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Texans showing some interest in Boulware

I am not going to believe it til I see it.

I am too used to FAs using us as leverage to get the money they want from the team they really wanna be on.
 
It is also reported that Boulware really wants to play for the Colts due to them being a super bowl contender at this time.
 
If we were to get him, it would definately be an undisputed upgrade. It would also be at least 5 sacks added to the total IMO. Coming off of an injury year, he'll be the right price.
 
Tailgate said:
It is also reported that Boulware really wants to play for the Colts due to them being a super bowl contender at this time.
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Looks at the Colts cap situation... :heh: :highfive:
 
Texan Dave said:
If we were to get him, it would definately be an undisputed upgrade. It would also be at least 5 sacks added to the total IMO. Coming off of an injury year, he'll be the right price.
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I'm not at all convinced that would be true either for this year or the future. Boulware is 31 now. Baltimore runs their 3-4 somewhat differently and I don't think he has been asked to drop into coverage near as much as we expect our LB's to drop. In addition, if you put him in as the starter you might as well wad up the 3rd round pick used on Peek and chuck it--his time to show he has it or does not is now.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not at all convinced that would be true either for this year or the future. Boulware is 31 now. Baltimore runs their 3-4 somewhat differently and I don't think he has been asked to drop into coverage near as much as we expect our LB's to drop. In addition, if you put him in as the starter you might as well wad up the 3rd round pick used on Peek and chuck it--his time to show he has it or does not is now.
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Honestly, I think the Texans have unwadded that pick already. They have turned to unproven talent at every position when given the opportunity and Peek really is the only guy that they have "waited on" to develop.

I have no issue with them getting Boulware as long it is some incentive ladden prove you are healthy and as somewhat close to your reputation offer. Overall, of the guys that the Texans have had any interest in for that spot, he is the only one with a history of playing in any type of 3-4 and has proven that, IF HEALTHY, he can sack the QB.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not at all convinced that would be true either for this year or the future. Boulware is 31 now. Baltimore runs their 3-4 somewhat differently and I don't think he has been asked to drop into coverage near as much as we expect our LB's to drop. In addition, if you put him in as the starter you might as well wad up the 3rd round pick used on Peek and chuck it--his time to show he has it or does not is now.
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I don't disagree with some of that, but who do we have behind Peek? Our LB depth is pathetic. I guess my question is would PB sign under the terms that he would not be handed the starting assignment, and would compete with Peek in camp, with the loser coming off the bench? Why shouldn't Peek have to earn his spot?
 
I think though, that even Boulware understands he probably isn't going to be a starter at this point in his career, but then again you never know.
 
Porky said:
I don't disagree with some of that, but who do we have behind Peek? Our LB depth is pathetic. I guess my question is would PB sign under the terms that he would not be handed the starting assignment, and would compete with Peek in camp, with the loser coming off the bench? Why shouldn't Peek have to earn his spot?
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Don't get me wrong folks. I wouldn't mind Boulware coming to the Texans. My post was in response to someone saying he would be an immediate substantial upgrade. I don't think that is true, but of course Peek or anyone should have to earn their starting job. My bet is if he came here it would be for a depth/situational player, not as an obvious starter.
 
Boulware has yet to play a single snap from his Dec. 21, 2003 injury (and the following surgery) - he carries a certain amount of risk. I can't see bringing him in other than a situational guy you may hope can give you starter quality play.
 
Well, if he understands his role (ie competes for a starter spot, but more likely the first guy off the bench) AND the price is right, I think he would be a substantial upgrade. An upgrade from a depth position that is. Of course, he is a risk as Vinny says, due to injury concerns and age. But, I don't like our OLB depth right now. If Peek underperforms, or if Babin or Peek have a long term injury, we are in deep doodoo.
 
I have to disagree here. I think you have to remember an established athlete's EGO and him just saying i'm taking a backseat like that I can't see. If he was ok with taking a reduced role he would have stayed with the RAVENS.

As far as signing with us i'm AGAINST it. We have no DEPTH? We have 17 LB's on our roster. There better be some DEPTH somewhere in there or we been wasting money.

I think if we have made the decision to go with youth let's not go against that now by signing a 31 yr old LB. If we sign him we might has well have kept foreman and sharper and glenn.
 
In reguards to his age (which is similar to Sharpers), do you think he would get more than Sharper got in Seattle?
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I have to disagree here. I think you have to remember an established athlete's EGO and him just saying i'm taking a backseat like that I can't see. If he was ok with taking a reduced role he would have stayed with the RAVENS.

As far as signing with us i'm AGAINST it. We have no DEPTH? We have 17 LB's on our roster. There better be some DEPTH somewhere in there or we been wasting money.

I think if we have made the decision to go with youth let's not go against that now by signing a 31 yr old LB. If we sign him we might has well have kept foreman and sharper and glenn.
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I don't care if we have 3143 LB's on our roster if they can't play. Maybe I should have stated QUALITY depth, since that seemed to go over your head. As for his ego, all athletes have an ego. They all want to start. They should. Would you rather have a LB come in with the idea that he will warm the bench, and bring water out to the guys during timeouts? I hope he comes in here (if he signs) with the idea that he will start. That will push Peek, and no matter who wins, the team is the better for it. :dangit:
 
Not a chance he get's sharper money. He hasn't played in forever due to injuries it seems like. I dont think anyone is going to pay him what sharper got. We didnt release sharper b/c of injuries or inability to play. We did b/c his cap # was huge and we were going with youth.
 
I think the question regarding Boulware is the status of his knee injury. If it's ready to go, then Boulware is an upgrade over Peek. He averaged nearly 10 sacks a game from '97-'03 & plays the run much better than Peek. There's really no comparision, one guy has done it, one guy hasn't. If the knee is not ready to go full tilt, don't bring Boulware in. Peek or bust.

As Texan fans, we tend to overvalue the players on our roster. Nowhere else will you see fans consider a healthy Peter Boulware having to compete for a job against a Peek type player. Of course if Boulware's knee is healthy, he'll want to get paid accordingly. Other teams will be interested & he won't come cheap. My guess would be that Boulware will get a better offer from Cleveland (they need good pub) or Seattle.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
As far as signing with us i'm AGAINST it. We have no DEPTH? We have 17 LB's on our roster. There better be some DEPTH somewhere in there or we been wasting money.
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Adding a guy like Boulware is an upgrade in depth. Guys like Peek, Babin, Greenwood, and Wong are locks. Players like Evans, Moreno, Chamberlin, Monk, Quincy, Acholonu, Cheatwood, Polk, Orr, Moretti, Anderson, Pettway, Dunn, Harrison are fighting for special teams spots mainly. The roster is bloated because there are a lot of players looking for a few open roster spots on every team.
 
Boulware is definately an upgrade over Peek, but i would rather have Peek start, bring Boulware in on passing situations as an extra DE or something, I really wanna see what Peek can do over the course of a season and Boulware probably has only 2 good years left tops.

I just dont see him coming here.
 
jacquescas said:
I just dont see him coming here.
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Well I didn't see us going after Pace, getting Buchanan, releasing Glenn and Sharper, or drafting T. Johnson. I had to redo my entire madden franchise. :mad:
 
ya but we have been adding youth to our team, other than he Pace shot, and he is still young for the position. Boulware is over 30 coming off an injury and has been away for a year. He would be better served going to the Colts where he would get more playing time. Peek and Babin wont let him see the field.
 
from the Len P most recent Tip sheet on espn.com

Nothing is imminent, but judging from the volume of initial inquiries concerning Peter Boulware fielded by agent Roosevelt Barnes in the wake of the linebacker's release by the Baltimore Ravens Wednesday, the eight-year veteran won't spend too much time in the unemployment line. Unless, that is, his contract demands are so lofty they scare off some suitors. As of Thursday evening, Barnes had heard from eight teams. The clubs were mostly performing their preliminary due diligence – "kicking the tires," so to speak – and attempting to ascertain the state of Boulware's health after he spent the entire 2004 season on the physically unable to perform list with knee and toe injuries. Barnes was trying to separate the contenders truly interested in his client from the pretenders. Word is that Boulware, a four-time Pro Bowl pick, rejected an offer from the Ravens that would have reduced his scheduled base salary of $6 million for 2005 to $2 million, with the ability to recoup an additional $2 million in incentives. Translation: It's going to take more than a minimum salary deal to attract Boulware, who as recently as 2003 played in the Pro Bowl. Barnes declined to get into a discussion of finances with ESPN.com, but did insist that Boulware is all but recovered from injuries that have kept him off the field since the penultimate game of the '03 campaign. "From what Pete tells me," Barnes said, "he feels confident he could play an entire game right now. Certainly, once he gets into a team's training program and into camp, he'll only get even stronger." Barnes said that Boulware is not looking just for an opportunity to be a situational pass-rusher but wants to start if possible and that he would even consider playing defensive end. Among the teams demonstrating varying degrees of curiosity: Washington, Seattle, Cleveland, San Francisco, Chicago and Houston. The franchise that Boulware privately hopes will call him is Indianapolis. He feels the Colts are a Super Bowl contender, admires coach Tony Dungy and envisions himself teaming with Dwight Freeney to provide the club a formidable outside pass rush. Problem is, Indianapolis already has an upfield presence opposite Freeney in third-year veteran Robert Mathis, who collected 10½ sacks in '04 on the left side. After flirting with the idea of moving Mathis to linebacker, Colts coaches have decided to keep him at end. Expect Boulware to strongly consider Seattle, where his younger brother, Michael Boulware, is the Seahawks' starting strong safety. But the Seahawks might have to ante up more than the $2.5 million (which includes a $1.5 million signing bonus) they recently awarded free agent Jamie Sharper, another former Baltimore linebacker, on a five-year deal. Sharper is a guy who makes tackles. Boulware, if healthy, is a guy who makes game-altering plays.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Word is that Boulware, a four-time Pro Bowl pick, rejected an offer from the Ravens that would have reduced his scheduled base salary of $6 million for 2005 to $2 million, with the ability to recoup an additional $2 million in incentives. Translation: It's going to take more than a minimum salary deal to attract Boulware, who as recently as 2003 played in the Pro Bowl.
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We probably have the cash to make a serious run at this guy.

If we keep taking players from the Ravens, maybe we could eventually get Ray-Ray. :pigfly:
 
Reading between all those lines, it looks like he feels he can still play at or near 100%. As stated by others above, if he is healthy, he is a heck of a player.
 
As Texan fans, we tend to overvalue the players on our roster. Nowhere else will you see fans consider a healthy Peter Boulware having to compete for a job against a Peek type player.
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I have to agree 100 percent with this. Peter Boulware is a four-time pro bowler and I don't care how old he is. Just because he is already 31 doesn't mean he can't play. This team needs some veteran starters, having a team of all young players isn't always an advantage.
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
I hope this dont happen. PEEK DESERVE THIS START.
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What he deserves, is to get paid the contract the team signed him to, regardless of how much or how little he plays. Also, he deserves the opportunity to compete for the job and start if he proves to be the best option the team has at the given position.

I wouldn't worry about the Texans signing Boulware with a promise that the job is his. Capers believes in competition and I think this offseason has proven that they don't plan to rely on 30+ year old veterans when they have young talent waiting in the wings.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not at all convinced that would be true either for this year or the future. Boulware is 31 now. Baltimore runs their 3-4 somewhat differently and I don't think he has been asked to drop into coverage near as much as we expect our LB's to drop. In addition, if you put him in as the starter you might as well wad up the 3rd round pick used on Peek and chuck it--his time to show he has it or does not is now.
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Even as a back up he would be an upgrade, when you have Boulware pass rushing, you will get sacks. Peek can't play every down, not in the pass happy AFC, unless he's in some kind of superhuman shape.
 
If we get Peter Boulware I think that he will definately be starting. Peter is a better player than Peek and in a few years or so when Peter retires Peek can have his chance if we get boulware. It is a joke that we would sign a pro bowler so he could sit on the bench and back up Peek.

If we got Boulware our starting four linebackers would look like this:

Jason Babin Morlon Greenwood Kailee Wong Peter Boulware
Charlie Anderson Zeke Moreno DaShon Polk Antwan Peek

I think if we got Boulware it would instantly make an impact on the defensive side of the ball. In our front seven we don't really have a play-maker and we could really use one.
 
Not more than a few days ago LOTS of folks were lamenting that Peek needed to have his chance, because he was "A playmaker" "A real difference maker" and now I see some of the same folks jumping on the Boulware wagon. As depth, Boulware make sense, but to have someone that age come in to replace one of the young hotdogs will only delay his HOPED FOR development. IMO, everyone needs to quit hopping around like Mexican Jumping Beans for each new thing.
 
I'm don't think we have a pressing need to have a veteran starter at LB. What is Wong???? No he's not a boulware but if we made a decision to get rid of sharper why bring in boulware?

As far as helping with our DEPTH we don't know what these other players can do and they won't see the field with a player like boulware around. We need to give them the chance to prove themselves for 3-4 years down the road. Newsflash we aren't competing for a superbowl this year.

Give those OTHER players a chance that way down the road we've established something rather than just bringing in a TEMP fix who won't be around when we are ready for a superbowl run in 2-3 years.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
Newsflash we aren't competing for a superbowl this year.
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Really? Well you need to call Carr, Johnson, Davis, and D-Rob because they plan on winning now. :dangit:
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
Yup... WORD! How many times can you railroad Peek and not lose him. How many times can you pass over a guy before he finaly gets angry. Capers started Clemons over Peek, Wong over Peek and now Boulware over Peek. Not gonna work, he will be the next Steve Foley/Jeff Posey if we are not careful.
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the only good year Posey had was with the Texans. Foley was a surprise to even the Chargers having a good year for the first time in a four or five year stint in the NFL.

Peek is not starting because of Peek. The team has given young unproven players jobs sometimes at the cost of dumbing down the systems. If Peek were that good, he would have the job secure already. He has made two or three plays good plays, jumped around a bit and made an equal amount or more of penalities and/or stupid plays.

I hope that he does well a starter and proves me wrong, but the only thing I have seen in Peek is a fast player who gets excited. He has shown me nothing that says he is actually a good football player.
 
I say bring Boulware in for a visit evaluate his health and see what kind of contract he's looking for. He is a playmaker and if healthy would elevate our defensive intensity and pass rush.
 
Bottle-O-Bud said:
Yup... WORD! How many times can you railroad Peek and not lose him. How many times can you pass over a guy before he finaly gets angry. Capers started Clemons over Peek, Wong over Peek and now Boulware over Peek. Not gonna work, he will be the next Steve Foley/Jeff Posey if we are not careful.
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As long as we want to.... we are paying his salary.
 
edo783 said:
Not more than a few days ago LOTS of folks were lamenting that Peek needed to have his chance, because he was "A playmaker" "A real difference maker" and now I see some of the same folks jumping on the Boulware wagon. As depth, Boulware make sense, but to have someone that age come in to replace one of the young hotdogs will only delay his HOPED FOR development. IMO, everyone needs to quit hopping around like Mexican Jumping Beans for each new thing.
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too funny!.. It is weird how when Sharper and Glenn were here ..losing a step came into question about when we released them... (salary too)..yet with PB..we are more than happy (well I am too) to see if we could get a player at 31 coming off toe and knee injuries..

I am all for PB coming to compete for a spot, I just find it funny how point of views change on players.

I also wonder if Baltimore fans are saying about PB what we said about Glenn/sharper..losing a step.
 
Wolf said:
I also wonder if Baltimore fans are saying about PB what we said about Glenn/sharper..losing a step.
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Well.... considering they havent seen him play since 2003 I doubt it.
 
Texans | Harrison Released - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 13 May 2005 15:28:17 -0700

The Associated Press reports the Houston Texans have released LB Tyreo Harrison. He was signed by the team January 19.

With Harrison released, that leaves a roster spot open...I bet we're about to make a big run at Boulware...

:heh: How's that for overreacting?
 
I don't know about picking him up, his production has been slipping the last couple of years and picking him up will stunt the development of our younger players.
 
where would PB play if he was a starter??? do u really think the texans are willing to replace wong, much less, greenwood, who was signed to a bg deal???
 
Wong and Greenwood are both going to be ILBs, Boulware is an OLB...If we were to sign him, he'd most likely take the ROLB job away from Peek...
 
D-ReK said:
Wong and Greenwood are both going to be ILBs, Boulware is an OLB...If we were to sign him, he'd most likely take the ROLB job away from Peek...
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If you look at Capers history he likes to have a lot of really good LB that he platoons and brings at the quaterback from all angles. The addtion of another LB is a good thing. Look this will be the first year that most of you have seen Capers system. He will be bringing the LB in blitz from all angles. You need extra LB when you do this they can get tired fast.
 
The Redskins signed Warrick Holdman, the Bears are meeting with Anthony Simmons, and the Packers stated that Boulware is unlikely to go to Green Bay so there is three teams I definately don't see getting him.
 
Lucky said:
If it's ready to go, then Boulware is an upgrade over Peek. He averaged nearly 10 sacks a game from '97-'03 & plays the run much better than Peek.
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Bring him on! If he's even half the player he was before getting injured then that's what? 80 sacks he's going to get us? ;)

We are going to the Super Bowl people, plan on it!
 
Originally Posted by Lucky
If it's ready to go, then Boulware is an upgrade over Peek. He averaged nearly 10 sacks a game from '97-'03 & plays the run much better than Peek.
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That was a little too optimistic. :slap: At least I know someone reads my posts. :)
 
Easy guys, I'm sure he meant 10 sacks a season. Derrick Thomas has been dead for quite some time now, I wonder if he would have been considered more successfull that L.T. had he played longer??
 
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