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A letter to Bob McNair...

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DerekLee1

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I also posted this same letter to McClain's blog.

Dear Mr. McNair,

I've been frustrated as heck with this team this year, and my wife keeps coyly asking me if I'm ready to give up my 1st- and 2nd-row Bull Pen tickets. It gets tempting, but usually a couple of days after a loss I've settled down and think things through. It's made me look hard at this team, though, and one thing I'm pretty sure of: Rome wasn't built in a day, but Hiroshima was destroyed in seconds.

This team had way more than one bad position when Smith and Kubiak took over. DE, DT, QB, LB, TE, OL, RB, and S were all terrible. Beyond Dunta and AJ, our CB's and WR's were also awful. In our 4th year now, we have a very good QB, receiving corps, LB corps, RB, TE, at least one great DE, and a solid OL. That's a heck of a lot to fix in 3 years.

I'm frustrated too at how long this has taken to fix. But in reading my own posts and thinking things through, I think I'll give this regime a bit of a break if they've fixed all but two positions (DT and S) in 3 years. The defense looks terrible, but I think it has taken improvement everywhere else to see exactly HOW bad certain positions are. Fix the gaping holes at DT and the safeties, and you'll see an entirely different defense. I still believe in Kubiak, I still believe in Rick Smith. I'm skeptical of Frank Bush because he promised us more aggression and pressure, and I haven't seen it yet, but we're also only three games in, so I'll try to be optimistic.

Bottom line, I think Kubiak has done a tremendous job of fixing an incredibly inept offense, and he has now turned the reins over to Lil' Shanny. This means he'll be focusing 100% on defense until it's right. I think he can do it, and I think McNair needs to be very cautious when evaluating the progress. This team was bad in all aspects of the game when Smithiak took over, and there's one piece left to fix. No matter how painful, let's give them just a little more time to get it right. If they're successful, we could be looking at a dynastic regime. What I don't want is a revolving door of coaches for this team.

I know you and Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are doing everything you can to be competitive. And regardless of what a lot of sour fans may say, I know all you and your players and coaches want to do is win. I'm sure you're all as frustrated as we are, but I for one am willing to try to ride this out as long as it takes. Thanks for bringing football back to Houston.
 
Well said. There is a lot of football left this season and way to early to rush to judgement. Hell after week one, I was sure our offence wouldn't score more than 14 in any game this season.
 
Nice letter.

I still think we should all pitch in and buy the Texans front office a box of "Washington Generals" t-shirts.
 
I've had one criterion to judge this team by since the new regime took over: continuous improvement.

The bottom line is that I haven't seen it. It leveled off sometime after the 2007 season. Certain aspects of the team have improved, but not the team's overall performance. And it sure hasn't translated in the W-L column.

I know that there's lots of room for argument as far as to which 8-8 team was better, but I don't buy it. Mediocre is mediocre.

I'm not a homer for any particular coach, player, or GM. If they don't produce, then they should get replaced.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I also posted this same letter to McClain's blog.

Dear Mr. McNair,

I've been frustrated as heck with this team this year, and my wife keeps coyly asking me if I'm ready to give up my 1st- and 2nd-row Bull Pen tickets. It gets tempting, but usually a couple of days after a loss I've settled down and think things through. It's made me look hard at this team, though, and one thing I'm pretty sure of: Rome wasn't built in a day, but Hiroshima was destroyed in seconds.

This team had way more than one bad position when Smith and Kubiak took over. DE, DT, QB, LB, TE, OL, RB, and S were all terrible. Beyond Dunta and AJ, our CB's and WR's were also awful. In our 4th year now, we have a very good QB, receiving corps, LB corps, RB, TE, at least one great DE, and a solid OL. That's a heck of a lot to fix in 3 years.

I'm frustrated too at how long this has taken to fix. But in reading my own posts and thinking things through, I think I'll give this regime a bit of a break if they've fixed all but two positions (DT and S) in 3 years. The defense looks terrible, but I think it has taken improvement everywhere else to see exactly HOW bad certain positions are. Fix the gaping holes at DT and the safeties, and you'll see an entirely different defense. I still believe in Kubiak, I still believe in Rick Smith. I'm skeptical of Frank Bush because he promised us more aggression and pressure, and I haven't seen it yet, but we're also only three games in, so I'll try to be optimistic.

Bottom line, I think Kubiak has done a tremendous job of fixing an incredibly inept offense, and he has now turned the reins over to Lil' Shanny. This means he'll be focusing 100% on defense until it's right. I think he can do it, and I think McNair needs to be very cautious when evaluating the progress. This team was bad in all aspects of the game when Smithiak took over, and there's one piece left to fix. No matter how painful, let's give them just a little more time to get it right. If they're successful, we could be looking at a dynastic regime. What I don't want is a revolving door of coaches for this team.

I know you and Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are doing everything you can to be competitive. And regardless of what a lot of sour fans may say, I know all you and your players and coaches want to do is win. I'm sure you're all as frustrated as we are, but I for one am willing to try to ride this out as long as it takes. Thanks for bringing football back to Houston.
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I just watched the Bob McNair spotlight vid at HT.com....gotta say, I thought he was a good man before, but I have an immense respect for him now. I know he's not one of those owners that doesn't give a crap and just count the $$$. He really cares and wants to succeed. I know he'll get this right and I'm willing to wait as well. It'll be sweet as heck when it happens :texflag:
 
El Tejano said:
Has Mcnair ever responded to any of these letters himself?
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I'm sure they have the same letter ready for every fan who writes in, "thank you for your continued support of the Texans and rest assured we're trying our best every day to build a champion here in Houston, blah, blah, blah"
 
Dear DerekLee1,

Thank you for your very kind letter and generous support of the Houston Texans!

Did you like the all red uniforms last week? They are really neat and my favorite.

Sincerely,

Bob McNair
 
Double Barrel said:
Dear DerekLee1,

Thank you for your very kind letter and generous support of the Houston Texans!

Did you like the all red uniforms last week? They are really neat and my favorite.

Sincerely,

Bob McNair
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ZOMG!! Bob McNair responded!! I'm never washing this forum post again!! AAAAYYYYYYYHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
 
Great, now McNair will point to this letter than things are good and not change a thing. Thanks. I was hoping you'd blast him for sitting there and doing nothing while waiting years to get decent while other teams grow and get to the playoffs...but that is just a letter I'd write.:gun:
 
DerekLee1 said:
I also posted this same letter to McClain's blog.

Dear Mr. McNair,

I've been frustrated as heck with this team this year, and my wife keeps coyly asking me if I'm ready to give up my 1st- and 2nd-row Bull Pen tickets. It gets tempting, but usually a couple of days after a loss I've settled down and think things through. It's made me look hard at this team, though, and one thing I'm pretty sure of: Rome wasn't built in a day, but Hiroshima was destroyed in seconds.

This team had way more than one bad position when Smith and Kubiak took over. DE, DT, QB, LB, TE, OL, RB, and S were all terrible. Beyond Dunta and AJ, our CB's and WR's were also awful. In our 4th year now, we have a very good QB, receiving corps, LB corps, RB, TE, at least one great DE, and a solid OL. That's a heck of a lot to fix in 3 years.

I'm frustrated too at how long this has taken to fix. But in reading my own posts and thinking things through, I think I'll give this regime a bit of a break if they've fixed all but two positions (DT and S) in 3 years. The defense looks terrible, but I think it has taken improvement everywhere else to see exactly HOW bad certain positions are. Fix the gaping holes at DT and the safeties, and you'll see an entirely different defense. I still believe in Kubiak, I still believe in Rick Smith. I'm skeptical of Frank Bush because he promised us more aggression and pressure, and I haven't seen it yet, but we're also only three games in, so I'll try to be optimistic.

Bottom line, I think Kubiak has done a tremendous job of fixing an incredibly inept offense, and he has now turned the reins over to Lil' Shanny. This means he'll be focusing 100% on defense until it's right. I think he can do it, and I think McNair needs to be very cautious when evaluating the progress. This team was bad in all aspects of the game when Smithiak took over, and there's one piece left to fix. No matter how painful, let's give them just a little more time to get it right. If they're successful, we could be looking at a dynastic regime. What I don't want is a revolving door of coaches for this team.

I know you and Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are doing everything you can to be competitive. And regardless of what a lot of sour fans may say, I know all you and your players and coaches want to do is win. I'm sure you're all as frustrated as we are, but I for one am willing to try to ride this out as long as it takes. Thanks for bringing football back to Houston.
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Sounds like someone has been drinking the red Kool-Aid again.
 
I'm willing to ride this out as long as it takes?

You'll die before you see good safety play in a houston uniform.
 
I like Bob McNair and Mrs. McNair, their race horses, the GM, head coach, scouts, water boy, cheer leaders and most of the players. I even like most of you. I believe I have legitimate complaints of what I don't like.

First and for most is posters who do not accept any criticism of the team or coaches.

Next is a GM & coach identifying the need to stop the run as the DT position hasn't stopped sweat; then drafting a LB in first round to stop the run. I really like Cushing and his tackles. Uh, how many were within one yard or behind LOS? How many QB sacks or hurries does he have? We give a free agent DE a huge contract and...? Oh, yeah he can slide in on certain plays. How is that working out for us?

Next is a high priority of a power back so we sign Brown http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4551 3.1 yds? Oh yeah, we got a potential guy somewhere on the bench as an UFA. At least the price for Foster is right.

Safety is a huge problem so we draft a 7th rounder who is not able to play. Diles has encouraged my hopes for 7th rounders but we really needed two tight ends in 4th and 5th? How many plays at that position heve they got?

So, yeah.. I am a wee bit concerned.
 
swtbound07 said:
I'm willing to ride this out as long as it takes?

You'll die before you see good safety play in a houston uniform.
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Are you a safety? Because you seem really obsessed with this safety thing.

Yes, our safety play is horrible. But so was every other freaking position on the defense 4 years ago. If that's all you've got left to complain about is one position - then what are you complaining about? Think 4 years ago today. Most teams can fix two positions at most in an offseason. We fixed a lot more than 8 positions in 4 offseasons.

It's going to be a real shame if McNair jumps the gun, fires Kubiak and his staff, and then see the team see someone else add the final missing piece and go to the playoffs. The new guy would get all the accolades while reaping the benefit of what Kubiak and Smith built (think Jon Gruden).
 
DerekLee1 said:
Are you a safety? Because you seem really obsessed with this safety thing.

Yes, our safety play is horrible. But so was every other freaking position on the defense 4 years ago. If that's all you've got left to complain about is one position - then what are you complaining about? Think 4 years ago today. Most teams can fix two positions at most in an offseason. We fixed a lot more than 8 positions in 4 offseasons.

It's going to be a real shame if McNair jumps the gun, fires Kubiak and his staff, and then see the team see someone else add the final missing piece and go to the playoffs. The new guy would get all the accolades while reaping the benefit of what Kubiak and Smith built (think Jon Gruden).
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Are you Gary Kubiak or what? So what if the next coach gets the love for having a good team?

yeah, too bad the Jets jumped the gun and fired Mangini a year after going 10-6. It may take them years to recover (turn on your sarcasm meters for that one). I don't think anyone in NY cares who gets the credit now that they look like one of the better teams in the league. If the Jets took the kind of advice you are dishing out they would still be mediocre.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Are you a safety? Because you seem really obsessed with this safety thing.

Yes, our safety play is horrible. But so was every other freaking position on the defense 4 years ago. If that's all you've got left to complain about is one position - then what are you complaining about? Think 4 years ago today. Most teams can fix two positions at most in an offseason. We fixed a lot more than 8 positions in 4 offseasons.

It's going to be a real shame if McNair jumps the gun, fires Kubiak and his staff, and then see the team see someone else add the final missing piece and go to the playoffs. The new guy would get all the accolades while reaping the benefit of what Kubiak and Smith built (think Jon Gruden).
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I'm tired of discussing the 50,000 other issues when this is the main one and gets ignored.

What do I have to complain about????? Are you serious??? Do you watch texans football? Do you enjoy watching endlessly long touchdowns from the other team? I should shut up and be glad that they've ignored my yelling for a safety because our d-line gets no push and our linebackers can't be bothered to line up on running backs out of the backfield. You think everything is fixed but safety and DT? You are absolutely insane.

Its going to be a real shame when you have to sit through another year of this **** because you sent mcnair a letter telling him everything is okay and your just going to be patient. Enjoy that.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Are you a safety? Because you seem really obsessed with this safety thing.

Yes, our safety play is horrible. But so was every other freaking position on the defense 4 years ago. If that's all you've got left to complain about is one position - then what are you complaining about? Think 4 years ago today. Most teams can fix two positions at most in an offseason. We fixed a lot more than 8 positions in 4 offseasons.

It's going to be a real shame if McNair jumps the gun, fires Kubiak and his staff, and then see the team see someone else add the final missing piece and go to the playoffs. The new guy would get all the accolades while reaping the benefit of what Kubiak and Smith built (think Jon Gruden).
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You know Atlanta and many other teams had alot of positions gone bad too and they turned it around. There is no team in the NFL that has every position as a "non-weak" spot. With the roster limits and the salary cap, etc there are no stacked teams 22 deep. With that said, you draft and bring in guys to fill holes to cover the rest and to get coached up. If you take that in over 4 years then it is a fail. Maybe 2 years from now you have DT and Safety covered but you may have lost a few WRs, a TE and a DB. You have to have a system where guys fit and the weak spots get covered by the talent in the strong areas. Sorry but in this day and age, there are no teams that have gone slower.
 
HoustonFrog said:
You know Atlanta and many other teams had alot of positions gone bad too and they turned it around. There is no team in the NFL that has every position as a "non-weak" spot. With the roster limits and the salary cap, etc there are no stacked teams 22 deep. With that said, you draft and bring in guys to fill holes to cover the rest and to get coached up. If you take that in over 4 years then it is a fail. Maybe 2 years from now you have DT and Safety covered but you may have lost a few WRs, a TE and a DB. You have to have a system where guys fit and the weak spots get covered by the talent in the strong areas. Sorry but in this day and age, there are no teams that have gone slower.
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People forget very quickly. Up until last year, we were in salary cap hell. There WAS no room to bring in any free agents and the only way to relieve ourselves was to wait out the contract expirations and build through the draft. We just had breathing room this year, but they weren't going to break the bank on subpar players.
 
DerekLee1 said:
People forget very quickly. Up until last year, we were in salary cap hell. There WAS no room to bring in any free agents and the only way to relieve ourselves was to wait out the contract expirations and build through the draft. We just had breathing room this year, but they weren't going to break the bank on subpar players.
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we weren't in salary cap hell....nothing worse than any other team deals with. The Titans were in ten times deeper 'hell' a few years ago when they were 4-12 and they found a way to get to the playoffs multiple times. In an earlier post I saw you state that part of this "hell" was due to Carr's contract. Guess what? We didn't have to extend it.
 
DerekLee1 said:
People forget very quickly. Up until last year, we were in salary cap hell. There WAS no room to bring in any free agents and the only way to relieve ourselves was to wait out the contract expirations and build through the draft. We just had breathing room this year, but they weren't going to break the bank on subpar players.
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Yeah but teams like the Patriots in the past and others built through the draft and still let big FAs go while having a new influx of talent come in. Atlanta gets a new coach, drafts a QB to go along with Roddy, etc and they trade for a RB. They change the culture and they are winning. The draft is huge. Getting guys in the right scheme is huge. Again, you never are going to have a perfect 22 guys but you can have a perfect "group" of 22 guys that know their position, can tackle, are smart and who buy into the coach and system. Some will be All-Pros and some will be role guys. When the talen tlevel gets better in some areas and the same mistakes still show up, then you look at coaching.
 
HoustonFrog said:
You know Atlanta and many other teams had alot of positions gone bad too and they turned it around. There is no team in the NFL that has every position as a "non-weak" spot. With the roster limits and the salary cap, etc there are no stacked teams 22 deep. With that said, you draft and bring in guys to fill holes to cover the rest and to get coached up. If you take that in over 4 years then it is a fail. Maybe 2 years from now you have DT and Safety covered but you may have lost a few WRs, a TE and a DB. You have to have a system where guys fit and the weak spots get covered by the talent in the strong areas. Sorry but in this day and age, there are no teams that have gone slower.
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Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, Kansas City, Oakland, Carolina, Seattle, St. Louis, Buffalo, and Tampa Bay have all moved backwards while we've moved forward. A few more weeks and you may be able to say the same thing about Tennessee, Denver, Jacksonville, Washington, and Arizona. Building a team like Indy or New England or Pittsburgh where you can plug in new players as you lose old ones takes more than 4 years. You have to have a good foundation and a good system first. Our offense has gotten there; I don't have a problem waiting just a little bit longer for the defense to come around.
 
DerekLee1 said:
Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, Kansas City, Oakland, Carolina, Seattle, St. Louis, Buffalo, and Tampa Bay have all moved backwards while we've moved forward. A few more weeks and you may be able to say the same thing about Tennessee, Denver, Jacksonville, Washington, and Arizona. Building a team like Indy or New England or Pittsburgh where you can plug in new players as you lose old ones takes more than 4 years. You have to have a good foundation and a good system first. Our offense has gotten there; I don't have a problem waiting just a little bit longer for the defense to come around.
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Would you agree that this is a pivotal year?
 
DerekLee1 said:
Detroit, Miami, Cleveland, Kansas City, Oakland, Carolina, Seattle, St. Louis, Buffalo, and Tampa Bay have all moved backwards while we've moved forward. A few more weeks and you may be able to say the same thing about Tennessee, Denver, Jacksonville, Washington, and Arizona. Building a team like Indy or New England or Pittsburgh where you can plug in new players as you lose old ones takes more than 4 years. You have to have a good foundation and a good system first. Our offense has gotten there; I don't have a problem waiting just a little bit longer for the defense to come around.
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Seattle was a playoff team up until last year. St. Louis was a SB team within this decade. TB was in the playoffs not too long back. Miami made the playoffs last year. Carolina was good until last year and a playoff team. Going up and down and having 3-4 years good and 3-4 years rebuilding isn't a problem. The whole time these teams go through their cycle, the Texans are still moving to .500 and at times maybe moving backwards. At some point you have to make a leap. Most coaches don't have 5 year plans unless in the 5th year they are a SB/Playoff favorite.
 
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I'm willing to ride this out as long as it takes?

You'll die before you see good safety play in a houston uniform.
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I can just picture Granma.

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HoustonFrog said:
Seattle was a playoff team up until last year. St. Louis was a SB team within this decade. TB was in the playoffs not too long back. Miami made the playoffs last year. Carolina was good until last year and a playoff team. Going up and down and having 3-4 years good and 3-4 years rebuilding isn't a problem. The whole time these teams go through their cycle, the Texans are still moving to .500 and at times maybe moving backwards. At some point you have to make a leap. Most coaches doen't have 5 year plans unless in the 5th year they are a SB/Playoff favorite.
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But we're talking about the Smith and Kubiak era here, so in that time period based on those teams you except here, you would have to exclude St. Louis and Tampa Bay. Seattle and Carolina have both regressed, even with very little change in personnel and coaching. I want a perennial playoff team like the Steelers and Dolphins of the 70's, or the Pats of the 2000's, or the (gasp!) cowboys of the 90's. I don't want a sometimes-there, sometimes-not team that goes through a few bad years before they get to a few good years. We've had 7 bad years. What's one more if it leads to 8 good ones?

If the backup QB is the most popular guy in town, then the head coach must the the 2nd most popular.

Jeff Fisher hasn't won a SB ever, and hasn't been in one in 10 years. Should he be fired? Do you consider him a bad coach? He didn't build that team; he inherited a good franchise that was build by Jack Pardee and Buddy Ryan. He's just kept the tradition going.

What about Shula? Schottenhemier? Even Jimmy Johnson took 4 years to win a playoff game.
 
DerekLee1 said:
I also posted this same letter to McClain's blog.

Dear Mr. McNair,

I've been frustrated as heck with this team this year, and my wife keeps coyly asking me if I'm ready to give up my 1st- and 2nd-row Bull Pen tickets. It gets tempting, but usually a couple of days after a loss I've settled down and think things through. It's made me look hard at this team, though, and one thing I'm pretty sure of: Rome wasn't built in a day, but Hiroshima was destroyed in seconds.

This team had way more than one bad position when Smith and Kubiak took over. DE, DT, QB, LB, TE, OL, RB, and S were all terrible. Beyond Dunta and AJ, our CB's and WR's were also awful. In our 4th year now, we have a very good QB, receiving corps, LB corps, RB, TE, at least one great DE, and a solid OL. That's a heck of a lot to fix in 3 years.

I'm frustrated too at how long this has taken to fix. But in reading my own posts and thinking things through, I think I'll give this regime a bit of a break if they've fixed all but two positions (DT and S) in 3 years. The defense looks terrible, but I think it has taken improvement everywhere else to see exactly HOW bad certain positions are. Fix the gaping holes at DT and the safeties, and you'll see an entirely different defense. I still believe in Kubiak, I still believe in Rick Smith. I'm skeptical of Frank Bush because he promised us more aggression and pressure, and I haven't seen it yet, but we're also only three games in, so I'll try to be optimistic.

Bottom line, I think Kubiak has done a tremendous job of fixing an incredibly inept offense, and he has now turned the reins over to Lil' Shanny. This means he'll be focusing 100% on defense until it's right. I think he can do it, and I think McNair needs to be very cautious when evaluating the progress. This team was bad in all aspects of the game when Smithiak took over, and there's one piece left to fix. No matter how painful, let's give them just a little more time to get it right. If they're successful, we could be looking at a dynastic regime. What I don't want is a revolving door of coaches for this team.

I know you and Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak are doing everything you can to be competitive. And regardless of what a lot of sour fans may say, I know all you and your players and coaches want to do is win. I'm sure you're all as frustrated as we are, but I for one am willing to try to ride this out as long as it takes. Thanks for bringing football back to Houston.
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Don't like this letter. Sorry, but I've got to be honest. We've had one awful coach and now another that has taken us nowhere and isn't taking us anywhere this year either, and you're over here patting the man on the back for having an under achieving franchise where this year will be another let down. I sincerely hope that no one else is writing letters like this to our owner and applauding the guy.

What Bob Mcnair needs to hear is how upset and frustrated fans are for having to passive coaches for 8 years now that can't sniff the playoffs and letting the same coach (Kubiak) pick his defensive coordinator which was a guy who was promoted from within on an already horrible defense. Mcnair needs to hear from fans how angry they are that our defense is one of the most embarrassing defenses I've ever seen when we've used most of our draft picks on the defense and especially the 1st rounders.

This is not what Bob Mcnair needs to read from any of his fans.
 
DerekLee1 said:
But we're talking about the Smith and Kubiak era here, so in that time period based on those teams you except here, you would have to exclude St. Louis and Tampa Bay. Seattle and Carolina have both regressed, even with very little change in personnel and coaching. I want a perennial playoff team like the Steelers and Dolphins of the 70's, or the Pats of the 2000's, or the (gasp!) cowboys of the 90's. I don't want a sometimes-there, sometimes-not team that goes through a few bad years before they get to a few good years. We've had 7 bad years. What's one more if it leads to 8 good ones?

If the backup QB is the most popular guy in town, then the head coach must the the 2nd most popular.

Jeff Fisher hasn't won a SB ever, and hasn't been in one in 10 years. Should he be fired? Do you consider him a bad coach? He didn't build that team; he inherited a good franchise that was build by Jack Pardee and Buddy Ryan. He's just kept the tradition going.

What about Shula? Schottenhemier? Even Jimmy Johnson took 4 years to win a playoff game.
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Ah man, not this again. I heard this same garbage before the season started all off season. This guaranteed feeling that Kubiak and Smith of all people are going to somehow turn this franchise into a winning franchise for years and years as long as we go through some bad ones is literally one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard on any board I've ever posted on or read. THere are a ton of other coaches that stayed to long, and the franchise went right into the gutter. There are a lot more examples of that, then there are these Fisher and Johnson stories. And hell WE ALREADY MADE THAT MISTAKE. Did you forget Dom Capers? He should have been gone after year 3 and we held onto his ass. This is the NFL and you're either producing or your not producing. If you can't sniff the playoffs in 4 years, then you need to be canned, no ifs, ands, or buts. That's simply to long for any coach to stay on in this era of the NFL. There are far to many coaching candidates out there that you could give a try with, rather than staying with an offensive coordinator that is to passive and doesn't hold players and staff members accountable.

I'm tired of hearing from the Kubiak and Smith apologists. I've had to hear this drivel for two years now about how great this guy's going to be as a HC just because the homers believe that anyone Mcnair hires will automatically become a great HC simply because, and this is going to be 4 straight years without a playoff and a defense that keeps getting worse and worse. This whole idea of being optimistic just to be optimistic is for losers. I'm sick of watching a losing franchise. TIme to try some new blood and see if they can stop this franchise from being perennial losers.
 
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DerekLee1 said:
But we're talking about the Smith and Kubiak era here, so in that time period based on those teams you except here, you would have to exclude St. Louis and Tampa Bay. Seattle and Carolina have both regressed, even with very little change in personnel and coaching. I want a perennial playoff team like the Steelers and Dolphins of the 70's, or the Pats of the 2000's, or the (gasp!) cowboys of the 90's. I don't want a sometimes-there, sometimes-not team that goes through a few bad years before they get to a few good years. We've had 7 bad years. What's one more if it leads to 8 good ones?
If the backup QB is the most popular guy in town, then the head coach must the the 2nd most popular.

Jeff Fisher hasn't won a SB ever, and hasn't been in one in 10 years. Should he be fired? Do you consider him a bad coach? He didn't build that team; he inherited a good franchise that was build by Jack Pardee and Buddy Ryan. He's just kept the tradition going.

What about Shula? Schottenhemier? Even Jimmy Johnson took 4 years to win a playoff game.
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Not being negative but you aren't going to get that in this day and age. Did you know that if the Patriots have a winning record this year they will be the first team in the salary cap era to have 9 straight winning seasons?And they did it with the drafts in the early 2000s and actually have fallen off(hitting guys in the draft) some since. Up until last year with the Giants there were some SB teams that regressed the next year. This day and age it is get the talent, win, reload, win, reload. You have to get to the win part though. Jimmy had a plan too. They won 1 game with backups everywhere in 1989. By 1992 they were 13-3. They went from 1-15 to 7-9 and almost a playoff birth to 11-5 and then 13-3. Big difference.
 
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DerekLee1 said:
It's going to be a real shame if McNair jumps the gun, fires Kubiak and his staff, and then see the team see someone else add the final missing piece and go to the playoffs. The new guy would get all the accolades while reaping the benefit of what Kubiak and Smith built (think Jon Gruden).
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Umm.........what's the problem with that?

I'm tired of seeing people settle for mediocrity here....if our owner and fans never hold this team to a higher standard, they'll never reach that next level. You can only hear the head coach say "it's on me....it starts with me" so many times, before people really start to believe him.

4 YEARS IS PLENTY OF TIME TO GET A TEAM TO CHALLENGE FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT!

If Kubiak doesn't turn this team around THIS YEAR, then he needs to move on down the road. One of the reasons why we're in this mess is because all he hires is his cronies. No way in hell should Bush have been our first choice as Defensive Coordinator.
 
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Texecutioner said:
I'm tired of hearing from the Kubiak and Smith apologists. I've had to hear this drivel for two years now about how great this guy's going to be as a HC just because the homers believe that anyone Mcnair hires will automatically become a great HC simply because, and this is going to be 4 straight years without a playoff and a defense that keeps getting worse and worse. This whole idea of being optimistic just to be optimistic is for losers. I'm sick of watching a losing franchise. TIme to try some new blood and see if they can stop this franchise from being perennial losers.
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The difference is Capers never improved the team in ANY way. Offense, defense and special teams got progressively worse every year. Under Kubiak and Smith, we have an elite offense and a top-tier special teams. THAT is improvement. It only feels like forever because we've had seven years of crap. Firing a head coach that makes the kind of improvement Kubiak has made in 3 1/5 seasons is too knee-jerk. It would be foolish. There's no such thing as "win now".

Look at Miami. Last year was a fluke. That's no playoff team. They didn't "fix" that team in a year.

Firing Kubiak does nothing but set us back yet again. Unless Cowher is salivating and begging to come coach this team, it would be foolish to fire him.
 
PS....... BOB plzz destroy the Astrodome with a Laser guided Bomb i think it might be bad luck :texflag:
 
Many consider Belichick to be the greatest coach of this generation. Check out his first 6 years:

5-11
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
5-11

Still ready to jump the gun and fire everyone?
 
DerekLee1 said:
see: Jon Gruden. Take Dungy's team to the SB, then slowly but surely kill it over the next 6 years or so. They may have been another dynasty had they hung on to Dungy.
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LMAO, without Gruden they never would've won the damn superbowl (they didn't get there until Gruden gave them a capable offense). Gruden didn't "kill" that team.......the team got old, but despite that Gruden still took that team to the playoffs 2 times after that SB winning team, with Chris Simms and Jeff Garcia as his starting QBs.

P.S.

Kubiak isn't Tony Dungy.........LOL, Kubiak isn't even Jon Gruden.......and Jon Gruden STILL got fired. (But somehow Kubiak deserves a pass)
 
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Many consider Belichick to be the greatest coach of this generation. Check out his first 6 years:

5-11
7-9
7-9
11-5
5-11
5-11

Still ready to jump the gun and fire everyone?
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Yeah, you are forgetting to mention that they were with the Browns..an organization run completely differently than the Patriots. He was 5-11 his first year with them and hasn't had a losing season since. So stop twisting the facts. If he was here and went 5-11 and then reeled off a salary cap era record 9 straight winning seasons, people wouldn't care.

Is this the Hulk75 of Kubiak?
 
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If Kubiak doesn't turn this team around THIS YEAR, then he needs to move on down the road. One of the reasons why we're in this mess is because all he hires is his cronies. No way in hell should Bush have been our first choice as Defensive Coordinator.
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This is what I've been saying since the hire. If Kubiak would have hired a known commodity for the DC job, then he might have been able to buy another year or two.

Since he took a chance on one of "his" guys again, now all bets are off.

I'm going out on a limb here and reading between the lines. If he brought in a guy with experience, then that guy will want to hire his own coaches instead of Kubiak's good ol' boys.

Live by the sword....
 
Mr. White said:
This is what I've been saying since the hire. If Kubiak would have hired a known commodity for the DC job, then he might have been able to buy another year or two.

Since he took a chance on one of "his" guys again, now all bets are off.

I'm going out on a limb here and reading between the lines. If he brought in a guy with experience, then that guy will want to hire his own coaches instead of Kubiak's good ol' boys.

Live by the sword....
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Isn't Gregg Williams in New Orleans now? Their defense suddenly looks alot stouter than it did before
 
HoustonFrog said:
Isn't Gregg Williams in New Orleans now? Their defense suddenly looks alot stouter than it did before
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Also see Mike Nolan in Denver.....:rolleyes: sigh, all he had to do was improve on defense and he couldn't even bring in a experienced proven commodity. Just like Capers......Loyalty to bums is what's going to kill Kubiak.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Isn't Gregg Williams in New Orleans now? Their defense suddenly looks alot stouter than it did before
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People forget the coaches have a choice as well. There were rumors Green Bay and Houston were courting Gregg Williams. Then I don't believe he even came in for an interview and his hiring was announced in New Orleans. And to prior discussions about money, the Texans interest would seem to indicate they were willing to pay for a high dollar coach and that Williams didn't care and wanted the situation in New Orleans.
 
infantrycak said:
People forget the coaches have a choice as well. There were rumors Green Bay and Houston were courting Gregg Williams. Then I don't believe he even came in for an interview and his hiring was announced in New Orleans. And to prior discussions about money, the Texans interest would seem to indicate they were willing to pay for a high dollar coach and that Williams didn't care and wanted the situation in New Orleans.
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That's great, but shouldn't they have had another backup plan, besides a guy who was a assistant on one of the worst defenses year in and year out the past 3 years?

There's other promising assistants around the league. It gives me the feeling like they never really tried to look elsewhere.
 
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That's great, but shouldn't they have had another backup plan, besides a guy who was a assistant on one of the worst defenses year in and year out the past 3 years?

There's other promising assistants around the league. It gives me the feeling like they never really tried to look elsewhere.
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Well that's the thing about these kinds of discussions - we don't know what they did. We don't know how many teams they asked to interview the DC and were refused by either the team or DC. We don't know how many assistants they talked to. Can you name any assistants who were worthy of promotion?
 
infantrycak said:
People forget the coaches have a choice as well. There were rumors Green Bay and Houston were courting Gregg Williams. Then I don't believe he even came in for an interview and his hiring was announced in New Orleans. And to prior discussions about money, the Texans interest would seem to indicate they were willing to pay for a high dollar coach and that Williams didn't care and wanted the situation in New Orleans.
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That may be true. I was just throwing his name out as a guy who had the name and experience and turned a team that was all offense into a team that has the offense and the defense is playing ball too. I think you make a run. I won't spead all day on "search" but the minute they fired the last one I said it would be Bush...alot of people did. I honestly think they didn't even put in the effort and Bush was the target. Clearly JMO but there didn't seem to be any urgency to it and all of sudden its Bush.
 
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