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Gibbs has line poised to succeed J USTICE: Line blamed for Carr's mistakes
- Thread starter Wolf
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Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Yep ... RJ is kissing some serious butt these days .
euro-Texan
Rookie
I can't stomach that guys articles after the first three sentences. I just can't, especially when it's about football. Not just Justice either, hell when they started rolling out the "Bud Adams wasn't that bad because he started the AFL" videos, i've pretty much limited my Chron reading to Texan Chick blog posts.
Wolf
100% Texan
yes he is, I usually don't read his stuff
he has dickism quote on another thread about the Texans
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/09/are_you_optimis.html
about makes me gag
Tony Kornheiser, described him as the best baseball beat writer in America. Justice is an alumus of The University of Texas at Austin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Justice
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C'mon 'fess up, you guys are all green with envy about Richie because he's got his own Wikipedia entry aren't you ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Justice
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C'mon 'fess up, you guys are all green with envy about Richie because he's got his own Wikipedia entry aren't you ?
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Carr was and is a fraud, football speaking of course. He is an all-time bust, and unfortunately he was able to charm way to many folks off the field - McNair, Casserly, Capers, Kubiak and the media - to prolong his stay in Houston.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
no truer words have been spoken
carr sucks, his dad sucked, his whole 'faith and family first' BS sucked, and because of that the Texans sucked
no one wanted to admit it but some of us knew he sucked from day one. it wasn't that hard to spot.
no pocket presence
no ability to burn blitzes
no ability to look downfield and feel pressure
no leadership
no accountability
no work ethic
no professionalism
no dedication
the only thing the guy could do is take an asswhoopin' and he was great at that
People still have this animosity towards Carr which for some seems to almost border on hatred ? And many of these same people probably wildly applauded him at first when he beat their ultimate nemisis, the Dallas Cowboys, in the
franchises debut. And I remember several other games where Carr flashed his talent, and he was talented.
Did Carr quit on the team (and thereby the franchise and city in the eyes of many) after getting the crap beat out of him for several years when they
failed to protect him ? You bet he did. If you were an NFL teams QB and into your 4th year on that team the best they could do to protecat your azz was Victor Riley, wouldn't you quit to ?
franchises debut. And I remember several other games where Carr flashed his talent, and he was talented.
Did Carr quit on the team (and thereby the franchise and city in the eyes of many) after getting the crap beat out of him for several years when they
failed to protect him ? You bet he did. If you were an NFL teams QB and into your 4th year on that team the best they could do to protecat your azz was Victor Riley, wouldn't you quit to ?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Hell no I wouldn't. Not for the kind of jack that Carr was getting paid. That's why most QB's are called PROFESSIONALS, because they don't just up and quit.
It's also pretty obvious tha Carr doesn't have talent because he couldn't beat out an over-the-hill Vinny Testaverde in Carolina when Delhomme went down. Dude has the Roethlisberger "Hold onto the ball forever" skillset but none of the creativity and improvisational skills.
hadaad
Rookie
There is no such thing as an over-the-hill Vinny Testaverde. Dude could still start for 25 teams in this league.
No.
He didn't "just up and quit." That's what would come under the heading of a "no mas" quit. He kept playing, kept getting his azz kicked every game.
I doubt that half of you guys ever played a snap in your whole lives, ever got hit once let alone by one of those 300+ lb behemoths that regularly clobbered Carr. Did he loose interest, motivation, etc ? I'm sure he did. Did he look over his shoulder, loose his focus, run outo bounds more often than necessary for fear of the next time he would get busted ? Yep, I remember all of that to.
As far as him beating out Testaverde, he was past saving by the time he got there. His career and potential was long ago wasted by then thanks to his incompetant handlers in Houston.
Now Justice just needs to apologize for being such a VY-loverboy. He's made a habit of being blatantly wrong so many times that I'm amazed he has any credibility, much left a job left.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Actually, as much as I consider David Carr's lack of talent one of the major reasons for the slow start this franchise is going thru, I do find it amusing in a sad sort of way when I see all the personal vitriol directed towards the guy.
And in terms of that talent (or non-talent) - one of the few things (maybe the only thing) I'll give Dickie J. credit for in terms of football, was that he was saying fairly early on that if Carr truly had any ability to QB an NFL football team, it would show itself - even if only occasionally, and only briefly - and it never did.
The argument can be made that Carr entered the NFL without enought talent to succeed on that level , and the argument can be made that the Texans killed whatever talent he may have had (and the two arguments are not necessarily mutually exclusive). I have my own opinion, but there's no definitive answer to that question, which is essentially "nature or nurture". With all that, I absolutely take issue with the comment that he flashed enough talent to prove that he had any appreciable amount of it.
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Goldensilence
hipster elite
While some of them weren't dogs as the media and soem fans made them out to be it wasn't like once they got a decent QB behind them they were all pro.
Look to be honest I am not sure I can go off and say it's all Davie Carr's fault for the poor start to the franchise. I think he playeda big role in it no doubt. The coaching staff, front office, and players were dysfunctional IMO.
Capers and his coaching staff were incompetent at evaluating talent. Casserly, whether by the coaching staff demands or not made some bad moves in FA and monster bad ones in the draft. Some players didn't care and those that did had to fight through a lot of frustration.
We're obviously better off now then 4 years ago under Capers and Casserly. I can't help though but be a bit frustrated about certain things with this current staff. For example: letting Richard Smith stay so long when it's obvious the guy doesn't belong as a coordinator.
All that said I'm wary of starting over with new coach as the offense is fairly predicated on ZBS and we've finally got the personnel to run it. My concern is if we bring in a guy who is an experienced heach coach but, prefers to play a power run game or likes to run a 3-4. We're stuck retooling again.
Look to be honest I am not sure I can go off and say it's all Davie Carr's fault for the poor start to the franchise. I think he playeda big role in it no doubt. The coaching staff, front office, and players were dysfunctional IMO.
Capers and his coaching staff were incompetent at evaluating talent. Casserly, whether by the coaching staff demands or not made some bad moves in FA and monster bad ones in the draft. Some players didn't care and those that did had to fight through a lot of frustration.
We're obviously better off now then 4 years ago under Capers and Casserly. I can't help though but be a bit frustrated about certain things with this current staff. For example: letting Richard Smith stay so long when it's obvious the guy doesn't belong as a coordinator.
All that said I'm wary of starting over with new coach as the offense is fairly predicated on ZBS and we've finally got the personnel to run it. My concern is if we bring in a guy who is an experienced heach coach but, prefers to play a power run game or likes to run a 3-4. We're stuck retooling again.
Goatcheese
Texan
Carr held the ball way too long, but the line was still terrible for the first 4 years. Even with Schaub's pocket presence he would have been sacked 50+ times behind the 2002 line.
Troy Aikman got the crap beat out of him during his rookie season on the way to a 1-15 record. Good players figure out how to rebound from that kind of punishment and persevere. The fact that an excuse like "we broke him" is even used on Carr indicates that he was never a good player to begin with.
Who knows if he could have been a Trent Dilfer-type game manager in the right situation. It's possible, but he's not really shown any signs of improving the past 8 years, so I'm doubtful.
Who knows if he could have been a Trent Dilfer-type game manager in the right situation. It's possible, but he's not really shown any signs of improving the past 8 years, so I'm doubtful.
