff" bandwagon
at the start of this year with a lot of others, and so far with their 1-2 start
he looks like the guy who was right. But the season is of course far from over.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
wrong. he worked for Al Davis and was fired for not toeing the line and wanting to take JaMarcus Russell. since the Raiders let him go, they haven't done squat and have had horrible drafts. he is now an entrepeneur and has started a very successful football website.

if he wanted a job in the league, he could have it. oh and he works for the NFL anyway as an analyst. he is in a good place.

McNair needs to wake up and fire Kubiak and Bush's sorry asses.
Click to expand...

No he can't, thats why he doesn't!

"Lombardi has also contacted several teams around the NFL seeking out potential jobs but with no luck."

http://oak.scout.com/2/642772.html
 
Texans_Chick said:
Kubiak doesn't have all the power, but it is certainly not a strong GM situation where Smith is in a great position to challenge him with an extensive background in the NFL.
Click to expand...

Is there any proof of that?

Because it sure looks like it's the case to me. He worked for a guy in Shanahan that called all the shots in Denver. I don't see any evidence that he didn't bring the Shanahan blueprint with him. The coaching staff hires have his fingerprints all over them.

The only thing I know for sure that Smith does is negotiates contracts and holds himself up a positive example to players.
 
Mr. White said:
Is there any proof of that?

Because it sure looks like it's the case to me. He worked for a guy in Shanahan that called all the shots in Denver. I don't see any evidence that he didn't bring the Shanahan blueprint with him. The coaching staff hires have his fingerprints all over them.

The only thing I know for sure that Smith does is negotiates contracts and holds himself up a positive example to players.
Click to expand...

Smith says they don't always agree.

But even if Smith is in the role of "I'm the man" GM, it's not like he has more NFL experience that Kubiak to truly challenge what Kubiak wants to do. If Kubiak says I need X, why would Smith say anything different.
 
not really... i mean most coaches in the league hire guys they are friends with, this is nothing new. Almost every coach in the league has done or does this. Tony Dungy recounts in his book the process by which he hired his staff in TB and Indy, they were all his friends in some capacity. Parcells is notorious for doing this as well. One of the things i hate about the NBA is that teams are constantly hiring these re-treads & they don't really look for new young guys. I seriously doubt you guys would be questioning his hiring of guys he's friends with if we were successful. The bottom line is that every head coach/coordinator was also once one of the lower-tier coaches somewhere.

The fact that Kubiak gave Smith/Bush a shot because they're friends isn't exactly anything different than what other guys have done.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
.

if he wanted a job in the league, he could have it. oh and he works for the NFL anyway as an analyst. he is in a good place.

McNair needs to wake up and fire Kubiak and Bush's sorry asses.
Click to expand...

please :rolleyes:

he's admitted himself on Bill Simmons podcast that he'd love to be a gm again but cant get a job as one in the nfl anymore but he doesnt mind because he likes the media work too.

and i must say im also quite shocked at the radical changes you propose. you're that last person id expect to post that :rolley.....oh wait ive used that smilie already
 
It's also pretty funny that a lot of these posts attack Lombardi without addressing one damn word that he says in the article.
 
this is the part i addressed in my post about what he said...


"The problems in Houston don’t all rest at Kubiak’s feet. This is a structural organizational problem that stems from having too many friends of friends and not enough quality."
 
Mr teX said:
this is the part i addressed in my post about what he said...


"The problems in Houston don’t all rest at Kubiak’s feet. This is a structural organizational problem that stems from having too many friends of friends and not enough quality."
Click to expand...

And I'm not talking about what you posted.

I'm talking about the "Lombardi doesn't know anything about football because he got fired" take. It's like saying "Jimmy Johnson doesn't know anything about football because he got fired."
 
Mr. White said:
It's also pretty funny that a lot of these posts attack Lombardi without addressing one damn word that he says in the article.
Click to expand...

Mr. White said:
I agree with you that he was wrong on Moss. It wasn't that he couldn't run, it's that he wouldn't run in Oakland.

Now, word's getting out that he's doing the same in NE.

He got the Raiders to the Super Bowl as a GM. Sounds like credibility to me.
Click to expand...

I listened to him for 45 minutes on 1560 and have listened to him before on NFLN. The guy is an ass! He didn't build the team that went to the Super Bowl. That was Bruce Allen!

Its just like Tim Purpura being the GM of the Astros the year after Gerry Hunsicker left. Purpura didn't build that team. He rode Hunsicker's coat tails!

The Raiders went into the tank the year Bruce Allen left and Lombardi took over. So I won't pick anything out of the article to argue about because he doesn't know CRAP!!! Ask Raiders fans who they want back more, Bruce Allen or Lombardi!
 
The Texan's have a lot of nepotism in their organization . I also believe they are burdened with an image the owner wants a Texan player to be .

To me , we have extremely in inexperienced coaches and average talent but the marketing is top notch . So the question is ... do we have talent that's not being coached up or we've missed on players the last three years and nobody could coach them up or both .

We have four OL coaches but can't run . When Gibbs was brought in here , we thought we would run all day long ... what happened . The Texans have drafted and signed FA's in the secondary plus changed coaches and still stink . We've drafted DL high and low but none ( except Mario ) pan out . We've had three DL coaches and still can't get the QB .

In the end I think we have a nicey nicey organization , where the fellows know after the game their going to get their juice box and Teddy Grahams ... win or lose . They should have come down on Dunta for the shoe thing plus they have a team that has been put together with not much fire .

Cure ... bring in a demanding coach who's passionate and will settle for nothing less than the best . Bring in bigger players in the middle OL/DL along with safeties that can run and hit . The OL ... I think has the OT's , maybe a C in Caldwell ... they need roadgrader guards ... hell with the ZBS . On defense this team would be so much better if they had Gary Walker and Seth Payne at DT ( I know , their old ) . Ooops the exterminators here ... gotta go .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Cure ... bring in a demanding coach who's passionate and will settle for nothing less than the best . Bring in bigger players in the middle OL/DL along with safeties that can run and hit . The OL ... I think has the OT's , maybe a C in Caldwell ... they need roadgrader guards ... hell with the ZBS . On defense this team would be so much better if they had Gary Walker and Seth Payne at DT ( I know , their old ) . Ooops the exterminators here ... gotta go .
Click to expand...

i.e. Rebuild
 
Mr. White said:
And I'm not talking about what you posted.

I'm talking about the "Lombardi doesn't know anything about football because he got fired" take. It's like saying "Jimmy Johnson doesn't know anything about football because he got fired."
Click to expand...

Thats a stupid comment! Your proving my point! Jimmy Johnson built and won Super Bowls with HIS teams that HE built!! As a matter of fact, the Cowpokes won a Super Bowl with Jimmy's team after he was fired and haven't won another playoff game since slef proclaimed JERRY JONES SUPER OWNER SUPER GM started with player personal.
 
Last edited:
texanfan2002114 said:
Thats a dumb ass comment! Your proving my point! Jimmy Johnson built and won Super Bowls with HIS teams that HE built!! As a matter of fact, the Cowpokes won a Super Bowl with Jimmy's team after he was fired and haven't won another playoff game since slef proclaimed JERRY JONES SUPER OWNER SUPER GM started with player personal.
Click to expand...

You still haven't addressed anything in the article. You're proving my point.

I don't have anything against you personally, so I won't use words like "dumb-ass" describing a take that I don't agree with.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The Texan's have a lot of nepotism in their organization . I also believe they are burdened with an image the owner wants a Texan player to be .

To me , we have extremely in inexperienced coaches and average talent but the marketing is top notch . So the question is ... do we have talent that's not being coached up or we've missed on players the last three years and nobody could coach them up or both .

We have four OL coaches but can't run . When Gibbs was brought in here , we thought we would run all day long ... what happened . The Texans have drafted and signed FA's in the secondary plus changed coaches and still stink . We've drafted DL high and low but none ( except Mario ) pan out . We've had three DL coaches and still can't get the QB .


In the end I think we have a nicey nicey organization , where the fellows know after the game their going to get their juice box and Teddy Grahams ... win or lose . They should have come down on Dunta for the shoe thing plus they have a team that has been put together with not much fire .

Cure ... bring in a demanding coach who's passionate and will settle for nothing less than the best . Bring in bigger players in the middle OL/DL along with safeties that can run and hit . The OL ... I think has the OT's , maybe a C in Caldwell ... they need roadgrader guards ... hell with the ZBS . On defense this team would be so much better if they had Gary Walker and Seth Payne at DT ( I know , their old ) . Ooops the exterminators here ... gotta go .
Click to expand...


All of our coaches have had success elsewhere, which tells me all i need to know. The common denominator in all of our suckiness is the players & the talent level. The coaching contributes to that, but as someone said on the radio other day, you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.
 
Mr. White said:
You still haven't addressed anything in the article. You're proving my point.


Quote:
Owner Bob McNair has been very patient. He initially hired Charley Casserly as general manager and gave him all the power. When that went downhill, he hired the coach and gave him all the power. So what does he do now? He’s done A and he’s done B. What’s next?

Next is to hire someone who can bring a plan and an infrastructure to the team, someone who can find players and develop them and who knows what it takes to win in the NFL. Hire someone who can interview a coach, who can talk football on an intellectual basis with the head coach, and split their powers — much like the New York Giants successfully do. Give the coach the power to be the coach and give the general manager the power to be the general manager, and make sure both of them are smart, experienced and well-versed in what it takes to win -- but might not be best friends.
Click to expand...

What does Michael Lombardi know what it takes to win in this league?? This is the same guy who hired Lane Kiffen to be his head coach!
 
texanfan2002114 said:
Michael Lombardi is an ass! He is the same GM who traded Randy Moss for a 4th round pick to NE. He said that Moss couldn't run anymore and the following season Moss went off for 98 rec 1493 yrds and a huge number of 23 TDS!!!

He knows crap about building an NFL Franchise. Thats like me trying to tell a firefighter how to put out a fire because I've seen other firefighters doing it successfully!
Click to expand...

And where is that 4th round selection today? The Raiders cut him before the season started. Who the heck cuts a 4th round pick? Oh....nevermind.

So, they basically gave Moss to NE. Hey, who wouldn't...:rolleyes:

BTW, Slade Norris was that 4th round pick. Cool name
 
Last edited:
Mr. White said:
It's also pretty funny that a lot of these posts attack Lombardi without addressing one damn word that he says in the article.
Click to expand...

Agree. I made the comment on page 1. No matter what you say, what he said is pretty close to true about hiring friends, etc. Attacking the messenger doesn't make his true statements go away.
 
Everything Lombardi said is completely true. At some point it would be nice if some people in here could take there blue and red colored glasses off and see that this Smithiak experiment has been a failure and this ship isn't sailing to any post season for the 4th year now.

The Texans organization has been an organization that has hired friends of friends, and yeah that might have worked for other HC's and GM's, but it clearly hasn't worked here. Kubiak's Denver Broncos blue print hasn't worked. I'm so sick of people saying "Kubiak knows how to win." He has never won anything as a HC. Being a HC and an OC to a HC who won with John Elway as their QB doesn't mean that he was ever going to be successful as a HC. Kubiak was a great candidate on paper when the Texans hired him, but he hasn't made anything happen, and this team isn't going anywhere this year either.

What many fans of the Texans don't realize is that most people from outside of the Texan fan base still laugh at our franchise and put us right there with the Lions. We've never had a winning team in one season and I'm sick and tired of it. It's time to try a new experiment with a proven HC, or hell find the newest hot coordinator on the block after this season is up and give them a try.

I'm so sick of these slow expectations and "lets wait and see how his Kubiak does and give him time" approach.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
What does Michael Lombardi know what it takes to win in this league?? This is the same guy who hired Lane Kiffen to be his head coach!
Click to expand...

Hiring Lane Kiffin, riding coattails, what he said about wanting to get hired again, etc. still doesn't have anything to do with what he says in the article.

He's still got credibility on the matter by virtue of being on the inside of an organization. The guy knows how good NFL teams run because he's been in them before.
 
Mr teX said:
All of our coaches have had success elsewhere, which tells me all i need to know. The common denominator in all of our suckiness is the players & the talent level. The coaching contributes to that, but as someone said on the radio other day, you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd.
Click to expand...


What does this say about the awesome Smithiak talent evaluating machine? I guess all those hidden gems were hidden turds.


In Kubes We Trust :rolleyes:
 
texanfan2002114 said:
No he can't, thats why he doesn't!

"Lombardi has also contacted several teams around the NFL seeking out potential jobs but with no luck."

http://oak.scout.com/2/642772.html
Click to expand...

your linking a random report from a Raiders website? The jumpsuit is a master of propaganda.

for the record, Lombardi is working for the NFL already in the NFL Network and he said today that he is happier doing this because he doesn't have to worry about owners that don't call you at 7am in the morning and say that Jamarcus is an accurate passer and that you don't know what you are talking about and then get fired. Yeah even Casserley can get an NFL analyst job but Lombardi works for the NFL and has his own gig. Casserley has a job with the worst pregame show ever at CBS. Oh man, that show stinks to high heaven.

Lombardi isn't angling for the Houston job. He is on many more markets on radio shows talking football and promoting nationalfootballpost. It's not like he is coming on our radio show because he wants to be the Texans GM. Thats ludicrous.

I don't think hiring a new coach and GM is 'starting over'. It is addressing shortcomings in the organization and moving forward. Look at some of the quick turnarounds that have happened after a coaching change. Having a good head coach is the 2nd most important factor in winning other than having a good QB. Kubiak has done good with the offense, but he has not shown any ability to assemble a quality defense. He is the HC not the OC. If he can't get both jobs done, then find someone who can.

It's the same thing as last year. No urgency. No preparation and intensity.
 
Mr. White said:
Hiring Lane Kiffin, riding coattails, what he said about wanting to get hired again, etc. still doesn't have anything to do with what he says in the article.

He's still got credibility on the matter by virtue of being on the inside of an organization. The guy knows how good NFL teams run because he's been in them before.
Click to expand...

So have Kubiak and Smith.

His article is accurate in a generic sort of way. "People that are good and experienced should be hired." No kidding. The hard part is to figure out who is good and experienced and whether they can replicate it. The list of guys that have done consistently well with multiple organizations is pretty short.
 
Mr. White said:
Hiring Lane Kiffin, riding coattails, what he said about wanting to get hired again, etc. still doesn't have anything to do with what he says in the article.

He's still got credibility on the matter by virtue of being on the inside of an organization. The guy knows how good NFL teams run because he's been in them before.
Click to expand...

Second Honeymoon said:
your linking a random report from a Raiders website? The jumpsuit is a master of propaganda.

for the record, Lombardi is working for the NFL already in the NFL Network and he said today that he is happier doing this because he doesn't have to worry about owners that don't call you at 7am in the morning and say that Jamarcus is an accurate passer and that you don't know what you are talking about and then get fired. Yeah even Casserley can get an NFL analyst job but Lombardi works for the NFL and has his own gig. Casserley has a job with the worst pregame show ever at CBS. Oh man, that show stinks to high heaven.

Lombardi isn't angling for the Houston job. He is on many more markets on radio shows talking football and promoting nationalfootballpost. It's not like he is coming on our radio show because he wants to be the Texans GM. Thats ludicrous.

I don't think hiring a new coach and GM is 'starting over'. It is addressing shortcomings in the organization and moving forward. Look at some of the quick turnarounds that have happened after a coaching change. Having a good head coach is the 2nd most important factor in winning other than having a good QB. Kubiak has done good with the offense, but he has not shown any ability to assemble a quality defense. He is the HC not the OC. If he can't get both jobs done, then find someone who can.

It's the same thing as last year. No urgency. No preparation and intensity.
Click to expand...


A radio guy, might, if he's lucky, make 6 figures. An NFL gm clears that in the first 3 months of the year.
 
noxiousdog said:
A radio guy, might, if he's lucky, make 6 figures. An NFL gm clears that in the first 3 months of the year.
Click to expand...
there are only 32 of those jobs in the world...are you saying that everyone who isn't a NFL GM is full of it?
 
I'll take Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden. It makes sense and could be a long term solution. Both have proven they can build winners and are both eager to prove their previous owners wrong. It's obvious Gruden being fired has had a negative effect on the Bucs.

I am not going to rule out Cowher but its pretty hopeful thinking that we could lure him over the Panthers, Skins, and perhaps Cowboys. He has roots in Carolina and the Skins and Cowboys are appealling positions. Schottenheimer is just a little old for my liking and Holmgren says he wouldn't mind coaching on the East Coast. Probably angling for the Skins job. Problem is the Skins job may come available sooner than he would prefer.
 
Vinny said:
there are only 32 of those jobs in the world...are you saying that everyone who isn't a NFL GM is full of it?
Click to expand...

No. I'm saying that I don't think "football people" think Lombardi is as smart as he thinks he is, and that he'd return to GMing in a heartbeat if he could get a job.
 
noxiousdog said:
A radio guy, might, if he's lucky, make 6 figures. An NFL gm clears that in the first 3 months of the year.
Click to expand...

hes not a radio guy. he works for NFL Network and started nationalfootballpost, which is doing extremely well since launch. Ask Marc Cuban how much money you can make on websites and online intellectual properties.

Lombardi is good people and I appreciate his honest opinions and insight

...sorry if he doesn't serve the KoolAid like Vandermeer. Justice is an arsekisser too towards the Texans.
 
Runner said:
What does this say about the awesome Smithiak talent evaluating machine? I guess all those hidden gems were hidden turds.


In Kubes We Trust :rolleyes:
Click to expand...


that's why i said coaching is part of that, but it clearly isn't all of it as some in here would like to believe. They've done decent in the draft, (Brown, Jacoby, Diles, Adibi, Cushing & possibly a few others). IMO, the big failure has been in FA for them. overpaying bums, unwilling to pay for guys who can make a difference.

I will however not lambast them for hiring friends, because every coach does that, for better & for worse.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I'll take Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden. It makes sense and could be a long term solution. Both have proven they can build winners and are both eager to prove their previous owners wrong. It's obvious Gruden being fired has had a negative effect on the Bucs.

I am not going to rule out Cowher but its pretty hopeful thinking that we could lure him over the Panthers, Skins, and perhaps Cowboys. He has roots in Carolina and the Skins and Cowboys are appealling positions. Schottenheimer is just a little old for my liking and Holmgren says he wouldn't mind coaching on the East Coast. Probably angling for the Skins job. Problem is the Skins job may come available sooner than he would prefer.
Click to expand...

What is your deal with John Gruden? After that SB year where he took Tony Dungy's team to the SB where that defense did everything, the entire success he ever had in Tampa was from that same defense year after year. He completely failed to build an offense on that team the same way Kubiak has failed to build a defense here. And Gruden is hated by his players. Just about every player that left Tampa blasted Gruden. I've talked to quite a few Bucs fans that told me a lot of stories about what went on out there that wasn't all over the mainstream media about Gruden and how poorly he managed his players. Gruden is way to stubborn for my liking. The last thing I want to see is Gruden come here and immediately bring in 3 new QB's behind Schuab and tell Schuab to throw 3 TD's every week or he'll be demoted to 2nd string. Gruden thinks he is a mad scientist with QB's, and I don't want a guy like that here. I don't think I've ever heard or seen any player in the NFL confess what a great coach Gruden was and how much they loved playing for him. I've only heard players trash the guy after they go to another team in free agency.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I'll take Bruce Allen and Jon Gruden. It makes sense and could be a long term solution. Both have proven they can build winners and are both eager to prove their previous owners wrong. It's obvious Gruden being fired has had a negative effect on the Bucs.

I am not going to rule out Cowher but its pretty hopeful thinking that we could lure him over the Panthers, Skins, and perhaps Cowboys. He has roots in Carolina and the Skins and Cowboys are appealling positions. Schottenheimer is just a little old for my liking and Holmgren says he wouldn't mind coaching on the East Coast. Probably angling for the Skins job. Problem is the Skins job may come available sooner than he would prefer.
Click to expand...


Gruden has built nothing...Bruce Allen built that raiders team he coached before he was traded to TB & Dungy & whomever was the GM for the bucs at that time built the team Gruden won the SB with. The years after that, Gruden had been able to do nothing.

give me Holmgren as head coach if kubes is getting shipped out b/c at least he has done it with 2 different teams..
 
Mr teX said:
that's why i said coaching is part of that, but it clearly isn't all of it as some in here would like to believe. They've done decent in the draft, (Brown, Jacoby, Diles, Adibi, Cushing & possibly a few others). IMO, the big failure has been in FA for them. overpaying bums, unwilling to pay for guys who can make a difference.

I will however not lambast them for hiring friends, because every coach does that, for better & for worse.
Click to expand...

couldnt agree more

Gruden has done a good job with absolutely no talent at QB. They could never draft early enough to get a new QB and kept on bringing in guys that sucked. Any time he had a decent QB he has won. He won with Gannon and Garcia, geez he even won with Brad Johnson who was the epitome of decent.

For some reason, hiring Gruden seems to me like a good move. I think he will bring some of the things that we are missing. The only time he had problems with players were when they were bad actors like Keyshawn. Ask Sapp and Brooks how much they like Gruden. I would rather have Cowher but its unlikely and I think Gruden is better long term choice than Holmgren. After those guys, Gruden is the best choice. We can't hire Shanahan. That aint gonna happen.

you can hate on my opinion and say Gruden sucks but its a fact that he is a more qualified HC than Kubiak
 
Last edited:
Mr teX said:
IMO, the big failure has been in FA for them. overpaying bums, unwilling to pay for guys who can make a difference.
Click to expand...
Bobby Grier has been at the head of scouting the talent in the NFL since day 1 of this franchise. He's the man behind the decisions that brought us Chucky Clemons, Keith Mitchell, Todd Wade, Robaire Smith, Stacey Mack, Anthony Weaver and every other really awful talent that the other teams didn't want on their rosters. I point this out every year, and every year we sign more stiffs. It's groundhog day.

61.jpg

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/FrontOfficeBio.asp?front_office_id=61
 
noxiousdog said:
So have Kubiak and Smith.

His article is accurate in a generic sort of way. "People that are good and experienced should be hired." No kidding. The hard part is to figure out who is good and experienced and whether they can replicate it. The list of guys that have done consistently well with multiple organizations is pretty short.
Click to expand...

The difference is that Kubiak and Smith don't tell the media jack about how they run an organization. Like it or not, we rely on the media for information. And from what I've seen, this guy has pretty good sources.

And I take something completely different than you take from the article. It's not that "smart people should get hired", it's that "a good organization has checks and balances."

It's pretty obvious that this one doesn't.
 
Its just something about Lombardi that bugs me. Hes just not my style. The thing that really bugs me is he still calls Schaub, Swab.... :ok:
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top