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Rex Grossman beat out Dan Orlovsky at backup quarterback (I am still blown away by the Al Davis-like contract -- three years, $9.15-million -- the Texans gave to Orlovsky), which is significant because Matt Schaub has missed five games due to injury in each of the last two years.
actually, that makes for a back up. If he was more consistent he would be a starter somewhere.That contract for Orlovsky looks pretty bad right now... Shoot.
Grossman is an up and down player, sometimes you get a very good QB, and other times you get a high school player. That makes for a risky backup.
Word!I'm glad to see a player get a job based on performance instead of his draft position or the size of his contract.
Call me crazy, but I think Kubes just might be able to help Grossman become a successful starter.
There you go again trying to use common sense and logic... sheesh.Why do we give such big contracts to guys on spec so often? It's like we are bi polar. We either sign a "proven" guy way past his prime or we sign a guy on pure speculation that he can do something here that he couldn't do elsewhere.
Dont forget that we won't resign our own proven talent in order to make a pointWhy do we give such big contracts to guys on spec so often? It's like we are bi polar. We either sign a "proven" guy way past his prime or we sign a guy on pure speculation that he can do something here that he couldn't do elsewhere.
I would rather have an average QB that is consistent, game after game. With backups you just want a guy who can manage the game, someone who can step in for a game or two (or in Schaub's case, 5 or 6) and the offense can still function. Grossman is hit or miss.actually, that makes for a back up. If he was more consistent he would be a starter somewhere.
Exactly. Good Rex like we saw much of the other night is the guy who kept the fans in Chicago thinking that he was almost there but sooner or later Bad Rex would come around and just stink the place up. I think the only question (and it's not much of one really, a thin thread at this point) is whether he's had the coaching he needs. Now that's the same thing we hear about Orlovsky too but with Dan the possibility that he can get better and be coached up is much more likely. Still, maybe Grossman just needed proper coaching to get better. Plummer went to Denver and got better so maybe by the end of the season we're trying to re-sign Grossman and Orlovsky, well I don't know what we do then.actually, that makes for a back up. If he was more consistent he would be a starter somewhere.
The nice thing about having him as a backup is that you can coach him up just enough to show flashes of "good rex" and then trade him while his stock is high. After Kubiak was able to turn FA signing Sage into a 4th rounder, I think he got excited and is ready to do it again with Dano and RexExactly. Good Rex like we saw much of the other night is the guy who kept the fans in Chicago thinking that he was almost there but sooner or later Bad Rex would come around and just stink the place up. I think the only question (and it's not much of one really, a thin thread at this point) is whether he's had the coaching he needs. Now that's the same thing we hear about Orlovsky too but with Dan the possibility that he can get better and be coached up is much more likely. Still, maybe Grossman just needed proper coaching to get better. Plummer went to Denver and got better so maybe by the end of the season we're trying to re-sign Grossman and Orlovsky, well I don't know what we do then.
And there I go falling for a good game from Rex Grossman. That's how it starts and the next thing you know he's been around for a couple of years and you're starting to think "This isn't going to change is it?" You would think after David Carr I'd know better.
Bbbbbbut the politics and the finances...So the contract doesn't determine the depth chart.
I don't think Orlovsky lived up to expectations in the preseason. He looked better in Detroit. He's still a good #3 to develop, even if he's paid too much.That's an awful lot of money for a #3.
Like Rosenfels?Grossman is an up and down player, sometimes you get a very good QB, and other times you get a high school player. That makes for a risky backup.
The team us still on the learning curve. It's going to take more than just improvement in the players to be a contender year after year. The coaches and front office need to figure things out too. If not, the Texans will end up around 8-8 most years with the occasional flash of play-off contention and sucky years mixed in.gtexan02 said:Dont forget that we won't resign our own proven talent in order to make a pointWhy do we give such big contracts to guys on spec so often? It's like we are bi polar. We either sign a "proven" guy way past his prime or we sign a guy on pure speculation that he can do something here that he couldn't do elsewhere.
I would have liked to think that Orlovsky would have been the guy that we could turn over given his measurables and the "Kubiak touch." I am not sure why the Steelers would be interested in our two back ups when they have Batch entrenched, and are playing with Dennis Dixon's versatility.Long term, this move makes sense if we think Grossman is clearly ahead of Orlovsky. This gives us a year to develop Orlovsky as the backup and he can be our #2 the next two years after Grossman departs (which he almost certainly will).
As for Grossman's revelatory performance, let's remember that it came against the deep backups for a team that has a dark-horse shot at the #1 pick in 2010. So before we go proclaiming that Sexy Rexy is back, let's hold it for a minute.
But, before I give in to realism, allow me to posit the best case scenario (right after we pick up Casey Hampton on waivers from the Steelers): Schaub stays healthy, making the backup debate a purely acadmeic exercise. Grossman's film is good enough that a suddenly desperate team decides to throw a draft pick at us to get him, while Orlovsky fixes the bugs in his game. Then, in the offseason, other fallen QBs start banging on Kubes' door to get their careers resurrected like he did for Rex.
That is a beautiful line (and probably true).In other news. Dan Orlovsky is making a voodoo doll of Anthony Hill.
I only made the Casey Hampton comment as a jest about hopeful-case-scenario's by referencing the one-day thread last week where we were all hoping/speculating/theorizing that we might get Hampton given his contract issue in Pittsburgh. Wasn't intending to suggest we could trade Rex for Hampton.I would have liked to think that Orlovsky would have been the guy that we could turn over given his measurables and the "Kubiak touch." I am not sure why the Steelers would be interested in our two back ups when they have Batch entrenched, and are playing with Dennis Dixon's versatility.
It was certainly directional, but as the Bud Light-spots say, "integrity is over rated."I only made the Casey Hampton comment as a jest about hopeful-case-scenario's by referencing the one-day thread last week where we were all hoping/speculating/theorizing that we might get Hampton given his contract issue in Pittsburgh. Wasn't intending to suggest we could trade Rex for Hampton.
As I was typing that last sentence, the opening strains of Mr. Preposterous Trade Proposer started going through my head.
For me it was not 3m dollars, it was Orlovsky getting 3m dollar per year. Outside of that I like your line of thinking.I'm not sure why so many people are fretting over the Orlovsky contract. The NFL salary cap is nearly $130 million, so the average among all 53 players is over $2 million per year. An average salary of $3 million is a little over 2% of the cap.
Given the importance of backup QB -- especially for the Texans -- and the high cost of QBs in general, $3 million per year isn't a huge contract. In fact, I wouldn't have a problem with giving another $3 million a year to Grossman and keeping both of them for multiple years.
That $6 million is a little more than Anthony Weaver is counting against the cap this year, and he's gone! I'd much rather have 3 QBs that I thought I could win with, even if the extra two cost $6 million a year (5% of the salary cap).
In recent years, the backup QB has largely decided the outcome of 5 games per year. How many other $3 - $6 million investments could have that much impact?
The point is that the Orlovsky contract will not handicap this team's ability to sign or re-sign free agents. Therefore, unless you are Bob McNair, why do you care?For me it was not 3m dollars, it was Orlovsky getting 3m dollar per year. Outside of that I like your line of thinking.
The INT was basically the same mistake Dan O made the game before. It wasn't completely Hill's fault. The ball should've never been thrown his way to begin with. Sure, the ball hit Hill's hands, but it was thrown behind him and he was covered very well.That is a beautiful line (and probably true).
In the last game, Orlovsky completed every pass he threw to anyone other than Hill, and lost his job...
Exactly. Money on a good backup QB isn't wasted, it is invested. This is a small investment, and doesn't impact the big investments.The point is that the Orlovsky contract will not handicap this team's ability to sign or re-sign free agents. Therefore, unless you are Bob McNair, why do you care?
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the Grossman decision. Orlovsky tried to rifle a ball into a tight opening in traffic, knowing that the guy he was throwing to was drafted for his blocking ability and not his catching ability. He made a big mistake and hurt the team.The INT was basically the same mistake Dan O made the game before. It wasn't completely Hill's fault. The ball should've never been thrown his way to begin with. Sure, the ball hit Hill's hands, but it was thrown behind him and he was covered very well.
Apparently, making the same mistake two games in a row doesn't sit well with Kubiak and rightfully so.
I get the point, but I am not sure you got the rest of the dialogue you quoted.The point is that the Orlovsky contract will not handicap this team's ability to sign or re-sign free agents.
Think of him like a 3rd round draft pick.That's an awful lot of money for a #3.