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The Brawl

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Silver Oak

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Jerome Solomon's article is about Kubiak's Saturday night pregame speech bringing the team together, but I really liked this one part...

Did you see the Texans come together and respond when Titans cornerback Cortland Finnegan acted as if he wanted to tussle on their sideline? A host of Texans — the finesse squad that was manhandled by the Jets in the season opener — jumped into the fray.

To protect the guilty, we won't name any names, but one Texan, not wanting to get ejected for throwing punches, left LP Field with a small chunk of red hair that used to belong to Finnegan. If Finnegan wants it back, he can try to retrieve it at Reliant Stadium in November.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6628666.html
 
Mr. White said:
That's awesome.

I also saw Cushing with a handful of dreadlocks after a Chris Johnson tackle.
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I remember once when Cushing tackled Johnson and then literally picked him up off the ground by his shoulder pads instead of grabbing him by the hand to help him up. I think he was trying to put it in the little speedsters head that he was a lot bigger and stronger than him.
 
Well, I take it Mario didn't throw any punches. I haven't heard anything from the coroner yet. LOL
 
brakos82 said:
Well, I take it Mario didn't throw any punches. I haven't heard anything from the coroner yet. LOL
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I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.
 
infantrycak said:
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.
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I saw Mario jump right it and I saw furry in his eyes. I didn't see him throwing any haymakers though. He looked like he was just pushing people out of the way then starting pulling Titans off of his own men.
 
infantrycak said:
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.
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So did my wife. Mario was trying to swim into the pile, and a fist shot out that I was 85% sure from the angle wasn't his. Just looked like it because his arms had been flying from trying to swim to the middle.
 
infantrycak said:
I have to rewatch it to confirm my first impression but I thought I saw Mario trying to throw a haymaker over the pile and was worried about an ejection.
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I noticed him too. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but the dude was pissed.

I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.

The thing I found funny about the whole brawl was that David Anderson came out of it with the penalty. The wife and I just looked at each other and laughed. The smallest dude on the team! LOL!
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
So did my wife. Mario was trying to swim into the pile, and a fist shot out that I was 85% sure from the angle wasn't his. Just looked like it because his arms had been flying from trying to swim to the middle.
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That sounds real likely. I didn't back it up to re-watch it at the time but there were some huge Mario looking arms going over the pile.

Interesting comment at nfl.com:

I don't think the Titans have to worry about anyone but the Colts right now in the division. Though the Texans won yesterday, I think it's going to get a lot harder for them to win the next few weeks if the NFL does the proper investigation of the incident on the sidelines yesterday. There should be good video proof of Texan players beating Cortland Finnegan's head against a bench during the scuffle, which is why Jason Jones waded into the melee to get Finn out of there. Looked like Mario Williams was in on it. Texans aren't too tough without Mario. Hope NFL sits those involved for a few games.
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I love this new fire the team has shown, we better bring it each and every week now. We were a team possesed and didnt let big brother push us around ANYMORE. YOU HEAR THAT TACKS...........NOT ANYMORE!!!
 
HOU-TEX said:
I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.
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Lindsay said classless fans. I said errr - I'd be cheering....
 
HOU-TEX said:
I noticed him too. I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but the dude was pissed.

I might get flamed for saying this, but towards the end of the brawl Finnegan came out of the pile with his helmet off. I was soo wanting a Texan player to drop him like a sack of rocks. Shut that prick up for a while and have him eat from a straw for a while.

The thing I found funny about the whole brawl was that David Anderson came out of it with the penalty. The wife and I just looked at each other and laughed. The smallest dude on the team! LOL!
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Finnegan is just mad he got owned all day by who ever he was on. JJ and AJ lit him up.

Also, if you suspend Texans for fighting, Finnegan has to also be suspended for wading into our bench and starting the fight.
 
I was just glad to finally see a team that could punch back after getting punched in the junk....... and keep punching.. and keep punching.
 
when do the fines come out? are there any chances we could have anyone suspended? i could give two shits about fighting in a game. it's idiotic. it could have hurt the team.
 
BigBull17 said:
Finnegan is just mad he got owned all day by who ever he was on. JJ and AJ lit him up.

Also, if you suspend Texans for fighting, Finnegan has to also be suspended for wading into our bench and starting the fight.
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I think he was in love with AJ...he did jump on him like he did. The ball was uncatchable because AJ had a no talent fake Irishman on his back....he made it to the pro bowl? what did Petey Faggins turn it down?

Corty is a fraud.
 
If the league is going to start handing out suspensions to the Texans for that I'll be shocked and appalled. The Titans were 100% instigating the whole game. They play about 75% defense and 25% cheap shot tactics. Not that every team doesn't have a guy who'll get a little dirty but it's like a philosophy over there.

OH what am I saying? That if the people fighting get suspended the guy starting it is equally to blame if not completely moreso? Charlie Manson is in jail. Am I even talking about Cortland McHairpiece? NO, I'm talking about JEFF FISHER. The guy coaches dirty play and it's spilling over into extra cirricular violence. Put that cap on where the cap needs to go. CF is just the mindless drone doing his masters' bidding. Going into the lions den huh? Stupid is as stupid does, and judging by his actions, Cortland Finnegan is stupid.
 
I thought it was Jacoby who threw the punch on the sideline? I rewinded it a couple of times and that's what I thought happened. I could be wrong though.
 
barrett said:
when do the fines come out? are there any chances we could have anyone suspended? i could give two shits about fighting in a game. it's idiotic. it could have hurt the team.
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barrett, I really like your draft stuff and your take on game play, but I think you're wrong here. There are teams in this league, and Tenn is one, who cross the line between fair play and into daring a player to defend himself. It's just an extension of the controlled violence between whistles IMO. The NYJ's physically challenged us last week and we didn't respond...this week we did.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, but IMO, when you see someone like Dunta Robinson, who has said just recently that it's just a business...when you see him wade into a fight, w/o a helmet on, and ready to defend his teammates, that speaks volumes to me about what a team and player are truly made of.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're correct, but that fight got my blood pumping as I know it did the Texans will to win even more.

:fans:
 
Mr. White said:
Has anybody seen any evidence of hair pulling yet?
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Heck yeah. On field after CJ was down someone grabbed his dreads and yanked. Not sure about the Leprechaun.

Lindsay shrugged and said 'it's not against the rules.'

I said, errr, it is after the play is over, lol.
 
Looks like Finnegan/Texan(89?) were into extra-curricular exchange into the sideline.

Harper(20) runs into the sideline crowd followed by Jones(91) then Griffin(29).

Vonta grabs Jones who was flagged for a open-hand "reach" that looked like a punch.

Harper is all the way back to the bench wrestling with Dunta Robinson.

Then the D-line wades in, Mario swimming through the crowd with Amobi next to doing a bull move. Mario does a left arm swipe that could be mistaken for a punch -- he was just trying to get up close & personal with a Titan.

Okoye & Ferguson physically eject Finnegan from our sideline, along with Demeco.

Texans #57 & #12 throw unsuccessful "mob" punches from the back.

Kubiak is pissed pointing and screaming "No way, no way...!" at the official.


*enjoyed seeing Amobi show some anger*
 
I thought the camera crew could have done a better job on this incident...especially at the beginning. I saw Bulluck without a helmet and then all hell broke loose.

It's like they were watching it instead of filming it.
 
Mr. White said:
I thought the camera crew could have done a better job on this incident...especially at the beginning. I saw Bulluck without a helmet and then all hell broke loose.

It's like they were watching it instead of filming it.
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Which IMO hopefully means that they didn't get much in the way of definitive proof that anybody in particular was over the line. This needs to go away now. It was nice while it lasted but we'll all be feeling kind of sick inside if we find out that Mario or someone else nearly as important is sitting out a game or something along those lines.
 
Hervoyel said:
Which IMO hopefully means that they didn't get much in the way of definitive proof that anybody in particular was over the line. This needs to go away now. It was nice while it lasted but we'll all be feeling kind of sick inside if we find out that Mario or someone else nearly as important is sitting out a game or something along those lines.
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Best case scenario: Amobi Okoye and Jacoby Jones get multiple game suspensions!

.. Imagine not having to worry about Jones muffing a punt for the next 3 weeks.

... we go from a awful to a mediocre run defense with Okoye out of the lineup!
 
asleep said:
Looks like Finnegan/Texan(89?) were into extra-curricular exchange into the sideline.

Harper(20) runs into the sideline crowd followed by Jones(91) then Griffin(29).

Vonta grabs Jones who was flagged for a open-hand "reach" that looked like a punch.

Harper is all the way back to the bench wrestling with Dunta Robinson.

Then the D-line wades in, Mario swimming through the crowd with Amobi next to doing a bull move. Mario does a left arm swipe that could be mistaken for a punch -- he was just trying to get up close & personal with a Titan.

Okoye & Ferguson physically eject Finnegan from our sideline, along with Demeco.

Texans #57 & #12 throw unsuccessful "mob" punches from the back.

Kubiak is pissed pointing and screaming "No way, no way...!" at the official.


*enjoyed seeing Amobi show some anger*
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That's pretty much what I saw, except Michael Griffin wasn't involved for Tennesse. It was #29, Ryan Mouton.

And David Anderson, Kevin Bentley, and Jacoby Jones were the Texans that were throwing punches at the end.
 
Come on there was nothing wrong with a little bit of fighting in the game, noone did anything like taking off a helmet and swinging it trying to put it through someone's face. Fighting happens in a violent physical game of football, the brawl was handled well on both sides, and some fines might come out but that's just how it goes. I'll be damned if anyone would come out and dis-respect my team or house.

There are fights that are just out of the context of what you want to see, and there are fights where it's just sheer wills against wills and I think this is the latter of the two.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I thought it was Jacoby who threw the punch on the sideline? I rewinded it a couple of times and that's what I thought happened. I could be wrong though.
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I saw him too...I saw the 12 pop up and a punch thrown.

I hope it is only $$ they take from these guys.
 
Silver Oak said:
barrett, I really like your draft stuff and your take on game play, but I think you're wrong here. There are teams in this league, and Tenn is one, who cross the line between fair play and into daring a player to defend himself. It's just an extension of the controlled violence between whistles IMO. The NYJ's physically challenged us last week and we didn't respond...this week we did.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt either, but IMO, when you see someone like Dunta Robinson, who has said just recently that it's just a business...when you see him wade into a fight, w/o a helmet on, and ready to defend his teammates, that speaks volumes to me about what a team and player are truly made of.

Maybe I'm wrong and you're correct, but that fight got my blood pumping as I know it did the Texans will to win even more.

:fans:
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Thanks for the compliment and I respect our difference of opinion. I'm sure the majority would side with you on this subject. Football to me, is an extremely violent game that borders on the edge of chaos. Men are asked to physically exert their will on another man against his own. It's understandable that there will be anger and frustration at times. I think there is very much a place for all the **** talking and chest beating that takes place behind the masks and pads on the field. (Football unlike other sports has the luxury of a helmet to hide some of the less marketable parts of this game.) But at the end of the day they are professional sports athletes. They get paid a ton of money to know when to put the breaks on. They get paid a ton of money to know the difference between controlled chaos and emotion versus rage.

The NFL uses a fine system which I think is great. It generates revenue for the league and punishes/motivates the players where it counts. For the most part they do an incredible job of walking that fine line of knowing the difference between knocking a guys block off and "trying to hurt someone".

You're right that the Titans are a team that straddles that line. It does not reflect positively on them in my opinion. You can say, well it makes them a better football team, but the truth is, their starting DT was kicked out of the stadium. And that to me is HUGE. In the end they lost the game. I'm not suggesting that it's a given that his suspension was the cause but it could be concluded that it was a factor. Suppose it was someone from the Texans that was kicked out? Say, #80 who was involved in the initial confrontation...

I just don't have any respect for someone who thinks punching someone in a game and risking being ejected and hurting their own team is worth the "man points" you earn by doing so. (fwiw I haven't re-watched the fight yet so I don't know if anyone punched anyone yet.)

having said that, i'm all for the Texans being aggressive and sticking up for each other but you as a professional have to know where to draw the line... otherwise you might as well be a basketball thug.
 
I've watched it in slo-mo repeatedly and it's obvious who instigated the brawl. The play was over with Slaton/Bulluck/Griffin and the melee happened right after and to the left of the action. And who was the player coming from that side? Who was the player at the epicenter of the brawl? That punkassbitch Courtland Fined-Again.

That guy is a shitstain. I really despise him and I applaud any Texan player who may have landed a punch across the jaw of the one Tit who most deserves to get cracked. He was all over AJ on that pass interference play and got away with it.
 
I liked the fight because it ( fight ) , Winston , and beating them twice in a row , make them think twice when they line up against the Texans . They play with a chip on their shoulder and when you knock it off and beat them ... they ain't so tough .

If we get players suspended so what , the offense was on the field . The defense should come out with enough ferocity to hold the Jags or the Raiders under 20 no matter who's out there .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzn5d0dBLIU
 
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if u watch the clip you can tell Bennett was watching college football in the last month. Once the fight started he put on his helmet

LOL
 
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MCM said:
Jason Jones says he didn't even throw a punch on the Texans sidelines, despite being the only player ejected in the 30-man fracas on the Texans' bench. Jones earned a lot of props from the grateful fans and players for coming to the defense of Cortland Finnegan after they surrounded him. The league is going to review the tape, and after that we should expect fines and suspensions for Mario Williams and Jacoby Jones at the least. There's even a certain someone who was right there and saw a Texans coach throwing punches...
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infantrycak said:
That sounds real likely. I didn't back it up to re-watch it at the time but there were some huge Mario looking arms going over the pile.

Interesting comment at nfl.com:
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Who is the source of this comment? Just some disgruntled fan rambling or somebody without an ax to grind?
 
b0ng said:
Music City Miracles



What
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So three Titans come over to Houston's bench and start a fight and the only players who should be suspended are Texans? Gotta be a Titan site because that makes no sense. If anyone is going to be suspended it's going to be Jason Jones. He threw a punch and got thrown out of the game for it.
 
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