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New coach, couple new players, same old defense ....
- Thread starter eriadoc
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Goatcheese
Texan
Still can't get over the hump from 'Terrible' to 'Not completely embarrassing'.
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Ckw
Guest
Something tells me we are running a very vanilla defense. I just can't and won't believe the blitz packages we have run are going to be the same ones we run in the regular season. I really don't believe this is the "same old defense".
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Ckw
Guest
Exactly right. We posted at about the same time. Add your post to mine and you have the perfect post on the matter.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Vanilla or not, those guys in the middle are just getting beat.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't even care about the passing plays, there was no excuse for the rushing defense tonight. The Saints aren't even a running team and we allowed them to truck right over us.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
What was their rushing offense like........again I don't give a crap about the passing plays. That's NOT why I'm upset. We have to play against the Titans 2x a year....they are going to hang 250+ rushing yards on us if we go out there and play like we did tonight.
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Okay.....that last play was just embarrassing. That's exactly what I'm talking about. We're getting gashed all night long.
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Jackie Chiles
Veteran
Have any of our DBs laid a finger on the football?
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Ckw
Guest
eriadoc
Texan-American
I don't expect to see any exotic blitz schemes or fancy stunts or unusual coverages. I would like to see the corners up tight to jam at the line and see how they handle it. I'd like to see the line beat their man and stop a run up the middle. I'd like to see players recognizing the situation and covering correctly. The scheme can be adjusted later.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, what happened tonight doesn't have anything to do with trying to hide a scheme, but simply a lack of gap discipline. Not only could I not find our DTs anywhere near a play, but our LBs were missing as well. The worst defensive performance I've seen in a while.....and being a fan of this team, that's saying something.
m5kwatts
Veteran
Yep it was very disappointing I don't take many positives away from this game. I guess coming out healthy is the only thing to show for it tonight.
silvrhand
All Pro
I'm sorry no matter what scheme you run, when the other teams offensive line is moving you back 2-3 years per play you aren't going to be successful. If we are not successful up front we might as well forget it, people will run the ball on us and then throw the deep pass over the top cause we have to start creeping our safeties up.
The front DL is still horrible.
The front DL is still horrible.
V3rm0nt3r
Rookie
nothing that a couple of more first round picks can't fix right? gotta love it when 2 first round DT's in a 3 year span finally pay off.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
I hope the Glover Quin we keep hearing about from practice shows up next week.
silvrhand
All Pro
nothing that a couple of more first round picks can't fix right? gotta love it when 2 first round DT's in a 3 year span finally pay off.
seriously, I can't believe we can't find a good NASTY DT, I want someone who wants to go in there and rip someone's head off every play.
michaelm
vox nihili
Exactly right. We posted at about the same time. Add your post to mine and you have the perfect post on the matter.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
Bullshit.
We may not be breaking out the same defense we would show in some pie in the sky playoff run, but the Saints weren't exactly pulling out the stops because their playoff lives depended on it.
We may have shown a "vanilla" defense, but what, you think the Saints were pulling out all of the stops offensively?
NO.
The Texans got HANDLED running their preseason defense against a team running their preseason offense.
Should my half-full glass convince me that we were only showing a little of what we have to offer, but the Saints were playing hell bent for leather?
NO.
It's a preseason playing field, but it's a level playing field.
We got our asses handed to us, plain and simple.
Totally agree.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yep, that's what happened....
The same excuses that are popping up in this thread are the same excuses that popped up during the horrible preseason of the 2-14 season. Now I'm not saying that's going to happen, but we shouldn't just sweep this lump of crap laid tonight under a rug.....good teams/playoff teams don't get ran on like that.......preseason or not, I dare anybody to show me one that does. One guy had 100 yards rushing agianst our starters in the first half alone, that doesn't just happen, because "it's preseason".
The same excuses that are popping up in this thread are the same excuses that popped up during the horrible preseason of the 2-14 season. Now I'm not saying that's going to happen, but we shouldn't just sweep this lump of crap laid tonight under a rug.....good teams/playoff teams don't get ran on like that.......preseason or not, I dare anybody to show me one that does. One guy had 100 yards rushing agianst our starters in the first half alone, that doesn't just happen, because "it's preseason".
Speaking of 2-14....... I was thinking how this preseason "feels" aweful familiar. Except back then, we were talking about how great Babin was going to be. How much better Antwan Peek was going to be. How solid Kylee Wong was going to be. How Dunta was going to lock down the corner. & CC & Glen were going to figure something out.
That was me. I was just like everyone else, I'm not going to lie.
How different is our situation now? We've got Mario & Demeco...... two solid players. Two true starters.
That's it.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
LOL
It's only a reflection of what we all witnessed tonight.
BTW, did anybody see the post game press conference on tonight's game.....Kubiak looked visibly shaken. He had the same "WTF" look on his face that I'm sure many of us had as well. To put it mildly.......it's not going to be a good week in camp this week. I'm sure Rick Smith didn't appreciate his team giving up the most embarrassing plays of the night, while he was being interviewed either.
Bottom line is there was no excuse for what happened tonight....I don't care if people are injured, nada nada nada. (The Saints were without two OLineman starters) What happened tonight, there's simply no excuse for that and if we don't get it even slightly fixed, expect another slow start out of the gates. This team should be developing a mean streak under this new defensive leadership.....you can't do that when you're allowing another team to truck you left and right.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
You know what? I'm kinda glad this happened, and that it happened in a pre-season game. This is a slap in the face of most of our players, and it'll give the coaches PLENTY of stuff to work with. Hopefully it exposed some obvious problems in our game in time for us to fix some of it. Also, hopefully it'll bring our players back to reality, make them realize that if they for one second lose focus, we'll choke and lose games in an ugly way.
For motivational purposes, this loss came at the perfect time.
For motivational purposes, this loss came at the perfect time.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Honestly.....I freaking hope so.
Although I'm tired of this team needing "wake up calls/slaps in the face". You'd think they've already had enough of those at this point.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Agreed, but it's a young team (player-wise), i attribute their lack of focus to their age really. Does that make it ok? Hell no, but it does explain it, and provides me with that bit of silver lining I crave being a Texans fan
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Agreed, but it's a young team (player-wise), i attribute their lack of focus to their age really. Does that make it ok? Hell no, but it does explain it, and provides me with that bit of silver lining I crave being a Texans fan
Honestly if you want to get right down to it.....I attribute it to leadership. This team lacks it and it pains me to say that, but this team REALLY lacks it.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Slightly off the track, but it was disheartening for lack of a better word, to see Kube's red flag that I thought was ill-advised and could - and as it turned out - would destroy the sequence of events that would have lead to the Saints punting the football.
Disheartening because Kubiak has a history of ill-advised challenges and I wouldn't classify that as a training camp decision, just Kubes. (the final ruling sucked too...lol, tuck my a$$)
Malloy
Hall of Fame
True! I think we have LEADERS on the team, but not alot of LEADERSHIP.
It'll come eventually with experience, but could have been gotten so much faster through FA.
Aaron Glenn still biting our ass :I
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
When I talk about leadership, I'm not talking about the head coach, because I don't believe real leadership should come from the head coach. This team lacks leadership on both sides of the ball as far as the offense and defense goes. Andre is great, but he's quiet....same thing with DeMeco. I'm talking about a person who'll get in somebody's face and lecture them when they screw up....and a player that will do it.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
As I said, slightly off track, but sorry about that CB. I wasn't directly responding to your post to the point that I shouldn't have quoted you. I'm tired, my bad.
Have a good Sunday all.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
As I said, slightly off track, but sorry about that CB. I wasn't directly responding to your post to the point that I shouldn't have quoted you. I'm tired, my bad.
Have a good Sunday all.
No problem Hey, you have a great Sunday as well
pray for me will ya.....I'm still not over this loss.
This team will be a failure by ALL of our standards until we get a real DT. You need that guy who can wreak havoc on the center of the offense. Pressure from the sides doesn't bother QBs in this league near as much as pressure in their face and when running the ball, if the center of the line collapses on every play its a lot harder to set up a game plan. GET A DAMN DT. I've said that for years. At this point I would even overpay for an above average one.
Mike
Mike
Porky
Hall of Fame
Hell, they have drafted 534 DT's in the first round already. What else you want? Oh you want someone decent? Well why didn't you say so before?
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Yeah, DT position kind of sucked a big one last night. And next week they get to defend Adrian Peterson. That ought to be fun to watch. LOL
Maybe Cushing will help when he gets in. Maybe Okam steps up. Maybe this maybe that, but I'm still kind of concerned. We won't really know until the Jets game what's really up with this defense anyway. And in week two the Titans on the road. I'm predicting a 1-1 start to the season based on what I've seen so far. I think we beat the Jets and lose to the Titans to continue our road woes.
I have to agree with some of the posts here, that until we get a true NT on that D line, we are going to have problems.
Maybe Cushing will help when he gets in. Maybe Okam steps up. Maybe this maybe that, but I'm still kind of concerned. We won't really know until the Jets game what's really up with this defense anyway. And in week two the Titans on the road. I'm predicting a 1-1 start to the season based on what I've seen so far. I think we beat the Jets and lose to the Titans to continue our road woes.
I have to agree with some of the posts here, that until we get a true NT on that D line, we are going to have problems.
Agreed. I've been thinking the same thing, put the player out there who gives the most effort and gets the results and quit worrying about where they were drafted or how much money they make. DelJuan has proved that he plays hard and gets results.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
My take with a focus on defense as I am worried about the fixability this season of what's going on:
Saints 38, Texans 14; The Jonas Brothers keep it in perspective
In part:
I don't see how they fix this.
Saints 38, Texans 14; The Jonas Brothers keep it in perspective
In part:
I don't see how they fix this.
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Is anyone actually surprised? They hired their coordinator from within, that tells you all you need to know. Kubiak obviously has no friends that are decent defensive coaches and we all know Kubiak only hires his friends....
Until we get some real defensive coaches here and not Denver retreads and castoffs we will never be relevant.
I am truly worried about this year after that performance last night. Couldn't stop anything. embarassing.
Until we get some real defensive coaches here and not Denver retreads and castoffs we will never be relevant.
I am truly worried about this year after that performance last night. Couldn't stop anything. embarassing.
Jackie Chiles
Veteran
I would settle for totally average. Just some DT who can hold his ground in the run game. Don't care what he brings to the table as far as pass rush because I like what I have seen from Barwin. If that guy can play with a lead and we stop the run he could really light up some QBs with Mario.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I was at Reliant for the game but I just rewatched the starters on DVR. The main problem was the DT play. Okam was the starter at NT for this game alongside Amobi. Okoye just got blown off the LOS too many times, Okam didn't get manhandled but he made poor decisions that allowed the Saints to take advantage with cutbacks.
Okam's problem can be fixed with playing time and coaching. I'm afraid Okoye's needs to be fixed in the weight room, although Kollar can help by continuing to coach him on using his hands and getting his pads under the guard. We're probably gonna see Okam and Deljuan on running downs this season if Okoye keeps getting blown off the LOS, it certainly doesn't help Okoye's case for being drafted # 10 overall.
A secondary problem (literally) is that our secondary, mainly Fred Bennett, were trying to arm tackle way too much. This problem should be rectified when Dunta and Reeves return to the lineup but that doesn't solve the main problem which is that we're still pretty soft up the middle as long as Okoye is starting.
All in all, after watching the film i'm not as concerned as I was at the game. The corner's arm tackling will not be a big deal when Dunta and Reeves are back in the fold. Okam can be coached up, but Amobi is best used as a pass rushing DT at this stage of his career. We'd be best served going with Deljuan and Okam as the starting DTs for the season but I doubt we'll do that because of Amobi's paygrade.
Okam's problem can be fixed with playing time and coaching. I'm afraid Okoye's needs to be fixed in the weight room, although Kollar can help by continuing to coach him on using his hands and getting his pads under the guard. We're probably gonna see Okam and Deljuan on running downs this season if Okoye keeps getting blown off the LOS, it certainly doesn't help Okoye's case for being drafted # 10 overall.
A secondary problem (literally) is that our secondary, mainly Fred Bennett, were trying to arm tackle way too much. This problem should be rectified when Dunta and Reeves return to the lineup but that doesn't solve the main problem which is that we're still pretty soft up the middle as long as Okoye is starting.
All in all, after watching the film i'm not as concerned as I was at the game. The corner's arm tackling will not be a big deal when Dunta and Reeves are back in the fold. Okam can be coached up, but Amobi is best used as a pass rushing DT at this stage of his career. We'd be best served going with Deljuan and Okam as the starting DTs for the season but I doubt we'll do that because of Amobi's paygrade.