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Signings - When do we start to worry?

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Spike

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I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?
 
Last season 4 of the rookies weren't signed until the week of camp.

They have the entire season to work out a deal with OD and D-Ryans if they choose to do so.

7/25/2008 Signed first-round draft pick LT Duane Brown.
7/22/2008 Signed third-round draft picks CB Antwaun Molden and RB Steve Slaton and fifth-round draft pick DT Frank Okam. Released FB Jon Abbate, DT Eric Powell, G/T Charles Spencer and G Dan Stevenson.
7/16/2008 Signed fourth-round draft pick LB Xavier Adibi.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/team/2008Transactions.asp
 
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I'd say - for OD and 59, no need to worry until after the first regular season game. Those often go right down to the wire - as Eric Winston's deal did. I think he signed the night before the season opener or the day of.

For the rookies, I see no reason to worry at all at this point. Cushing's deal will probably go right down to the first day of camp, just like Duane Brown and Amobi Okoye. The other rookies will probably sign any time now, with Barwin coming in the final week before camp starts.
 
Spike said:
I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?
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I prefer we do not see any movement on DR other than him coming in and showing that he is closer to 100%. I am glad he did not sign the new contract offer as this gives team more flexibility and as a popular fan favorite he will get paid very, very well this season.
 
badboy said:
I prefer we do not see any movement on DR other than him coming in and showing that he is closer to 100%. I am glad he did not sign the new contract offer as this gives team more flexibility and as a popular fan favorite he will get paid very, very well this season.
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I believe he has until midnight tonight.

I have a feeling that is completely baseless that something's going to get done.
 
SuperRY said:
Negative - They had until 4:00pm EST to get a deal done. Didn't happen.
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I just saw that in the Dunta thread. Also saw Kaiser Toro's post indicating that we may have until July 22nd? Let's see what comes from that possible scenario.
 
Spike said:
I have been holding off asking the question, but camp is right around the corner and I haven't seen any updates regarding contract negotiations with OD, Ryans, Dunta or the majority of the rookies.

My hope was that we would get OD and Ryans contracts tied up, as well as all rookies, before the start of camp. If this is the goal - it seems like we have a lot to get done in a short amount of time.

When do we start to worry?
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I started worrying about 2 months ago. On top of your list, here are some more FAs after 2009:

Kevin Walter
Chester Pitts
Rashod Butler
Tim Bulman
Travis Johnson
Mike Briesel
Matt Turk
Nick Ferguson
Deljuan Robinson
 
dalemurphy said:
I started worrying about 2 months ago. On top of your list, here are some more FAs after 2009:

Kevin Walter
Chester Pitts
Rashod Butler
Tim Bulman
Travis Johnson
Mike Briesel
Matt Turk
Nick Ferguson
Deljuan Robinson
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Two top people on the list are the only ones that NEED to be resigned. I'd like to see Pitts retire as a Texan. Walter should be an interesting contract.

I think Bulter is right behind as an important swing tackle.

TJ could be fighting for a roster spot in TC. I like Bluman's and Robinson's motors. I think they can be fairly easy to resign.

Turk eh. He's been solid but far from spectacular as a punter. Nick Ferguson same story different position.

Brisiel...mixed feelings I think he's solid but IMO Caldwell after this season will be pushing for his or Myer's spot.
 
NitroHonda said:
I just saw that in the Dunta thread. Also saw Kaiser Toro's post indicating that we may have until July 22nd? Let's see what comes from that possible scenario.
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It was apparently today at 4:00 pm, but I still cannot find that on the NFL Calendar. I made an assumption based on the data that was afforded by the source. I was wrong. However, the other article discussing a potential loophole in this date was interesting.:lion:
 
Kaiser Toro said:
It was apparently today at 4:00 pm, but I still cannot find that on the NFL Calendar. I made an assumption based on the data that was afforded by the source. I was wrong. However, the other article discussing a potential loophole in this date was interesting.:lion:
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I absolutely understood your post to mean exactly what you described here. Like I said, let's see what becomes of that possibility. Both of these guys (Dunta's agent and Rick Smith) know what they're doing. They don't miss much. Especially Smith.
 
Well, now that the Dunta deadline has come and gone, I hope the Texan front office can turn its attention to the rookies and get them under contract before TC. We don't need anymore distractions!

I usually like to go to this link http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10264 to find out how the signings are going throughout the NFL. What bothers me, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, is when I see someone like Casey not signed and multiple players before and after him are signed.

148 San Diego Brandon Hughes - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
149 Ravens Davon Drew - TE 3 year $1.185 million contract, $139,250 signing bonus
150 Minnesota Jasper Brinkley - LB Undisclosed contract
151 NY Giants Rhett Bomar - QB 4 year $1.75 million contract, $185,183 signing bonus
152 Houston James Casey - TE
153 Philadelphia Cornelius Ingram - TE 4 year $1.75 million contract, $183,000 signing bonus
154 Chicago Marcus Freeman - LB 4 year undisclosed contract
155 Tampa Bay Xavier Fulton - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $181,000 signing bonus
156 Atlanta Garrett Reynolds - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $180,000 signing bonus
157 Philadelphia Victor Harris - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
158 Washington Cody Glenn - RB Undisclosed multi-year contract
159 Philadelphia Fenuki Tupou - OT 4 year undisclosed contract

His contract should be "cut and dry" based on what the player before and after him are making. So why hasn't he signed? Is it some little detail in the contract? Is his agent getting greedy and trying to get a bigger signing bonus than the players picked above him? Maybe I'm just overreacting, but the sooner we get these rookies signed the better I will feel. Just a little over 2 weeks left before TC. :)
 
Insideop said:
Well, now that the Dunta deadline has come and gone, I hope the Texan front office can turn its attention to the rookies and get them under contract before TC. We don't need anymore distractions!

I usually like to go to this link http://walterfootball.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10264 to find out how the signings are going throughout the NFL. What bothers me, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, is when I see someone like Casey not signed and multiple players before and after him are signed.

148 San Diego Brandon Hughes - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
149 Ravens Davon Drew - TE 3 year $1.185 million contract, $139,250 signing bonus
150 Minnesota Jasper Brinkley - LB Undisclosed contract
151 NY Giants Rhett Bomar - QB 4 year $1.75 million contract, $185,183 signing bonus
152 Houston James Casey - TE
153 Philadelphia Cornelius Ingram - TE 4 year $1.75 million contract, $183,000 signing bonus
154 Chicago Marcus Freeman - LB 4 year undisclosed contract
155 Tampa Bay Xavier Fulton - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $181,000 signing bonus
156 Atlanta Garrett Reynolds - OT 4 year $1.75 million contract, $180,000 signing bonus
157 Philadelphia Victor Harris - CB 4 year undisclosed contract
158 Washington Cody Glenn - RB Undisclosed multi-year contract
159 Philadelphia Fenuki Tupou - OT 4 year undisclosed contract

His contract should be "cut and dry" based on what the player before and after him are making. So why hasn't he signed? Is it some little detail in the contract? Is his agent getting greedy and trying to get a bigger signing bonus than the players picked above him? Maybe I'm just overreacting, but the sooner we get these rookies signed the better I will feel. Just a little over 2 weeks left before TC. :)
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Looks like Ingram kinda got boned on his signing bonus. Unless QB's still rate higher than other positions in the 5th round too?
 
If Dunta holds out of camp and has a sub-par year he is only hurting the value of his next contract so I'm really not all that worried about him. He's gonna want to have a pro bowl season so that he can land a massive contract. I'm not worried about anyone else and I'm set to defrost in a few weeks.
 
Vinny said:
If Dunta holds out of camp and has a sub-par year he is only hurting the value of his next contract so I'm really not all that worried about him. He's gonna want to have a pro bowl season so that he can land a massive contract. I'm not worried about anyone else and I'm set to defrost in a few weeks.
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I imagine defrosting shan't be a problem at the first camp practice.

As I posted in the Dunta thread, I agree with you. IMO, Dunta really has no choice but to go to camp and play this season better than ever and the Texans are going to reap the benefits.
 
Not worried anytime soon. I expect they'll start rolling in the week before TC. Weird to see Casey unsigned with others around him signed but it's not like Smith has been sitting on his hands this offseason.

Kevin Walter-must resign as long as the money isn't crazy. K dub doesn't seem to be the self-first type so I doubt he comes out asking for big bucks.
Chester Pitts-must resign for almost any price. Original Texan.
Rashod Butler-I'd like to see him resigned. He's been good enough to stick around anyway
Tim Bulman-I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a little money elsewhere but I'd like to see him in Texans gear for a while
Travis Johnson-cut
Mike Briesel-hmmmm....playing for a job this year?
Matt Turk-Honestly, I can't believe he's not already retired
Nick Ferguson-He's done his part as a stop-gap player. Hopefully his service won't be needed
Deljuan Robinson-I'd resign him
 
TimeKiller said:
Not worried anytime soon. I expect they'll start rolling in the week before TC. Weird to see Casey unsigned with others around him signed but it's not like Smith has been sitting on his hands this offseason.
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I'm sure his agent keeps reminding the team that they claim to have rated him as a 2nd round talent. :pirate:
 
Vinny said:
I'm sure his agent keeps reminding the team that they claim to have rated him as a 2nd round talent. :pirate:
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And we will keep reminding them that he wasn't selected in the 2nd round. We took a gamble that he would be there in the 5th because we didn't want to pay 2nd round money if we could get him in the 5th and we were correct.
 
I have been tracking the rookie signings since Kubiak joined the Texans and we seem right on track. As pointed out most guys do not sign until the week of camp.

Rookie Signing Dates

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
Glover Quinn (4a)
James Casey (5)
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams
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I still love seeing that april 28th signing. I was so glad that he was signed before the draft. Nice info. Thanks.
 
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painekiller said:
2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
July 16 Glover Quinn (4a)
James Casey (5)
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams
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2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
Antoine Caldwell(3)
James Casey (5)
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain



I find it interesting that the two 4th rounders signed before the 5th rounder Casey.
 
I read somewhere that the players actually report to Reliant on the 26th. Can anyone back me up on this? I wonder if this suggests that we can expect to see some signings in the next two days?
 
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2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
July 24 (3) Antoine Caldwell
July 24 (5) James Casey
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams
 
awtysst said:
Starting to get a little nervous. Its the 23rd and no news on Cush, Barwin, or Caldwell.
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I look for those to get done by Friday. After Friday you can start to worry a little.


edit: I did not see where Casey and Caldwell signed, so there you go. Cush and Connor will get done by Friday.
 
Speedy said:
I look for those to get done by Friday. After Friday you can start to worry a little.


edit: I did not see where Casey and Caldwell signed, so there you go. Cush and Connor will get done by Friday.
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Well, I was worried when I thought Training Camp started on July 26. Now that I realize it starts on July 31st, I feel better. Still, I would love to get Cush and Barwin in early.
 
painekiller said:
Updated:

2009 Season
July 31 First Practice Day
Brian Cushing (1)
Connor Barwin (2)
July 24 (3) Antoine Caldwell
July 24 (5) James Casey
July 17 (4a) Glover Quinn
June 17, (4b) Anthony Hill
June 11, (7) Troy Nolan
June 8 (6) Brice McCain


2008 Season
July 25 First Practice Day
July 25 (1)Duane Brown
July 21 (3)Antwaun Molden
July 21 (3)Steve Slaton
July 21 (5)Frank Okam
July 16 (4)Xavier Adibi
June 26 (7)Alex Brink
June 19 (6)Dominique Barber

2007 Season
July 27 First Practice Day
July 27 (1)Amobi Okoye
July 26 (4)Fred Bennett
July 26 (5)Brandon Frye
July 24 (3)Jacoby Jones
July 23 (5)Brandon Harrison
July 23 (6)Kasey Studdard
July 19 (7)Zac Diles

2006 Season
July 28 First Practice Day
July 23 (3)Charles Spencer
July 23 (3)Eric Winston
July 13 (6)Wali Lundy
July 13 (7)David Anderson
July 12 (4)Owen Daniels
July 07 (2)DeMeco Ryans
April 28 (1)Mario Williams
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Rep your way!

Thanks for posting this. It's cool to look back and see the signing dates.
 
GP said:
Rep your way!

Thanks for posting this. It's cool to look back and see the signing dates.
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thank you.

I started this last season when this same thread only different started. I wanted to see if we where late or not. When you start to notice that most players sign within 7 days of camp opening, you start to relax. It's just such a long off season with nothing happening for so long.
 
1st round picks are usually the last to sign, why, because the agents do not want to be seen as leaving any money on the table. Only 3 guys have sign from the 1st round so the agents still cannot slot their clients properly.

this was posted 20 hours ago on the NFL.com

Signing status of 2009 NFL Draft first-round picks
NFL.com


Pk Player Pos. Team Status Contract
1. Matthew Stafford QB Detroit Signed 6 years, $72 million ($41.7M guaranteed)
2. Jason Smith OT St. Louis Unsigned
3. Tyson Jackson DE Kansas City Unsigned
4. Aaron Curry LB Seattle Unsigned
5. Mark Sanchez QB N.Y. Jets Signed 5 years, $60 million ($28M guaranteed)
6. Andre Smith OT Cincinnati Unsigned
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Oakland Unsigned
8. Eugene Monroe OT Jacksonville Unsigned
9. B.J. Raji DT Green Bay Unsigned
10. Michael Crabtree WR San Francisco Unsigned
11. Aaron Maybin DE Buffalo Unsigned
12. Knowshon Moreno RB Denver Unsigned
13. Brian Orakpo DE Washington Unsigned
14. Malcolm Jenkins CB New Orleans Unsigned
15. Brian Cushing LB Houston Unsigned
16. Larry English DE San Diego Unsigned
17. Josh Freeman QB Tampa Bay Unsigned
18. Robert Ayers LB Denver Unsigned
19. Jeremy Maclin WR Philadelphia Unsigned
20. Brandon Pettigrew TE Detroit Unsigned
21. Alex Mack C Cleveland Signed Terms undisclosed
22. Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Unsigned
23. Michael Oher OT Baltimore Unsigned
24. Peria Jerry DT Atlanta Unsigned
25. Vontae Davis CB Miami Unsigned
26. Clay Matthews LB Green Bay Unsigned
27. Donald Brown RB Indianapolis Unsigned
28. Eric Wood C Buffalo Unsigned
29. Hakeem Nicks WR N.Y. Giants Unsigned
30. Kenny Britt WR Tennessee Unsigned
31. Chris "Beanie" Wells RB Arizona Unsigned
32. Evander "Ziggy" Hood DT Pittsburgh Unsigned
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It's no wonder that Cush hasn't been signed...............only four 1st rounders have been signed..........only two ahead of him (one being the immediate signing of #1 pick QB Stafford, the other almost immediate signing #5 pick QB Sanchez). Everyone seems to be waiting for the picks ahead of them to establish value (QBs don't help much as they are essentially in a class of their own).
 
Well Lady's and Gent's, I'm not sure we've ever gone down to the wire with 2 yet to sign. We have 24 hours to get both Barwin and Cushing signed on the dotted line. Personally, I think we might have our first late signing. Especially with how slow things have gone around the league. If we do get them signed before 8:30 tomorrow morning, I'd be extremely impressed.

If we're able to get Barwin signed sometime early today we might have a chance, but the Texans have a tough task ahead of them if they want to keep their perfect record for getting rooks to camp on time.

*crosses fingers*
 
HOU-TEX said:
Well Lady's and Gent's, I'm not sure we've ever gone down to the wire with 2 yet to sign. We have 24 hours to get both Barwin and Cushing signed on the dotted line. Personally, I think we might have our first late signing. Especially with how slow things have gone around the league. If we do get them signed before 8:30 tomorrow morning, I'd be extremely impressed.

If we're able to get Barwin signed sometime early today we might have a chance, but the Texans have a tough task ahead of them if they want to keep their perfect record for getting rooks to camp on time.

*crosses fingers*
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Agreed. I can see Barwin signed or at least agreed to today, but Cushing's agents are not going to want to be the 1st to fall and appear to leave money on the table.
 
Missing time at TC has got to hurt Barwin more than Cushing. I think Barwin missed all of the OTA's due to his late graduation, so missing time at TC wouldn't be good. Let's hope they get him signed today!
 
Insideop said:
Missing time at TC has got to hurt Barwin more than Cushing. I think Barwin missed all of the OTA's due to his late graduation, so missing time at TC wouldn't be good. Let's hope they get him signed today!
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He was able to attend the 3 day mandatory mini-camp, but your point is still very valid. He does need to be there in a major way. Not just due to the OTA's he missed either. He has a lot to learn about the DE position itself due to only having 1 year of experience.

It'd be nice to see both of them strolling out on the field in the morning, but my hope for that is beginning to dim. :cry2:
 
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