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We should have the Andy Reid mentality and draft big linemen
Get a real blocking system already. Any good defense always eats our lunch.
It might have worked 10 years ago, but those days are over. The game's evolved.
We always end up getting manhandled by bigger D-Linemen.
Get a real blocking system already. Any good defense always eats our lunch.
It might have worked 10 years ago, but those days are over. The game's evolved.
We always end up getting manhandled by bigger D-Linemen.
Get a real blocking system already. Any good defense always eats our lunch.
It might have worked 10 years ago, but those days are over. The game's evolved.
We always end up getting manhandled by bigger D-Linemen.
Was it me or did Steve Slaton look noticably slow out there? I thought Chris Brown was running well out there. He definitely looked quicker hitting the hole on his three carries.
Was it me or did Steve Slaton look noticably slow out there? I thought Chris Brown was running well out there. He definitely looked quicker hitting the hole on his three carries.
Was it me or did Steve Slaton look noticably slow out there? I thought Chris Brown was running well out there. He definitely looked quicker hitting the hole on his three carries.
I think it's true about us having trouble with large 3-4 linemen. That would explain why we lost to the Raiders last year, then bounced back to beat a 13-1 Titans team that needed a win for homefield advantage for their post-season. Same thing could happen next week.
I like your optimism.
We'll see what these guys are made of come next week. The Titans will be p/o'ed because they lost to the Steelers. And we SHOULD be p/o'ed because their defense came in and manhandled our running game.
I think this one's on Kubiak and Shanahan. I would have pulled Slaton because he was not running with the authority that Brown was. The one time he got stopped, it was because Leach got stoned by Bart Scott and dumped back into Brown's lap.
The very next play is when Slaton got the ball knocked out of his hands.
I do place some blame on Shanahan. What do you do when a 3-4 defense keeps blitzing? You make them pay by throwing screen passes. How many screen passes did we try to throw? Obviously not enough. The one long run that Slaton had was off a screen. Why we didn't keep it up, I have no idea.
he did look a little slower than he was last year, but more so he's having a LOT of trouble reading the blocks. he struggled with it all preseason and today wasnt any better.
The ZBS is a great scheme. The problem is we STILL don't have the RB for this system. Slaton still follows blockers rather than splitting them. I thought maybe he'd figured it out late last season when he started piling up the yards. But he still dances in the backfield looking for the big break rather than taking the guaranteed 3-5 yards by making the one cut. Ahman Green "got it" last year, and Chris Brown "gets it", but those guys haven't stayed healthy. I think it's time to trade the house for an extra first round pick and snag a safety and a RB. (Gawd, am I REALLY already starting the draft talk?!?)
The ZBS is a great scheme. The problem is we STILL don't have the RB for this system. Slaton still follows blockers rather than splitting them. I thought maybe he'd figured it out late last season when he started piling up the yards. But he still dances in the backfield looking for the big break rather than taking the guaranteed 3-5 yards by making the one cut. Ahman Green "got it" last year, and Chris Brown "gets it", but those guys haven't stayed healthy. I think it's time to trade the house for an extra first round pick and snag a safety and a RB. (Gawd, am I REALLY already starting the draft talk?!?)
Some are saying that Brown outplayed Slaton, but I noticed that several of his longest runs were in two TE sets, which I don't think Slaton ever saw. A commentator mentioned they were running better from that formation. I don't know exactly why, to be honest, but maybe that should be part of our answer to the 3-4 right now.
Im sorry but this thread is such a knee jerk reaction to a tough loss. We had a great thing going last season with this scheme, and when we hit a speed bump you want to tear down and rebuild our offensive scheme?
We just need to learn how to adjust our scheme when we play more physical 3-4 defenses. No need to take cover because the sky is falling.
I don't think it's knee jerk at all. A little missplaced, but warranted.
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I think the title should be changed to "The Texans ZBS Blows" because a majority of the NFL run versions of zone every game. Hell, we were gashed a few times by ZBS plays by the Saints and Vikes.
I think there could be an argument made for being outdated or personel involved, but the ZBS works. IMO, Olinemen are quicker now than they used to be, so they don't have to be 290-300 lbs to run the ZBS anymore. Give me 5 325+ Olinemen and I'd be willing to bet they'd have more success than what we have now.
Myers is just horrible. I don't care who he was up against. He should be embarrassed after being pancaked on a constant basis. Brisiel and Pitts were almost as bad. Duane Brown would be the only one that might deserve a positive grade.
I'm not going to pile onto Myers. This is on the coaches! Is anyone on the planet, other than 76..Texan, surprised that Kris Jenkins dominated that matchup. The problem is that this game and matchup has been known since freakin' April and after 5 months of preparation, the offense was totally baffled by the NT and by the blitzing. Wow! Who would have expected Rex Ryan to blitz his LBs and apply pressure up the middle at Schaub?! No wonder we weren't prepared for that.. it's so out of character for Ryan!
geez i didnt think the game evolved so much over the last 8 months that the ZB system which worked pretty well last year is now extinct
Im sorry but this thread is such a knee jerk reaction to a tough loss. We had a great thing going last season with this scheme, and when we hit a speed bump you want to tear down and rebuild our offensive scheme?
We just need to learn how to adjust our scheme when we play more physical 3-4 defenses. No need to take cover because the sky is falling.
Before everyone makes themselves look silly every team in the league has zone-blocking runs in their playbook and even the heaviest slowest offensive lines zone-block atleast a few plays a game.
Which brings up the question. Are we a good team or not? I don't think most of us want to hear the answer. Can we tackle? no. Can we rush the passer? no. Can we cover in man? no. Can we cover in Zone? no.Do you guys really not see a pattern here? If you can't then, tell me how the Kool-Aid tastes this year.
It's not just 3-4 defenses that eat our lunch, it's any good defense. Ask the Vikings.
I think this is true for Manning, Brady, Ben, Romo.... you name it.The scouting report on Schaub is to knock him down early and often. The teams that do that win.
Is it the system or is it the personnel? I think it's both.
NEWSFLASH: This happened last year too. To think the ZBS was effective here last year is revisionist history.
Which brings up the question. Are we a good team or not? I don't think most of us want to hear the answer. Can we tackle? no. Can we rush the passer? no. Can we cover in man? no. Can we cover in Zone? no.
Can we run the ball? no. Can we pass? Yes. Can we run routes? Yes. Can we run block? no. Can we pass block? no.
Then how did we beat Chicago trying to win a Play-off spot last year, or Tennessee looking for home field advantage?
I don't know. But our fundamentals are wacked... We've still got work to do, after 3 years.
I think this is true for Manning, Brady, Ben, Romo.... you name it.
Quite a bit of both actually.
1) If Kubiak would let go of this, "we're a running team" idea, and throw the ball. Design an offense that spreads the field, and attacks deep. That's more or less what we did last year.
2) our personel don't want to learn our "system" or they're being taught some bad habits. My primary beef is the cut blocks. Our guys lay themselves on the ground, throwing themselves at the feet of very athletic LBs, DTs, & DEs... & it's not effective. They've been doing it for two years since I've been paying attention, like they think they'll get better at it. Watch Briesel & Myers, they do it right. Every now & then, Owen Daniels does it right too. Don't lay down in front of a guy, hoping he'll trip over you. Put your pads in his hips. He will not get around that. The second thing is that Pitts, Wintson, Brown & Owen are trying to man up on someone on the DL. They shouldn't be thinking about stopping the DL from getting to the backfield. They should be thinking about moving the DL to the sideline.
Defensively, I have no idea what they're going for, but pass coverage doesn't appear to be part of the equation.
I agree with you that all teams go after the QB, but it comes down to how he handles the pressure and how the coach and team react to this.