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Quit Whining

Texans_bull

Texans_bull

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Everyone needs to quit whining..

Its just preseason. Everybody needs to be positive and BELIEVE in our Texans and coaches.

Lets wait and see how the first regular season game is played. If it looks like the preseason then we can start to panic. But until then lets be positive.:texflag:

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When Mike Bell of all people (A guy who couldn't even make the Texans squad last season) runs all over the Texans in their second pre season game, you better believe there will be some questions being asked especially when it's a team that was awful against the run last season. Like Vinny said, it's a message boards for opinions and discussions, not a Giant Pep Rally.
 
I agree in a sense. One preseason game does not make an entire 16 game season. This is one of those games where it seems way more important than it really is. This past preseason game will be looooooong forgotten here soon. I seriously doubt we look back to the NO game and go, yep.... thats where it all started.

Heck, I bet this board sings a much different tune come a week from today. To which that game will also be buried in memory once the season starts.
 
Monday night will be a good measuring stick. Does the D man up or show up in skirts? Preseason or not, they really need to show us fans, and more importantly, their coach that they have the goods to be on the field. Besides, we should get a little closer to our planned starting lineup.
 
Whining? I think it has to do more with anger and disappointment. We're told every damn off season about how "aggressive" the defense will be, yet we've seen the same f-in defense for 4 years now and excuse it as "vanilla due to preseason". Whatever!

I like Kubiak a lot, but this type of defense for the past few years will get him fired.
 
Texans_bull said:
Everyone needs to quit whining..

Its just preseason. Everybody needs to be positive and BELIEVE in our Texans and coaches.

Lets wait and see how the first regular season game is played. If it looks like the preseason then we can start to panic. But until then lets be positive.:texflag:

:fans:
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It walked like a duck and quacked like a duck but ladies and gentlemen it's a mongoose .
 
I will say this, from watching the game it looked like NO was doing every misdirection back door screen type play they had in their first couple of drives. Going this way... no that way, etc,etc... They may very well be the top offense in the league this year. Its almost like after the snap our players had to look up to see whats going on because they had no clue. On our heels the entire time. We haven't even started game planning yet.

Again, this will all come out in the wash here soon.... I hope anyway. I seriously doubt our defense got worse with our additions and a much more healthy Dunta coming back sooner or later. I am thinking its gonna take some time for it all to come together.
 
I dunno 'bout others, but I'm not the least bit concerned 'bout losing the game, this past weekends game or any other preseason game, even by 24 points. What I think a lot of us are genuinely worried about is the performance of the starting defense for their time in the game, especially the Dlinemen playing inside, and the manner in which they were so dominated by the opposition.
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno 'bout others, but I'm not the least bit concerned 'bout losing the game, this past weekends game or any other preseason game, even by 24 points. What I think a lot of us are genuinely worried about is the performance of the starting defense for their time in the game, especially the Dlinemen playing inside, and the manner in which they were so dominated by the opposition.
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in preseason I don't pay attention to the score, but I do pay attention to individual play and I like to see key players winning their share of their individual battles. It's a glorified scrimmage.
 
Texans_bull said:
Everyone needs to quit whining..

Its just preseason. Everybody needs to be positive and BELIEVE in our Texans and coaches.
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I believe in our Texans. They have demonstrated exactly what they can do on defense, repeatedly. When they start showing they can play good defense consistently, then I'll believe that. See? I'm easy. I believe in whatever they do.
 
After that performance Saturday, I think any criticism is warranted. Not only were we outplayed, but we got pushed around like a bunch of Nancy's. I for one, can't sugar coat that especially under the premise of "it's just preseason". If it were correctable mistakes, that's one thing. Getting pushed around by a team who is not considered one of the more physical teams in the NFL is completely unacceptable.

That said, I will be in the Bull Pen every game, screaming my head off. :fans:
 
Texan_Bill said:
After that performance Saturday, I think any criticism is warranted. Not only were we outplayed, but we got pushed around like a bunch of Nancy's. I for one, can't sugar coat that especially under the premise of "it's just preseason". If it were correctable mistakes, that's one thing. Getting pushed around by a team who is not considered one of the more physical teams in the NFL is completely unacceptable.

That said, I will be in the Bull Pen every game, screaming my head off. :fans:
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Yup, I won't be at every game, but when I'm there I'm all bidness

BTW, you just make sure them beads stay around your neck, okay?
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno 'bout others, but I'm not the least bit concerned 'bout losing the game, this past weekends game or any other preseason game, even by 24 points. What I think a lot of us are genuinely worried about is the performance of the starting defense for their time in the game, especially the Dlinemen playing inside, and the manner in which they were so dominated by the opposition.
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Yep! it was a truly disgusting performance from Okam and especially Okoye. The coaches better figure out they need to get that guy off the field. Otherwise, if he's starting week one, I'm going to have to root for another freakin' twisted ankle or ingrown hair to get him off the field for a month or so... hopefully, then, we can slow down some mediocre running games.
 
Texans_bull said:
Everyone needs to quit whining..

Its just preseason. Everybody needs to be positive and BELIEVE in our Texans and coaches.

Lets wait and see how the first regular season game is played. If it looks like the preseason then we can start to panic. But until then lets be positive.:texflag:

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No Vinny, it's NOT a giant pep rally. This board has got to be the most vexing one in the NFL, imhmfo ! I know everyone here supports the Texans, but damn it, EVERY SINGLE GAME is do, or die. You guys remind me of a bunch of Longhorn fans. Maybe it's being a Houstonian, I don't know. It just seems to me that the Texans are constantly berated and over critized. I know, I know, go back to the Titans board 13 ! Lighten the freak up, it's pre-season.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Yup, I won't be at every game, but when I'm there I'm all bidness

BTW, you just make sure them beads stay around your neck, okay?
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Dude, last year Gma gave me her front row seat. We scored and the net starting going up. My ticket lanyard, beads and crap got hung up in it. I thought I was going to be hung. That would've been one way to get some TV time.
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Texan_Bill said:
Dude, last year Gma gave me her front row seat. We scored and the net starting going up. My ticket lanyard, beads and crap got hung up in it. I thought I was going to be hung. That would've been one way to get some TV time.
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:spit: That would've been the funniest thing I'd ever seen.

I know the young lady was Dr2bKay, but who was the guy on the other side of her?
 
Texan_Bill said:
After that performance Saturday, I think any criticism is warranted. Not only were we outplayed, but we got pushed around like a bunch of Nancy's. I for one, can't sugar coat that especially under the premise of "it's just preseason". If it were correctable mistakes, that's one thing. Getting pushed around by a team who is not considered one of the more physical teams in the NFL is completely unacceptable.

That said, I will be in the Bull Pen every game, screaming my head off. :fans:
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If you show up at the home opener and play like they did , you have issues . Part of the backlash comes with the territory of being a team with playoff expectations . It's time to put up or shutup and I for one don't want to go through anymore shutup .
 
HOU-TEX said:
:spit: That would've been the funniest thing I'd ever seen.

I know the young lady was Dr2bKay, but who was the guy on the other side of her?
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I don't remember because some of us moved around from our regular seats. Eventually I moved down to the first row, but at that point I was in no fear of us scoring or the net. :shades:
 
I think the expectations are high for this team. Playing well against a good offense is required if the playoffs are a realistic goal.
 
YAY!!! Texans rule! It was only preseason. We are going to go 16-0 in the regular season, and win the first of 4 consecutive Super Bowls!

Is that better? :heh:

People here call it like they see it. That's what I like about this place. When we play well we give credit where credit is due, when we play like dogs, we let em have it!
 
False Start said:
People here call it like they see it. That's what I like about this place. When we play well we give credit where credit is due, when we play like dogs, we let em have it!
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problem with that is that many in here were calling "playoffs or bust" before voluntary workouts even began! setting expectations so high, so early in the season can only lead to disappointment.

a knee jerk fan base is never a happy one. :bender:
 
False Start said:
YAY!!! Texans rule! It was only preseason. We are going to go 16-0 in the regular season, and win the first of 4 consecutive Super Bowls!

Is that better? :heh:

People here call it like they see it. That's what I like about this place. When we play well we give credit where credit is due, when we play like dogs, we let em have it!
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I don't expect the board to be a bunch of vapid homers, but imo, this board is overly critical on a consistent basis. That was my point and I'm not ragging any individual. The vibe here can be very cool, but at times.....
 
Silver Oak said:
problem with that is that many in here were calling "playoffs or bust" before voluntary workouts even began! setting expectations so high, so early in the season can only lead to disappointment.

a knee jerk fan base is never a happy one. :bender:
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I'm still calling playoffs or bust. Aside of extraordinary circumstances (Schaub, AJ, and Slaton all getting injured in game 1 etc.) this regime's tenure may hinge on making the playoffs. There are high expectations because this franchise's fan base has been more than patient for a winner.

Livid13 said:
I don't expect the board to be a bunch of vapid homers, but imo, this board is overly critical on a consistent basis. That was my point and I'm not ragging any individual. The vibe here can be very cool, but at times.....
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Agreed. Come here after a win and there's a lot of back-slapping and optimism. Come here after a loss and everyone's suddenly mediocre, just like we've always known! Of course it's only natural, and a good number of posters are relatively constant in their views, but the 'vibe' certainly highly depends on the antecedent game, victory or loss.
 
Livid13 said:
I don't expect the board to be a bunch of vapid homers, but imo, this board is overly critical on a consistent basis. That was my point and I'm not ragging any individual. The vibe here can be very cool, but at times.....
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I agree. It's one thing to call it like you see it, but we tend to see it, call it, blow it up, run it over, put it in reverse, run it over again, and say bad things about its momma.

:deadhorse
 
Livid13 said:
I don't expect the board to be a bunch of vapid homers, but imo, this board is overly critical on a consistent basis. That was my point and I'm not ragging any individual. The vibe here can be very cool, but at times.....
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When our team has had a defense consistantly ranked in the bottom half of the League, why can't fans be consistantly critical of the defense?
 
Texans_bull said:
Everyone needs to quit whining..

Its just preseason. Everybody needs to be positive and BELIEVE in our Texans and coaches.

Lets wait and see how the first regular season game is played. If it looks like the preseason then we can start to panic. But until then lets be positive.:texflag:

:fans:
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I believe in our Texans and will root for them always, but I don't drink the Kool-Aid, I'm more realistic than that.
 
generally thinking Texans have improved & on cusp of doing great things like winning division or making playoffs to see this revamped defense both new players/coaches look same as old players/coaches gives one reason to pause :barman:
 
Silver Oak said:
problem with that is that many in here were calling "playoffs or bust" before voluntary workouts even began! setting expectations so high, so early in the season can only lead to disappointment.

a knee jerk fan base is never a happy one. :bender:
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Well after 3 years with a new head coach that's gone 8-8 for two straight years and with a team that's never even had a winning season I think it's about time to have those expectations. You can't keep saying "well we're an expansion team." At some point you've got to say it's time to be a winner! It's time to be at the top half of the league instead of floating in the middle or being at the bottom and demand that as a fan from management and the coaching staff. We've all been very loyal and patient fans and supported this new franchise. They've got to give us some glory at some point. We have enough talent on this team where that isn't really that unreasonable of a thing to ask especially when there are finally a lot of people around the country picking us to make the post season.
 
Corrosion said:
Havent seen a thread like this since .... Last Preseason. :gun:
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Remember 2007 preseason where somebody started a thread about how Mario hadn't gotten any sacks in the preseason.

Yeah. Also this place is practically a ghost town after a win in comparison to when we lose.

EDIT: also, I can totally see 1st string players who have a solidified position not going balls out in preseason.
 
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Vinny said:
in preseason I don't pay attention to the score, but I do pay attention to individual play and I like to see key players winning their share of their individual battles. It's a glorified scrimmage.
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Yeah, I basically said the same thing before the Saints game.

In a preseason game, I'm not worried about the score. But I am worried about how people are playing. Especially our starters. And our starters, assuming Okam and Okoye are our starters, were getting manhandled in the middle of our defense. Our LB's for the most part were doing their Morlon Greenwood imitations and making tackles 5-7 yards down the field (or just plain overrunning the play) and that's not going to cut it. Our safeties were repeatedly out of position.

I actually felt like Mario, Smith, and Barwin were playing pretty good on the edges although I need to look at that part of the game again.

I'm hoping that Pitts and Myers improve the interior of our o-line and if they do, I won't be so worried about our running game.

But for myself, I've got to look at these preseason games and the performance of our players and use that to set my expectations for the year. I've been saying 9-7 this year but if we play like we did against the Saints, I could be way off on that. And if I'm that far off, then Kubiak should be fired.
 
The team gave up more points than any other team has given up in the pre-season. It is the pre-season, so it isn't the end of the world, but this was an exceptionally poor performance.

Arguably, we would have the same sort amount of whining if it were just another loss - but old habits are hard to break. This board was founded on whining...
 
I feel like I have the right to whine when I see that Green Bay's defense looks like a monsster in their first year under a DOM CAPERS 3-4 and we still look the same.!
 
El Tejano said:
I feel like I have the right to whine when I see that Green Bay's defense looks like a monsster in their first year under a DOM CAPERS 3-4 and we still look the same.!
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How do you think Dom Capers got to be such a horrible head coach? Because he was such a good defensive coordinator. If he hadn't been good at that, he wouldn't have gotten the shots he did at HC.
 
Texan_Bill said:
We weren't running Dom Capers' D, we were running Vic Fangio's D.
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Oh c'mon. Capers was the HC. Do you think he was going to let Fangio run a different type of 3-4 than Capers?

If Capers' 3-4 is a "monster" in Green Bay, that's because he's got the players to make it a monster. It's not rocket science.
 
Marcus said:
Oh c'mon. Capers was the HC. Do you think he was going to let Fangio run a different type of 3-4 than Capers?

If Capers' 3-4 is a "monster" in Green Bay, that's because he's got the players to make it a monster. It's not rocket science.
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Actually, had you been listening to 1560 the other day, they talked about this very thing and that Caper's 3-4 was much more aggressive using his Pittsburgh and Carolina defenses as examples. Fangio's style was much less aggressive which is what we got here.

All in all though, that first year wasn't too bad, but mainly because we had some pretty good players that just didn't have too much tread left.
 
Marcus said:
Oh c'mon. Capers was the HC. Do you think he was going to let Fangio run a different type of 3-4 than Capers?

If Capers' 3-4 is a "monster" in Green Bay, that's because he's got the players to make it a monster. It's not rocket science.
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Texan_Bill said:
Actually, had you been listening to 1560 the other day, they talked about this very thing and that Caper's 3-4 was much more aggressive using his Pittsburgh and Carolina defenses as examples. Fangio's style was much less aggressive which is what we got here.

All in all though, that first year wasn't too bad, but mainly because we had some pretty good players that just didn't have too much tread left.
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Just to add..................

The Texans ran Vic Fangio's 3-4, and inexplicably, rumor has it that Capers did little with the defense and meddled more on the offensive side of the ball, with doubleplus ungood results).
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I wonder if Steph remembers writing that. :thinking:

Here's an old Blog of Steph's: The Houston Texans: Bad Team or Not So Much?
 
Texan_Bill said:
Actually, had you been listening to 1560 the other day, they talked about this very thing and that Caper's 3-4 was much more aggressive using his Pittsburgh and Carolina defenses as examples. Fangio's style was much less aggressive which is what we got here.

All in all though, that first year wasn't too bad, but mainly because we had some pretty good players that just didn't have too much tread left.
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Well, then it's come down to the same age old question that never get's settled. Is it the the scheme, or the players? But I don't want to hijack a "Quit Whining" thread. :heh:
 
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